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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:27 AM
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Odd, blackout hits when NYSE closes for the day
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 12:28 AM by Lori Price CLG
Cheney waxed poetic in 2001 on how the power grid needed to be replaced (ironically, noticed on Freerepublic board)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20010613.html

Vice pResident Cheney:

U.S. Energy Association Efficiency Forum Washington, D.C. June 13, 2001

"The report we issued last month presented more than 100 recommendations covering virtually the entire range of concerns that face the American people. One of the concerns, obviously, is the aging power grid and the growing problem that we have in getting electricity from the power plant to the light switch. It's clear that we must upgrade and expand the power grid. If we put more connections in place, we'll go a long way towards avoiding future blackouts. Another broad aim is to increase energy supplies from diverse sources; from oil and gas, renewables, coal, hydro and nuclear. This is the kind of balanced approach we think is essential if we're going to meet the country's energy needs down the road and take care of many of our other concerns, especially with respect to the environment."

The Idiot Usurper, in his 'live' media conference, referred to the blackouts as 'rolling blackouts'. Those are typically planned.

The blackout waited until the U.S. stock market was closed (normal trading hours) so capitalism wasn't disrupted.

How can the 'powers that be' KNOW the blackout is not an act of terrorism, without knowing the cause of the blackout? They would have to KNOW the actual cause, in order to 'rule out' terrorism, correct?

-Lori
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:30 AM
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1. dont tell me
Halliburton services power grids ? and they will do it with "no bid" contracts ?

Gee, that would be quite a cooincidence.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:31 AM
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2. I was just mentioning on another thread
That I am wondering if this was not a dry run for some sort of gaming strategy for the deregulating NY Upstate market.
That would explain why the president was so unprepared to make a coherent statement, because they were still getting the cover story right.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:40 AM
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4. Yeah. And that New England wind farm story is supposed to make
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 12:43 AM by Dover
wind energy unattractive as an option. "Ewwww, we don't want THAT in our backyards!". That is not one of the Bushies's solutions for their false crisis.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 12:38 AM
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3. Was that before or after they created the false energy crisis for Calif?
Edited on Fri Aug-15-03 12:47 AM by Dover
Or the phony budget crisis in the States?
Or the phony war?


I can hardly keep up!

Bush said tonight that he has been saying the infrastructure needs modernizing for some time now....

Since when does modernizing require a backslide? They keep creating false crisis and painting a false reality, and we keep buying it.
"ooooooo....ahhhhhh!" Who's the idiot?!
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 02:08 AM
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5. Several possible plots. 1 - privatize the electricity in the
US. Need to get Enron back on it's feet.

2. This is occured to me as one of my customers noted his web site is down. Could this have also been a test to see how they could distrupt the internet? I guess that's the problem living in a science fiction movie, the plots just get worse
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skyzics Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-03 03:36 AM
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6. It is well known how delicate the power grid is..
Especially in a heatwave in the late afternoon when the system is stretched to near the limit. One local malfunction is all it takes for the grid to start shutting down.

From today's WSWS article on the subjects..(with interesting article links to the California 'rolling blackout' fiasco and Davis's role there):

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The human costs of the massive power failure are still being tallied. But the suffering and anxiety faced by millions of ordinary working people stands in stark contrast to the preoccupations of the political elite. After ruling out the possibility of a terrorist attack, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg blandly advised those left without transport and caught in traffic to stay calm and go home, open windows and drink plenty of liquids. He was greeted with loud boos from a crowd of pedestrians when he ventured onto the streets, accompanied by security and the media to close off the Brooklyn Bridge.

Ensconced in a hotel in San Diego, President Bush maintained a complete silence for hours before issuing a perfunctory statement, declaring that federal officials were working alongside state and local emergency services to cope with the problems. Claiming that emergency services were “better organised” since September 11, he remarked that it “has been remarkable to watch on TV” how calmly people reacted. Only some time later did Bush feel the need to respond to the implications of this catastrophic infrastructure failure, saying that perhaps the power grid would need to be “modernised”. His staff indicated that the president did not intend to cut short his fund-raising trip to California.

The immediate cause of the blackout has yet to be identified. But officials in Canada and the US have been quick to point the finger at others. A spokesperson for New York Governor Pataki declared that the reason for the outage was “a possible transmission problem from Canada to the US”. Canadian officials, on the other hand, thought that a lightning strike on a power plant in the Niagara region--on the US side of the border--had been responsible. In the Niagara area, power station operators denied there had been any problems.

In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg also blamed a power failure in the Niagara Mohawk area--outside his immediate area of responsibility. “It was probably a natural occurrence which disrupted the power system up there and it apparently for reasons we don’t know cascaded down through New York state over into Connecticut, as far south as New Jersey and as far west as Ohio,” he said. He dismissed persistent rumours that a fire in a Manhattan power station had caused the blackout, saying that the smoke had been the result of a controlled shutdown of the plant.

Regardless of what triggered the disastrous blackout, its underlying causes are well known and have been warned about for years. Privatisation, mergers, costcutting and restructuring have resulted in a lack of investment in new plant and maintenance. As a consequence, the various power grids across the US have become increasingly unstable, particularly at times of high demand such as during heat waves. Any fault in one plant or at one point in the transmission system creates a cascading effect as one station after another shuts down automatically to avoid dangerous overloading.

Rest: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/elec-a15.shtml


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