Funny how Howard Stern and M. Moore doing more than Dem. Senate

[cthrumatrix]

to defeat bush ...patheic on all the facts they have shared -- our democratic leaders sit there.

Where's the Democratic leaders stepping up to support Moore's facts?

[Atman]

1. GREAT POST...thank you. Are you listending, DNC?

Where are our "LEADERS?"

[JHB]

2. They're letting the Eagle soar...

...like it's never soared before...

[burythehatchet]

14. Thank you very much

Its taken me four days to get that asshole's face and voice out of my head.

[dennis4868]

3. WHERE THE HELL HAVE THEY......

BEEN THE PAST 3 1/2 YEARS?

[cthrumatrix]

4. we are seeing who "really is for freedom" and who is "sold out"

[rfranklin]

5. They are wimps worrying about offending the....

"undecided" voters. They are the DLC types who think that being Republican Lite is the way to go. Their primary objective is to follow the crowd and get re-elected.

[Beware the Beast Man]

6. They're straddling the fence as usual.

I was listening to that twit Michael Medved the other day (the milquetoast, washed-up movie critic whose only counter-arguments involve changing the subject on his guests then going to commercial break, but I digress), who said that if Kerry openly endorses F911, it would deal a death blow to his candidacy. Sad to say, I think most Dems would agree. I think Kerry's biggest downfall is the fact that he needs to grow some stones and fight fire with fire.

[cthrumatrix]

8. this is what pisses off repugs...thanks to moore and stern they are

fighting with facts and showing what a sham the terra facade is for this campaign.

The repugs love to frame the debate...let them be on the defensive.

[DaveSZ]

9. Most of them are spineless it's true

On the other hand, there are a few who fight back but the corporate media beholden to Bush shuts them out.

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[Kanary]

41. How could they all be "shut out" if they all SPOKE UP????

It's been divide and conquer, and the DEMs *LET* it happen.

They aren't poor, helpless victims........ they all have voices.

I'm tired of the excuses...... it will only get us *more* of the same.

Kanary

[porkrind]

44. "I'm tired of the excuses...... it will only get us *more* of the same."

exactly! :) Time for some righteous f*cking outrage!!

---

Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

[Loonman]

7. Dem leaders continue to kiss GOP ass

Why do we keep electing these bozos if they refuse to represent us?

A Repub dominated House and Senate is their fault.

[DaveSZ]

10. INdeed

Fuck the DLC, and bring back the grass roots!

That's what it's all about.

[liberalnurse]

12. Let us not forget......

as seen in F/911.....Not one Democratic Senator filed a complaint regarding Gore vs *bush 2000 Election .........shameful, spineless democrats....

[AntiLempa]

31. Including Lieberman!

You would think that Joe Lieberman would have decided to sign onto the CBC's complaint. Instead he decided to go along with the Coronation of George and Dick.

Who honestly thinks that the Republican Senators would have let this happen?

[quinnox]

13. They are fighting in the trenches

but it is difficult when the Republicans have all the power in the congress and the presidency.

If the Democrats can pick up a few more Seante seats, then there will be a better representation.

[cthrumatrix]

16. we don't need 20 speaking up...I'd settle for five backing the content

of Moore's documentary...fight with facts...pointing out what counts to their constituents...not drinking the Kool-aid

[porphyrian]

15. Just like Larry Flint took on Falwell...

...and Frank Zappa, Dee Snider and others took on the PMRC when censorship was all the craze. Politicians have to be CONVINCED that the votes are behind something before they back it. After all, they have careers to protect...

[dkf]

17. I agree. Dems are wimps. They need other people to do their fighting

while they sit on their big fat butts. Yes there are a few standup Dems (Waxman for example), but I am very very disappointed in the vast majority of Dems including Kerry.

[porphyrian]

18. Everybody's Fucking Fired!

We'll keep replacing them until they represent us rather than corporate interests.

