More Net meanderings: Frigid Women Are Usually Feminists

[prolesunited]

Marie N. Robinson MD, a Cornell educated psychiatrist devoted her New York City practice to the treatment of frigidity. Her book, The Power of Sexual Surrender (1958) is a revealing study of the feminine psyche. It is out-of-print. Why? It is politically incorrect.

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The feminist-Victorian antagonism to men was handed down from mother to daughter so that "to millions of women, hostility towards the opposite sex seems almost a natural law. Although many a modern women may pay lip service to the ideal of a passionate and productive marriage to a man, underneath she deeply resents her role, conceives of the male as fundamentally hostile to her, as an exploiter of her. She wishes in her deepest heart, and often without the slightest awareness of the fact, to supplant him, to exchange roles with him."

<snip>

I argue that woman wants love and man wants power. A woman who seeks power will not receive love from a man. She cannot love. He cannot love her. This is the dilemma of feminists today. As Marie N. Robinson confirms, woman loves by entrusting her power to the right man. He uses it to champion her interests. Thus she both empowers him and channels male power in a socially constructive direction. A woman's real power is love, the power of self surrender.

http://www.savethemales.ca/000441.html


Anyone care to take this one on? :evilgrin:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

1. Not this again!

I'm old enough to remember the pre-feminist era, and it was the traditional, submissive women who told their daughters that sex was an ordeal that one had to put up with in order to have children. In that world, women who enjoyed sex were "bad."

I'm with the French on this one: "There are no frigid women, only clumsy men.

The selections you quote were undoubtedly posted by some of those clumsy men.

[prolesunited]

9. Well, the book he is sourcing

was published in 1958, so apparently he has very fond memories of it as well. Apparently, Stepford Wives is a utopian vision for him. :puke:

[Heddi]

11. Well because in Stepford, I'm sure

that there are no Jews, Communists, Socialists, Feminists, or Homosexuals.

I'm still cruising his site...barf-bag handy.

What a fucking LOO-NEE-TOON

[SuffragetteSal]

23. LOL

Lydialeftcoast...I want a bumper sticker that says that!

[Warpy]

25. Right, clumsy oafs who bought Freud's rubbish

lock stock and misunderstanding. After all, Freud refused to believe that his peers were capable of molesting their daughters, and thus came up with the hilarious Electra complex.

We've made enough progress in mapping the brain and discovering some of the chemical pumps within it that much of Freud is obsolete. I'd avoid using books like this as a source for anything but an illustration of how wrong otherwise intelligent males can be when they puzzle about what women want without ever asking them.

[Heddi]

2. Yeah. Right

I don't know...I don't know if I'd trust a website called "save the males" to offer anything remotely constructive (or remotely ACCURATE) about Women, their needs, desires, or wishes.

I've not seen the website in full (only the page linked), but for some reason I have a feeling this guy truly believes that women are the source of all evil in men's lives, that women aren't discriminated against, and that little honey wouldn't have to worry about so-called "Sexual Harassment" if she'd start being more feminine, stayed in the kitchen and cooked and squirted out babies every 9 months like normal wimmen do :eyes:

[Heddi]

5. More from this utterly enlightning site:

This guy has a REAL hangup with Communists and Feminists (and a bit o' hangup on Homosexuality, it seems):




CONCLUSION: WOMEN WANT GOD FEARING MEN

We live in a world controlled by sick evil people determined to steal our birthright and that of our children. They arrest our development by promoting dysfunctional attitudes to love and sex using the media and social engineering (i.e. Feminism, Homosexuality etc.)

Women are caught in this trap as well. We won't escape by trying to please them. Men have to have a positive vision of life and enlist them. Women can't love needy men.

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Betty Friedan, the "founder of modern feminism" pretended to be a typical 1950's American mother who had a "revelation" that women like her were exploited and should seek independence and self-fulfillment in career.

What Friedan (nee: Betty Naomi Goldstein) didn't say is that she had been a Communist propagandist since her student days at Smith College (1938-1942) and that the destruction of the family has always been central to the Communist plan for world government. See "The Communist Manifesto" (1848).

Friedan dropped out of grad school to become a reporter for a Communist news service. From 1946 -1952 she worked for the newspaper of the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, (UE) "the largest Communist-led institution of any kind in the United States." In 1947, Congress targeted the UE as a Communist front and its membership began a steady decline.

