Neil Bortz is on the radio reading "supposedly" from DU

[frankly_fedup2]

However, I cannot find the posts he "supposedly" is posting from.


Hey Neil . . . if you see this post, specify where exactly are these terrible posts you have read. I cannot find them.

[Az]

1. We have a couple 1000 eyes here so tell us what he is saying

Maybe we can find it.

[wryter2000]

2. If you're talking about "I'm glad Reagan died"

Those posts are here. I wish I could say they weren't.

[SaveElmer]

3. Shamefully there are alot to choose from!!! (nt)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

101. Pick a few and let's discuss them, shall we? Let's find out if you're...

...having a "knee-jerk moment", or if you've actually read more than a handful of the posts in question.

Then we'll find out who's really being "shameful", won't we?

[morgan2]

4. why?

who cares if he died?

[PeaceForever]

8. Me too.

For the record, I'm sad about Reagan's death, just as I am sad about any human being's death.

[Puglover]

90. So when Pol Pot passed

it really tore you up?

[Ms. Clio]

104. And when Saddam and Bin Laden finally buy the farm

We'll be waiting in vain for all the posts about their "humanity" and how they have families who loved them, yada yada. Not 1/10 of this outrage was expressed over the photos of Uday and Qusay, or even the torture photos. But suddenly "moderates" are coming out of the woodwork to scold and preach about Reagan.

[DoNotRefill]

Are you REALLY comparing Reagan to Pol Pot?

eom

[Puglover]

110. Oh for Gods Sake...

read the post I was answering...jesus.

[leftofthedial]

112. not an inapt comparison

Pol Pot was just better at what Reagan accomplished in Latin America.

[Puglover]

115. LOL!

God I wish I was as quick as you!
:evilgrin:

[bread_and_roses]

9. Why would you wish that?

I am happy the mean-spirited, racist, murderous bastard is dead and will be happy to say it to anyone. The deaths and sufferings of millions are on that administration, may they all rot in hell.

[trogdor]

26. The man has been irrelevant since 1989.

The last time I saw him was at the 1992 GOP convention. He got folks fired up, not for Bush the Elder, but for what they refer to as the "good old days" when he was President. It didn't help. So tell me, how is the world better today than it was on Friday?

[lastliberalintexas]

71. No he hasn't.

Let me start off by saying that I am not happy the man has died, I am not rejoicing in his death by any means. Neither am I saddened, however.

But please do not make the mistake of assuming that Reagan has been irrelevant for ANY length of time. He is still seen as the model or benchmark for repubs and their policies- and Reagan's policies were not nearly as benign as many here seem to think. I don't know if some here are just too young to really remember the Reagan years or if the passage of time has made them seem milder than they were. We are STILL feeling the ill effects of the Reagan administration's malaise. We should never be afraid to point out simply, without undue vitriol if possible, that, by and large, neither the man nor his policies were good for the nation or the world.

The Reagan Myth has simply been a story well crafted by the right wing in their attempts to find a foil for FDR. If we don't respond to such drivel with the true story, we'll see an entire generation lost to The Myth.

[Carolina]

75. the world is better off

because it/we won't have to go through this on later in the year like Friday October 29th!

Also, he is not irrelevant. His policies and his people lived on beyond 1989 and thrive in the current White House. Bush 41 may have lost, but look what his minions did to Clinton for all 8 years, paving the way for theft 2000 and the current mess we're in.

[Forkboy]

94. How is the world better

One more facist is dead! Maybe it's not better,but it sure isn't worse for it either :)

[PeaceForever]

30. You're choking on your hatred.

It's sad, but I realize I can't do anything about it.

[bread_and_roses]

40. Yep. I hate murder for profit

I hate racism, I hate grinding the poor into the dirt to earn the rich another penny on the dollar, I hate homophobia. I especially hate paying murderers who kill and torture the children of poor people in other countries or gas whole populations. Any respect for that monster is laughing in the face of his dead victims.

Understand something: I would not have lifted one finger to harm that murderous fraud, any more than I would lift one finger to harm any other human being. But he's no more worthy of respect dead than he was alive. His victims didn't get to live to old age.

[Carolina]

77. good post, good response

the truth is the truth. Death doesn't change that.

[MoonRiver]

63. Another anti-free speech unless it praises a Repub post.

How sad.

[Forkboy]

114. nah,it's just a popcorn kernel

[John BigBootay]

69. Reagan scared me as a kid--

when it came to cold war brinksmanship he was either crazy or he was brilliant-- maybe a little of both.

But the fact is, under his watch he pushed the USSR into destroying the Wall.

I give him ultimate props for that.

He helped free millions of people from what I consider to be totalitarian bonds.

