If I was a Freeper I would use Nader to divide and Conquer...

[usregimechange]

I would work hard to get him on the ballot and try and get Dems to support him. Just a heads-up. Personally, I respect Nader for many things but he has support on the right and not all of them are authentic.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

1. Worked in 2000, didn't it?

[seabeyond]

2. go figure that is just what the repugs are doing

lol lol lol. hey you are good. and the ass sold out and is allowing them to do it. the people he oppose so, ya right

[Forkboy]

3. I think some use him here on DU for the same purpose

I think some Nader fans and Nader haters are phony as can be,and are just trying to stir shit up.

[ronabop]

23. Stirring shit up.

You betcha, Nader voters in 2K felt they had been been abandoned by both parties, and they voted that way. Those that *still* feel abandoned will vote in the same way (Though I hope there are many less now.). They were trying to stir up the democrats, and if Dean is any indicator, democrats and liberals have started remembering what portions of their base they, quite happily, gave up to Bush (via Nader votes). It didn't have to be that way, but for some reason, progressives and leftists in the party were told to shut up, and be centrist.

More importantly, democrats are now having to remember what specific parts of their platform they willingly gave up in the name of being "successful" (yeah, that worked, thanks a lot, folks...), and resulted in a debacle.

I don't blame Nader, I blame supposed "centrist" pro-corporate democrats for turning their backs on liberals, and progressives, and other left-leaning democrats. Trying to make the tent smaller doesn't mean that rethugs leave the other powerful tent, and replace the lost lefties. The lefties just go make a ramshackle tent, and get 3-7% of the vote.

If democrats don't want Nader's platform planks to steal their votes, steal the platform planks....

Smaller defense outlays. Less wars. Pro-green regulations. Less pork. Socialized medicine systems. Living wage. Progressive taxation. Increased investigation of corporate crime.

Is that so hard? Kerry had to swing left to get buy-in from Dean-leaners. If Gore had done the same with Nader, maybe the last few years wouldn't have sucked as much.

-Bop

Edit: typo

[T Town Jake]

4. It's as simple as this:

A VOTE FOR NADER IS A VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN TICKET. I'm amazed at the number of people who still can't seem to grasp this, many of them posting right here at DU. I wonder if the Freepers would tolerate posters rooting for a third party conservative candidate who would take votes away from the GOP in the upcoming election on their website? I'd wager that such posters would be banned in a heartbeat, and their threads supporting the same pulled forthwith. Not advocating anything, it's just a thought...

[physioex]

5. Why aren't we just as sinister...

We could get Roy Moore to run, I think the doesn't like Shrub because he got snubbed by him. :evilgrin:

[WindRavenX]

6. Here's what disturbs me most:

Of course the right would be smart to try to use Nader to split the left; it was an effective tactic that did draw votes away from Gore. I honestly do not think this fact is debatable (although certainly the end result of Nader's influence is very very debated on DU). But, for Nader to claim that he will draw votes away from W is I think, in all due respect, pretty fuckin' stupid.
But by far the most disturbing thing about Nader's run now is that he is willingly accepting the financial aid of various right wing groups in order to get on state ballots. This was demonstrated in Oregon. It was known. And did Ralphie say "hey wait a minute- this might be unethical!" Fuck no. Nader only cares about one thing, and one thing only: himself.
His recent comments about Moore's weight are also most unbecomming of him.
I too once respected Nader. But there is something seriously wrong with the man.

[Forkboy]

7. Oh please WindRavenX

could you get rid of that Jeter pic? :D

[WindRavenX]

8. Sorry Forkboy...

He's my future husband. :)
I love muh DJ and Kerry.

[Forkboy]

10. arrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhh

curse you Yankee fans! :)

[WindRavenX]

12. Tee hee

I'm used to it. I go to college in Boston :)
I just smile and nod and say "Aaron Boone". They usually go away then. ;)

[Forkboy]

13. Now you're just twisting the knife

:spank: :)

[WindRavenX]

15. I'm not all bad...

...I wouldn't kick Nomaaah out of my bed :evilgrin:
I can't help it- baseball pants are wicked hawt!!

[porphyrian]

9. That Would Be Freeperey,...

...because it would be stupid, given how little support Nader has right now. This election is not going to be close.

