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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:40 PM
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60 minutes
now showing pictures of the 800+ killed in Iraq.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:42 PM
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1. and to adagio for strings
Can there be a more mornful tune? Nothing beats classical music for setting mood.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:46 PM
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2. I hope CBS will help bring
some sense back to this country.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:49 PM
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4. Are you kidding . . .
I can hear Limbaugh tomorrow calling it a political ploy and Hannity doing the same. They have no shame and no dignity.

I just hope these young people who have died for Bush's cause did not have to suffer. I hope their death came quickly.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:51 PM
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8. Pigboy and Insanity put the Republican Party over their country.
Of course they'll try to spin it as a political ploy. They have no shame. They're Republicans first, and Americans WAAAAAY down the line.
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captain_change Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:07 PM
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21. A little background
Adagio for Strings, op. 11
by
Samuel Barber
Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings amply demonstrates two principles: Some of the greatest ideas are essentially quite simple, and not everything popular is junk.

He originally wrote it as the second movement of a string quartet in 1936, but within two years arranged it for string orchestra. In this form, it became not only his most popular work, but also an unofficial American anthem of mourning, played after the deaths of Presidents Roosevelt and Kennedy....

http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/works/barber/adagio.html
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:32 PM
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34. Thanks for comment on the music and the link.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:17 AM
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105. Hi captain_change!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:23 AM
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107. Thanks!
I was wondering what the music was. I've heard it many times. It is mournful, yes, when you're mourning, but I listened to it once while at a scenic overview of the San Franciso Bay and Golden Gate Bridge (from the mountains on the north side) and it captured the mood of that awe-inspiring moment as well. I'm off to itunes to see if I can download it now!
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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:09 PM
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23. Platoon, Right?
nfm
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captain_change Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:11 PM
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24. Yes
The piece was the background music to the destruction of the Vietnamese village
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:52 PM
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37. Uh, it was (also?) the opening scene
Bien Hoa air base -- all that dust, all those new arrivals. Confusion. Sadness. Desolation.

Was it really used later in the film too?

As I watched -- and listened -- tonight, I kept flashing back to Vietnam, "Platoon" etc.
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Lancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:42 PM
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36. I see
all those young faces, of soldiers born after I graduated from college and had my first job and ask why?

While the Adagio is beautifully sad and fitting, I often think of Ravel's Pavane Pour Une Infante Défunte at times like this. It was played at JFK's funeral.

God, what a sad weekend this has been.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:18 AM
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106. Hi Lancer!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:58 PM
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39. Whose? At first I thought it was Albinoni
then realized it was not
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:25 PM
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47. listen
Download "Adagio for Strings" here.
http://www.modern-strings.de/sound/barber.htm
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:47 PM
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3. With This On TV
With this on mainstream Televison it is clear that Bush can not win the next election.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:50 PM
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7. When at the end
it said "service to the United States of America" both my husband and I said, at the same time, "you mean in the service of George Bush"
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:53 PM
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14. My wife said exactly the same thing.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:49 PM
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5. It's really saddening.
All these poor folks should NEVER have died at all.

Rest In Peace.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:53 PM
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13. You are SO right about that. This was a war of Bush*'s choice.
It did not have to happen and we would all be safer now.
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:50 PM
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6. Could someone please tell me why??????
I can't even turn around and look at the screen, just sitting here sobbing. What a waste. Each of these were somebody's child, mother, father, sister, brother, it goes on and on and for what???????

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:20 PM
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28. my eyes are swollen....
Such a waste in that fucking aWol* chimps* wake. I remember one year ago crying at the dining room table in front of my husband and children for all of the death that was to come in Iraq. I knew there would be a lot of innocent Iraqis dead. I had no idea there would be so many of our own too..... :cry:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:28 PM
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32. And think of the 30,000+ Iraqis needlessly murdered
it would take a lot more than 60 minutes to show their names and faces. They, too, have mothers, fathers, children, loved ones...such a tragic waste for both sides-and FOR WHAT????!!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:51 PM
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9. Damn Andy Rooney, I didn't expect that. When I quit crying and get
my poop back in a group I'll be able to say something intelligent maybe.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:54 PM
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16. my feelings exactly......
wonder if bush watched it?