He did many things I don't like or agree with as well. I have somewhat mixed emotions about him.

[leftofthedial]

116. your premise is factually incorrect

he coincidentally was President when the wall came down. He had virtually nopthing to do with it. It would have happened if Mondale, or even Miss Piggy was President.

I happened to walk outside last night just as lightning struck the tree across the street. I didn't cause it. If I had a multi-billion dollar propaganda machine telling you that leftofthedial caused lightning to strike, though, you'd believe that too, I suppose.

[John BigBootay]

124. Yep-- you're probably right

I believe everything I hear, because I'm just a stoopid, RW propaganda-machine, spoon-fed, sheep in man's clothing-- right?

Have you ever been to the former USSR?

I was there for 4 weeks in the winter of 1984.

I had an opportunity to see communism in all it's wonder and glory, get arrested for taking pictures of a hotel construction site, talk to filmmakers, students, politicians and various everyday people.

I learned what one cannot learn from one-sided opinion makers. The Soviets feared Reagan (even more than I did) and they were incredibly envious of America. The people wanted what the government could not afford them: toothpaste, locks for their doors, decent cigarettes-- and FREEDOM!

Furthermore, it should be obvious to any and all witnesses to history that the USSR could not sustain the arms race.

It may have not been Reagan who created the environment for the Soviet collapse, but he deserves credit for applying tremendous pressure at the critical moment of breaking when the Soviet government was weak.

It is not clear to me that any other body in the White House would have achieved the same result.

Go ahead and insist that Reagan had nothing to do with it. I choose to rely on my own observation in this matter.

[Sterling]

125. So like Gorby said the USSR colapsed from internal problems

As in communism is flawed to the point it cannot work? I cant see how Reagan had anything to do with that situation. Yes you have bought the lie.

[leftofthedial]

126. Soviet defense spending was flat from Carter on

the "reagan spent the Russians into oblivion" argument is a myth. We spent more--ridiculously and dangerously more--but they didn't. Chernobyl, Afghanistan, chronically poor domestic economic management, and technological changes would have brought them down, regardless of who was US President. The Soviet Empire collapsed under the weight of its own overreaching corrupt state-capitalism.

The fact that the Soviet system sucked (which it did) and that Ivan-on-the-street feared Reagan doesn't mean Reagan deserves credit for ending the cold war. In fact, two Presidents, Kennedy and Carter, probably deserve more direct credit than Reagan, if you want to start handing out credit.

Reagan's deficits and proto-neocon foreign policy agenda actually weakened America internationally. Had the Cold War continued, we'd be less able to fight it now BECAUSE of Reagan's policies. But the Cold War didn't continue. Reagan was just in the right place at the right time, with a decent speechwriter, and an arrogant willingness to take credit for something he didn't do. Subsequently, the RW propaganda machine has institutionalized many facets of the reagan myth that just don't stand up to informed scrutiny. They need a "prophet." Saint reagan is it.

BTW, I never spent time in the USSR, but I spent a fair amount of time behind the Iron Curtain from the mid-60's until the early 70's and again briefly in the early 80's. I've been back since, too. That envy of Americans and desire for economic freedom was palpable. It has changed remarkably since the wall came down though.

Sorry for the ad hominem tone of my lightning example before. I don't think you're an idiot. I just find no redeeming quality in the reagan legacy, especially as regards the collapse of the USSR.

[progressivebydesign]

35. He has plenty to choose from here!

There was an entire thread "celebrating" Reagan's death. There was several "pissing on his grave" posts. There were some "rot in hells", a few "satan is waiting for you".

The morans here at DU outdid themselves. Just when I thought the classlessness and immaturity couldn't get any worse as it was during the primaries.. they outdid themselves. As long as this site is called "Democratic" anything, the right wingers will take those words to hold us up as an example of what the Democrats think and offer. Just as some people around here equate the nutjobs at Free Republic as speaking for all republicans.

[trogdor]

45. Food for thought.

[Carolina]

80. Shit on the rightwingers

and what they think. Whether we're nice or nasty, cordial or snide, civil or hostile ... they will paint us as the enemy. If they equate our words against Saint Reagan's regime and legacy as indicative of all Democrats, so what. I don't see how appeasing them has won us anything (1998 impeachment, 2000 theft, 2002 wipeout).

I will say what I damn well please as long as I damn well can; and BTW read Skinner and quit calling your fellow DUers 'morans.'

[Media_Lies_Daily]

97. And I guess the folks at Freeperville have never written anything...

...equal to, or definitely worse, than ANY of the anti-Reagan threads? Surely you remember the good old days of the absolutely horrendous pot-shots taken at our last legally-elected President, don't you? How about the comments made about just Hillary and Chelsea alone?

Speaking of "morans here at DU", did you read ANY of the posts in ANY of those threads? Did you read ANYTHING past the original TITLE of each of those anti-Reagan threads? How many of those posts actually discussed the posters' dislike of the policies carried out by Reagan as opposed to the man himself? How many of those posts contained factual data about the results of the Reagan years?

Can you refute ANY of the factual data contained in ANY of the posts in those threads? Got anything to say about Reagan's economic legacy? How about an observation about his policies in Central America and East Timor? How about Iran-Contra? Nothing about the S&L crisis? And what about the actual number of Reagan cabinet members that spent TIME IN JAIL?

It sounds to me like you would rather act like the people you're discussing. It sounds to me like you would rather buy into what the Freepers are cookin', because you've been conditioned to react as if Democrats and Progressives are always wrong.

Where do you get off acting like your the moral compass of DU? When I want a sermon, I'll find a chaplain and ask for one.

[leftofthedial]

118. it doesn't matter what we say

right wingers hold us in contempt and call us names.

the nutjobs at free republic, in effect, DO speak for repukes, just as shock troops "speak" for the whole army or just as preparatory jabs "speak" for a big right hook.

[NMDemDist2]

5. here is the DU link he posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1726149&mesg_id=1726149&page=

[trumad]

7. Neil the Liiiiiiaaaaarrrr...

Hey Neil...Al kicked your lying ass a couple of weeks ago.... Asshole///

[salin]

12. gee... what a surprise

but wasn't that the point?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

48. I sometimes wonder if people plant these things intentionally to MAKE us

lose...if I were going to undermine a movement that's what I would do...if I was more content to be the underdog, I would behave in a manner that would permanently relegate me to underdog status....might not be conscious...might just play into some people's desire to relegate themselves to permanent victim status.

[KoKo]

54. Boortz has had a mole on here for ages. Remember when he was

quoting DU last year? Wasn't it the post by Starpass? There are plenty of websites with venomous postings about Reagan. Why DU? ...The Mole, that's why. Sheesh...like we care what that jerk thinks.

[MoonRiver]

64. There are a lot of moles here. Some have 1000+ posts.

The last few days have convinced me that DU is completely infested with them.

[ibegurpard]

67. Yeah. All those posters who want to downplay criticism of Reagan

by posters with thousand-plus post counts no less.

[progressivebydesign]

74. That is just inane..

People who want to "downplay criticism of Reagan" are trolls and moles? Hardly. Some of us have been here for 3 years now. AND, we hate to see the Democrats self-destruct by behaving like incontinent 2 year olds, having problems keeping their crap in when appropriate.

I resent being labelled as some Freeper type because I have human decency... something that is apparently in short supply here lately. Many of the most vile posters here are long time members.. and I suspect will be voting for Nader anyway. They are trolls of another species..

[Carolina]

86. "Democrats self-destruct

by behaving like incontinent 2 year olds, having problems keeping their crap in when appropriate."

Oh puhleeze, Democrats have been self destructing because of appeasement and wimpy mealy-mouthism, because of the DLC and failing to call the repuke assholes on their fascism which began UNDER REAGAN. What a few of us say here doesn't amount to a hill of beans because we're in our own little world. Most people don't even know who Boortz is, what DU is, etc ... and they don't care. Moreover if the 'infantile' posts you decry here have any negative influence on some alleged moderate, undecided voter, then that clueless idiot has been deaf, dumb and blind to the repuke vitriol for the past 12 years and to the lunacy of such policies as trickle down economics and war of choice. Such people probably weren't really on the fence anyway.

Boortz et al. are preaching to true believers. And I don't give a shit what the think.

[ibegurpard]

91. Don't like it?

Then don't indulge or condone the opposite. People who have very low opinions of Reagan and don't feel the need to observe decorum are not necessarily freepers or moles either.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

100. Where is your sense of "decency" when it comes to discussing...

...the human wreckage left behind by Reagan's policies?

You can "resent" anything you want, but you're the one that set yourself up as one to be looked at with suspicion. And speaking of "2 year olds", how do you think YOU'RE acting in this thread?

One more thing...most, if not all, of us who had the balls to call it like it is in regards to Reagan and his policies are going to be voting for Kerry in November. Who are YOU going to be voting for?

[leftofthedial]

119. "like incontinent 2 year olds, having problems keeping their crap in"

you mean like ronnie ray gun the last ten years?

Alzheimers is a horrible way to go, for the victim and for the family.

Still, he deserved worse. His victims didn't get to live to be 93. Thousands of them never made double digits. And they sure didn't breathe their last in the comfort of a Bel Air mansion.

To paraphrase Dutch himself, I have no recollection of being a vile poster or a troll of a different species.

