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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:04 PM
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Moore interviewed Berg for "Fahrenheit"
if you don't want to view the ad to read the entire article, let me know and I'll email it to you.

The murdered American hostage had given an interview for the documentary, but it is not included in the final version.

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By Rebecca Traister

May 27, 2004 |

Filmmaker Michael Moore filmed an interview with American Nicholas Berg in the course of producing his documentary film "Fahrenheit 9/11," before Berg was taken hostage and killed in Iraq, Moore confirmed to Salon in a statement Thursday. The 20 minutes of footage does not appear in the final version of "Fahrenheit 911," according to the statement.

Word of the footage reached Salon through a source unaffiliated with Moore, or his film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," which is reported to feature stark images of U.S. civilians and soldiers grappling with conditions in war-torn Iraq, as well as examining the relationship between President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family. It received the Palme d'Or, the Cannes Film Festival's highest honor, on Saturday.

http://salon.com/ent/feature/2004/05/27/fahrenheit_911/index_np.html
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:10 PM
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1. I wonder if that's why our government killed Berg.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:11 PM
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2. So he ended up on the cutting room floor, eh?
I didn't just write that.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:14 PM
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4. I don't know if I should spank you
or laugh my ass off :D
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:55 PM
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13. I think Stick is the kind of guy
who would enjoy both.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:24 PM
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10. I hope the director didn't yell "Cut!" and run his finger across his
Edited on Thu May-27-04 03:25 PM by BringEmOn
throat.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:12 PM
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3. Hmmm...very interesting...
:tinfoilhat:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:16 PM
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5. Weird.....
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lucky777 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:16 PM
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6. Maybe Berg just didn't want to stick his neck out . . .
and appear in the film.

Sorry about that.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:19 PM
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7. Just a tad bit tasteless... n/t
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:21 PM
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9. I have to say,
that I'm always in favor of a joke that has to have an apology right after it. :spank:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:19 PM
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8. Mon dieu that Berg chap sure got around
Republican conventions,Oklahoma city, sharing passwords with terrorists, making it into Michael Moore movies...next we'll hear he's connected to Chalabi somehow.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:49 PM
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11. Chalabi? Almost...
...a firm he'd started with an Iraqi exile connected with Chalabi...does that count?
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:40 PM
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20. do you have a link to that story?
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:53 PM
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12. The Berg Chap
yes, he DID get around, didn't he?
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:02 PM
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14. This is scary to me, tell you why !
Edited on Thu May-27-04 04:27 PM by vetwife
They being the neocons and criminals of this government could hold up that film forever or discount it as saying Moore is a terrorist. They had quesitoned whether Berg was and leaving it out of the film was not a good idea. They will find a reason to take Moore down.
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:19 PM
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15. Wingnuts argue "Moore is a terorist" from this? You think?
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:23 PM
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16. Berg seems to be like that character in Woody Allens movie
Zelig -the one where he is in everything.

I hate Allen he is a sick pervert - (I had to say that to make me feel better about mentioning him)

Or how about Forrest Gump
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:26 PM
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17. Now see ..I had not read that and already they are
saying he is a terrorist or has terrorists links. This is not good news.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:38 PM
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18. The guy is like Forrest Gump
He turns up everywhere. Was he sitting with Laura at the State of the Union too?
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:41 PM
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22. vetwife
Realized reading back that my post above might have come off as smart ass or know it all or "duh". Didn't mean it that way. At all. Went to see what they were saying in freepville after reading your post. So, on the contrary, and as I should have stated in my first post, You Nailed It!



:toast:

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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:46 PM
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23. Thanks Darkstar...The minute I read the thread..I just felt it !
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Kiliki Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:52 PM
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26. maybe I'm a bad DUer...
but the thought crossed my mind.

I've also considered that he might be a spook for us or Israel.

It almost defies reason to imagine this young man would have so many critical interactions in so many critcal locations with so many critical parties and it be a random coincidence.

Verrrrry odd.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:38 PM
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19. It's possible Moore would add him in then
Moore said he's reserving the right to re-edit the film right up until distribution day, to make it the most current he can before letting it go.