I gotta go stop crying.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:45 PM
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58. Dipshit doesn't watch TV News
He gets his news filtered to him through the PNAC'ers.

Geezus this string of pictures just keeps going.....

Burn in HELL, Junior :grr:
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:52 PM
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10. This is heart wrencing and so incredibly sad
All these mostly young people had their lives taken--for nothing. Nothing.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:09 PM
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70. I hope Bushit & Co choke on that PRETZEL
.....And may our 800 RIP.......OMG they were so young.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:52 PM
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11. They all died to make Bush* "the wartime president".
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:52 PM
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12. F*ck bush!
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joanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:57 PM
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19. So moving
Impossible to watch it and not be incredibly moved.... and incredibly angry.... these people died for LYING, WARMONGERING, CRIMINAL in the WH and his cartel. :mad:
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:50 PM
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60. After next January it will be fuck Kerry
This shit is not going to end with a new presidunce.
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marigold20 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:54 PM
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15. Devastating
Such a terrible waste.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:55 PM
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17. Did anyone else feel they had to make an effort to look at every face
My eyes kept tearing up, but I felt it was necessary to make sure each face was noticed.

They looked like nice people, it is a bad thing they are gone.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:00 PM
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20. Yes, absolutely I needed to look
at each one and I thought "if there were my son or my daughter, I
would want everyone to see him (or her)"

Such a friggin' waste. The bloof of these young people will forever be on the hands of the Bush Cabal.
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captain_change Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:09 PM
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22. The same here
My wife and I did not move for the 11 minutes, even speaking seemed like an insult to the memory of the brave men & women
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kymar57 Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:17 PM
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26. Absolutely
So sad. But I felt obliged to look every one of them in the eye and promise "never again"

Never again will I sit by and let more people die for these crooks.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:58 PM
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38. Us, too
My husband I just watched in silence, looking at every one and imagining the pain their families must feel now.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:27 PM
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31. Yes, every face ,
all I could think of was my grandson is not amoung them. He is due home in July, I pray he makes it! It was so overwhelming!
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:35 PM
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35. Yes
I was doing something and had to stop and just sit there and watch.

I felt I had to.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:59 PM
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40. Yes, met too. I did the same with Nightline. I figured the least I could
do was to give them each the respect of recognizing each face.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:06 PM
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69. Yes, I did too.
I made myself look at every face. I had to honor them all. I just had to.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:00 PM
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80. I too, shed tears
We were in the middle of dinner when the Andy Rooney segment appeared. Adagio for Strings is an automatic tearjerker for me and my fork was frozen as I looked at the entire profile.

I feel so sad for the children, spouses, and parents for all who've died...not just the Americans, but the innocent Iraqis...


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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:51 AM
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108. Yes, exactly!
I had no idea it was coming and my husband and I just froze. We couldn't speak when it was over. Our son is a Marine and we have a portrait of him -- just like those of the fallen Marines -- on our shelf. They are taken at boot camp in uniforms they wear just for the portrait. (Most young Marines don't even own the "dress blues" uniform because they have to buy them and they cost about $300.) My son always complains that the hat he was given for his portrait is sort of floppy. I kept finding myself watching for that floppy hat on the heads of the Marines who were being honored, wondering if any of them had worn the same hat as my son.

I would have been moved anyway but you feel such a strong connection to these young men and women when you know your son could be one of them.
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belladonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:56 PM
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18. Mike Wallace just read all the hate mail from FR
And you KNOW it came from FR, don'cha? I was pleased that the letters supporting him seemed to outnumber the hate mail though
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:59 PM
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64. There was some true idiocy and hatred in those letters.
I'll bet the one Freepazoid thinks Andy Rooney is even more "unamerican" after what he did tonight. Fucking morans don't have the first goddamn clue what "patriotism" means.

Slightly off topic - Didn't Mike Wallace sound like there was something wrong with him? Almost like his voice was slurring or something. I wouldn't think he would be drunk on camera. Some prescription medication maybe? Hope he's not seriously ill :(
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:23 AM
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97. That one letter was really sick
and hateful saying such awful stuff about Andy Rooney. :wtf: I just can't understand how come some people are so ignorant and stupid. :puke: :argh: :mad:
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:12 PM
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25. A heartbreaker
CBS and Andy Rooney especially are taking allot of flak for this.
We need to show our support.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:18 PM
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27. Wonder whether that stations owner - Sinclair? - banned his CBS affiliates
from carrying this segment...