Does that mean you forgive me now?

[PVnRT]

81. *rolling eyes(

They don't agree with me, therefore they are moles!

Brilliant reasoning, Mr. McCarthy.

[ibegurpard]

92. Funny

Since what I was replying to was stating the very same thing (just from the opposite point of view).

[jean]

17. thanks for the link - glad I missed it. Bad form. The worst form ever.

[frankly_fedup2]

18. Yep, that's one of them. I do not know why he cannot

come up with his own ideas for his show though. One would think he has been on the air long enough to write his own material.

I am NOT happy Reagan is dead. However, I think the main story everyday should be about our troops, how many were killed, and who they were and where they were from. They are not even honored when their bodies come home. Bush won't allow it and I'm sick of Bush.

As for Ronald Reagan, I hope he can finally rest in peace.

[progressivebydesign]

38. I guess it's the same as those who post FreeRepublic and Lucianne here.

I think it's the same mentality. It's like "see, see! See how much hate THOSE guys have over THERE??" When it appears that type of anger and hateful words are alive and well on those sites. It does make me pretty uncomfortable that DU appears to be moving further and further toward the FreeRepublic of the left. I've been here almost since the beginning, and I've seen it become co-opted by the most vocal, extremist, minority. Much of the useful dialogue is being replaced by attack dog mentality. The primary thread was a case in point.

I'm sorry for Ronald Reagan's friends and family. It's hard to lose anyone. No one is 100% evil or good. And someone loves most every single person that dies. We should be better than the posts I've read here since Saturday.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

103. And I've personally run out of cheeks for the rightwingers to kick...

...damn right I'm angry about what's been done to this country by the NeoCons in the name of patriotism, mom, and apple pie. I'm absolutely DISGUSTED by the appalling loss of life of ALL nationalities in the Middle East because of the Junior's continuation of the Reagan legacy.

And you're damn right I'm not going to take it anymore from the NeoCons. Piss on that. And I am ESPECIALLY not going to take it from weak-kneed Democrats like Daschle who whine pitifully every single time they see the raised rightwing newspaper.

Which kind of Democrat are you going to be?

[FleshCartoon]

59. So what?

You can't play nice with them. Either way, they'll twist what is said, be it logical or emotional.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, everyone. Some people think Reagan was a bad president and they are entitled to that opinion, just as some are entitled to think he was the best thing since sliced cheese.

I'm really surprised at the number of people on this forum who have posted reprimands to others who didn't like Reagan. It's wrong to tell others what they should or shouldn't think. Period.

[progressivebydesign]

76. No one has told someone NOT to like Reagan.. or not to criticize.

BUT.. people have been pleading with others on DU not to turn this into a vicious free-for-all against a dead man, who has loved ones. If I read any righteous criticism here about Reagan, that's fine. I have my own criticisms of the man. However.. unless most people who posted the vile attacks missed most of high school english class.. there is a HUGE difference between the word "criticize" and "attack".

It's one thing to say that you never liked him for what he did in the Iran/Contra affair, the AIDS epidemic, etc. I've said all that. It's another thing to act like a petulant 14 year old, saying things about "pissing on his grave", and drinking to celebrate his death.

It's about having 1) Class and dignity. Actually BEING a better person than those you believe to be a lesser person. 2) Common intelligence. Knowing that the childish, vile outbursts will be used against ALL Democrats in the upcoming election. We saw how well even the most well-intentioned political mood affected the election after Paul Wellstone's death.

No one, not one person, has stated here on DU that they LIKED Reagan.. or defended his record. What they have done, is ask for some fucking decorum around here.. lest we sink lower than Lucianne and FR on their WORST days.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

107. You don't like the word "attack"??? What the heck do you think has...

...been happening to the Democratic Party since Nixon took office?? We've been taking it in the shorts since the Nixon years, and all I hear from people like you is:

"Remember children, let's take the High Road and be all Nicey-Nice to the Republicans and at some point in time before Hell freezes over, they'll see the error of their ways and say something halfway decent to us."

The HECK wih that noise! It's time to fight back, because THAT is what the NeoCons FEAR the most! The one thing they are the most vocal about...Democrats being angry...is the thing that hurts them the most.

And as far as your last comment about the possibility that DU could ever "sink lower than Lucianne and FR on their WORST days", DU would have to work overtime for Eternity for that to EVER happen.

[FleshCartoon]

128. If expressing an opinion without managing to call names...

...or using profanity is not considered "fucking decorum" then I don't know what is.

I'm new to this board and logged on after hearing about Reagan's death on television only to find many threads honoring him and castigating people who expressed confusion and ire over those honoring him.

