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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:47 AM
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c-span 7:45 hoot alert
Edited on Wed May-26-04 06:50 AM by GreatCaesarsGhost
laurie mylroie on again with her book "bush vs beltway"

last time she was on she was drunk or hung over. she couldn't even find the camera, she kept talking into the monitor and the host had to point out the camera to her.

edit corrected name spelling

ok she's on. she's had a makeover.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:51 AM
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1. DUs favorite drunk !
Should be good for a laugh!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:51 AM
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2. she still sounds like Daffy Duck to me
:eyes:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:51 AM
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3. That woman is definately on meds or something..
Edited on Wed May-26-04 07:05 AM by Kahuna
:crazy:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:52 AM
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4. I Was Just About To Post...Incredible
She comes right out of the box and says Iraq had WMDs and was involved in terrorism...the 2 MAJOR BFEE lies.

Just the fact I heard AEI in the intro was enough to know what to expect here.

Not sure if she's bagged...but damn she's sure one poor excuse for a human being.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:57 AM
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5. Trump in drag...
... with the most vacant stare I've seen in a long while....
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:59 AM
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6. That woman has mental problems
Nasty woman.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:00 AM
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7. C-Span 8:50 Laurie Mylroie: The Neocons' favorite conspiracy theorist.
(my comment: what is the problem with C-Span's selection of participants?)

Historians will be debating that question for years, but an important part of the reason has to do with someone you may well have never heard of: Laurie Mylroie. Mylroie has an impressive array of credentials that certify her as an expert on the Middle East, national security, and, above all, Iraq. She has held faculty positions at Harvard and the U.S. Naval War College and worked at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, as well as serving as an advisor on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign. During the 1980s, Mylroie was an apologist for Saddam's regime, but reversed her position upon his invasion of Kuwait in 1990, and, with the zeal of the academic spurned, became rabidly anti-Saddam. In the run up to the first Gulf War, Mylroie with New York Times reporter Judith Miller wrote Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf, a well-reviewed bestseller translated into more than a dozen languages.

Until this point, there was nothing controversial about Mylroie's career. This would change with the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, the first act of international terrorism within the United States, which would launch Mylroie on a quixotic quest to prove that Saddam's regime was the most important source of terrorism directed against this country. She laid out her case in Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War Against America, a book published by AEI in 2000 which makes it clear that Mylroie and the neocon hawks worked hand in glove to push her theory that Iraq was behind the '93 Trade Center bombing. Its acknowledgements fulsomely thanked John Bolton and the staff of AEI for their assistance, while Richard Perle glowingly blurbed the book as "splendid and wholly convincing." Lewis "Scooter" Libby, now Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, is thanked for his "generous and timely assistance." And it appears that Paul Wolfowitz himself was instrumental in the genesis of Study of Revenge: His then-wife is credited with having "fundamentally shaped the book," while of Wolfowitz, she says: "At critical times, he provided crucial support for a project that is inherently difficult."

None of which was out of the ordinary, except for this: Mylroie became enamored of her theory that Saddam was the mastermind of a vast anti-U.S. terrorist conspiracy in the face of virtually all evidence and expert opinion to the contrary. In what amounts to the discovery of a unified field theory of terrorism, Mylroie believes that Saddam was not only behind the '93 Trade Center attack, but also every anti-American terrorist incident of the past decade, from the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania to the leveling of the federal building in Oklahoma City to September 11 itself. She is, in short, a crackpot, which would not be significant if she were merely advising say, Lyndon LaRouche. But her neocon friends who went on to run the war in Iraq believed her theories, bringing her on as a consultant at the Pentagon, and they seem to continue to entertain her eccentric belief that Saddam is the fount of the entire shadow war against America.

snip...

Ideas do not appear out of nowhere, so how is it that key members of the Bush administration believed that Iraq had been so deeply involved in terrorism directed at U.S. targets for many years? For that we must turn to Mylroie's Study of Revenge, which posits that Iraq was behind the first Trade Center attack, a theory that is risible as hundreds of national security and law enforcement professionals combed through the evidence of the '93 bombing, certainly looking, amongst other things, for such a connection, and found no evidence. But Mylroie claims to have discovered something that everyone else missed: the mastermind of the plot, a man generally known by one of his many aliases, "Ramzi Yousef," was an Iraqi intelligence agent who some time after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 assumed the identity of a Pakistani named Abdul Basit whose family lived there. This was a deduction which she reached following an examination of Basit's passport records and her discovery that Yousef and Basit were four inches different in height. On this wafer-thin foundation she builds her case that Yousef must have therefore been an Iraqi agent given access to Basit's passport following the Iraq occupation. However, U.S. investigators say that "Yousef" and Basit are in fact one and the same person, and that the man Mylroie describes as an Iraqi agent is in fact a Pakistani with ties to al Qaeda.

