Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

O'Lielly: Canada Boycott until Army Private CO RETURNED by Ottawa!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:49 PM
Original message
O'Lielly: Canada Boycott until Army Private CO RETURNED by Ottawa!
US deserter bids to stay in Canada

A flood of conscientious objectors to America’s ‘new Vietnam’ in Iraq is set to pour across the border if a US Army private wins a landmark case against his extradition. Paul Gains reports from Toronto



A Toronto immigration judge is due to hear an extraordinary case July 7, which could have serious ramifications for the US occupation of Iraq. Jeremy Hinzman, a US army private, deserted his post and fled to Canada over the New Year holiday with his wife and infant son. He has retained a Toronto immigration lawyer to help him remain in the country and thereby evade punishment. If he is successful in applying for refugee status it could open a floodgate of desertions.

-snip-

Hinzman is aware there are enormous consequences to his actions. There is a 60-year statute of limitations on desertion. If he were to return to the United States, at the very least, he would face a lengthy prison term. Desertion in time of war is also punishable by death.

Naturally, veterans’ groups and the US media have been outspoken in their criticism. The Fox Television personality Bill O’Reilly has called for a boycott of Canadian goods until Hinzman and another deserter living in Canada are returned to face courts martial.

Hinzman has also been the target of vicious hate mail and several death threats through a website that has been set up for him by Lefty Lucy Communications – a Nova Scotia-based group of peace activists.
Some say they have taken up a collection to pay bounty hunters to track him down, kidnap him and take him back to the United States.


-snip-

30 May 2004

http://www.sundayherald.com/42337

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

tHIS COULD HAVE BIG RAMIFICATIONS, FOLKS! JULY 7 HEARING!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
1. This isn't gonna fly
Hinzman should have checked first.

Canada is not accepting political refugees from the United States - yet.

If Dubya had instituted the draft, Hinzman might have had a better chance.

I'll be very surprised if Immigration Canada changes their policy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
2. O'Highley can
threaten in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up first.

I'm not sure what that means either, but I hope we let the dude stay up here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. The timing is wrong
unless this drags on until after the election.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
20. Hi Lautremont!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. If there is a draft for this war, I'm starting an underground railway.
Draft dodgers are welcome up here. I actually knew a couple. Nice folks who became good citizens.
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
5. I don't think I've ever seen anything that said "Made in Canada" on them
Not a very effective boycott it would seem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ekova Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. True,
Most boxes in Canada seem to be made in China...

Bill might be upset to find out that the buses * has been stumping in were made in Canada. I guess the campaign trail is now by train.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. Yes, you have. If there is French and Spanish on the package
it's been shipped in under Nafta. I am in Maine, so I see "Fabrique au Canada" on a lot of goods.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. I take it back
The robotic arm on the Space Shuttle (and I think the ISS) is Made in Canada. Thanks Canada for robotic arms!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. Yet we're each other's largest trading partner.
That's why a boycott would fail.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
6. Hmmm. Bush went AWOL, so whatever he got should be applied Hinzman.
The fact the Canadians don't want him suggests they won't want any of us when Bush* starts doing the real dirty work (Patriot II for starters...)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ekova Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. There have been a couple of impromptu, small scale rallies here,
to support the soldier(s) that want to stay. When * doesn't recognise conscientious objector status I'm all for people coming here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
8. We should boycott our #1 trading partner who lives next door?
I think we should boycott china--IMO.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ekova Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. I agree 100%. nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
11. Rabbit: Boycott O'Reilly until he starts making sense
That'll be the day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
12. Bush got away with going over the hill!
What's the problem?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
13. ROFL, like he is going to boycott oil and gas from Canada?
I highly doubt it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. don't forget water and electricity
.
.
.

just little stuff the US don't really need

right?

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
14. Hey O'Reichly.... FUCK OFF!


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go buy some Rush CD's, Maple syrup and backbacon, JUST TO PISS YOU OFF!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ekova Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Mmmmmm.
maple syrup.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joshdawg Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
16. Draft dodging is one thing, but
desertion is altogether different. Desertion is never the right thing to do. Draft-dodging, although not really ok, is less offensive.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
22. I have a BETTER idea ...

Let's just cancel NAFTA in retaliation !!!!! ;-) Let's withdraw from WTO because France has been a thorn in our side ;-)


This is the type of ridiculous hyperbole that O'Reilly SHOULD be engaging in ;-)




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:31 PM
Response to Original message
23. Let's boycott Fox until Silly Billy is fired. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. I Think It's Safe To Say
That most of us have a de-facto boycott of Faux going on right now, and we wouldn't really be missed.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. I don't see why we can't start claiming victory under these circumstances.

The other side does it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
25. Interesting Poll at the bottom of the article
.
.
.

"Sixty years have passed since the carnage of D-Day, but has the world really changed?

Yes 34%

No 66%

http://www.sundayherald.com/42337

Also from the article:


Representing him at the hearing will be Jeffry House, who is entirely sympathetic to Hinzman’s case. Thirty years ago, House packed up his Volkswagen ‘Beetle’ and left his home in Wisconsin to evade the US military draft. After earning his law degree at Toronto’s York University he became a political activist.

It is a landmark case, and one that Hinzman has to win. “Canada evaluates refugee claimants based on the Geneva Convention on refugees,” he said. “And in the case of soldiers it says that soliders who refuse to participate in a war considered illegal by the international community, and face prosecution for that refusal, amounts to persecution on the basis of political opinion.

“Obviously, in a hearing Jeffry is going to have to provide a lot of evidence that the war is illegal according to international law and that most of the internationl community considered it that way. Canada considered it illegal. Obviously Canada did not contribute troops to it. In terms of those criteria, I think we stand on solid ground.”
_____________________________________________________

hmmmm

Is this Canada's opening to officially accuse the US of an illegal war

and PROVE it ?

hmmm :freak:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
26. Whatever. You have zero credibility anywhere you treasonous
moran.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 10:49 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC