Yea, I knew George Soros was "a little shady"

[notbush]

but I've spent the last 2 hours reading, after I googled "crimes George Soros".
This guy scares the shit out of me....and I don't own a tin-foil hat.

[saracat]

1. But he is "ours"

And who cares where we get the money, as long as we win? Republicans never question the source of their money and they also never post disparaging remarks about major donors.That just isn't very smart.

[Selwynn]

6. God.. if this is what we stand for then I don't want to be associated.

That kind of attitude is the reason why am not a republican. If that's our attitude too, then I'm ashamed.

[saracat]

14. I just meant we shouldn't bite the hand that feeds us.

Soros has pledged his entire fortune to get rid of Bush .Surely that is something we can get behind , and maybe, be grateful for. Hoe about saying "thank you" instead of looking for ways to denigrate a generous donor?

[playahata1]

49. What are you looking for, ideological purity?

If we had to check the credentials of everyone who claimed left-of-center politics, there would be fewer people on this side. Just be glad this side has the people it has now.

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. How exactly do you plan to control Soro's political ambition if he plans

to get a return on his investment? He sounds pretty brash to me and I don't think Democrats needs to do much to look like they're involved with the same cronyistic practices that we hate in the Republican party.

[stavka]

50. ...Didn't many of James Bond's foes start out this way?

Does Soros have a plan to irradiate all the SUV's in America making them useless for 10,000 years, and thus bring his mad dream to fruition?

[LibertyorDeath]

2. Ok I'll bite what's so scary about Soros

[notbush]

4. It's late, Im not going to cut and paste.

It would be easier for you or anyone to just google "crimes George Soros".
Read every 10th hit.(Hell readum all, you'll be up allnight). See how good you feel about this man or his money.

[LibertyorDeath]

9. Fair enough

http://www.google.ca/search?q=crimes+George+Soros&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[mhr]

12. First Page Results For Google Search

George Soros - NS Profile NEIL CLARK / New Statesman 2jun03
... He faced charges of crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide, based in the main on the ... Few people have done to Budapest what George Soros has," gushed ...
www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/ George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG): George Soros: Prophet ...
... and Frank Carlucci, former defense secretary, George Bush, Sr ... Hague tribunal, co-financed by Soros along with ... He faced charges of crimes against humanity, war ...
www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TAL307A.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

The REAL POLICE Forum - george soros is a pompus ass.
... sponsored by billionaire Democratic benefactor George Soros (search) geared up ... do not have a choice." Is soros even an ... gear, but they didn't commit any crimes. ...
www.realpolice.net/forums/ showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=13573 - 46k - Cached - Similar pages

George Soros featured in The New York Times
... For the past decade, George Soros, the Hungarian ... Serbia and Croatia, Mr. Soros's foundations have ... with imprisonment or financial sanction for alleged crimes. ...
www.streetstories.com/gs_art7_12_97.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

Georgia on His Mind (George Soros's Potemkin revolution)
... in Tbilisi, is still maintained as a public museum, though the crimes of the ... This has left Georgia--and George Soros--with a one-leader, one-party government ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136261/posts - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Who is George $oros?
... the whole truth about the Iraq war" urges peace activists to support the "War on Terror" and ignores oil, Israel and war crimes. George Soros bribes peace ...
www.oilempire.us/soros.html - 66k - Cached - Similar pages

What makes George (Soros) tick?
... possess a videotape of Soros conspiring, or a hand-written diary admitting his crimes, before they ... What makes George Soros tick?....a black heart for starters. ...
209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1147546/posts - 30k - Cached - Similar pages

GEORGE SOROS, POSTMODERN VILLAIN by Srdja Trifkovic
... prosecutor of the Yugoslav war-crimes tribunal at ... Soros remains primarily committed to destroying the remaining ... real choice will be between George and Gyorgy ...
www.chroniclesmagazine.org/ Chronicles/February2004/0204Trifkovic.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

michel collon-la haya
... number of the War Crimes Tribunal lawyers come from the Coalition for International Justice, founded and financed by Š. Yes, you¹ve guessed ­ George Soros. ...
www.iespana.es/yugoslavia1918/collonsobrelahaya.htm - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Fourwinds10.com - News - Government > New World Order -- George ...
... US Decentralized Model for Philanthropy, George Soros' Open Society ... Grants," http://www.soros.org/repro ... In-Depth Report Documents Milosevic Crimes," April 2001 ...
www.fourwinds10.com/.../E-new-world-order/ 2003/05E-12-17-03-george-soros-imperial-wizard-double-agent.html - 64k - Cached - Similar pages

[saracat]

17. Mostly RW sources and "alleged"

You even have Freerepublic on this page. Gag.Once again a nice Thank you would be more appropriate than bashing!

[notbush]

18. OK, Now read ( or at least scan) every 10th or 20th hit.

18000 of um...might take a while.
Actually, after you read 7 or 8 of them, you'll probably understand.
I'm goin' to bed...Never should have started this thread this late.

[MI Cherie]

21. Google Crimes George Bush ...

546,000 of them!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=crimes+George+Bush&btnG=Google+Search

[still_one]

22. Do people even have any idea who is?

Neil Clark who wrote the New Stateman's weird celebratory defense of Slobodan Milosevic (Milosevic: Prisoner of Conscience.)

http://emperor.vwh.net/icdsm/more/nc.htm

[notbush]

25. I didn't say "read the first page of hits"

Please, Read (at least a little)

[pa28]

3. 334

That's pretty good.

[crossroads]

5. Yeah, why does he scare the sh*t out of ya...

:shrug:

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

7. No worries...

...I am sure there is an extra bag of Depends around somewhere now days.

B-)

[crossroads]

13. Good one!

:D

[rooboy]

8. I knew there was something sinister about George Soros and Google...

but you'll have to be more specific than that. Come on, show your patriotism and make a case for the good of the country...

[Romberry]

10. LOL! Whaddaya expect?

With Google terms like that you're bound to find exactly what you are looking for, if you know what I mean. Try Googling "crimes Bill Clinton" or "crimes Hillary Clinton" and tell me what you find. Do you understand my point?

[notbush]

11. Does anybody here after midnight read?

I suggested you google "crimes George Soros" and read a little.
DUH

[Forkboy]

15. You're making the charge

linking to a google search page is not support for your position.It's a lazyass debate technique.

DUH.

[crossroads]

16. OK, I see your point...

Hmmmm... Interesting, need to sleep on this and do some research...

~snip~

But all of this is just the tip of the iceberg. What of the NGOs Soros established and finances? Who are the other leaders of these groups? Clark informs us that at Human Rights Watch, for example, there is Morton Abramowitz, U.S. assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research from 1985-1989` and now a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations; Warren Zimmerman former ambassador “whose spell in Yugoslavia coincided with the break up of that country”; and Paul Goble, director of communications “at the CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which Soros also funds).”
According to Clark, Soros’ International Crisis Group “boasts such ‘independent’ luminaries as the former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinki and Richard Allen, as well as General Wesley Clark, once NATO supreme allied commander for Europe. The group’s vice-chairman is the former congressman Stephen Solarz, once described as ‘the Israel lobby’s chief legislative tactician on Capitol Hill’ and a signatory, along with the likes of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, to a notorious letter to President Clinton in 1998 calling for a ‘comprehensive political and military strategy for brining down Saddam and his regime’.”

So much for Soros’ opposition to Bush’s Iraq policies.
There’s more! Who are Soros’s business partners at the Carlyle Group---one of the world’s largest private equity funds, which makes most of this profit from defense contracts? They include the former secretary of state James Baker and Frank Carlucci, former defense secretary, George Bush, Sr, and “until recently, the estranged relatives of Osama BinLaden.” Soros has invested more than $100 million in Carlyle, Clark tells us.

He also points out that “Soros may not, as sometimes suggested, be a fully paid-up CIA agent. But that his corporations and NGOS are closely wrapped up in U.S. expansionism cannot seriously be doubted.”

~snip~

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TAL307A.html

[notbush]

19. I think you might be "getting it". If you spend a couple of

hours reading every 5th, 10th, or 20th hit. You will find that these come from many, many conventional and unconventional sources.
Interesting.
Goodnight.

[sangha]

55. Don't just sleep and read. You should also think about it

According to that excerpt, Soros is guilty of supporting the Iraq invasion based on the fact that one of the orgs Soros funds employs Stephen Solarz, who supported the Iraq invasion.

That's called "guilt by association" and it's pretty deceitful.

[crossroads]

20. Why did you have to start this thread so damn late?

Interesting stuff, but I got to get to bed...
This does call for more research... Thread is bookmarked...
:shrug:

[Wendigo]

23. So I pick one of those links at random, and what do I get?

An "Eastern European" magazine whose current front page is dedicated in toto to praising Reagan, with a banner ad at the top for "7th Annual Summer School: The High Christian Ages". Oh, puhleeeez.

[JI7]

24. Bush's friends and business parnters are terrorists

[notbush]

27. I won't disagree

But "the friend of my enemy is my friend"? I don't think so.

[notbush]

30. Jesus Christ, I am going to bed now

If some of you would take the time to actually READ the googled hits.
You will find that some are from questionable sources, some are irrelevant, and some will make you think.
Please, just read a little before you type.

[Jim Sagle]

26. Oo oo, I know. Let's google "crimes Bill Clinton".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=crimes+Bill+Clinton&btnG=Google+Search

Results: 332,000 hits.

Conclusion: This thread ain't nuthin' but shit.

[MetaTrope]

57. Google "George Bush alien lizard"

for 11,600 hits.

"Cathy writes of how George Bush was sitting in front of her in his office in Washington DC when, he opened a book at a page depicting lizard-like aliens from a far off, deep space place. Bush then claimed to be an 'alien' himself and appeared, before her eyes, to transform 'like a chameleon' into a reptile."

[MI Cherie]

28. Carlyle Group connections, too ...

... lookie here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=Carlyle+Group+George+Soros&btnG=Search

Very interesting!

[Name removed]

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[notbush]

31. READ THE RULES

I'm not a friggin' freeper....Take some time and read a little about "our friend" George Soros.

[BlackActivist]

37. Some people think the rules don't apply to them

Sort of like George Soros

[JI7]

38. more like George W Bush and the rest of his administration and family

[Name removed]

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[ibegurpard]

32. Hmmm

Of course no one could possibly have a reason to try to discredit the man, could they?

[JI7]

34. do a post history search

and you get an idea.

[ibegurpard]

35. I don't have to

my memory serves me well enough

[jpgray]

33. You made the claim--you back it up

We are not under any obligation to make your case for you. Post the information that 'scared the shit' out of you so we can evaluate it, or don't post an inflammatory thread--it is rude and lazy to ask DUers to sift through 300+ sites to find whatever tidbit happened to spawn this post.

[theoceansnerves]

36. give me

a fucking break.

[Bridget Burke]

39. Ever heard of "writing"?

You know, sentences, paragraphs, that stuff? Come to some conclusions, back them up with reputable sources. That's how to get an idea across.

Alternate research method: Use DU "Search" on a poster's name as "Author". (If one's memory fails; mine hasn't.)

You guys are really scared of Soros, aren't you?

[gandalf]

40. This belongs to the DU Lounge!

You describe emotions you have when you think of a special person. Is that a political discussion? Rather not. Your post does not contain any information on Soros.

Why don't you include some facts about him that justifies your view? I know there are some.

[tkmorris]

42. Nah, not the lounge

More like the DU mosh pit.

[Jose Diablo]

41. As a progressive

I would not 'trust' Soros. I know, we want to believe somebody 'on the other side' wants to be a 'true blue' patriot. Do not believe it.

Rather use the sucker shamelessly for whatever he offers, but keep the cards close to the chest.

He no more cares about America than any other international operator.

So he throws a few bones to the democrats. It would be like be taking table scraps and feeding the dog.

Soros is NOT a friend in our cause, but he can be an untrusted resource, to use until he figures out it won't work what he is trying to do.

[Vladimir]

43. Thank god somebody here knows

how to play this game - although one wonders if Kerry will be able to so easily discard Soros as you may like after the money's been spent. But honestly, the level of romanticization of candidates and philantropists like Soros never ceases to amaze me. If people here think that just because he opposes Bush he is automatically whiter-than-white, that's... well its just plain silly.

Soros is rich. Ergo he has pulled shady deals. 1+1=2.

[sangha]

59. Fighting fire with fire

How laughable is it that Vladmir criticizes the "simple thinking" of people who think Soros is good, followed by a "Soros is rich. Ergo he has pulled shady deals. 1+1=2"?