Mylroie appears never to have absorbed the implications of Occam's Razor, the basic philosophical and scientific principle generally understood to be: "Of two competing theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred." In this case the simpler--and more accurate--explanation of Yousef/Basit's identity is that he was part of the al Qaeda network, not working for Baghdad. Indeed, an avalanche of evidence demonstrates that Yousef was part of the loosely knit al Qaeda organization, evidence that Mylroie does not consider as it would undermine all her suppositions.
more at link...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.bergen.html
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:03 AM
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10. I'm disappointed in CSPAN
for having her as a guest. They've lowered their standards. Now, she's blaming Clinton.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:10 AM
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13. Thank-You! Great Info
I've heard her on C-Span before...and knew she was an AEI lush, just wasn't sure of her background. I thank you.

Now I wonder if the C-Span Sweetie will ask about the Times/Post article claiming her friend, Miller, was used to spread lies in the run-up to the war.

Amazing how this regime is going full-out to make the lies stick...and the way to do that is lie even more and keep saying the old lies again as if they weren't lies in the first place. Is this playing outside of Freeperland? Or is this them holding on to the last shreads they have of their own evil policies?

BTW...it'd be great to have a resource here or handy where we can get the bios on the guests on these shows...especially the ones on C-SPAN, Faux, CNN & MessyNBC...where you can find out the truth about these "experts".

This lady is so spaced, NASA should name a galaxy after her.

BTW...was I reading right? Was she Wolfie's former squeeze???
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:46 AM
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21. Great Info - thanks!
We need a 4 paragraph backgrounder everytime some right wing hack coems on C-Span!

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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:09 PM
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30. Okay, I knew there would be a Mylroie thread but I didn't
have time to look for it this morning.

So here's what I thought before I finally got so revolted I had to change the channel:

The woman is seriously repellent, as well as weird. She looks and sounds to be borderline Down syndrome (and my apologies to those out there who may have Down syndrome children or relatives).

Of all her loony ramblings, one statement especially leapt out at me, but first a little background. I knew some of her history, so this isn't much of a surprise (except of course for the Clinton connection):

"Mylroie has an impressive array of credentials that certify her as an expert on the Middle East, national security, and, above all, Iraq. She has held faculty positions at Harvard and the U.S. Naval War College and worked at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, as well as serving as an adviser on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign."

Yah sure. Some expert. Did anyone else catch her mind-boggling statement that she had never heard of the Baluch until she started digging into the histories of Ramsi Yousef et al??

Okay, so technically the Baluch (or Balouch, or any one of several variations of the spelling of this tribal group) are Central Asian, not Middle Eastern. Baluchistan sprawls across Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan, none of which countries are technically "Middle Eastern." But still...

I've known about the Baluch for years, and not because I'm any expert on Middle Eastern/Central Asian politics, but because I COLLECT Oriental rugs and weavings (on a very, very small scale) and the Baluch are among my favorites--just below the Berber (Moroccan) Zemmour and the Turkman Tekke.

Like I said: some expert. Some weird, creepy, totally repellent woman.

God help us all.



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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:00 AM
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8. First time I've seen her
is she for real? Not only is what she is saying crazy, but she has a bad case of the Ann Coulter inappropriate giggling disease. Poor Susan. She mentions terrorists and death and Laurie giggles. She's goofy. Now, if she has a speech impediment, then I apologize. She's rambling now. All over the place. "Iraq really was involved in 9-11." Really? Please give us the details. She's a loon. She keeps saying "I could give you details, but it's too technical." Well, try, Laurie. Try. The callers are going to decimate this poor woman.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:38 AM
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27. the inappropriate giggling and mannerisms?
sign of a sociopath....
look no further than Bush for other examples.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:00 AM
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9. Current caller is giving her hell
Tells her she sounds like she should be on Fox News. Love this caller. Can't wait to hear her response.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:08 AM
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11. Blaming Clinton, blaming Clinton... she does sound drunk. If
they keep on showing her, she is the poster girl for not believing this crap. She is repulsive and inarticulate.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:09 AM
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12. Syrian intelligence!!!! Now I guess she is going after the Syrians!
She did not mention Iran...hmmm.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:11 AM
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14. Booze-hound Mylorie!
Alright!