I counted 10 women... Do we know how many American soldiers died in Iraq?
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:32 PM
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33. 810 American soldiers have died in Iraq.
Edited on Sun May-30-04 07:32 PM by northwest
:cry:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:02 PM
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42. That's what I was thinking
Hadn't heard anything about a mass boycott of 60 minutes like we did for Nightline....

Then again, since it's Memorial Day, it was probably determined that it would come across as being in poor taste to boycott something so appropriate to show.

Quite moving.
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PfNJ Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:21 PM
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29. How does George Bush sleep at night?????
Does that evil fu**ing cockroach have a conscience?

I guess it's all just a game to him, huh?

I mean, he's got his toys, his little souvenirs, he can show them to his little buddies with that f**king smirk on his face. What do the families of these men, these women, these boys and girls, what do they have left? Some memories, a few pictures, maybe the deep down hope that their fathers/ mothers/ brothers/ sisters/ sons/ daughters/ grandchildren gave their lives for some noble cause?

These men and women are no longer with us, solely because of this administration, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Colin Powell (yes, you too), and all the rest of these scumbags who lied to get us into their god-damn WAR OF CHOICE.

I know none of those assholes were watching this, they seem to think war is some sort of videogame, especially since virtually all of them, save Powell, ran and hid like little b**ches when it was their turn to serve.

If there is truly justice in this world, those with blood on their hands will surely pay a price. Do these men and women dance in your dreams, George? Can you see them playing with their children, kissing their mothers good-bye, saying "I'll be back soon, don't worry." No, of course you don't, because evil has no conscience. There is a special place reserved for you in hell, George, but you won't be lonely George, you won't be lonely.....

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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:35 PM
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56. I agree...
I think if there truly is justice in this world, Bush and the neocon cabal in this administration would first be impeached. Then, all of them plus everyone else who helped facilitate this war, like media whores Judith Miller, the "journalists" at Fox, NBC, etc., the "think tanks" "scholars", the INC, and others like these last two groups, would be turned over to The Hague for trial on war crimes charges. If Julius Streicher and the other Nazi propagandists were prosecuted after the end of WWII for publishing Nazi propaganda, the members of the media who helped bring this war about for Bush and the neocons should not escape liability either. And this doesn't even include that everyone listed above should be prosecuted for treason against the United States.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:36 PM
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77. How does he sleep at night?
He believes that he is doing the Lord's work. What a fuckin' hypocrite.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 07:26 PM
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30. chgo trib did the same
in today's paper. just the ones since nov, when they did the same thing. 5 pages of postage stamp size pics. i looked at it and felt at fault. i did what i could do to prevent this war. when it started, i felt a personal sense of failure. i still feel that i have blood on my hands. i am a citizen of this country, and we, all of us, sent them off to war. how many freepers feel the same, i wonder. how many of those REALLY to blame feel the blood on their hands? not many, i would guess.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:00 PM
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41. if it helps
there came a point, around the time of the UN resolution, that I realized nothing was going to stop this war, certainly nothing that We the People without the help of Congress (who were simply refusing to any attention) could do short of revolution. It was quite simply out of our control.

So I don't feel a sense of personal failure, but I do feel an overwhelming sense of grief and sadness and despair because the war was so unnecessary, and COULD have/should have been stopped.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:20 PM
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46. Yes. The odds were against us
It seemed everyone was waving the flag while those of us who were saying wait a minute where being labeled treasonous. We only said, "Wait, look at the facts".

But NYT and the others were forging full speed ahead while we few kept saying, "Wait this may not be what they say it is".

After watching that sea of faces, it is of little consolation.

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freeminder Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:08 PM
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55. I can imagine how frustrated well-informed DUers must be
having predicted the course of events long in advance, but unable to change the course of the trainwreck.

But then again, we were all only a "focus group", it was Bush*s choice to ignore us. You only could start a civil war or a popular uprising, and for that there wasn't any momentum after 9/11.

"All we need is one event of a Pearl Harbor magnitude"
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:06 AM
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92. Yes, I remember those words all too well...
There I was, just trying to suggest that maybe some debate on the whole idea of a war should take place--

"Traitor!"

"Saddam-sympathizer!"