So, who knows. We might see the ghost of Nicholas Berg this summer. :tinfoilhat:
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:41 PM
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21. They are having a Hey day over there at that link...mmmmaaaaaaan !
Edited on Thu May-27-04 04:49 PM by vetwife
We are ahead of the curve at least three or four days ahead of regular media...The media will make a play about this and then
The FBI and Bush and his GOP wrecking crew will be all over this and guess what. We ain't gonna get to see the film ! Investigations and all plus they kill Mike's credibility and cast more doubt about his links to terrorism. Why did he give that interview? Why !
I am not a profit of doom...this is just how the GOP works. Remember Max Cleland from my neck of the woods. Look how they protrayed him...and he lost three limbs in Nam.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:00 PM
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28. The screeners (?) are already out...
If they do manage to block the film's release...bootleg copies should be fairly easy to come by. There will be those out there who will make sure this film get seen.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:47 PM
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24. Rumor or verified fact?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:49 PM
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25. deleted
Edited on Thu May-27-04 04:51 PM by yibbehobba
Shouldn't post before I read the damn thread.
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Teddy_Salad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:56 PM
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27. I feel we only know the tip of the ice Berg
I always thought there was something funny about this whole Nick Berg story from the beginning.

What it is, I don't know. Just a feeling I have.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:02 PM
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29. Er...
every freaking thing about is fishy? Could that be it?
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:44 PM
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30. Strange coincidences just follow this guy.
I'd really love to know what they talked about and how Moore met him.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:53 PM
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31. I think Moore was set up and here is how !
The government knew of all the people he was talking to and interviewing. They knew this Berg kid and the family was anti-war.
Now bush and GOP and Co know that this film is going to blow the republicans and Bush out of the water when released, so here they have detained a suspected terrorist. "Berg" and deny they have him. Somebody tells Moore's crew this kid was detained or had information about the dealings going on in Iraq and then after those mercenaries were killed, Berg, gets decapitated by someone in this government and wallah.......they got a sympathy story for all the torture going on in this country by the beheading of an american citizen, then it backfires on them when his Daddy blames Bush...Enters information about how the feds have info on Moore talking to a suspected terrorist and they can discredit Moore, his film, and hold the release at theaters. May sound like science fiction or James Bond but the only mistake I see made was that Moore did not tell of this right off.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:26 PM
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33. Yeah, how dare you speculate on a blog
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:53 PM
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35. Well....sure it is speculative and unproven but I was at one time
employed and did investigative work for FDLE in Florida.
Most things are unproven. Most things are stranger than
fiction and usually do look wierd . So look at the other side of the coin on how they will spin it. It will be much worse and we will never know the truth about this no more than we know the truth about 9-11 or anything else. But I tell you, I have seen things
spinned up close and personal and one's head would fly off, if they knew just how crooked things are.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:43 PM
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34. Brainstorm
What could be in the 20 minutes?

We know what Moore makes and the kinds of clips he uses.

Perhaps:
- Berg really was a liberal like ihis dad operating under a GOP cover and he talks about something bad he saw?

- Berg footage was to be used as an example of a brainwashed Bush supporter?

- Berg used in the context of war profiteering or foreign influences capitalizing on this attacked nation?

Can anyone think of any other things that would have been deemed possible to be used in the film?
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Kiliki Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:53 PM
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36. what if it really was pro-war?
His father suggested before he was a Bush and war supporter- maybe Moore was interviewing civilians heading over as "profiteers" and got an interview with him. In that case, More might not be in a rush to release the footage and probably his father wouldn't want it released either (though it could be kind of detrimental to see Berg arguing FOR the war, the case could also be made- heres a guy who was a Bush supporter yet the Bush war machine let him down and "let" him be kidnapped and killed)

I dunno... very strange story this is.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:03 PM
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38. Yeah
Edited on Thu May-27-04 07:04 PM by Must_B_Free
I am inclined to take Michael Berg at face value. Perhaps the whole thing is what we see, which would be the most unlikely scenario of all.

Lets see - how would MM get in touch with Berg? How would he have found Berg? If Berg were in on some sort of Israeli anti-Mossad/Likud it seems he could have been channeled to Moore.

Perhaps the tape reveals something that makes the official story fall apart. Thus is was leaked to shake the repugs to let them know it's time to jump ship because this thing is about to fall apart.

The thing that stands out to me most is that he was detained but then released for 4 days, yet he still has the prison jumpsuit on. I suspect the tapes are from different interrogation sessions and that Berg saw something so they killed him. I personally can't see that he was put into an orange jumpsuit by any "terrorists".
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:04 PM
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39. That was my point..thanks
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:02 PM
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37. Moussaoui?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:12 PM
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40. Seems possible that he could be a liberal spy
Seems possible that he could be a liberal spy

The nature of the technology he is involved in has "spy" written all over it.

We know of two separate cases where he could have infiltrated GOP operations:
1. The 2000 GOP convention where he volunteered to help with wiring
2. Abu Ghraib. It is possible that he was taking photos of the prison yard from up on the tower.

It seems less likely that he was a conservative Jew wandering around in Iraq looking for work and wore his prison jumpsuit for 4 days after being released.

If he were an anti-Likud spy, it would explain why hid father wanted to keep his cover.

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41. locking
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