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The disconcerting answer is that monopoly capitalists are behind both Communism and Feminism and use them to undermine the political and cultural institutions of Western Civilization.

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"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."

Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings.

--

Feminism has done the most damage. There is no more fundamental yet delicate relationship in society than male and female. On it depends the family, the red blood cell of society. Nobody with the interests of society at heart would try to divide men and women. Yet the lie that men have exploited women has become the official orthodoxy.

Man loves woman. His first instinct is to nurture ("husband") and see her thrive. When a woman is happy, she is beautiful. Sure, some men are abusive. But the vast majority have supported and guided their families for millennium.

Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere "stereotypes." This is a vicious calumny on all heterosexuals, 95% of the population. Talk about hate! Yet it is taught to children in elementary schools! It is echoed in the media. Lesbians like Rosie O'Donnell are advanced as role models.

All of this is calculated to create personal confusion and sow chaos among heterosexuals. As a result, millions of American males are emasculated and divorced from their relationship to family (the world and the future.) The American woman has been hoodwinked into investing herself in a mundane career instead of the timeless love of her husband and children. Many women have become temperamentally unfit to be wives and mothers. People, who are isolated and alone, stunted and love-starved, are easy to fool and manipulate. Without the healthy influence of two loving parents, so are their children.

Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite. It is designed to weaken the American social and cultural fabric in order to introduce a friendly fascist New World Order. Its advocates are sanctimonious charlatans who have grown rich and powerful from it. They include a whole class of liars and moral cripples who work for the elite in various capacities: government, education and the media. These imposters ought to be exposed and ridiculed.

Women's oppression is a lie. Sex roles were never as rigid as feminists would have us believe. My mother had a successful business in the 1950's importing watchstraps from Switzerland. When my father's income increased, she was content to quit and concentrate on the children. Women were free to pursue careers if they wanted to. The difference was that their role as wife and mother was understood, and socially validated, as it should be.
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Whoah.

[tigereye]

38. Christ this guy is making 50 year old arguments

at least. Freud is pretty much out, at least in most of the psych community. And feminism is in at least it's 4-5th wave. I guess. Gloria Steinem as a CIA spy - you've got to be kidding. When are these guys going to figure out that it is too late? The genie is out of the bottle. No one is going back. ( well many women are still there all around the world and we need to get them out, but that is a whole nother wave)

SHEESH - WHO THINKS UP THIS CRAP!

[havocmom]

3. My sister is a very powerful woman and men have fallen all over themselves

trying to gain her affection over the decades! And she has a husband who absolutely adores her.

I know lots of women who are called feminist(because they won't be doormats) who really enjoy healthy relationships with their men. Yeah, they just didn't get the memo I guess.

How's Rush's love life? :evilgrin:

[Mountainman]

4. I remember when it became OK to say that women enjoyed sex.

And that they would instigate sexual activity. All the time women knew it but men didn't unless they were in relationships where the woman taught the man rather than the other way around.

I remember when men were taught to give pleasure rather than seek it only.

I am really glad for feminists for making sex more enjoyable for everyone.

[Book Lover]

6. More likely

it is out of print because it was published nearly 50 years ago by Doubleday, now part of Random House.

[Heddi]

7. The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka

http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html

On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.

Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini.

One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations."

The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.

I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me.

For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her.

It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.

The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband.

In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time.

In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.)

---snip---

Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother.

---snip---
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate.

Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority.

Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.

I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.

[Mountainman]

12. They is nothing wrong with being naked.

To buy that crap you would have to say that god/goddess makes mistakes.

A burka is a sign of forced dominance.

[Heddi]

16. oh not according to that beacon-of-light dude

To him, being in a burka shows the commmittment a woman has to her family and husband, and the distaste she finds in herself. Because only feminists would be able to find a woman's body sexy. I mean, who ever heard of looking at a vagina? breasts? :sarcasm:

I think this man probably has sex through a hole in the sheet with the lights off---you know, he's buying into the Feminist commie agenda should he look at a woman that's not shrouded in head to toe, saving herself for her husband and children adn dirty kitchen floors that can never be clean enough

[prolesunited]

13. Yes, he is VERY over the top

I just thought it was so ridiculous that his rantings deserved to be mocked. Frightening that so many still espouse this kind of nonsense. Unless he fabricated his fan mail, he apparently has some followers. :scared:

Wonder why all the endangered males are staying away from this thread, though. :P

[tigereye]

39. proles you trickster

this stuff still scares some guys, I think. Not most of the enlightened men here, though. ;)

[Warpy]

26. Check out how much raising children pays.

Check out how much being a man's domestic servant pays. Check out the retirement benefits.

