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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:13 PM Original message |
Poll question: OK, weird...I'm getting clobbered by my readers, so take this poll. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Gullible Neo-Cons? |
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DrBB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. The neocons' relationship with Chalabi DATES from that period |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. The Neo-Con Godfather, Leo Strauss |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
87. Also See This Month's Harper's |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
62. Well Said, Doctor |
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psychopomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 04:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
117. And also you, Mr. M |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
132. My View Matches That of DrBB and The Magistrate, Will |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm not sure |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. You left out "both" |
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Eye and Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. I agree, it's both. They got suckered. It'll be recast as an opportunity. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think it's real, and I don't see how it leads to an invasion |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I agree |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
130. It's Real |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Too many moving parts |
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NV Whino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yep |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. I really hadn't considered the Iranian invasion angle before.... |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Neither. |
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mmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Pure set up |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Did you read Borger's article at the Guardian? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I don't buy it |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Have you read Parry and Andrew Cockburn yet? |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. Borger, Hersh and Pincus are all mouthpieces for Intelligence insiders. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. We seem to be witnessing a long-brooding civil war erupting |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
100. easy answer to your last question |
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Merlin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. It's a truly wonderful thought! |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
131. They Wouldn't |
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Momof1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm not sure |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. Not sure |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
16. will, don't worry, this story is gonna grow legs |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. Or....some of them believed him. For real. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
19. Is this Jeopardy? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Good point |
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Chicken George (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. Too many angles with the Chalabi situation |
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vetwife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Why is he not in jail instead of talk show hopping? |
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Chicken George (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Exactly... |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
22. Will, read back up on the PNAC'ers, this is all going according to plan. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. See post 15 |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Sorry, you are on it. Should have known. Sorry again. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. One might wonder why Chalabi would be a free man. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. You've got to read Robert Parry's article. |
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punpirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. One thing's for sure... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
26. A brilliant post I saved from Clark's blog on this: |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Yep. Iran played * like a fiddle. We've been had. |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
29. Well, here's a question: |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Because the CIA hasn't given its proof to the Justice Dept.? |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Come on, Will...the CIA wasn't involved in this one...it was the DIA,.... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Um... |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 01:16 AM Response to Reply #41 |
110. It's true that the CIA had it's own horse in the race |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
133. If This Was Well Planned |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. But then... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. There is no doubt the CIA is gaming here |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. "I don't think the Bushies would allow this much egg on their faces... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Who has the authority to arrest him? |
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gbwarming (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Why even bother arresting him - just leave him hanging in Iraq |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Wouldn't they want to know what he knows, and wouldn't they... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. They know what he knows. |
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Goldmund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Isn't he in Iraq? |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. or Chalabi is just as much a dupe as Bush. eom |
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billybob537 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Humor me |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. "If you believe that BS you should be the first one sent in." |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Who has the authority to arrest him? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. i agree with you will |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. hope vs. fear |
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Steven_S (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
35. One thing's for sure.... |
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zydeco (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
43. Could someone please help me with this? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. *cough*Wolfowitz*coughcough*Perle*cough* |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. through the looking glass |
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Sperk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
45. This Administration is constantly trying to convince us that they |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
47. I admit, I was wondering if you had started shilling for the neo-cons |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. With whose army will they wage this Iran war? |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. good point... |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
70. The army they intend to conscript and build . . . |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
102. we're not going anywhere near Iran, we don't have the resources... |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #102 |
109. doubt it |
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Betty The Younger (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
53. Neither. Its to give the Bush* admin cover |
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dudeness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. welcome to DU Betty |
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Betty The Younger (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Thank you Dudeness! |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. welcome to DU |
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Betty The Younger (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Thank you Bpilgrim! |
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dudeness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. I agree with borg.. |
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Sporadicus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
56. At First I Suspected a Neocon Ploy |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Could another "terrorist attack" provide the "better pretense"? n/t |
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Sporadicus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. That's a 'Better Pretense,' Yes |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
58. All going along to PNAC, the DLC's & the PPI's plan... |
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SnohoDem (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
61. Things are changing too fast to keep up. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
67. Real deal. |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
71. I'm not sure. Who gave Chalabi highly valuable information and why? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. The neocons seem to be still behind him. |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Yes, I know some of them are still backing him. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. William Luti and Douglas Feith |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. and so i wonder what they gave him |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The OSP operated out of the DoD branch that handled all the Mideast |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
94. I can't imagine highly sensitive information would be lying around. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #77 |
98. how often did he visit? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Dig it |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. why would the neoCONs pick him knowing his ties? |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Chalabi said on TV the other day he's had an ongoing relationship |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. The person he met with recently - reportedly the head of Iranian Intel |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Since they shared an office, is this how he got the US information? |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. It isn't clear to me - that is one bit of speculatin (via |
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Kimber Scott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I told my husband last year, "Wait. They're going to figure out this |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I think the lack of arrests (and the siezure of documents and computers) |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Someone thought Chalabi was pal enough to be privvy to secrets. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #95 |
103. I missed one of those... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Check out Cockburn at the Guardian tomorrow, too. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
81. Not sure, but look at the cast of characters and their options |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
82. A lot of it smells very fishy |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
85. Real - and very convoluted - take a read at Laura Rozen's |
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kaitykaity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-04 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
86. It's Brier Rabbit. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
89. One major question is how Israel fits into the Chalabi saga |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:06 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Robert Parry at consortiumnews.com connects some of those dots. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. I've been wondering about that |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Iran is becoming more nationalistic and less Islam-minded |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
97. This story is the CIA and State taking down the neo-cons, and it is true |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 03:24 AM Response to Reply #97 |
114. Yep, the Neocons may be crafty, but someone played them back... |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
108. I believe it to be just another smokescreen for Prezdint Monkeynuts. |
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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
111. Sensitive Information |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
112. The weird have turned pro. And suicidal. |
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JSJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 03:16 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. pitt taken in by... |
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radfringe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
115. don't know who/what to believe |
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Fear (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
116. why a poll? |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
118. I'm positive that it is NOT to distance Chalabi from Bush |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
119. Don't know |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 04:57 AM Original message |
I think it is more about rewriting history and distancing the WH from Iran |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
120. I think it is more about rewriting history and distancing the WH from Iran |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
121. It's about Bush administration infighting |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
122. CIA |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
123. Slings and Arrows |
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TomNickell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
124. Chill, Will. Think Earthquakes. |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
125. Scott Ritter on Chalabi |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
126. When I heard about the leak of info to Iran, |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
127. I think it's just another in a long line of "blame him, not us" |
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grl2watch (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
128. "CIA Has Rock Solid Evidence" |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
129. Invading Iran would be practically and politically insane... |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
134. Don't falter Pitt. You are right. They are wrong. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
135. Not Sure BUT |
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Delano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
136. Neither. It's to shift blame for the WMD problem "He Tricked Us" |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
137. I think that if it were an invade-Iran ploy... |
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dutchdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
138. Irony? |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
139. I think that when the truth is known (whenever that may be) |
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gasperc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-04 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
140. Cite "Against all Enemies" the almost war with IRAN |
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