Sure some did a little typed-out jig over his death, but most of us haven't. I refuse to be made ashamed by anyone, whether it's someone I know or a stranger on a bulletin board, for not proclaiming Reagan to be the new messiah just because he has passed away.

I've said it before--I respect that he has a place in history because of his two terms as president, and I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's or death from it on anyone, but do not ask me to maintain a respectful silence about the propoganda I'm reading on this board, in the newspapers, and hearing on television concerning his public service. I didn't vote for him and I certainly voted against him--and would today if he were able to run for office. He hurt this country and paved the way for BushCo.

Neil, Rush, Ann, Sean, Bill--any of them who want to read this post on the air, go right ahead--I will claim it proudly as mine.

[sangh0]

68. mopaul's post - what a surprise

.

[LTR]

6. And now it starts...

...Starting with the so-called "Libertarian".

So Libertarian that even teh Libertarians want nothing to do with him.

Hey Neil, if you're reading this, BITE ME!!!

[bicentennial_baby]

10. Screw Boortz

That blowhard can bite my shiny metal ass, so to speak.

[Carolina]

87. tell 'em, bcb

All those RW blowhards can eat shit. Reagan was an awful president. His death doesn't change the destruction he caused or the legacy he spawned.
Saying so is not indecent. Sometimes the truth just STINKS.

[Forkboy]

95. shiny metal ass?

is there something we dont know about you? :D

[Malikshah]

117. Ahhh....Bender

We do miss you so!

[Zero Division]

11. So pathetic

<heavy sarcasm> OMFG!! Look at all the outrageous things being said on an Internet message board!!</heavy sarcasm>

[Cheswick2.0]

13. Bortz is a wrongwing ass

who cares what he reads to people nutty enough to listen to him?

[Lars39]

14. Does this Boortz guy really think that the only people saying the truth

about Reagan are here at DU? Doesn't he realize that there are millions of people in the US alone that are probably saying the same things that are being said here? Reagan screwed over too many people for them to all be contained here at DU.

[Blue-Jay]

15. Who cares what that Republican butt-snorkler says?

Ask him which Libertarian he's going to vote for in November?

That's what I thought, Neil, you pustulent sack of monkey nuts.

[Puglover]

99. ROFL

"buttsnorkler" can I use that?

[mopaul]

122. Niel "butt-snorkling pustulent sack of monkey nuts" Boortz....n/t

[kentuck]

16. If he can't outright lie....

then he'll just distort the hell out of the issue...

[SheepyMcSheepster]

19. Neil is a La La La La Liarr!

[Az]

20. Breaking News! Not everyone on the planet thought Reagan was a saint

Reagan deeply divided the nation. Those who liked him often did so in the extreme. But he manifested the opposite in people too. A lot of people hated Reagan. Real hatred. They hated what he did to this nation and they hated what he did to the rest of the world. They are citizens too and they have their opinion. And unless this nation has lost the last of it's rights they have the right to speak their mind.

[Snellius]

21. They can deify him all they want. Eventually they'll have to face the fact

They should read Edmund Morris's book, Reagan's "official" biographer. Even Morris couldn't pretend the man was anything other than a heavily cosmeticized act, a weird, self-idolized messiah of the right.

[Cannikin]

22. "I've waited for this day for 24 long years, now i'm celebrating"

That didnt take long at all. They took no time in jumping right on us!


Way to go MoPaul! You got us noticed! Wonder if you'll make Limbaugh's show too!

[TankLV]

72. I couldn't agree more - with Mopaul!

If you all don't like our opinions, you all can just shove it!

We are entirely justified in our anger and hatred of this vile mean person - and ample reasons for doing so!

[Carolina]

89. yep, count me in

too. Mopaul here's to you :toast: :pals:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

105. As far as I'm concerned, you can turn the other cheek...

...as often as you like. But, I'm fresh out of cheeks to turn, and I've been fresh out for quite some time. And the longer this Reagan-legacy madness perpetuated by the FratBoy Fuhrer continues, the angrier I get.

And you know what? I think quite a few Democrats have gotten angry and have decided to do something about it, other than whining like Daschle everytime the NeoCons give the Democrats some crap.

You don't like being noticed? You don't like being discovered in your little hidey-hole? Maybe you're in the wrong place. Try a quilting bee...it might be a lot less stressful for those like you that can't seem to handle political conflict.