Sorry, buddy, but if you admire what the burqa represents, you're exposing your own sense of entitlement to the unpaid labor of women.

It's not going to work that way here.

[Kat45]

44. Weird. I read that burka/bikini thing very recently, but I don't know

this website. Now it's going to be bugging me trying to figure out where I read it. I wonder if someone stole it from there? :shrug:

[Heddi]

8. "Domestic Violence Laws Are Designed To Kill Families"

http://www.savethemales.ca/030402.html

Social pathology (destabilization) is the elite agenda. Young men and women are taught that heterosexual roles are "stereotypes" while homosexuality is "natural." Feminists deliberately alienate married women from their husbands. Domestic violence laws are designed to kill families. They prevent men from exercising the leadership and authority that women actually crave.


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Proof that this man is clinically insane

[Heddi]

10. Hitler Didn't Want World War

http://www.savethemales.ca/000369.html

...Nonetheless we should understand that our view of Hitler is influenced by propaganda. The Allies were also guilty of atrocities and war crimes. Furthermore, Hitler was created, manipulated and destroyed by the same Illuminist clique that runs the world today.

....

The winners write history. Our view of Hitler and the Second World War is largely a Jewish view. I am only beginning this research and will happily admit my errors. These are my tentative conclusions:

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[prolesunited]

14. BTW, he not only hates

women. He reserves plenty of venom for the Jews as well. In response to someone's letter he says that although he has no proof, they may enjoy eating Christian babies as stated in the Elders of Zion.

[Heddi]

15. yeah I'm reading through all the ANti-Jewish crap now

but I find it interestingly interesting that he prefaces every Anti-Jew, Anti-Semitic peice with "My mother's parents were Jewish, and were killed by Hitler....but you know...Hitler isn't such a bad guy. Just tainted by propaganda....you know...he drank beer like all of us. Hey, at least he made the trains run on time, which is more than I can say for Commie Feminist Illuminati-types"


I see at the bottom of his pages it says he invented the game "Scruples"----which is a game I've never owned, nor have I ever played, and will make sure such garbage never makes its way into my house.

I can only IMAGINE the questions...

"Which would you rather do: Take a bullet for a uterus-hating, penis-envying, man-killing Feminist who has no need to fulfill her god-ordained duty to be a walking Vagina to every man on the planet and be beaten when she doesn't surrender, or take a bullet for a money-hoarding, earth-ruling, baby-blood-drinking Jew bastard who would sell you to satan without even blinking an eye?"

:eyes:

[Cheswick2.0]

17. What a looney site

Yup, all us feminists are frigid. That's the ticket.

[Cleita]

18. ROFLMAO.

No, I don't care to take this one on. I couldn't do it with a straight face. This is too funny. Thanks for the laugh.:7 :7 :7

[Susang]

19. Well, isn't that amusing?

We're either sex-crazed fiends or castrating bitches.

Does she mention anywhere in her book that most sex researchers (men included) have found that women orgasm best in the "power" position of being on top? Irony!

[Hoping4Change]

20. Check out Makow book's about submissive mail order bride

http://alongwaytogoforadate.netfirms.com/book.html

[Kathy in Cambridge]

21. I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to show up

and start bashing feminism. :eyes:

[Cheswick2.0]

22. 5 4 3 2 1................

blast off

[Heddi]

24. I know...anxiously awaiting myself

but alas, I'm off for a Pap-smear----someone save any comments that could be deleted by mods ha ha. I'd LOVE to hear ANY justification for this dude's comments. ANY justification.

I just can't get over the "domestic violence laws are designed to kill families' bit and how women SEEK OUT AND CRAVE 'domination' from men.

Hey---my mom was a total co-dependent, but I don't remember her ever CRAVING to have her face treated like a punching bag. I never heard her ask my step-dad to PLEASE PLEASE slam her head repeatedly into the oven hood until the hood broke in half.

