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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:06 PM
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If Gore had shown the Passion and rhetoric during his campaign that he
did yesterday during his speech, we would have more Americans alive today and we would be richer in every way. (In other words *bush would not be president.)
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:12 PM
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1. He would have been crucified by the wrong wing media.
Passionate truth telling indicates mental illness in today's amerikkka. Ask Howard.

Does the code word "unelectable" ring a bell?
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:20 PM
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6. What I am trying to say is that the voters would have responded to
those emotions. Well I guess we will never know but that is what I believe.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:14 PM
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2. You mean because he would have won?
He did, you know.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:17 PM
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3. Almost added that but winning didn't put him in the WH. I'm still in
the stages of death over that one.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:18 PM
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4. The DLC had him on a leash then...
he is off of it now.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:21 PM
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7. Ah, maybe but if he had dared, perhaps history would be different.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:31 PM
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14. whatever. I hope Gore keeps it up
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:35 PM by Alerter_
All of a sudden I'm a huge fan of Al Gore's.

http://www.moveon.org/pac/gore/
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:34 PM
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16. Right, I wanted to run jumping and high fiving all of us that were
available. He really restored my faith in the Dems. More than anything that has happened lately. I was PROUD!!!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:26 PM
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10. Spare me. Gore was one of the original founders of the DLC
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:30 PM
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12. So, are you saying that he was as much a part of his own downfall as they
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:31 PM by efhmc
were?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:52 PM
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27. No...
Nlighten1 said Gore was not on the DLC "leash' any more so he could speak out or words to that effect implying the DLC wants to kill babies in Iraq and condones dragging the reputation of the USA through the dirt of Abu-Garbage. I'm saying Gore is just as much a part of the DLC as he was when he co-founded it.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:59 PM
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29. Oh, so does that mean they sent him out with this message?
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:34 PM
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32. No, the DLC dumped Gore during the 2000 campaign
And have spent the past four years dissing him for running a "populist" campaign.

Anybody who has paid the slightest attention to Democratic Party politics for the past eight years knows that.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:33 PM
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15. Well...how many DLC'ers do you hear talking like this?
I can answer that...none. Maybe he was part of the DLC but he doesn't seem to be part of it anymore.

I used to be a Republican...does that mean I still am?

Nope.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:40 PM
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22. I so love whatever has happened. It is great to hear this voice.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:36 PM
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18. Gore is very different now then when he ran in 1988
When he ran in 1988 is was as a "neo-liberal" and uber-"free market" corporatist. He has certainly changed (in rhetoric at least) since then.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:38 PM
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20. Paul of Tarsus moment
Not sure what happened, but passion like that can't be faked.

It's for real people - only wish I knew exactly what event blinded Al on the way to Damascus...
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:14 PM
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37. So? I used to be 25, I'm not anymore
Gore and the Eeyore the party killer DLC parted ways during 2000. If you listened to anything he said during that campaign you would know that.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:19 PM
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5. Are you crazy? Are you off your meds?!
At least that's what the right wing would say.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:22 PM
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8. But the rw never has and never will elect a Democrat so we really should
not take their skewed opinions into consideration.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:30 PM
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13. I think they will this time!
Check out Brock's Media Matters page about how they've diagnosed Gore with insanity. I think they're desperately trying to hold on to their core now to avoid a blow out.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:38 PM
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21. The problem with this "insanity" idea is that too many Americans
agree with him and that puts them in the same category. It's like the latest terrorist alert, it will not fly.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:24 PM
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9. I'm not sure anymore if this is true
because in '00 there were 30% that sat in the middle and were undecided. The emotion Gore exhibited could just as easily have turned them off in '00 as support him. To me, its hard to say.

Today, there are 10% or even less undecided on who they'll vote for in November. Kerry's has 45% that's solid as a rock short of Kerry being caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy. I think the type emotion Gore exhibited would not turn anyone away right now that is going to vote Democrat. And, it could even motivate those that don't normally vote to go vote (which is really and truly where this election will be won or lost).

So I think the big lesson here to Kerry from Gore in '04 is to loosen up! Show some emotion. This isn't the Senate. You're running to be the freely elected president and savior of the world from American neo-facism. Act like it! There's only 5% or so left to pick up in the solid category and a little emotion could very well get them in your corner.

Things were too good in '00. We got lazy and apathetic. Look what's happened now.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:28 PM
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11. Controlled passion about issues that matter can serve a candidiate
well.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:54 PM
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28. Agreed...
and I think the words "righteous indignation" would actually be more appropriate.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:01 PM
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30. I like that, very biblical.
Could you tell me who the guys are on the boat? Sorry, if that is a supid question and I should know them.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:03 PM
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34. The San Antonio Spurs gone fishing
Edited on Fri May-28-04 06:04 PM by Gman
because they're out of the playoffs.

