Many won't vote because they "just don't care"

[midwayer]

The way our neo-conservative friends would put it:

"thats the way it has been and always will be, and you can't change it"
As they continue to fork over their dollars into the system

This is actually part of the bottom line argument I had with 7 republicans and I (the only Dem.), just the other day.

Their stance was that the Dems put us into this by opening up the borders and caused 9/11
"You forget *..., we were attacked!".
My response to this was that Bush should have shut it down and was complicit through Cheney and, even worse the neocons needed a Riechstag fire or Pearl Harbor. This is where they REALLY went off. "Where did you here that?" They squeal and start sliding off their chairs.."Your nuts!"

I, personally have read all the documentation PNAC,CIA,FBI,MOSSAD,SAUDI'S Bush not shutting the borders down, etc.
I would imagine, I am further left wing than most of you here.

But will they will not hear any part of that NO!!! because "You read it on the Internet" and then they totally discount you. "The internet is full of whacko's" is their stance.

I have read all the conspiracy's from remote control 9/11 to bohemian grove, to the bilderbergs. They will hear none of it and even if you told them they would say "I believe it but I DON'T CARE. I will still vote for Bush."

They have been brainwashed by the system and are at the point THEY DO NOT CARE so thier only answer will be to vote REPUB. or to NOT vote at all because THEY TRUST NOBODY! Not Democrats nor Republicans

Folks, we have a serious % of Americans who WILL NOT VOTE in this country because they have GIVEN UP on the system. Their firm belief is that it will be no different whether you vote DEM or REPUB. My guess is 30% of the population feels this way.

The sad part is the other % of the country knows they are being screwed and knows there is a conspiracy but IF they vote they will still vote Repub. i.e., they will "just to go along with it."

I discussed the Constitution and the Founding Fathers...their answer is that "times are different now" "we are at war"
My response: "just wait until the indictments come down, they say "what indictments? it's ALREADY BEEN passed over. We have a Repub Congress It'll never happen"

Valerie Plame... "f... Valerie Plame..who cares about V. Plame, It''ll never happen" was their response

"WMD doesn't matter"
...actually they would not even believe the fact that the WH manipulated the evidence. They WILL NOT BUY THAT CONCEPT.

We talked about Patriotism and serving your country. Their answer is of course..."if the Pres. says we go...we go."

We have a serious prob. folks

Actually my major bottom line to them WAS this:

Your King George and his cohort Dick are going down." They(the repugs) will not buy this because the Congress is controlled by Repubs.

The whole hypocrisy is that they already know all the deceit, lying & collusion but "it doesn't matter because that is the way it is and that is the way it has always been....and YOU can't change it."

The crux of the problem I see is that we have, in this country today , a WHOLE bunch of every day people who just DON'T CARE.


I call that...MIND CONTROL & brainwashing through the general media and years and years of propoganda.

I call that...Your government spreading manure "ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS"

Which reminds me of a quote. "WEALTH is like manure, in order for it to do any good you have to spread it around."

Well the wealth spigot that flows into real hard working Americans pockets who have helped to build this country working as tradesman HAS BEEN CUT OFF. I'm seeing it first hand

The other 30% will never get the real picture OR they do know the picture but don't care because it doesn't matter whom you vote for,
it's all the same...the little guy will continue to get screwed and the wealth spread will continue to separate.

Just drink more alcohol & drugs and put me out of my misery PLEASE!!! This is what 30% are saying right now.

I am concerned...I am very concerned

I am a Micro-enterprise business owner who's revenue depended on high end niche oriented projects. It's over, the spigot has been cut off, where has the money gone?...I could lose everything right here my house, my business, everything, but nobody cares, and DOES not believe. They all still think things are wonderful. Well folks it's hitting the wallet now and it's going to get worse. The fat lady has not sung yet and the big boys (pigs) aren't squealing

YET

Midwayer

[bluestateguy]

1. We need mandatory voting, election day as a national holiday

Move election day to Wed. to make it unappealing to use as a vacation weekend. Election day would be a national holiday and voting would be mandatory, punishable by a $100 fine. Local communities would have local boards that would review requests for waivers of the fines for non-voters. Local boards could also perform oversight of the elections in their communities and report their findings back to state and federal officials.