I never heard that.

But then again, my mom was probably some feminist dyke bitch who deserved to get slapped around.

I'm cruising the site looking for some justification of rape. I know it's in there somewhere. It HAS to be.... ..."...women secretly desire having their anal sphincters torn during violent, unconsentual anal sex. They secretly lust for a stranger's penis to force its way into her slutty vagina.....she usually lusts for Jew and communist penis, for those heathen tools are the only phalluses that can satisfy her satanic lesbian cravings..."

[Lestat]

27. I'm not going to say a thing about this.

I'll probably get in trouble if I do.

[prolesunited]

33. Your amongst friends

Feel free to share. Surely you have an opinion on feminists.

[Cheswick2.0]

28. Did this guy lose his penis in an unfortunate blow job accident?

Read this:

The Dawn of the Feminist Police State
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
September 9, 2001

In the opening scenes of The Philadelphia Story (1940) Cary Grant is leaving his wife played by Katherine Hepburn. She breaks his favorite golf club over her knee. He reacts by throwing her to the ground. The 1940's audience thought nothing of it. But today, Katherine Hepburn, or a neighbor, could call the police and have Cary Grant arrested for "domestic assault." Today no man can annoy a woman, let alone leave her, for fear of charges (real or false) that may result in jail, legal bills, and the loss of family, property and even job.

These onerous penalties are the result of the "zero tolerance policy" that many cities have adopted due to pressure from feminist activists. The policy states that any physical contact, even a tug on a sleeve, is "domestic assault." The charge is made by the state, not by the victim. Ostensibly this policy is designed to protect women from violent abuse but in fact, women are arrested too. The real effect and purpose is to politicize domestic relationships and to persecute normal heterosexual activity.

In Winnipeg, Canada, where I live, approximately half the 1200 man police force is permanently engaged in answering domestic calls. "To me that statistic is staggering," police Chief Jack Ewatski, told the Winnipeg Free Press (July 20). "It puts a significant stress on our ability to police the city in other areas." In this city of 600,000, almost half the inmates at the local "Remand Center" are there for so called "domestics."

This is just bizarre. It's not men's fault that they get arrested for domestic abuse. They aren't really beating these women. :eyes:

[SOteric]

29. !

[SmokingJacket]

30. Data? Evidence?

Maybe her book is out of print because it's a bunch of pretty useless generalities. That's what it sounds like from here.

[bemildred]

31. "Frigid" is a pejorative term.

This is sexist drivel.
Somewhat akin to saying that Uppity Ni..ers are usually civil
rights activists.

There is NO requirement that a woman hook up with a man to have
a useful and meaningful life. This does not mean that many do not
find that a good thing to do, but it is not required. Get over it.

[mzmolly]

32. Pardon me whilst I ...

:puke:

[stevedeshazer]

34. Wooo! Too sexy for me....

"For a profound vaginal orgasm, Robinson writes, "the excitement comes from the act of surrender. There is a tremendous surging physical ecstasy in the yielding itself, in the feeling of being the passive instrument of another person..." (158) "

Gimme that passive instrument, baby. That's what I'm lookin' for. Get excited and surrender! YA BABY! Surging physical ecstasy in the yielding itself...

Woops, gotta go, here comes the wife...

[Cheswick2.0]

35. LOl

so you are saying your wife is not passive enough?

[stevedeshazer]

36. She doesn't gracefully submit

It ain't the fifties no more, Mrs. Cleaver. Not that it's a bad thing....That's all I'm sayin'. :)

[tigereye]

40. JESU!

too much!

oops response was to the concept of the huge surrendering orgasm. Egad.

[cheezus]

37. Acecdotal evidence to the contrary

My wife is a huge feminist, and she's about as unfridgid as you can get and still be legal

[Cheswick2.0]

41. First we were all lesbians, then we were nazis, now we are frigid too

I am so cornfused! :cry:

[Cleita]

42. Gosh! Maybe they will finally accuse us of *shiver* becoming

men.:wow:

[Cheswick2.0]

45. That's it.... Penis transplants

bwwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha. :freak:

[sendero]

43. If you have...

... a great sex life, then who cares about these ideas. If you don't, maybe you should examine your underlying assumptions.