From left to right, Tim Duncan (Spurs), Tony Parker (Spurs), Kenny Smith (former NBA player and TNT commentator). They're not really fishing. TNT Photoshops pics for everyone knocked out of the playoffs.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:36 PM
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17. Novak is bashing his passion right now

Thank god for Eleanor Holmes Norton who was Novak's guest.
He wanted to know what was the "Dean Hollering" all about, he thought that Gore was acting crazy.

Eleanor Holmes Norton politely told Novak that Gore had the right to stir up his audience with the passion that the words deserved (my words.)

I hope that Americans can see through this trick by rethugs this time.They are picking on the level of his voice because the TRUTH of his MESSAGE is too hard for them to swallow.

Gore can shout his message to the roof tops for all I care. Why do they think we should lower our voices when Rush abuses his vocal cords every day!
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:42 PM
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23. Maybe enough smoke has cleared so that those ringing, singing words
will get through the slime that has enveloped us for 3.5 years.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:38 PM
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19. I agree 100 percent!
What the Democrats have needed nationally for a long time is some fighting spirit. They generally come off as Casper Milquetoasts who will run away from any confrontation. That's one big reason the white male vote goes Repug.

The irony is the Democrats like Kerry and McGovern are war heroes. The Repugs, while universally Chickenhawks, pretend to be bare knuckle brawlers. The pretenders win the testosterone battle. Dumb white males obviously are suckers for macho talk, even if there is no substance behind it.

You can tell exactly how terrified the right is by Gore's new passion by the lengths they are going to to attack him. If he was as obviously loony as they claim, they wouldn't even pay attention--he wouldn't be a threat.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:44 PM
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24. Fear=scurrying repug rats. Glory, I love it!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:04 PM
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35. I don't know what people are worrying about
This was a speech at a fucking University for chrissake, and it already has more publicity than Shrub's nationally-televised address.

The more they condemn it the more people want to see it. I hope they keep WHINING about it...


:D
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:45 PM
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25. Gore Would Have Been Elected, Gore would have been Assasinated
Edited on Fri May-28-04 04:47 PM by AndyTiedye
and President Lieberman would have started the PNAC wars.

The fire kinda went out of Gore's campaign when this was made clear to him --
and came back when he was no longer in any danger of being elected.

That's my theory anyway.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:49 PM
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26. Interesting. What do you base that idea on?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:30 PM
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31. Totally Agree


Joey is a right wing neocon plant.

Gore is alive today because he did not "win" the election.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:57 PM
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33. Actually, he DID show the same passion and commitment
Gore's 2000 campaign team (including Chris Lehane and Donna Brazile) have stated pubicly that Gore has not changed, the times have changed. People I know personally who worked with Gore when he was VP say the same thing. The problem is that the mainstream media did not cover anything Gore did or said during his tenure as Vice President, during the 2000 campaign, or 90% of the time now.

They complained all through 2000 that Gore "lacked passion" because Gore was not passionate about the things they cared about - - cutting the estate tax. Gore's passion for civil rights, economic justice, the environment, etc. were dismissed as Gore's "failed populism". What happened is that too many of us in the grassroots were unable or unwilling to find out what Gore actually did and said, and believe the spin that the media spoon feed them.

The thing that most proves Gore's passion and commitment to me is the fact that he saved the life of my best friend's son, Ian, by embarrassing Aetna into living up to its contract. (Gore told Ian's story thousands of times during the 2000 campaign, but he never mentioned his role in keeping Ian alive.) http://www.babyian.com

Here are a few excerpts from some Gore speeches from 2000 which, IMNSHO, prove my point (I would have a lot more, but I did not have the foresight to tape every one of his campaign speeches, and I don't have transcripts for all the ones I do have):

The beginning of his Nov. 27th 2000 remarks on contesting the Florida Vote count:
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpEZyAFEAFbYKpmFhT.shtml
Every four years, there is one day when the people have their say. In many ways the act of voting and having that vote counted is more important than who wins the majority of the votes that are cast. Because whoever wins, the victor will know that the American people have spoken with a voice made mighty by the whole of its integrity.

On that one day every four years, the poor as well as the rich, the weak as well as the strong, women and men alike, citizens of every race, creed and color, of whatever infirmity or political temper all are equal. They are equal, that is, so long as all of their votes are counted.

A vote is not just a piece of paper. A vote is a human voice, a statement of human principle, and we must not let those voices be silenced. Not for today, not for tomorrow, not for as long this nation’s laws and democratic institutions let us stand and fight to let those voices count.