[charlie105]

23. Yep, we made it to his website too...

http://boortz.com/


If you want to avoid the swamp, here's the text:

Do you remember what happend on November 9, 1989? That date will be forever tied to June 5, 2004, the day Ronald Reagan died. Before my show on Monday you ought to see what the loyal Democrats are saying on Democraticunderground.com. You'll find such postings as:
"The hysteric media outburst has already begun, his crimes against humanity notwithstanding. The blunt idiocy of that national self-deprecating spectacle makes me sick to my stomach. Other than that, I'll proceed to celebrate the news in private. For now. (Posted by NV1962)

[TankLV]

73. I see nothing wrong in that statement. In fact, it was downright TAME!

I would have been proud to have thought of that one too.

[Lex]

24. Not everybody thought Reagan was great.

In fact, some people thought he was a terrible president who did great harm to our country.

What's wrong with expressing that anyway?

[Say_What]

49. Count me among those who thought he SUCKED

I lived in California when he was governor. That was bad enough. When they announced he would run for president I was then living in Massachusetts--I honestly didn't think the American public would be that stupid--8 years later...

[Vickers]

25. Who the fuck is Neil Bortz? The guy who worked on the atomic bomb?

Oh wait, that's Niels Bohr.

Sorry!

[Armstead]

27. Sometimes I think DU stands for "duh"

Stupidity like spewing the most inflammatory, obscene and deliberately alienating pornohate you can write on a widely read public website is just stupid and shows a lack of common sense and common decency.

Yes, Boortz is a tool, and if he were honest he would have also cited all of those who called for an interval of respect for a president at the time of his death.

But nontheless, those who post such foul garbage ought to think about their motivations. It may be "fun" and an emotional release to spew your id in public, but you are doing much damage to more serious efforts to have our side taken seriously.

[Delano]

46. Hateful posts are inevitable.

Reagan's policies were horrible, even murderous. I doubt he was as bad as Dumbya, but he got the destruction of this country rolling. His scummy lackeys sold missiles to our terroist enemies to give money to right-wing death squads. He put thousands of homeless on the streets. He balooned the national debt. People look at that and see him as a villain, president or not. They are unable to see whatever good there might have been in the man. I don't blame them for feeling the way they do.

Personally, I don't feel that way about Ronnie. I do think he was a nice man who bought a bill of goods, like a lot of our relatives have. I won't miss him, but I'm not thrilled to see him go, and I'm sorrry that he and Nancy had to suffer all those years.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

50. We're in the minority asking people to grow up

[ibegurpard]

65. Oh, spare me.

Talk about self-serving hyperbole... your thread equating people who speak ill of Reagan to the Fred Phelps crew took the cake.

[kiahzero]

88. Not "speaking ill" - celebrating death.

The people celebrating Reagan's death, and Fred Phelps have one thing in common: they lack the simple human decency that would prevent someone from celebrating the death of another.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

108. And who are you exactly to lay claim on the phrase "human decency"?

[Carolina]

93. Hey, Arm, read Skinner

Our little posts on a site few know about are doing such damage??!!! Spare me. Meanwhile in the real world ...

When I tell people at Democratic Party functions about DU, I get that deer in the headlights look from active Dems, people in elected office. When I talk about cable punditocracy and its lies, I find that many don't watch the crap and hence don't know the players. AND DON'T CARE!

We do little damage here and if you think we're that important, that influential, well, no harm intended, but I think you give us too much credit.

We are

[buddhamama]

102. disagree on a couple of points

"...and if he were honest he would have also cited all of those who called for an interval of respect for a president at the time of his death."

ok. i disagree. Being a President alone does not qualify one for respect, not in my opinion anyway.
respect is given when earned and Reagan did nothing to earn my respect.

my second disagreement ties in with the same quoted statement.
i spoke very little of the MAN yesterday but when i did it was not to spew hate or cheer/celebrate his death.

your statement implies an either or situation.
if one spoke of the MAN in a negative fashion
they were being hateful. if they did not speak at all, they were one of the non-hateful. false dichotomy.

[leftofthedial]

123. "spew your id"

ooh. I like the sound of that.

[Ganja Ninja]

28. Legitimate criticism goes unnoticed, it's like water rolling off a ducks

back but spew some hatred and they will pick-up on it. I wonder why Neil has never ranted about some of the shit the RW posts about the Clinton's. Could it be that Neil is nothing more than a GOP shill in Libertarian clothing?

Congrats to mopaul for saying what we're all thinking.

[ibegurpard]

36. Which is why the all the hand-wringers annoy the hell out of me.

People like Boortz, if they couldn't find stuff to make DU look bad, would send people in to make it up. STOP (not just on DU but in general) EVALUATING YOUR BEHAVIOR BASED ON THE REACTION OF THE RIGHT WING! It doesn't MATTER how polite and nice you are; they view you as the enemy and that will not change.

