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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:00 PM Original message |
Am I the only fan here of Occam's razor? |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. There are at least two of us. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Three |
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Darth_Ole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Four! |
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Arianrhod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
60. How can anyone be a "fan" of a philosophical theory? |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. Diehard skeptic here |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. MIHOP is definitely invalidated by Occam's Razor |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Actually, no, I disagree |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. MIHOP is invalidated by Ben Franklin |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. OK, but |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
70. 9/11 is invalidated by Ben Franklin. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Amen my friend |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
69. Bullshit. Would it be simpler to rob Fort Knox with or without inside help |
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KFC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
117. Strawman |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 09:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Hear, Hear friend! |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. Here's another one. |
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donhakman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Read seven days in May |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. You are proving the point here |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I don't think we're as small as you think |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
72. In the case of Berg, the simplest explantion is that Berg's gangster |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. "Never attribute to malice that which can be perfectly well explained |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Why? Why is incredible stupidity more believable than consistent |
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TomNickell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
111. Incredible stupidity is far more common. |
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. Occam's razor is a logical fallacy |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. It's not supposed to be a deductive, logical rule. |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. re: most likely |
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disinfo_guy (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. "most likely" can be quantified |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. It's not a *logical* anything--just very good advice |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. That's a nifty line. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. There is no way to apply it absolutely |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
104. Theories have to be complex enough to explain observed facts |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Is that the new one that has the battery in it? |
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justjones (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
17. I've always said, it's either LIHOP/MIHOP or utter and total incompetence. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
20. It doesn't apply well to social science. |
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Durtal (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. Using Occam's Razor hardly rules out LIHOP/MIHOP |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. excellent Durtal |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. But is it more plausible that so many were informed of the |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. shaky reasoning |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
73. His reasoning was clear. Yours is shakey. |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 10:23 AM Response to Reply #73 |
82. why weigh in when you have no understanding of the concepts at issue? |
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Durtal (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Response to troublemaker |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. The condescension was earned |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. In this case, complicity *simply* fits the evidence better than |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. If you are talking about Occam's Razor in the narrowest sense |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Inside jobs are always easier to pull off. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. But exceptional events *do* tend to have exceptional causes |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. about planes being hijacked constantly |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. The trouble is that we don't really know how hard 911 was to carry out |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
92. And NOTHING explains the lies |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
102. "They are Liars" would seem to explain it just fine. |
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muffin_man (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. Fanboy here |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
77. Hi muffin_man!! |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. Can I just say that it warms my heart to see |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's hardly a law of nature |
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donhakman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. No one has ever lost money |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yes, I'm part of the master plot. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
74. No, you're just ignorant because you are trying to use Occam's Razor |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. It is indeed NOT a law of nature |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
97. Well said, Cheswick |
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disinfo_guy (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
32. yes, all the rest of us are crazy conspiracy theorists |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Glad you're coming around |
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JPJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. Sounds like LIHOV |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Nice! (nt) |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
75. The planes got too spaced out in time. This allowed 93's passengers |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
98. You misunderestimate the goals -- it wasn't to be heroes |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. Forget MIHOP, LIHOP, or Laziness; Try INDIFFERENCE |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 09:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Could be an example of Inattentive Blindness??? |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. I didn't intend for this thread to be LIHOP/MIHOP. |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Occam's Razor says your intentions don't determine the nature of respo |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Here, here!!!! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
39. I know nothing of razors. I haven't shaved since Aug 22 |
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CaptainClark23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
43. Occam consistent with MIHOP? |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. No, you're not the only fan of Occam's razor |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
46. Ya know, |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
48. How does Occam's razor help explain this? |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I would probably apply theories of Mandlebroit et al. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Your nouns describe something other than the object in the picture. |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Fractal geometry is simply one of the earliest, and best known, |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. That's great. Use math to figure out the thing's shape. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
89. To apply Occam to crop circles |
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joe1991 (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
115. Well, if it were aliens... |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. Cheers! Not MIHOP, not LIHOP, but MIHTGFI |
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leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. (to be pronounced mit-giffy) eom |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
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Arianrhod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
64. Show your work, please. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. Inside jobs are always simpler than outside jobs. |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
78. Hi cinci!! |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
52. Of course you're not the only fan of Occam's Razor at DU. |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yes, well clearly the best way of ending a post is |
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AgadorSparticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
53. i disagree that occam's razor applies to this group in the WH |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
55. This is why I believe Bush did it. |
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MetaTrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
57. Not sure why people insist some elaborate terrorist network was needed |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
59. While generally sound, There is one major problem with Occam's Razor |
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Pobeka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
61. That's why I believed that "just a few bad apples" were doing the torture. |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
63. personally, I like the new Gillette M3... |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. LOL. Increase the number of blades used per week for the next 50 years |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:35 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Saturday Night Live had a parody commercial a lo-o-ong time back |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
67. We are not being told the truth. None of the biggest questions have been |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
68. MIHOP is the simplest explanation. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. MIHOP isn't the simplest explanation |
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leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Well put. Everybody should read that post. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. Dude, an inside job is ALWAYS easier than an ouitside job. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. Saddam was no longer a CIA asset |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
80. No you're not the only one :) |
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Cat Atomic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
83. I'm not so sure that incompetence is the simplest explanation anymore. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
103. Add to that |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
84. have you thought of applying said razor to the official cover story? |
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leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. No, it's not that far-fetched. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. You just don't know the details. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. name another time when four planes were hijacked simultaneously |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
113. >>Name another time when three of four untrained pilots |
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leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
114. Name any instance of two identical events occurring anywhere, |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. the SOP for air defense doesn't care whether it is a hijacking or not |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. dupe--delete |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
90. Occam's is a crutch for those too lazy to analyze the facts.. |
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TomNickell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
112. Right, and Logic is the Bonebreaker |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
96. I agree with the laziness and stupidity assessment which the present |
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whirlygigspin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. from the: "Government is the problem" department |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
106. Who decides what is necessary to explain something? |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
108. Big fan here. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
116. About time |
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