"You have the same mindset as Osama bin Laden."

All I wanted was to help prevent the needless deaths of tens of thousands, of innocents and soldiers alike, in a war based on already-evident lies.

I will never forget how I was labeled - and how terrible I feel that I was right about all this madness.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:03 PM
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43. We need to make sure they know they made the right move
We needed to see these men and women. We should send thanks to CBS and Rooney.

mailto:60Minutes@cbsnews.com
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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:31 PM
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50. We're all very quick to crucify them when they've done wrong...
please encourage them when they do right. Thanks for the suggestion and the link.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:38 AM
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89. Done. Thanks for the reminder!
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:53 AM
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91. Undone. Came back as "undeliverable"
Maybe their mailbox is filled up?

Kanary
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freeminder Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:06 PM
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44. at least this is proof the US
is still a democracy. With "this" I mean the fact that CBS came out with the story about Abu Ghraib.

by the way, us old europeans will come and save your ass from unelected rulers if need be.

Only reciprocating!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Please do
We do not seem to be able to save ourselves.

If there ever was a time for some good old European reciprocation (or a good slap in the face), it is now.
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freeminder Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:03 PM
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54. Well come to think of it,
what would be the time for us to come?
When a majority of americans are asking that we come?
When the next country is invaded?
When elections are suspended?
When we know you have torture rooms inside the US?
When people start disappearing?
When journalism is shut down?

Actually, I believe americans can still pull it off. The Cabal is being exposed. You cannot lie to all of the people all of the time.

All empires have a rise. And a fall.
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Rick in Maryland Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:09 PM
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45. Stolen idea, poor choice of music. The American people simply do not care
that American service members have died in Iraq. The American people simply do not care that American service members continue to die in Iraq. They simply do not care.

If they cared, they would be calling for the immediate with drawl of all our troops from Iraq. Immediate as in right now. Not next month, not next week. Now. Get them out now. They don't so they wont.

If anything at all these Nightline/60 Minute shows do is remind you of how little the American people truly care. You get to see all those faces of the dead stream by and you realize that so many of your fellow Americans just do not care. At least not like you do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:27 PM
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49. There is such a huge difference in being told we have had 800 casualties..
..and seeing the photos of each of them, don't you agree?
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Rick in Maryland Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:36 AM
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99. People just don't care. I got into a discussion with a right-winger I
work with about the Nightline roll call of the dead. He was against Nightline showing the people that have died in Iraq. He said that it was way too political. I don't know if he really thought that or if the idea had been placed in his head by one of the many right-wing pundits saying the very same thing. He even said that 600 dead in Iraq really wasn't that many. He went on to say that more people then that have died on the Nation's highways during the last year. He went on to say that as far as anyone knows, those killed in Iraq would have died in the States for other reasons.

I honestly was left speechless.

The point of these death roll calls is to illustrate just the price we as a Nation are paying to "liberate" Iraq. The truth is that most people just simply do not care. If anything, these programs simply cause people to become numb to the carnage.

People in this country care about American Idol. If every person that called the American Idol hotline to vote for their favorite idol would have instead placed a call to their congressional Representative and demanded to have our service members come home immediately, we wouldn't still be in this mess.

People just do not care.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:42 PM
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57. Welcome to DU, Rick in Maryland.
I think that the majority of the American public does care. However, there is a feeling, and I have it as well, that we caused this problem and that we must be the ones to pay for it. It's horrible that now * has made us complicit in the needless deaths of Americans and Iraqis.
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:13 PM
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72. This will reach people
Rick-

Most of the folks here are way more informed on issues, especially this elective war. 60 Minutes reaches a lot of the less curious. Nightline ran this on, I think, a Friday, Nightline gets a fraction of the viewers of 60 Minutes.

Let it sink into middle America before you judge. I bet before the week is out, you may surprised about how some you know have turned on the "war".
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Rick in Maryland Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:40 AM
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100. Most people did not watch 60 minutes last night. If anything, 60 minutes
was simply preaching to the choir. Sadly, the people that really need to receive the message presented by 60 Minutes were watching NASCAR last night. After all it is their sons and daughters that are doing all the dieing over in Iraq. They were not watching 60 Minutes.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:05 PM
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81. True Rick, but what will it take
to get them to care? If we don't keep this kicked up to the front burner often, yes people will not care.