I'd rather be constituting those kinds of boards rather than reconstituting the draft boards.

[midwayer]

6. mandatory voting

not a bad idea, other than the fact that the constitution gives us the right or right not to vote.
Might take a couple days for the electoral process to take place and a few months to run down 50% of them who didn't.

The main thing is they don't trust anyone enough to vote.

[Webster Green]

2. Sad but true!

The percentage of those that are eligible but don't vote is a lot more than 30%. It varies from one election to the next, but is usually around 50%.

[Yupster]

7. I saw a bumper sticker

"Don't vote
It only encourages them"

[midwayer]

9. 50%

Thanks

I think we all have the same feeling by the time this election comes around we will have un unprecedented voter turnout, but for now convincing some is going to be a difficult haul.

[GreenArrow]

3. maybe some don't vote

because they understand the process is rigged?

[midwayer]

10. yep

no question about it

[Nicholas_J]

4. One of the democratic weaknesses is

That there is much diversity of opinion, while Republicans generally tend to support the Republican candidate even if they disagree with them. Nothing shows this divide between Democrats and Republicans so much as the fact that Democrats had a total of ten people running for the nomination, and Bush had no opposition. There are rarely Republicans who consider running against an incumbent, but there have been cases of Democrats or other liberal who run against a Democratic incument, or someone who is running after being a VP for a Democratic incumbent. Naders campaign indicated that the left side of the political spectrum is more fragmented in this country that the right. All of the pointsyou made about what the Bush Administration are an indication that no matter what a Republican does, REpublicans tend not to break ranks.

[Yupster]

8. Well in 96

there were ten Republicans running and only one Democrat. I think it had more to do with incumbancy that anything else.

[jimshoes]

5. Think grass roots

These disillusioned repubs are not likely to be recruiting new voters mainly because thier party is in freefall and there is nothing they can do about it. The folks in power feels they can steal this election like they did the last time so they are not too worried. The trick for us is to convince those non voters that we have a better plan. Like taking America back from the corpro-fascists that take but don't give and take and take and take some more. We individual citizens have subsidized these mega businesses long enough. Kerry will make them pay their fair share. We must get out the vote.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Well, I personally believe that the American people are getting more...

...angry about our current situation with each passing day.

First, there is the matter of the Coup of December 2000 when the NeoCons took control of the government with the help of their fellow-travellers on the Supreme Court. I will NEVER get over that. Period.

As you pointed out, the economy has been bad since March 2001 when the recession officially began. I've already lost a business I owned and operated since 1998, one that was heavily dependent on the staffing of the computer, telecommunication, and information technology industries. I've been struggling to survive in a new business (to me) where I am paid on a commission-only basis and where I am forced to learn the products I sell on the fly while being trained in my "spare time". Meanwhile, the only house my two youngest kids have ever known may have to be sold to pay off what we now owe to various creditors. I am so pissed about this that I can't even see straight.

Add to that the erosion of civil liberties by the passage of the Patriot Act I & portions of Patriot Act II. This legislation basically allows the NeoCons to act as a dictatorship with the ability to secretly gather and consolidate information on every single American living today. While we go about our business of surviving day-to-day, the NeoCons are recording every single phone call, fax, email, Internet posting, and any other communications currently used in the U. S.

And let's not forget the illegal and immoral wars in the Middle East that have cost the lives of so many American, Afghan, Iraqi, British and several other nationalities. The wars have really hit home because my daughter has been seriously dating a U. S. Marine who is getting set to deploy to Iraq where his twin brother has been for the last year.

If ANYONE can sit at home and NOT vote this coming November, they should be DEEPLY ashamed of themselves. If ever a more dangerous time existed in American history outside of the Revolution and the American Civil War, I'd like to know about it.

"Angry" doesn't even come close to describing how I feel, and I think there are a LOT more people out there just like me, and those numbers are growing.