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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:10 PM
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CNN's Greefield urges Dems to Honor a Repug at the Convention and
Edited on Wed Jun-30-04 03:12 PM by KoKo01
he suggested having Ron Reagan Jr. on to talk about his Dad in the interest of promoting bi-partisanship. He says it would anger the Dems on the Left (that's me) but it would be a small price to pay in sending a message that "Democrats are comfortable with honoring Repugs at their convention.
(who is he kidding here?) :crazy:

He used his segment to tick off how great Reagans "Moderate Repug policies" were for the World. He ticked off bringing freedom to Latin America and other items like "bringing down the Wall," which we know are lies but that he said were Reagan's accomplishments. He said if the "Dems decide to do this then just remember you heard it here on CNN." (Let's hope Kerry's campaign managers don't decide to to something foolish like this.:eyes:

CNN has indeed turned to the Dark Side. There's no road back from hell for them!

(p.s.) I stopped watching them but decided to take a peek. It was Woodruff's show. I won't make that mistake again soon, but sometimes you just gotta check in to see what they're up to.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:11 PM
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1. No. We're going to kick some Republican ass.
And that's the end of it. We're going to destroy them.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:11 PM
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2. Well good...then let the repukes pay respect to Wellstone!
that will make it even...
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:21 PM
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7. Oh, that'd be sweet!
I'd pay cash money to see that happen.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:13 PM
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3. I'm all for having Ron Reagan speak
Though I doubt he would speak favorably of his father's policies, though he might gingerly point out that Reagan was of a superior temperment compared to Bush and that the Republican Party of the 1980's was more sensible that the party of 2004.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:28 PM
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12. Greenfield said to "honor his father." Hmmm...much as I like Ron Reagan
I don't want Reagan honored at the Dem Convention. Media would have great opportunity to say how weak we are that we have to use "St. Ronnie" to jazz up our Convention. It works both ways. Greenfield suggesting that and it backfires.

Rove has taken over Greefield's brain...
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:14 PM
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4. I hope Ron Reagan speaks - he is no Repug!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:14 PM
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5. Ron would be ok with me
Greenfield I can't stand. Who asked his advice anyway?

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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:17 PM
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6. I agree - let him talk about *
maybe that would shut Greenfield up...:puke:
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:23 PM
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8. I assume he made the same request of the GOP...
Cheney you, Greenfield.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:25 PM
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What, is this stupid idea week?
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:25 PM
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9. Gosh yes, we just love that Ronnie, he made it ok to hate in America again
And isn't that what we all were striving for after all?

Come on. Reagan made his carreer out of driving the left nuts. Ketchup is a vegitable? You seen one tree you seen them all? This is the guy you want to honor?

Sorry no. Let the right stew about our dislike of their golden idol. We recognise the destruction he brought to this nation for what it is. He had a great impact on this nation. But it was not a positive impact.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:26 PM
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10. Greenfield is an arrogant, clueless Media Whore
He, in many ways, should be the Poster Boy of Media Whores (or perhaps that's best reserved for Howard Fineman).

But when I think of these arrogant Faux Liberals like Greenfield, so clueless and so trapped behind the Bushevik Constructed Fantasy Bubble, which looks remarkably like the walls of a Cocktail Glass at a Sally Quinn Party, I think of Jeff Greenfield.

Jeff would have served Stalin equally well, and done it in his erudite, condescending, wink-wink way.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:30 PM
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18. Agree Tom, it's a tossup between Greenfield and "Slimeman." They
slither their way on these shows like the snakes they are. (actually that's demeaning to snakes) Slime...perhaps fits the best.
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Dickie Flatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:27 PM
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11. Honoring Reagan is crazy, but...
Praising Prez Reagan is crazy, but it would be nice to have a Republican, or at least Ron, speak at the convention. It's just a dumb stunt, but it'd counter the Zellout.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:28 PM
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13. Thank you, Elmore Whippet, Jr.
When we want to know what you think we'll step on your nuts.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:28 PM
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14. CHENEY THIS APPEASEMENT BULLSHIT!
Nothing against Ron Reagan Jr, but he's not a Democrat, therefore he doesn't need to use OUR airtime to define his daddy's legacy. Let the reasonable Republicans - if there are any left - invite him to speak at their convention. At least then there will be one non-PNAC voice present at the Chimpfest.

