Keep a watch out for Free Republic to implode

[Must_B_Free]

It's already starting:

Edit: updated link
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1140610/posts


Nothing left but to face up to the music.

The one that gets them is that the US admits that they were misled by Chalabi. Bush/Cheney let almost 800 troops die because they bought faulty intelligence. Even a Freeper can't wave a flag over this behaviour.

They are trying to cover up Abu Ghraib.
Berg killing involved more than they are saying.
Bush is completely incompetent.
The war is a utter failure that we tried to stop.
Bush led the US into Nazi status.

Freepers will take care of the business that needs to be done- in that I trust in them.

My guess is they pay back Rim Job in full for leading the deception.

To the lurkers - it's time to ask yourselves: Is the continuance of the illusion that you were "right" more important than the lives of our sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and comrads.

[Lisa0825]

1. It says 'thread moved'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1140610/posts

[EDT]

3. I don't venture over there much- their User interface is so horrible-

I would have thought by now they'd improve it, but it's woefully clunky compared to any other site, Repub or Dem, that I visit.

[keithyboy]

53. I'll visit just to re-post. Keep posting it on Freeper sites. They will

eventually really get it, even if they don't admit it.

[Erika]

2. How Amusing

Smiles

[liberalhistorian]

4. OMG!

"Nobody cares" says one poster (about Chalabi and the fact that we went to war based on the word of a liar and a traitor). So the deaths of 780 Americans for a blatant lie doesn't really matter then, huh?

"Vote for Kerry if you want", says another Einstein. Then one idiot brings up the "tons and tons of links between Iraq and Al-Quada" bullshit, which is just that, bullshit. God, can you just imagine their reaction if this were happening under Clinton?

[Sparkly]

5. "Just shuddup and stick with the program"

What else can they say to each other?

[Must_B_Free]

6. Most of them have no honour.

They want our people to keep dying to extend the illusion that this war was somehow just.

Saddam did in fact provide Freedom of a sort - probably the most significant step in the Arab world - Freedom of Religion - Sunni, Shiite, Christian.

We killed that baby for taking baby steps.

[liberalhistorian]

13. I'm sorry, I have to respectfully

disagree here. Saddam was a complete and total sociopathic monster dictator who murdered tens of thousands of his own people and had no qualms at all about doing it. Iraq really is better off without him.

[Egalitarian Zetetic]

16. No they were better under sadaam the country is in more or less

anarchy. I am not pro sadaam, but we are on track to kill more than he ever did. Remember saddam did wonderful things his first years in power. In fact we are on track to murder more than he ever did

[Must_B_Free]

17. murdered tens of thousands of his own people

WE just murdered tens of thousands of his own people.

better off?

with their secular government destroyed? Religious factions battling for theocracy, so they can slaughter the other populace

better off?

prove it.

The sanctions were about to be lifted. He apparently had no WMD program. He was going to take them and their formidible natural resources into the first world. They were a threat of being successful.

[liberalhistorian]

20. You people live in a dream world if you think

Saddam was anything less than a murdering inhuman dictator whose people lived in total and complete fear of him and who suffered horribly under his rule. Romanticizing such a sociopathic worm does no good at all for our side.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Just like those who lived unde the following

favorites and not so favorite Dictators:

Mussolini
Stalin
Hitler
Pinochet
Somoza
The Generals in Argentina (dirty war)

And I could go on

The only possitive thing that can be said about this particular monster is that he was a good student of Stalin, but far from reaching the levels of control that his hero did, (Stalin). There were no Gulags in Iraq, but he was no boy scout... though he was no Hitler or Stalin either, but only in a matter of degree.

That said, some people go for extremes... and though he did do some good things (the same can be said about Stalin who dragged Rural russia and dragged it kicking and screaming into the 20th century), he was still a brutal dictator.

History will have to mention the secular state that this boy ran, but it will also have to mention the supression of religious rights for the Shiite.

But you and I know it is not purely black or white, but many shades of gray... and in the case of this boy, shades of dark gray.

[Must_B_Free]

23. yeah, Nadine, I guess it was "throwing babys out of incubators"

that really got you.

The flaw of your argument is that CULTURE ITSELF in the third world is brutal. Saddam was just a part of it. Look at how women are treated in India - is that Saddam's fault too?

So lets ignore that miracle of a secular state in the arab world, where even Christians lived side by side with Muslims, because it was produced by a dictator.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. You seem to be having a problem today

So the miracle of the USSR was also a miracle.

Tsarist Russia was brought forth from an almost serf society
to a modern society, it only cost 40 million lives. (Oh and lets not forget Peter the Great who also modernized Russia close to four hunred years ago at what has been calculated 10 million lives, including those of 20K Swedes)

I guess you have no problem with this...

By the way... don't presume to lecture me about life in the third
world... I think I know a couple things about the third world, in the flesh that you have only read in books... by the way that nice very broad brush you are using to pain the third world is quite nice...

By the way, please explain to the class exactly why OUR war crimes are so serious in Arab Culture and exactly where decapitation enters in the order of things insofar as Arab Culture is concerned....

We are waiting.