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Rick in Maryland Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:47 AM
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101. The only thing that will make Americans care is to bring back the draft.
Bring back the draft, but do so without any of the deferments that so many of our nation's elite received during the last war against evil, Vietnam.

Far too many of our soldiers doing all the dieing in Iraq joined the military not because they have an overwhelming sense of patriotism. They joined because they either could not afford to go to college or they could not find a good paying job.

Until this Nation drastically changes that way it raises it's armies, it will always be someone else's children doing all the dieing.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:01 PM
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111. Yup, another draft, I think it's a reality
The rumors floating about is the draft this time around will not have college exemption. Personally I won't think a draft would be fair unless Jenna and Barbara Bush were drafted to Iraq !
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:41 AM
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95. Welcome to the DU...thanks for caring...
...your so right...why aren't Americans demanding immediate withdrawal? Only after another 800 or more have died? Or so that historians can write about it decades from now saying "well, we should have withdrawn immediately before the additional 1000's died?"

Glad others like myself care, but sadly, we and the folks here on DU are a minority, or atleast it sure does feel that way, doesn't it?

Well, atleast on the DU you'll feel a little less lonely in this crazy time we live in....
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:33 PM
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51. Thankyou for that 60 minutes....
I watched the faces hoping I would not see someone I loved - I saw everyone I ever loved in those faces.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:34 PM
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52. if you didn't see today's Doonesbury....
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:57 PM
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53. Thank you for the CBS Link
I sent them an email. I love Andy Rooney and told them so!

Kerry will be in KC on Wednesday and my friend and I are going to see him. I've NEVER seen a president (in person). Here's my chance.

See, I'm even beginning to think of him as President! I pray!
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:47 PM
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59. Thank goodness they don't show the 800+ dead per week in Viet Nam
That would wrongly put this police action into perspective to our detriment.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:58 PM
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:59 PM
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65. No troll here...just the truth
For those that can handle the truth it is refreshing.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:05 PM
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68. You cannot handle the truth
No Imminent threat. Lie by BushCo
No WMD. Lie by BushCo
No democracy for Iraq. Lie by BushCo
No CleanAir. Pollution okayed by BushCo
No Leave No Child Behind. Funds not supplied and okayed by BushCo

And on, and on, and on.

No peanuts here. Trolls not welcome.
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:11 PM
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71. Then why do you troll those you do not know?
I'm sure my wits are equal to or better than yours judging by your propensity to start a fight with a newcomer.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:26 PM
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75. 800+ dead, and on your and BushCo's watch
No threat, no democracy

just 800+ dead.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:44 PM
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:20 PM
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84. Newbies are very welcome here
but your lean towards wars of aggression are suspect.

Why would you want to hang with a bunch of admitted anti-war wackadoos?
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:29 PM
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85. I hang with honest and open minded people regardless of prejudice
Growing an understanding relationship for friendship is a goal that I live for.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:45 PM
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86. We do not like BushCo, unwarranted Wars of Aggression
or stealing our tax dollars from our nation's treasury by the rich and powerful

If you can deal

then welcome
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:50 PM
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87. I can deal with everythig except
Using the term "we" when speaking of my own feelings. I was taught to never speak for anyone but myself.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:23 AM
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88. DU is a We. I am not too sure about
all of us. But We we are. We have to hang together in these times because "them" have a coordinated effort against everything that is not them.

So We we are. Deal.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:02 PM
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66. I'll feed this one ... It'll be fun. Since you mention Vietnam,
were you aware that we lost more people in combat to Iraq in the first year then we did in Vietnam?

Betcha weren't.

Were you also aware that Clinton didn't lose ONE member of our military in battle?

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:14 PM
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73. You have mistaken me for a freeper type
Sorry...I have a grip on reality and history and can handle myself without false accusations from the paranoid and trolls.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:13 PM
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109. Good, then answer the question(s).
Edited on Mon May-31-04 12:14 PM by mzmolly
;)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:13 AM
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96. Welcome weedthesmoke......
...but mzmolly is correct. There have been more people killed in the first year of Iraq War than in the first year of Viet Nam War. Where did you get that number "800" per week of casualties?
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:28 PM
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76. American soldiers?
We will never know the true number of dead per week in Vietnam, see the Pentagon Papers.