[WindRavenX]

11. Very very foolish to think this election is not going to be close

Although I do not put much stock in polls, they at least serve to establish trends. And one of those trends is that this country is SEVERELY divided; Kerry and Bush are in a statistical dead heat in most polls, and in many polls Nader is drawing 5 to 6 %. Close? Kerry's campaign should best be run like this is going to be the case.
Should the election be close? Hell no. But let's face it: most Americans are either too ignorant or too lazy to do the research on W (and by research I mean watching a news source other than FOX to see the REAL damage Bush has done to this country) and come to the conclusion that we at DU have known for the past 4+ years: W is probably the least competent man out there to be President. If people actually took five fuckin' minutes to look at the resume of John Kerry, yeah, this election wouldn't be close- Kerry would win in a goddamn landslide.
But that's not the case. Hell, a majority of people don't even vote at all! Americans are scared and brainwashed from W's Spin Doctors on the War on Terra. They are rallying around W because THEY ARE AFRAID.
This election will be close; and although I predict Kerry WILL win, it is NOT going to be easy.
The Republican War Machine is too big, too rich to simply count on Kerry to win alone. He needs help.

[porphyrian]

24. I'm not saying we can quit yet...

...but I disagree with your disagreement - barring tampering, I can't see this election being close at all. Kerry should play it whatever way he plays best, but he shouldn't be surprised, nor should anyone, at the record voter turnout this November. Unfortunately for PNAC, most of those votes won't be going to Bush.

[AP]

14. EXACTLY. They're already doing it. But it isn't going to work.

Nader won't be on the ballot, and there's already -- at DU at least -- much less interest in defending him or arguing for him, then there was in 2001 and 2002.

Even around here, I see people desperately trying to stoke the flames of the wedge capacity of Nader, but it isn't working.

Mark my words: if Edwards is on the ticket, RW'ers posing as liberals will try to argue that the ticket isn't liberal enough. Fortunately, Nader has already said that Edwards is OK by him.

[notbush]

16. I don't understand this confrontational attitude toward Nader supporters.

You'll draw more flies with honey than vinegar.
Back off.....take it easy.....discuss it in a civil way.
Telling somebody "you're a stupid piece of shit if you support him" isn't going to "bring back" any votes on election day.

[Forkboy]

17. I agree with that

One of my biggest disapointments with finding DU is the hostility to people on the left end of the spectrum by some.I know some Greens and they are simply great people,very dedicated,very smart and range in age from 22 to 51.They dont smoke pot,they dont wear Birkenstocks,they dont smell.Seeing people attack like Freepers is truly sad,and has done as much to drive me towards the Greens as the lackluster opposition I see from Dems towards repugs.

In many ways I see no difference at all between the people who hate Nader and the Freeps hate for Hillary.It's kind of scary :shrug:

[WindRavenX]

18. I agree with most of that

I just have a really, really, REALLY hard time (personally speaking) dealing with Gore/Kerry (insert liberal here who happened to be a Democrat) is the same as George W Bush.

[Forkboy]

19. The similarity that I do see

is the fact that both Dems and repugs seem beholden to corporations more than anything else.As far as them being exactly the same though,it's an argument I dont buy either.The Dems are far from perfect,but the repugs aren't even within sight of it,even if they had help from the Hubble Telescope.

Also,on edit-Let me clarify that I do think there are valid criticisms of Nader (I personally dont like him either) and I dont equate all Nader criticisms with Freeper criticisms of Hillary.It's the more sophmoric ones (like the poll yesterday that asked if he looked like someone whocould be President,as if looks matters in the slightest bit).That kind of stuff is lame.

[notbush]

20. So we agree???

Let's try playing nice....might get us a few votes.

[Forkboy]

21. I do agree

but I did all along.It's some others we need to work on :)

[WindRavenX]

22. Re: money

Yes, that is where I can see "similarities". This is why I am desperately hoping for major campaign finance reform (yeah yeah, I said that with a straight face); once money is out of politics, then the message will get across to voters, who will see that the right is full of shit :)
The bashing of Nader on anything but the issues (bashing his looks, like you said, is just plain idiotic) is, as you said, sophomoric.