How many morning drinks, today, Laurie?
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:12 AM
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15. This AEI nut is an example of why this country will never wake up.
Her position is that al-Qaeda "is not?" All she wants to do is to help Bush justify invading Iraq. Notice Syria is next on the list. People like her should not be allowed to speak in public!

She is trying to allow the Bush administration to have not just both ways, but always!!

Her job is to smear Clinton, justify Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:14 AM
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16. She is showing the stupid "proof" of Iraq/AlQaida link. The WH DID ASK HER
to find evidence of Iraq involvement with AlQaida.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:23 AM
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26. proof is a typed up sheet
yes, folks, not printed pages from a book, magazine, or newspaper. But something Laurie typed up (using Tabs!) before the show. Oh, yes, I believe her now.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:19 AM
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17. I'm Wondering if the Anti-Bush Callers Are Staged...
I assume the AEI, RNC and other Wingnut groups keep those Pro-Bunnypants lines going...when they are going (I loved it last weekend when someone said they called the Repugnican line and got on in three rings while the Dem line was always busy...LOL).

I couldn't help thinking that one of the "Democrat" callers...obviously sounding black, was a Wingnut plant. My reason. First, he sounded completely uniformed, despite having the basic facts down...and the fact that he sounded black...sending the codeword to the fellow Kool-Aid drinkers out there how bad non-whites are.

This lush needs any caller she can to make her look good as she's so far into the tank that reality is a terrible inconvenience.

That "chart" of hers was a joke...not questioned by the host as to where it came from and if it had been verified. Typical AEI whore.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:27 AM
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18. So Iraqi intelligence if far, far superior to ours?
If what she says is true...we need to be asking the Iraqis to train us and not the other way around.

Will somebady please call and put this woman in her place? I can't get through.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:31 AM
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19. Touting the old lie that we went to war based on UNSCOM intelligence.
So, Laurie, why didn't Hans Blix and the UNSCOM team sent to Iraq find anything? And further, why did the United States rush into war with Iraq even after the UNSCOM team said there were no weapons? And why did the man who knew best, Scott Ritter, deny every charge that the Administration lobbed at Iraq?

Also, you look pasty in short sleeves, and that shade of blue is really unattractive.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 07:32 AM
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20. The 'minority' who is not a minority.
Geeezh! If this last guy is anykind of a minority, I'll eat my computer.
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R3dD0g Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:02 AM
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22. I'd never seen her before this AM.
Heard of her and her crackpot theories, but never seen her live. Heard a lot of winger C-Span callers clamoring for her.

At first I just assumed she had a speech impediment then I thought some disease. But, I just can't escape the fact that she was drunk as Cooter Brown. At then end there I thought she might pass out on the desk.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:48 AM
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28. But, she did not slur her words - that's why I suspect drugs
:shrug:
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:07 AM
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23. is she related to Karen Hughes??
she sure looks like her and the speech pattern seem a tad alike.I saw her once before on C-Span and thought she was an idiot.......this time I turned it off........
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:43 AM
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24. I watched in my kitchen - at the other end of the house
from my computer. I couldn't believe it!!! I think she was high - not drunk or maybe just goofy. I wanted to call in and ask if she was on the same stuff as Rush. I watched the entire thing and it seemed that they were not taking DEM calls.

I watched the next woman (Dr. Helen) and she was terrific - scarey, but very well versed.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:53 AM
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25. she did say one interesting thing: it's just like believing in ghosts
or witches to believe in the 18,000 AlQaeda agents supposedly threatening us. !

Gotta say, she was extremely incoherent and scary.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:28 PM
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29. I knew I would find a thread somewhere about this woman.
I have heard her before on cspan, one of the callers accused her of being drunk! I kinda felt sorry for her after that but it's something about her that when she speaks, she makes my skin crawl! This is her second time on WJ and that David Miniter was on twice also. Why won't Richard Clarke show up and take questions from the callers? I wish he would.
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