[Vickers]

29. He's reading? Well, he's one up on the President*

:spank:

[Forkboy]

96. lol

:thumbsup:

[Carolina]

98. LOL

:evilgrin:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

109. Hey! Don't be talking about President Gore that way!....

:-)

[Mr_Scarecrow]

31. I'm sure Bortz and his Regurglican friends

will be very respectful when Bill Clinton dies.

[Timefortruth]

33. Like they were when Wellstone died.

Let's revive some freeper posts from that day.

Oh, nevermind.

BTW, did Bortz read all the RIP posts here?

[Liberal Classic]

32. This is like a bunch of kids

Standing behind a television reporter, waving and mouthing 'hi mom.'

LOL

[ibegurpard]

34. Hey Boortz!

Go fuck yourself and I got the warm fuzzies when I heard about your hero's demise!

[maggrwaggr]

37. I'm glad he makes money fanning the flames of hatred

that's all he's doing. You think he cares about anything other than his own $$$? Think he believes any of his own bullshit.

Nope. The guy has realized he can make money by spreading hatred, so that's what he does.

Same goes to the other fuckwads. Fame and fortune by bashing libruls.

[progressivebydesign]

82. Oh, I think we've cornered the market on hatred here this week. N/T

[Kahuna]

39. Surprise surprise!! ...... NOT!

I an totally prepared for this.

[mopaul]

41. for niel fartz................

[Judi Lynn]

84. Absolutely! Couldn't be more appropriate. Thanks to mopaul. n/t

[Delano]

42. Reading VERY SELECTIVELY, I'm sure.

Most of us deid not like or admire Reagan. Most of us won't miss him. But the vast majority of us are not gloating over his death, or his sad years with Alzheimers'. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.



Well, maybe Dumbya...

[EndElectoral]

43. Who cares? People who listen to Bortz are voting Republican anyway.

[Gman]

44. Hey Boortz...! Quote me!

Quote me.. pronounce it correctly: "G" as in "G...", "Man":

Fuck Reagan! The sorry SOB died an unindicted crimes against humanity criminal. That sorry bastard Reagan is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Central America. I'm sure you'll say I'm insane or something for claiming hundreds of thousands dead in Central America. You sorry bastard Boortz, Germany denied the Holocaust when it was happening and there's many just like you today that deny the Holocaust ever happened. Reagan should have rotted in prison at the Hague with his Alzheimers until he died.

Don't forget to throw in that I said Reagan had the most members of his administration indicted on felonies in American history, if you have the balls to do it.

Go ahead and say Gman said "Fuck Reagan".

[playahata1]

47. If it can be proven that what (Boor)tz is reading is NOT from DU,

can Skinner and Elad sue for libel?

[salin]

55. He is reading from DU

See post #5.

One of those thread titles intended to pull the attention of boortz etal. Hooray success oh what a great success has been achieved :eyes:

[moondust]

51. Neil can read?

Suppose he could teach the Bushman?

[BeachBuckeye]

52. While he happens to be speaking the truth today.....

he is the one of the most outrageous liars on the air. On our show we caught him in a string of huge lies and went on, at some length, to prove each accusation. One of his listeners heard our show and called him on the air and he preceded to disparage our show and say we were lying about him. One small point though.....he didn't respond to even one of the charges of lying we made towards him. He didn't because he could not for fear of being exposed as the prolific liar that he is.

So he happened to get one story right today. Big deal.

[LoZoccolo]

53. We-ull, he could probably find anything he wanted from the last few days.

Not like we didn't know.

[mopaul]

57. mo said something nasty, reagan sold arms to iran & lied under oath

[salin]

62. right... as if the legitimate criticisms

are the problem. Haven't seen critiques of those threads... just the vitriolic bile inducng self promoting threads that seem to be garnering attention.

[Name removed]

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

111. And you believe yourself to be a "mature, humanized, socialized" poster...

...because you participated in this thread?

Interesting approach.

[Servo300]

56. Is Boortz already on the air today?

I thought his show came on during the evening.....

[sadiesworld]

58. Maybe some of his casual listeners will actually log onto DU

and find out just how big a fraud St. Ron was.

His regular listeners are irredeemable anyway.

Not seeing the problem here.