[Cocoa]

19. Daschle is fighting for Native American voting rights

Moore didn't have anything in his movie about Native American voting rights. Why doesn't Moore care about whether Native Americans can vote?

See how silly it is to pit dems against each other? Is that really what the movie is about?

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/06/22/news/local/news09.txt

Daschle launches initiative aimed at voters rights

A spate of voter complaints from South Dakota's special and primary election on June 1 has inspired Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., to launch a voting rights project from within his re-election campaign offices.

Titled "The Daschle Voting Rights Project," the effort includes a telephone hot line, plans for a paid advertising and literature campaign in English and Lakota, and a Web site.
"We're going to reach out every possible way," Daschle campaign spokesman Jake Maas said.

more...

[Cocoa]

20. kick for Native American voting rights

:kick:

[redqueen]

29. GMAFB

He's fighting for the rights of the people that will vote for HIM.

Self-serving politicians are ubiquitous on BOTH sides of the aisle.

[AntiLempa]

34. Where was Daschle in 2000?

If Daschle is such a defender of voting rights, where was he in 2000? The only reason he is doing this now is because he might lose his seat. Daschke is one of the most despicable Democratic Senators. He must be replaced both as Minority leader and Senator.

[Cocoa]

21. Pelosi urges Bush administration to stop the killing in Sudan

Moore had nothing in the movie about Sudan. Why does Moore want the Sudanese to die? /sarcasm

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-29-2004/0002201872&EDATE=

WASHINGTON, June 29 /PRNewswire/ -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following letters to President George Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell today on the crisis in Sudan. Last week, Pelosi spoke with the President to urge his Administration and the international community to stop the killing in Sudan. Today, Leader Pelosi is calling on the Administration to quickly develop a comprehensive plan to end the misery in Sudan. Secretary Powell is visiting Sudan this week.

Below is the complete text of the letter to President Bush and the letter to Secretary Powell:

June 28, 2004 Dear Mr. President:

The humanitarian crisis now occurring in the Darfur region of the Sudan is a challenge to the conscience of the world. It will not be resolved without sustained and effective leadership from the United States, and we do not have much time in which to implement a policy that will free tens of thousands of people the threat of death by starvation, disease, or murder by members of militia groups backed by the Sudanese government. When we discussed Darfur at the White House on June 24, I noted that, although there had been recent G-8 and United Nations Security resolutions on the Sudan, as well as talks between Secretary of State Powell and the Sudanese prime minister, a sense of urgency needed to be brought to this issue. You mentioned your hope that leaders of NATO and the European Union would join in an international effort to alleviate the suffering in Darfur, and that the matter would be raised in meetings related to the NATO summit in Istanbul. With those meetings now concluded, the visit of Senator Brownback and Representative Frank Wolf to the displaced persons camps last weekend providing some first-hand impressions, and the dispatch of Secretary Powell to the Sudan this week, I am hopeful that your Administration will be able to announce in the next few days a comprehensive plan to end the misery in Darfur. It is imperative that the mistakes that were made a decade ago in Rwanda not be repeated in Darfur. The killing must be stopped and humanitarian needs addressed quickly, while there is still an opportunity to save many lives. We must not look back in a few months and wish that we had summoned the will earlier to do what we knew had to be done to address this crisis. Mr. President, the discussion last week convinced me that you are sensitive to the needs in Darfur. I again urge you to make this a matter of the highest priority. Thank you for your consideration of my views on this issue of such great importance. Sincerely, /s/ Nancy Pelosi