THE UNITED STATES DID NOT LOSE THE WAR IN VIETNAM, THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE DID.
(and other very sad, but interesting statistics)
http://www.vhfcn.org/stat.htm

The highest number of American casualties in Vietnam, for a given week, was 500+
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weedthesmoke Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:42 PM
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78. 500+ a week for a war started by whom?
I don't like the answer any more than you do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:32 AM
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98. We were fighting the scourge of communism.....
Didn't you get the memo?? :)
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:57 PM
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61. They should make Bush watch it
over and over and over again.. Lets see what that heartless fucker thinks then of war..
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:57 PM
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62. Anybody have A.Rooney's closing quote?
NT
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Lakerstan Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:49 AM
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90. Rooney's segment...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:20 AM
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93. His last sentence is worth the price of admission.
Well, more, since you can see the video for free, but still.

"The idiocy of wars that killed them."

Amen.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:04 PM
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67. Someone's baby.
It was so sad, but I am so proud of CBS and Nightline for having the balls to do what's right....They honored those who died. It's more than the chimp has done.
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:23 PM
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74. We had a weather report
I'm so upset that I missed this. I was watching 60 Minutes, but there was a tornado warning about an hour from where I live, so the local station showed Doppler radar during most of the episode.

Worst part is that I live in Columbus, Ohio, and the people in my city missed the Dateline report too because of Sinclair. We desperately need to see this type of coverage here. :(
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:07 PM
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82. we had bad weather here the
first time they showed the dead in Iraq. is it possible to get the show on tape?
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petersjo Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:13 PM
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83. This evening's PBS Memorial Day concert from the mall in DC
Had a violinist playing Ave Maria while the names of over 1000 American soliders who have died in both Afghanistan and Iraq played across the screen. This was just after Charles Durning and Tom Hanks greeted and shook hands with a group of new amputees seated in a front row. There was a moving tribute to amputees with scenes played on-screen from hospitals and rehab. All tributes focused on honoring the dead and injured without any mention of support for this war or Bush. Very artfully and tastefully done. As were many of you who mentioned the 60 Minutes tribute, I watched this moving tribute with tears in my eyes thinking that these people should be here now living their lives instead of having to die for Bush's greed and ignorance.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:34 AM
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94. I can't stop crying...for them, for the Iraqis, for our Nation & World...
...when one thinks of what WWII was about, a true battle against evil where people came together and fought side by side to save the world and how many died - then skip ahead to Vietnam and all the lives of our young soldiers that were sacrificed only so that we could decades later be told by Robert Mcnamara and others like him that "it was a mistake" - then skip ahead to a time where we as a nation, as a world were supposed to have learned from the past - learned about the dangers of fascism, learned about the mistakes of Vietnam, learned about stopping nuclear proliferation, learned about working towards peace on this planet only to what - to have our nation launch a pre-emptive war based on lies and to have all these young men & women dead (not to mention all the Iraqi citizens)....For What? Democracy? This is democracy? This is making us safer? On this "Memorial Day" Weekend, I can only cry and feel that we haven't learned.... :cry:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:55 AM
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102. Could not watch it, my husband is in too bad a shape now
Im glad he didnt watch it. He cant. He can barely get thru the day as it is.
I am glad it was shown. If only all US citizens knew, truly , that they all died
for
nothing.
for
nothing.
I cannot let my husband watch it, he is down too far into depression with Michael over there. He is way too down, I cannot let him watch it now.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:58 AM
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103. So sad...
I'm speechless.But i'm also angry at the bastard who said:Bring 'em on!
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hellbound-liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:37 AM
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104. Thanks for the link. Here's my short note to Andy..
I put GREAT SHOW in the subject line so they could tell my response without reading the entire e-mail.

Dear Andy, I just want to commend you on your awesome display of PATRIOTISM and HUMANITY in honoring those who have fallen in Iraq. You and your staff have done a great service to these young men and women who have had their YOUNG lives taken from them before they even began. I would love to see the same type of honor bestowed on some of the innocent Iraqis who have suffered a similar loss. Maybe you, through your singular actions as a true journalist, can help the American public wake up to the true cost of war to all of the members of the HUMAN FAMILY. Once again, I thank you for your patriotism and I urge you to continue your fine work.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:22 PM
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110. Nice letter. n/t
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