[Eloriel]

28. Ain't nobody doin' any romanticizing

except you -- you're romanticizing the mess Iraq is in now as something of an improvement.

Just watch. We're going to pull out sooner rather than later because Bush (and Blair) now understands how disastrous this whole thing is in terms of his re-election status. And then you'll see either COMPLETE chaos in Iraq, or another (probably brutal) dictator arise to pull the whole thing together again.

No, no one's romanticizing Saddam. But we're also not romanticizng what an unmanageable, ungovernable, majorly unfixable, and totally heartbreaking mess things are for most everyday Iraqis.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Nobody, not even Liberal Historian is romantizing the

mess in Iraq.

He just pointed out, and this is well documented, that Sadamn was no
boy scout... and he was a student of Joseph Stalin. Indeed his regime was modelled after the heaven that was 1950s Stalinist Russia, wiht shades of that other heaven 1930s Stalinist Russia.

His methods of control were brutal

That said, this war is an ilegal war under International Law, and has opened a can of worms that ANY who truly understands the ME knew would be opened.

That of course was not Mr. Wolfowitz, Perle or Company.

But saying that things were honky dori for the Iraqis under Sadamn is also wrong, as they were not.

As usual life is not black and white, but many, indeed multiple shades of gray.

I will say this now, those of us WHO DO STUDY history, understand this...

[markses]

36. Actually, no

He certainly pointed out that Saddam was no Boyscout (I'm not sure if anyone had argued that HE WAS a Boyscout, but I don't think so). The problem was at another level:

Are the Iraqi people better off today?

I would answer yes, but only on the basis of potential. They have an increased potential for some kind of self-determined system that is no despotic. Materially, however, I think that many, if not most, Iraqis quality of life is much worse off today than it was one, two or three years ago. Much worse.

Moreover, however much we'd like to imagine the US State Project as humanitarian, there is little doubt that the US War Machine has murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis in the past year+2 months, and with little fanfare or regret. It doesn't matter if Saddam could have or would have killed more, or that we might have killed more. This is what we (and, as a representative democracy I must say WE: You and I are no less guilty of these murders than anyone else) have done. We can say "Saddam bad" until the end of time; it will not account for or justify these murders.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. You have no argument from me

as to what we have done.

But I guess I can keep his crimes and ours separate, as they indeed should.

I also will say this...

We have sown winds

We will reap a maelstrom,

And it is a maelstrom that most of us cannot even imagine...

[shanti]

32. "you people"?

do you know how patronizing that sounds?

apparently not.

[linazelle]

48. It's so easy to sidetrack the issue from Bush's lies to Saddam aka

the Boogeyman. The facts are that Bush and Saddam are equals--if Bush isn't worse. Those who support Bush's murders, corruption and lies are no better than the Saddam "supporters".

[markses]

33. This is true

It is also true that we have murdered tens of thousands of Iraqi people. If we count the amoral sanctions regime, perhaps closer to a million.

Does it feel any better that we have our "qualms"?

[Hamlette]

38. Iraq is better off without Saddam?

The jury is still out on that one.

You also need to ask: Is American better off for having invaded Iraq? It's not just about the 800 dead Americans or the money. It's about the loss of respect all over the world, even here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. The jury for Iraq is definitely still out

a civil war may happen or not, et al

The jury for us is definitely in... we are NOT BETTER OFF...

But keeping these things a tad separate will help in coming years.

Yes even though they are tied very closely, it is important to do this... to see the effects on US, and THEM.

[Andy_Stephenson]

54. "Iraq really is better off without him."

As evidenced by the kinder gentler torture going on there now. :eyes:

[Arkana]

34. The "tons and tons of links between Iraq and al Qaeda?"

Boy, that's a new height of moranism. What links? There are no links! These links are nonexistent! Unless of course they're referring to the links that they don't have and that don't exist...

[Cooley Hurd]

52. The only links I saw were...

...all back to FR (with the exception of a few National Review and CNN links, but only a few).

Pretty lame attempt on their part... :eyes:

[iamjoy]

7. Freepers Are Just Mean

I know DUers have their disagreements, but we do try not to call each other nasty names. Doesn't seem Freepers have those scruples. There is an honest, Conservative basis to oppose this war - Pat Buchanan has expressed it well. What a bizarre state of affiars it is when Pat Buchanan is the voice of reason from the right.

The person who posted this has been banned or suspended from Free Republic.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. One freeper does not implosion make

Sorry, but they are still behind the Fascist in Chief and will be
until the end of days... which in the view of many of them are now

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[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Whatever, as I said

one person does not an implosion make

It is a good sign, but an implosion does not make.

[Must_B_Free]

25. exactly,

Whatever :crazy:

[nightperson]

10. Looks like poster 6

has been drinking some coffee :crazy:. What a spray of unclickable links. I would go to that site more for laughs but it really is hard on the eyes :cry: . On edit: O.K., I'll give him credit, he just made them clickable.

[Must_B_Free]

11. Going down in a barrage of machine gun fire

as if links can save him.

Time for FR to face the music.