June 28, 2004 Dear Mr. Secretary:
As you prepare for your trip to Sudan, I wanted you to know the high importance I attach to your mission. It is critical that the humanitarian crisis in Darfur not be allowed to grow worse, and I urge you to make it clear to Sudanese officials that the United States expects their complete cooperation in ending the killing and facilitating the delivery of relief supplies. You spoke with great passion to members of the House of Representatives last week about Darfur and your conviction that, unless the situation improves rapidly, and soon, thousands more people could die within a few months. I share that conclusion, and hope therefore, that the Administration will soon implement a comprehensive plan to bring an end to the suffering in Darfur. The time remaining to provide meaningful assistance is short, and it is imperative that we act quickly. The record of the international community in dealing with events of this magnitude in Africa has not been good. Strong, sustained leadership from the United States will be necessary if the situation in Darfur is to be resolved in a way that demonstrates that the world has learned from the mistakes of the past and is determined not to repeat them in the future. Thank you for your consideration of my views, and I wish you every success on your mission to Sudan. Sincerely, /s/ Nancy Pelosi

[redqueen]

30. Yay for Sudan. Has she said anything about BBV? n/t

[Bridget Burke]

22. The Senators who do speak are rarely heard.

Often, during the day, posters note that Senator Byrd or Senator Kennedy is giving an excellent speech--really tearing into Bush & Co. That's great for the housewives (& househusbands) with CSPAN (or CSPAN2 or CSPAN3).

How often are their speeches featured on the evening news? How are they treated on CNN, etc.? The media will report on our "president's" every word but opposing voices are ignored or cut off.

I do wish the senators would speak out more. But Stern & Moore have the advantage of media access. I'm glad they're using it.

[cthrumatrix]

24. They can call in to Air America....they can demand to be on other

shows...they can write editorials or corruption they have witnessed.

[rman]

26. exemplary of how the media do *not* cover both sides of the story,

in spite of their claims of doing so.

I'd say it is fairly trivial to show the corporate bias in the media.

[redqueen]

32. Too bad most of them voted for the Telecom Act

and ignored the Fairness Doctrine legislation Clinton had promised to enact while they had the chance to pass it.

They helped to silence themsleves. The whores.

[SoCalDem]

23. They have abdicated their responsibilities...that's WHY we are in the mess

we have now.. They blithely voted for "media consolidation" so that they could continue to get money from the media moguls (who give to BOTH parties)...and all they accomplished was to undermine themselves and ALL their positions on issues..

They fed the junkyard dog, and when he finished eating, he turned on them..

The ONLY way that "the other side" of any story can make it out into the open now, is for people to finally get so angry that they make a movie or write a book..

How many ARE there who can AFFORD to do that?? Not many ...

The dems better enjoy the hub-bub while it lasts.. It takes a long time to make a movie or write a book, and the papers come out every day..and the tv pundits are on 24/7..

[cthrumatrix]

25. I would say they are "owned" and have agreed to silence.

[SoCalDem]

27. Exactly.. If they talk against it, they will not get "donations" anymore

Needed:

1. public financing of campaigns
2. shorter campaign "seasons"
3. term limits....8 yrs pres....2 terms senate (6 yr)...2 terms house (4 yr)..
4. lobbying made illegal
5. free air time for tv for top 4 candidates


No one can convince me that with almost 300 MILLION people, there are only 535 people in the US who are smart enough to legislate..

[cthrumatrix]

28. are they speaking up for the $20B unaccounted for in Iraq ($87B)..nope

here they have a perfect platform & SILENCE!

[Cocoa]

33. Dorgan and Wyden have been good on oversight of $ in Iraq

I saw a hearing that Dorgan held, with only Democrats, after the republican chair of the normal committee refused to hold full hearings. They heard testimony from Halliburton employees who blew the whistle on overcharging the government for an Iraq contract.

Have you contacted your own representatives about this important issue? What do they say?

[Cocoa]

35. "Wyden keeps up pressure on Iraqi oversight"

I think if you want the dems to look into that important issue of the missing billions in Iraq, these two senators might be open to listen to your concerns. Likely they're already working on it, but it doesn't hurt to let them know that you're interested.

It's even worth it to contact republicans. Notice that they passed this amendment, meaning some republicans had to be on board.

http://www.bend.com/news/ar_view%5E3Far_id%5E3D16152.htm

June 14 - WASHINGTON - Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) won Senate approval Monday of an amendment prohibiting the renewal of any current contract outsourcing the oversight of Iraq reconstruction to non-governmental entities.