That's some real deep thinking there, Vladmir

[GSL]

44. An interesting study, actually

Google the following:

crimes Ronald Reagan: 102,000 hits
crimes George Soros: 18,300 hits
crimes Bill Clinton: 335,000 hits
crimes George Washington: 505,000 hits
crimes Mother Theresa: 41,700 hits

From which we can infer:

1. George Washington was nearly 30 times the criminal that George Soros is.
2. George Soros is less than half the criminal that Mother Theresa was.
3. Google may not be the most accurate background check

[Vladimir]

46. LOL

crimes Pope John Paul gets 107,000 hits!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[GSL]

48. God gets 2,190,000!

This is bad...

[Just Me]

58. Hilarious!!!

Welcome to DU, GSL!!! :hi:

:yourock:

[indigobusiness]

45. I'd trade George W for George S, any day

Soros is a fine man...get a grip.



http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/

[LTR]

51. Suspect background, but the GOP's benefactors are far worse!

True, Soros did bail out Dubya in Harkin. And he was a member of the Carlyle Group. Nobody really knows what his motives really are.

But I think Soros is a little less sleazy than some of the GOP sugar daddies. Hmmm...let's take a good hard look at some of them, shall we?

Sun Myung Moon - Cult leader (Unification Church). Loathed by the fundies until he bailed out Jerry Falwell's struggling empire, then had a problem removing Jerry's lips from his groin.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/sun-myung-moon/


Speaking of Jerry, I wonder if he's ever heard of the concept of 'seperation of church and state'?

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/televangelists/jerry-falwell/

As an added bonus, here's his partner in grime, Pat Robertson:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/televangelists/pat-robertson/

Both of these guys have funelled millions of dollars to GOP causes by bilking thier followers.



Okay, this guy's dead, but he did oh so much for the Nixon/Reagan/Bush election efforts. Got some jail time, and tried to buy a pardon. His name? Armand Hammer.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/armand-hammer/


With friends like Ken Lay, who really needs enemies?

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/corporate/enron/

A few others worth pointing out:

Richard Mellon Sciafe has thrown millions of dollars at ridiculous efforts to slander Bill Clinton. His objective was to overthrow a presidency. Hmmm... Isn't that treason?

Of course, we all know Diebold, right? Just how ethical is it to buy voting machines from one of Bush's biggest fundraisers?

And finally, since we have cult leaders and shady businessmen, why not one that effectively combines the two? Ever hear of Rich DeVos? He's the guy who owns the MLM cult known as Amway. And he's a big GOP contributor, one of the biggest.


Now I wonder, why isn't Bill O'Cryly going after THESE guys? After all, he does claim to be a 'fair and balanced' moderate, right?

[LTR]

60. ^^^^^All the ammo you need to counter Soros bashers above^^^^^^^

See Post #51.

I'd save this stuff and use it on any RW boards you frequent.

[gulliver]

53. Bullsh*t smear post. n/t

[sangha]

54. Yep! Nothing but innuendo

Not one fact mentioned

[HootieMcBoob]

56. would you rather have

Soro's money to get Bush* out of office or Scaife's money to keep him in?

[Name removed]

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[PATRICK]

62. the most avoided observation

That Soros himself and the articles constantly mention his WWII experiences and never blare the obvious connection that Soros considers himself warring- with good cause from personal memory- against the neo-fascist resurgence typified by the WH. NEVER does the media or his opponents get near the obvious subtext. Soros himself does not often cross that thin line into applying "the label" that most motivates his current activism.

Instead in his speeches he uses other stronger, equally valid concerns for the environment, global justice, the economy. He is no theoretical expert on some of these issues, except the economic, whose causes he champions, but theses are equally life and death and freedom issues.

In other words, whatever his background he has taken up the political crusade as a personal emotional cause. I think, once the neos have been taken down in flames, he would not continue on some equally grandiose Mr. Big plan to rule the world from the other side.

I can't escape the feeling(though the media can by not printing it) that his passion is constantly overboiling with memories of those other fun-loving neocons from Nazi Germany. It IS happening here. This common cause and the other, ideal America is what is moving him in this realm. All the "other stuff", as mammoth as his money operations are, comprise the search for some other talking point by the Right.