The end of his Oct. 14th 2000 speech at Wayne State University:
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpEyAuVZEyAsTXRtOZ.shtml
When you leave this place, I want you to think long and hard about what you personally will say to one of your neighbors or one of your friends who, in an idle moment says: "I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, what do you think?" I want you to arm yourselves, I want you to arm yourselves not only with the names Gore and Lieberman and Stabenow and Kilpatrick and all the other candidates that you support. I don't want you to just say "Vote for Al Gore". I want you to arm yourselves with the arguments about these issues that we've discussed here. Take some time to tell them that prosperity itself is on the ballot this fall.

Prosperity itself is at stake in this election. Jobs are at stake. Families are at stake. Health care, our schools, the environment - - they're at stake. Social Security is on the ballot this fall. Medicare is on the ballot this fall. Prescription drugs are on the ballot this fall. Civil Rights are on the ballot this fall.

Now, after you have given your choice and after you have given them your reasons, then I want you to give something else. And this is the last thing I'm going to ask you for. It's something that is difficult for you to give. It's something that people hardly ever give any more. I want to ask you to open your hearts and push past any fear of disillusionment, push past any fear of disappointment, push past any fear of having a broken heart, once you have invested your heart in the outcome of this election and in your choice for the future of our nation. Too many good people with high ideals and strong dreams have themselves decided to remain at arm's length from the political process, because they believe their hearts are brittle. And they don't want to get too involved, because if they get their hopes up, their hopes might be shattered. If they get their dreams invested in a particular outcome, then they think they might be disappointed and they may not be able to handle it.

Hear me well: your hearts are not brittle. Our country is not brittle. Your future is at stake. We need you - - not only to give them your choice and to give them the reasons - - give them your passion. If anybody is cynical, if anybody says it doesn't make a difference who wins, it doesn't make a difference which agenda governs us over the next four years, it doesn't make a difference the direction we take, I want you to tell them: "Wait a minute! I know for a fact that it makes a difference. It makes a difference to me. It makes a difference to you. It makes a difference to your family." And one of the reasons is it makes a difference if you have a President who's willing to fight for you. I ask for your passion, I want your hearts, I want your vote, I want your enthusiasm, because I want to fight for you! I want to fight for your families! I want to fight for Michigan, and Detroit and your future! God bless you. Let's win this election!


The end of his speech to the 2000 NAACP Convention:
http://www.algoredemocrats.com/news/gnn/EpkAuFlEFZeDtlVuMP.shtml

Talk doesn't cost much. The true test is to come here to Baltimore and vow to appoint a Supreme Court that lives up to the legacy of this city's greatest son, Thurgood Marshall, and interprets the Constitution in the way our founders intended it to be interpreted, not to give a commitment to the far right wing to stack that court, because stacking the court would threaten civil rights and threaten the fundamental guarantees of liberty in this country.

And when there is a closed-door meeting with the far-right-wing representatives and they come out and say that, "We heard everything we needed to hear about the Supreme Court," that may not be public, but it is not difficult to understand.

Talk doesn't cost much. The true test is telling Trent Lott and Tom DeLay the time has come for a tough new law against hate crimes because they are different.

We need to pass hate crimes legislation, because when we don't stamp out the sparks of hatred, we risk a fire at the very foundation of our house.

And when James Byrd is dragged to his death behind a pickup truck, then the governor of his home state ought to at least heed the family's plea for action.

In the words of James Byrd's nephew, "I asked him personally if he would use his influence to help pass the bill, and he told me no."

One brief sentence that said the word "yes" would have mattered a whole lot more to the cause of justice than a whole speech that didn't even mention hate crimes, the future of the Supreme Court, taking down the Confederate flag, ending racial profiling or defending affirmative action or Bob Jones University. One sentence with the word "yes" would have mattered a whole lot more.

I'm not asking you to read my lips, I'm asking you to read my heart and watch my feet and watch the work of my hands when joined with yours.

Standing together, marching together, we have a lot of work to do.

Let's heed the lessons of Clarence Mitchell, Charles Hamilton Houston, Roy Wilkens and Ben Hooks, Rosa Parks. Let's fight together. Let's struggle together. Allow yourselves to believe that we can do the right thing and be the better for it.

Let's make this country what it is intended to be. Let's rise above our differences. Let's establish respect for difference. Let's pass the legislation. Let's make the march that will take us to the mountaintop of justice and prosperity and progress and freedom for all of the people of the United States of America.

I want your help. I want to fight for you. I want to fight for your families and the future of America.

God bless you and thank you.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:06 PM
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36. How many Gore rallies have you attended in 2000? Nader & RNC
gave you their version of Gore and you bought it. Hence, the new word in the English dictionary "to Gore" someone
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