But in Boston, none of that crap. No Republicans. No pro war speakers. No goddamn neocon shitbags regardless what facade they hide behind. Storm the goddamn convention if neccessary, but this bullshit hijacking of THIS party has to stop NOW.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:39 PM
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21. Agreed. Alot of the rats are looking for a new ship to jump onto.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:29 PM
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15. Ron Reagan is an anti-Bush LIBERAL
I'd love for him to speak at the convention :D
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hackwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:29 PM
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16. Ron Reagan is a liberal. I say let's do it.
EOM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:38 PM
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20. Do you really want Reagan's name mentioned at our Convention?
:eyes:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:29 PM
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17. Jeff Greenfield is a loathsome sellout
The worst part is that my parents were friends with his parents when I was a kid, and they were good, old-fashioned socialists. We visited them once or twice at a socialist summer resort in the mountains where they had a cottage. I never really knew Jeff -- he was several years older than me -- but I still don't understand how he could have turned out so rancid.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:35 PM
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19. This isn't the time for forgiveness.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-04 03:42 PM by Cat Atomic
Why should we reach out to them AT ALL? They've spent the last 4 years fucking us over so badly, even their own dipshit loyalists realize they've been screwed. This isn't the time to extend a helping hand. This is the time to marginalize the criminals, period.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:43 PM
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22. Reagan brought freedom to Latin America?
I realize Greenfield is far more interested in continuing to earn his paycheck than in speaking the truth, but this one goes a little far, even for him.

http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2004-06/articles/11241-1.html

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Renowned investigative reporter Greg Palast recalls being in a little Nicaraguan town named Chaguitillo in 1987 when a local woman died needlessly of tuberculosis. "People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics," writes Palast. "But Ronald Reagan, big-hearted guy that he was, had put a lock-down embargo on medicine to Nicaragua because he didn't like the government that the people there had elected. Ronnie grinned and cracked jokes while the young woman's lungs filled up and she stopped breathing. Reagan flashed that B-movie grin while they buried the mother of three."

The embargo, of course, went hand in hand with Reagan's grand scheme to illegally arm the Contras with secret money from Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini and break the will of the Nicaraguan people, who Reagan imagined were dangerous Commies "only a 48-hour drive from Texas." Palast continues: "In Chaguitillo, all night long, the farmers stayed awake to guard their kids from attack from Reagan's Contra terrorists."

That the Iran-Contra scandal didn't cost Reagan his entire career is a travesty. "Sure the Iran-Contra scandal was a worse threat to American democracy than Watergate -- short-circuiting our whole system of government, as opposed to diddling an election that was a lock anyway," writes Tom Carson in The Village Voice. "But nobody was about to impeach smiling Ron over it, partly because nobody really understood how it worked." Mark Weisbrot from the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) suggests that Reagan's charisma probably bailed him out of hot water several times. "The Great Communicator, as he was called, was capable of charming millions of Americans with his soothing, grandfatherly demeanor. In 1984 there were polls indicating that most of those who voted to re-elect him disagreed with him on the issues."

Then there's El Salvador and Guatemala, where tens of thousands of innocent civilians -- mostly Mayan indigenas -- were systematically slaughtered by roaming death squads, many of whom were armed by Washington during the 1980s and trained at the infamous School of the Americas in Fort Benning, GA. In 1999 the United Nations determined that the Guatemalan massacres were not just a side note to the country's 36-year civil war and constituted "genocide." As Weisbrot reports, "these massacres reached their peak under the rule of Mr. Reagan's ally, the Guatemalan General Rios Montt." The United States Congress actually stopped funding the right-wing Guatemalan government's bloody drive to intimidate its rural Indians into submission during the early 80's. But Reagan personally flew to Guatemala City to meet with Montt and pledge his continued economic support, albeit through other, more clandestine channels, on the very day that the Guatemalan military wiped out an entire village in the western highlands and reportedly swung infant children against brick walls to smash their heads, writes Daniel Wilkinson in his excellent, yet sobering book Silence on the Mountain.

more...
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capriccio Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:45 PM
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23. Stroke of genius
The brilliance of Greenfield's suggestion could not be lost on anyone who has even a clue of how badly the vast majority of Americans long for an end to the partisan warfare. I wouldn't go so far as to have Ron Jr speak about his dad, but he could make a presentation on the need for stem cell research during the platform hearings. He's bright, appealing, and has larger & truer liberal heart than some of the Maoists who drop by this neighborhood.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:50 PM
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24. Greenfield said that, actually. He said polls show American's long for
freedom from diviseness in politics.

BUT! It's not up to the Democrats to solve that. We didn't cause it we are the victims of it. Greenfield's idea is WRONG. It's just a clever move to put the blame on US/Dems to fix it.

He's a joke...don't fall for it. As noble as your post sounds, it's sort of like the "grand vision of PNAC" to bring democracy to Iraq. It would backfire and that's what they want. Just my opinion...but my gut tells me Greenfield was up to no good.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:50 PM
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25. Repug no, Ron Jr. yes! n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-04 03:51 PM
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26. Cheney yourself Greenfield. M'kay.
:puke:
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