[liberalhistorian]

15. Sorry, but, as frustrating as it is, that's

never gonna happen. The person who posted that thread has been banned or suspended and, as you'll note, he didn't get ONE SINGLE positive response.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Correct

Glad somebody else noticed what I did... he was shit upon...

[Alerter_]

22. FR was purged twice in the last few years

They have never recovered from their glory days because they ideologically censored away a few of their major groups.

FR is nothing now, they are a smaller cult then ever before.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. And will keep getting smaler, but this is not

an implosion yet.

I will know somethig serious in the gestalt of that particular group is really happening when I see it not only in FR but in places like AOL, htat are NOT controlled by the ideologues.

I have not seen that there yet...

Trust me I monitor the news groups regularly and if anything they are becoming more rabid... far more rabid.

These days they are even justifyng ... torture.

[hexola]

29. No the exact opposite...

I will know somethig serious in the gestalt of that particular group is really happening when I see it not only in FR but in places like AOL, htat are NOT controlled by the ideologues.

When you see it in the places that are controlled by idealogues(like FR)...you know they are done...

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Ok lets clarify this

when you see it at places that were not controlled from
word go, which FR was...

And I have yet to see that

Now here is a piece of evidence that may suport the case... (indeed I think we are at the end game stage, but has nothing to do with FR)

When McCain said the other day that accidents may happen... to make them change their opinion, that is when you know something serious is going on.

But Freepers have been controlled from word go... like good little fascists.

That McCain Statemetn, and Hastert accusing McCain of not knowing what real sacrifice in war is... well that is the kind of evidence you need to know that we are fast aproaching end game.

;-)

[hexola]

37. places like AOL? What does that mean...

AOL is an ISP? I cant follow that...

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Yes Ameirca on Line

it has a wonderful set (NOT) of political message boards...

I read them on a regular basis... hell I confront the jack booted thugs from time to time

[hexola]

44. The AOL boards are not moderated?

Hmmm...I find that hard to believe...but I have never used them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Some are most are not

That is why they are as bad or worst than Free Republic...

And the moderated ones have a right of right of center (to put it mildly) leaning

[Alerter_]

40. I have noticed the increase in rabidness

Openly calling for nuking cities, openly calling for torture, KKK-level rhetoric against all Arabs - but that's on the internet. I think their base has fallen away. American conservatives haven't supported what's been happening the last few years, and the libertarians types are appalled. This Fundie Alliance of Christian Reconstructionists and Zionist Likudniks is starting to fray. Nobody expected torture, rape, sodomy, and porn to be the new front in the "intelligence war". The religious freaks really came out of the closet for everyone to see.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Scarily I confronted one Moran

recently who was paraphrasing Savage...

And yes the rabidness has gone up

Now that may be a sign that a general change in the gestalt is happening... ever so slowly, as the rabids generally speaking, get
far more rabid right before the fall. Ah a far better sign than whatever happens at Free Republic, which has been under tight control from the word go.

Remember there are still some Nixon Republicans out there and I expect Bushistas to hang on to the last days of their lives. Not all mind you, but some will.

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[Catherine Vincent]

35. I doubt if anyone here cares about those idiots at Freerepubic.

I sure don't....

[markses]

39. I love the "links in support"

The majority are from free republic itself, plus a few scattered from the Wall Street Journal Fascist Editors and the Weekly Standard. All unproven conjecture, in any case. Laughable.

[Must_B_Free]

47. Goin' Down in a blaze of Glory

[forgethell]

49. You may have noticed

the poster has been banned. They won't implode because they are focused, and get rid of disruptors far more efficiently than we do on DU, where people are given the benefit of the doubt, at least for a while.

[Deja Q]

50. One freeper said how Saddam knew that 9/11 would happen.

Well, we all know Bush did. LIHOP was confirmed months ago. MIHOP is not out of the question either.

With so much emphasis on Saddam, why the Freedom is nobody questioning Bush, apart from the poster of that thread, of which he is getting undeservedly crucified for?

Another esponder said "Hey Peaceniks where were you for 12 years?" More to the point, why were Reagan, Rumsfeld, and the gang FRIENDS with these people we now hate? Simple. We know they're bastards, but we felt we'd get a short term advantage because they were fighting those awful Commies at the time. :eyes: x(

I swear, America gets scared of even its own shadow!!

[doni_georgia]

51. Watched Mississippi Burning last night, Gene Hackman line

he said, "Rattlesnakes don't commit suicide." But later when the klansmen started getting nervous and making mistakes, he replied, "Looks like the rattlesnakes are starting to commit suicide." Heard someone on one of the talking heads shows last weekend say that Kerry just needs to keep quiet, because when your opponent is doing such a good job shooting himself in the foot, you just need to stay out of the way. That's what we have here guys.

This administration could only exist with the secrecy and deception that has been its trade mark. Insiders know that there is much more than the public can even dream up. The thread of lies that has held this regime together is starting to unravel. Spin is coming in from every direction, but the problem with lies and spin is, if everyone isn't on the same page, mistakes will be made. They are. It's why Bush can't answer simple questions. There are no simple questions when the foundation of everything you believe in is a lie. One wrong word could cause the entire structure to tumble.