[enki23]

60. there are plenty of "good riddance" posts

while i can't disagree with some of the sentiments, it's perhaps not wise to air them in public. giving ammo to the other side, and all that.

that said...

many of us are leftists and progressives, but we aren't all advocates of 'peace and love' all the time. there are things in this world worthy of hate, and there's no reason to feel shame for hating them. i hate george w bush. i disliked ronald reagan, what i can remember of him. but i hate his legacy. i hate, now, what i only poorly understood then. but by the time i learned to really hate what he'd done, he was only a vegetable. may as well say you hate a radish. it doesn't really matter.

anyway, i don't feel any grief in his passing either. i was one of those who fully agreed with the reagan bashing. i just didn't bother joining in. for any opinion, though, you'll find unsubtle advocates to shout about it. there would be no more use in trying to stop the flood of reagan-hate than trying to shut down the tides. you can't do it. they can't do the same for their own vociferous crowd either, so don't sweat it too much.

it may not be tactically smart to speak ill of the recent dead. but it's done. and there was never any way to stop people from doing it. there's no point, now, in apologizing for it. neil boortz wouldn't be impressed with your apology. he probably wouldn't bother to read it. that's not why he's here. he's just looking for ammo. there will *always* be someone around to provide it for people like him. and anyway, he's just a little fishie. boortz isn't a big deal, never was, never will be. he hasn't even had a chance to flop on TV yet, has he?

our problem isn't "making our side look bad." the people in control of the propaganda can always do that. failing all else, they'll just make something up. our problem is our weaker propaganda presence. we need to work on that. we're in the process of doing just that. du is part of it. air america is part of it. we're working on it.

anyway, fuck boortz. he's not worth the handwringing.

[Q]

61. It's your choice...

...but WHY do you listen to this clown? Or Limbaugh? Or any other of the RWing talking heads? It's too much like watching monkeys throw dung at the zoo. Why subject yourself to this...shit?

- Turn this crap off and listen to or read something positive.

[Misunderestimator]

66. I find it humorous that bortz would quote an open website such as DU

as if it represents all liberals... and having been offline all weekend, I'm also disappointed in seeing such vitriole about the dead. We probably all mainly agree on what we disagree with about Reagan's policies, but let's keep some level of grace here, no? At least for a short time? At the very least, I can admire Reagan for having APOLOGIZED for the Beirut bombing that left 260+ marines dead. He took the blame himself in a public address... and he did it with humility and eloquence.

To keep our perspective about who is the evil force now... can you imagine Bush taking blame for ANYTHING?

[Elidor]

70. Neil Boortz can eat my shorts

And so can DUers who wring their hands over what the talking heads will say about us.

[Borknagar]

78. Tell him to read this:

Fuck you Neal, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Drugaddict, and Sean Hannity.

[blindpig]

85. I will never forgive nor forget

the horrid legacy of raygun. Nixon was a monster but he didn't have a program other than selfpromotion. The Raygun program began what we have been brought to today and will be completed if bu$h is reselected this year. If that's not a reason to pass out the brickbats I don't know what is. Mountains of dead Central Americans, James Watt, a greedier more heartless America, yes sir, thanks a lot Ron! I spit on your grave.
Admittedly, a few of the references to his dementia were in questionable taste only due to their effect on family members of victims of that terrible condition. Otherwise, who cares what freepers think? The opinions of fools don't appear on my radar.

[peacetalksforall]

106. There is the human side and the leader side.

He was a human being gifted in a few ways. As a leader, he was a crook. A crook in control of our country - with his handlers and nothing good was done for the little people.

And if you don't like it, Neil, just talk faster.

[IranianDemocrat]

113. I'm glad neil is doing this, it shows the stupidity of some here.

Some here aren't willing to sacrifice their egos in order to oust bush in 04. Damn the people happy about reagan's death.

[SoCalDem]

120. The real problem, is that Boortz & his cronies have AIRTIME ..and

lots of it... to blast away at us... We have a few venues, and most of them are trying too hard to "be nice"..

We go after them with pop guns (on the air) and tey get out the stinger missiles to use on us..and they have almost 24/7 coverage..

That's the problem..

Death has a way of chastening people.. They may have been horrible people when they were alive, but when they get a terminal illness and/or die, their evil deeds are suddenly "taboo subjects"..

I really suspect that poor old ronnie, was a puppet, just as our sad little cowboy is now.. They are/were trotted out to spout soundbytes, and then back for their naps..

Ronnie was an ACTOR, who "played a role" ...He thought he was making the policy, but I think he was parroting what he was told, and just memorizing the lines..

He too was always in trouble when speaking extemporaneously,, He could inject a cute put-down or a catch phrase, but the times when he actually had to think on his feet , he was at a loss..

He was just a man.. He was born...he lived well...and now he has died.. He unfortunately, became a symbol for the "movement"...but I doubt that he really understood what it was about..

I did not like him..but I also did not hate him..

We get good presidents, and we get bad ones too..He was somewhere in the middle.

[Nlighten1]

121. Let's play "Gotcha!" Neil!

Come on you know you want to you piece of crap LIAR!

:)

[mitchum]

127. Neil, imagine how happy I'll be when YOU die!

Are they going to bury you with your suspiciously stained copy of "Atlas Shrugged"?

I hope that you choke on your fucking mike, Blather Boy