The amendment, accepted for inclusion in the Department of Defense reauthorization bill, also prohibits future private oversight contracts unless the U.S. government is entirely unable provide personnel to perform direct oversight, and prohibits the letting of private contracts if there is even an appearance of conflict of interest for the private company. In every case, the amendment requires appropriate military or civilian personnel to supervise and evaluate contractor performance in Iraq reconstruction.

Dorgan and Wyden first called on the Pentagon last month to stop outsourcing the oversight of large Iraq reconstruction contracts to private companies, saying $130 million worth of current contracting arrangements are rife with potential conflicts of interest and open the door to significant additional waste of taxpayer dollars in Iraq.

“Oversight should be performed by the government and not private contractors, particularly those with apparent conflicts of interest,” said Wyden. “The outsourcing of oversight on Iraq reconstruction is a costly, unsound practice that never should have been permitted in the first place and it’s time to close the door on it now. This amendment can save American taxpayers untold additional dollars by placing accountability for Iraq reconstruction squarely with the Department of Defense.”

more...

[Cocoa]

37. kick for oversight

anyone contacting their reps about the missing billions? That's a lot of money.

:kick:

[Hotler]

36. None of those SOBs on the hill

go into politics to serve their country. They go to get rich and to find an elite niche for them selves. The corporate machine owns them all.

[mzmolly]

38. Yawn.

Our Dem leaders have been supportive when ever the media gives them air time.

[cthrumatrix]

40. they could be on Air America everyday.... where are they?

[Cocoa]

42. my email to Senator Durbin

this took about 90 seconds.

Dear Senator Durbin,

I've been reading news stories about $20 billion missing from our Iraq money.

That's a lot of money, and I was wondering what Congress is doing about that, finding out if the stories are true and if so, where the money went and how can the Iraqis get it back.

[mzmolly]

43. Do you need a copy of past guests?

They have been on Air America.

I can think of several off the top of my head. This issues surrounding the war didn't start with a movie.

Not trying to be rude, but this crap about Dems never fighting back is down right old and not accurate.

Granted some don't fight like they should, but I tire of forgetting the Dems that do.

[bo44]

39. Sucking on Fascist Corporate Teats

fucking pink tutu DC Dems. My animosity for Democratic House and Senate leadership goes all the way back to their rubber stamping Raygun's, poppy bush, and now bunnypants shit. Fuck 'em. We win without 'em and don't invite them to the bbq.

[Zorra]

45. TG for Rep. Henry Waxman

If only all the Dem legislators were as vigilant as he is.

[cthrumatrix]

46. funny he doesn't get much airtime on the news networks....

[redqueen]

47. Yeah it's funny how the few Dems WITH courage are ignored

what a coikidink

[TexasSissy]

48. To be fair, Stern & Moore don't need to get votes to keep their jobs.

There's a big difference. That doesn't excuse their wishy washiness in recent years, but politicans can't go out on a limb like entertainers can.

[tom_paine]

49. That IS pathetic and words cannot describe how true

Maybe November's "Election" results will embolden them.

But then, I think the Imperial Voting Systems are incapable of registering an actual change of mood in the electorate (if such a thing even exists anymore).

[jokerman93]

50. at this point I'm thinking

At this point I'm thinking Rove's political machine has the goods on allot of the Dems in congress, or they've been paid off, or they're just greedy "Cheneys" who've somehow planned to personally benefit from Bush administration's evil plans...

Who the Cheney knows? Nothing makes sense anymore.

[sendero]

51. As I prepared my lunch...

... a few minutes ago, I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING.

Dis Stern all you want, he is one of the few that's had the nerve to stick it to this bunch of thugs. I admire him a lot.

[0007]

52. The Dem Senate is very quiet - I don't get it! Why?