Help, I'm arguing with a repub!!

[Momof1]

His first argument was easy to dispose of. (AAR is bankrupt & only has 2 stations left)

This is what I need help with:

"Also, heard on CNN that Bush and Kerry both are trying to distance themselves from the extremists of their parties. Kerry is trying to dump the "far left" liberals and Bush is trying to dump the "far right" conservatives. The report explained that most typical liberals and conservatives are pretty close on national defense issues----and that approx. 28% of the population is liberal, and approx 34% are conservative, while approx 36% consider themselves independent voters. The remaining percentage consists of the relatively small group of "far left" and "far right" crazies. The independents are mostly sickened by the extremists, and thus Kerry and Bush are trying to push the extremists away, which is why both Kerry and Bush are being attacked by their own extremists. "

And I also need help with this, I looked through the Latest Breaking News thread and couldn't find this:

"The New York Times is reporting that Kadaffi has turned over thousands of documents that show that Saddam had sent several hundred nuclear scientists to a secret military base in Lybia to build an Atomic Bomb, and that this is how he was hiding his nuclear weapons program from The U.N. What he kept in Iraq was a primitive program that appeared several years from having a working weapon. The Times is also reporting that Saddam and Kadaffi were using Iran as a direct link to terrorists groups who wanted the weapons for use against the West. North Korea is also involved..........This is a frightening situation. We suspected Kadaffi was working on a bomb, and now that he's turned all of his info over and opened his borders to our inspectors we are finding that he was very close to a bomb and Saddam was working with him. The horrible part is the terrorist connection. Where did all of the uranium go? "

Any help would be appreciated.

[physioex]

1. For onething...

an unlikely source right now...

www.newsmax.com

[NMDemDist2]

2. re your first point

"Also, heard on CNN that Bush and Kerry both are trying to distance themselves from the extremists of their parties. Kerry is trying to dump the "far left" liberals and Bush is trying to dump the "far right" conservatives. The report explained that most typical liberals and conservatives are pretty close on national defense issues----and that approx. 28% of the population is liberal, and approx 34% are conservative, while approx 36% consider themselves independent voters. The remaining percentage consists of the relatively small group of "far left" and "far right" crazies. The independents are mostly sickened by the extremists, and thus Kerry and Bush are trying to push the extremists away, which is why both Kerry and Bush are being attacked by their own extremists. "


this is true in any general election, both candidates run to middle for the "independant" voters. Not sure I'd buy those numbers on the breakdown of liberal vs conservative tho

[blackmoonlillith]

3. Where did he get that information from? NewsMax?

Sometimes I think these guys just make shit up. Still Kaddafi is an unreliable source.

[Momof1]

4. I know...

He is usually a pretty "normal" person, but those numbers don't look right at all. He is pretty irritated with me since I sent him this article.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uschal0522,0,340595.story?coll=ny-top-span-headlines

I really don't believe any of this, but I just now got on the computer, so I have no idea what is going on today.

[Wapsie B]

11. They all seem pretty normal

until you get too close to the truth for their comfort level. They aren't ready to have their belief systems challenged.

[never cry wolf]

5. I found a times article

About N. Korea supplying uranium to Libya and Libya working with the Kahn network to build centrifuges. That's the Kahn of Pakistan, our supposed ally. Nary a mention of Iraq and Sadaam. BTW: Iran would NEVER have anything to do with giving Sadaam the bomb, they had a 10 year war, remember!

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/international/asia/23NUKE.html

[Momof1]

6. Wow,

Thanks, he is usually pretty normal. He said he got all the stuff off of CNN, he is usually a pretty level headed person, unless he is drinking the kool-aid today.

[SnohoDem]

7. Well, he's the one making assertions,

so politely ask for cites or links. Particularly about the Iraq-Libya link. If NYT is reporting it, he should have a link. I couldn't find anything but the North Korea link mentioned in another post in this thread.

Politicians usually run to the center in the general election. So what?
(I would ignore the 28%, 34%, 36% data unless he provides a good source - and Bill Schneider at CNN is not a very good source)

My $.02, and worth about that much.

[kaitykaity]

8. Bush can't run from the extremists. He is one.

He throws red meat culture war stuff to his base all the
time, i.e., a constitutional amendment to ban homosexual
marriage.

I'd hardly call that running away.

[Momof1]

9. I think he means in the coming weeks

Bush will get away from the far right, but he is far right so I don't think he is going to fool anyone. I think he is reading the headlines today and getting worried. And he knew that I would argue with him.

[kaitykaity]

10. The media is getting wise to Rove's PR stunts.

They don't seem to have the same impact that they
used to. So Bush doesn't have that level of protection.
If Bush were to try to run away from the extreme way
he has governed, he would need for Rove's PR stunts to
be effective, and I just don't see that happening.

Wait and see how the media receive the first of the six
Iraq speeches Bush will be making--if they give him
free air time, like a State of the Union, or if only the
cable channels play it.

That will be a good indication of how successful Bush
will be at running away from his record.

[Warren Stuart]

15. Bush has painted himself into a corner

It was Nixon who said "Run to the extremes during the primaries, run to the center during the election" or words to that effect. Nixon was a lot more gifted that Bush, he left himself running room.

Bush don't have much room to maneuver, he has so closely aligned himself with the Christian Fundamentalists, that any departure will cost him bigtime. Plus he goes to Bible study prayer meeting on a daily basis (or so I've been led to believe). At first I thought this was a stunt, then I realized that this is one place where he can get unconditional adoration.

He's surrounded by people who think he is has been chosen by God, you think this might warp one's perspective on things? He certainly isn't going to abandon his corporate pals either. So I don't quite know where Bush can go.

The compassionate conservative routine isn't going to work a second time, plus there is no middle in the Republican party. Most of what used to be moderate Republicans are now Democrats. Bush has few moderate Republicans he can campaign with.

[Momof1]

12. Thank you everyone !!!

I love this Website :)

[Jim__]

13. He needs a citation for the NYTimes article

There may be an article. I am sure it doesn't say what he claims it does - that would have been all over the news. Any connection between Saddam and terrorists would be trumpeted by the bushies - I haven't heard this.

Often when someone on the right tells me an article made some claim, and then I read the article, I find their claim to be nonsense. My bet is that this is the case here.

[Momof1]

14. I have been trying to register for the NYT's

for the last 2 hours, and I am having a problem with it. I was hoping that I could get some help here. You are right though, everyone else would be all over it. I read the Lastest breaking news thread and didn't see anything on it. Just thought I might of missed something

[kaitykaity]

16. I make mine send me a link for everything he

sends me, and if it's from one of his wacknut sites,
(he luves NewsMax and Fox News) I don't even bother
reading it, and I tell him so.

I'm really enjoying being able to send him negative
quotes about Bush from his fellow Republicans. That has
been a real kick in the *ss.

:evilgrin:

[Charlie Brown]

17. I think Kadaffi

Is telling the UN/US what he thinks they want to hear. Since chumming up with Bush, he's gotten sanctions lifted and gotten readmitted to the Intel community. Saddam probably had all sorts of insignificant alliances with governments unfriendly to the U. S. If an Iraqi scientist even once visited Libya, I'm sure some would like us to believe it was to construct a nuclear arsenal that could hit the East Coast in 10 minutes. Now that Kadaffi is our "friend" again, he wants to push the limit and take all he can get.

[doni_georgia]

18. Good point

...and welcome to DU, "Chuck."
:)

Mac in Ga (Doni's other half)