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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:49 AM
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Poll question: Are concentration camps an inherent part of the world system?
I was perusing through Frederick Douglas' My Bondage and my Freedom and noted a passage from a speech he gave at Finsbury Chapel in England, which was included in the appendix. Setting out to define the institution of slavery in precise terms, he argued that cruelty was one of its essential attributes.

Of all things that have been said of slavery to which exception has been taken by slaveholders, this, the charge of cruelty, stands foremost, and yet there is no charge capable of clearer demonstration, than that of the most barbarous inhumanity on the part of the slaveholders toward their slaves. And all this is necessary; it is necessary to resort to these cruelties, in order to make the slave a slave, and to keep him a slave.... If it be right to hold slaves at all, it is right to hold them in the only way in which they can be held; and this can be done only by shutting out the light of education from their minds, and brutalizing their persons. The whip, the chain, the gag, the thumb-screw, the blood-hound, the stocks, and all the other bloody paraphernalia of the slave system, are indispensably necessary to the relation of master and slave. The slave must be subjected to these, or he ceases to be a slave.


The genocide in Sudan has been occupying my thoughts lately, and as I was pondering the horror of concentration camps that have been erected in Darfur (see this DU thread), and the meaninglessness of phrases like "never again," Douglas' words struck a chord. What if concentration camps are indispensably necessary to the world system? What if the world's polities are constituted in such a way as require or even tend towards massive displacements of people and the imposition of cruel living conditions, if not death?

Some will argue about the terms being used: Concentration camps, internment camps, detention camps, refugee camps, relocation camps, prison camps, labor camps, death camps. Certainly one can draw meaningful distinctions. However, the perpetrators of atrocities rely upon euphemestic language to disguise their crimes, and people who have been driven into barbed-wire enclosures may be especially vulnerable to acts of brutality. Perhaps there is an index of misery and death that would demarcate the boundary between a refugee camp and a concentration camp. I wouldn't know. Or perhaps it's a question of intent, or policy. At a certain point it becomes moot. After all, is humanity any better for the fact that Anne Frank died in a Nazi labor camp rather than a death camp?

Seeing that the instruments of mass extermination are all around us, I wonder if there is a dialectic that would give them meaning. In Douglas' world, there was the master/slave dialectic. Does that still obtain? Or are there other dialectics, forces, polarities? Citizen/Alien, Us/Them, Insider/Outsider, Believer/Infidel.... Has the world's political culture evolved to the point where the humanity of the Other is universally acknowledged and respected, or is dehumanization truly necessary to our way of doing business? I don't know anymore.

Another passage from Douglas' speech:

I may be asked, why I am so anxious to bring this subject before the British public-why I do not confine my efforts to the United States? My answer is, first, that slavery is the common enemy of mankind, and all mankind should be made acquainted with its abominable character. My next answer is, that the slave is a man, and, as such, is entitled to -your sympathy as a brother. All the feelings, all the susceptibilities, all the capacities, which you have, he has. lIe is a part of the human family. Hie has been the prey -the common prey -of christendom for the last three hundred years, and it is but right, it is but just, it is but proper, that his wrongs should be known throughout the world. I have another reason for bringing this matter before the British public, and it is this: slavery is a system of wrong, so blinding to all around, so hardening to the heart, so corrupting to the morals, so deleterious to religion, so sapping to all the principles of justice in its immediate vicinity, that the community surrounding it lack the moral stamina necessary to its removal. It is a system of such gigantic evil, so strong, so overwhelming in its power, that no one nation is equal to its removal. It requires the humanity of christianity, the morality of the world to remove it. Hence, I call upon the people of Britain to look at this matter, and to exert the influence I am about to show they possess, for the removal of slavery from America.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:22 AM
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1. They still exist, but are not that common
so no, I don't think they're an inevitable part of the current world system. You might say that slums are - a capitalist system will always leave some people on the edge of existence, desperate for any work they can't get. But that's not a concentration camp - no-one has put them there on purpose.

I'd also disagree with putting 'refugee camp' in your list. Yes, some regimes might like to call their internment camps 'refugee camps', to look better, but most camps using that name have been set up by benevolent groups (eg the UN) to help those fleeing from persecution.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 07:52 AM
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2. refugee camps
I had in mind Australia's treatment of asylum seekers. The government and many in the press use the term "refugee camp."

http://members.westnet.com.au/jackhsmit/detention.htm

http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/refugees.k.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1695930.stm

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2003/550/550p11.htm


Also, I think we should acknowledge that in some situations conditions in refugee camps administered by or served by the UN and international relief agencies are actually rather miserable, and furthermore, there are cases of genocidal regimes cynically manipulating ngos and other agencies. There was a news report about that happening in Darfur, Aid agencies tread carefully through ethical minefield. Actually, I can't review the full article because I don't have a subscription, but I seem to recall it reported an incident in which the government of Sudan wanted to enlist msf workers to help relocate people and msf protested. It might be related to this press release: http://www.msf.org/countries/page.cfm?articleid=DCCE4106-1001-449C-92A80C763D25F19E (and to see the latest from msf, Sudan crisis: Fleeing the hidden war). So the case of the Nyala camps might be one in which aid workers recognize a clear difference between concentration camps and refugee camps. My suspicion is that there are instances of that distinction being blurred, and I guess my question is whether it's a distinction without a difference. A criterion like forced removal could be helpful, but only to the extent that one understands various applications of force. And that's a question that comes up when one looks at what we call the capitalist system and its distribution of violence. Is there an underlying logic that would help us understand and ameliorate ghettoization, marginalization and ethnic cleansing, or are these disparate phenomena originating from essentially unrelated social pathologies?

Well, I'm coming around to your position that "refugee camps" should be regarded separately, but I still have doubts. Also, I'm feeling a growing intolerance for diplomatic niceties and euphemism. I can see why a relief agency would want to adopt the most neutral language possible to carry on its work, but I aslo see that malicious state entities cloak themselves in that neutrality and sometimes exploit the donor community for their own nefarious purposes.

Throw up both my hands.

:shrug:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 08:24 AM
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3. Quite an interesting history....
The term "concentration camp" was first used by the British military during the Boer War (1899-1902). British forces rounded up the Boer women and children as well as black people living on Boer land, and sent them to 31 camps scattered around South Africa......

Though they were not extermination camps, the Boer camps were noted for their poor nutrition and bad hygiene, and the associated high mortality rates (28,000 women and children died).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp

This articles gives a grim overview of concentration camps, extermination camps, internment camps, labor camps, etc. Sometimes it's just a matter of terminology.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 07:00 PM
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6. I suppose it's a conslolation that nothing has surpassed the Nazi camps
for sheer brutality and murder, but I always think of that Woody Allen line from Deconstructing Harry: "Records were made to broken."

That's a great wiki. I saw it not too long ago and I guess it's been on my mind.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 08:29 AM
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4. It's happening here in America!
It has been all along! Ask Susan McDougal!
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 02:37 PM
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5. Although McDougal was the victim of a serious injustice
she was treated as an individual case. One characteristic of concentration camps may be that people are detained en masse without access to a process of judicial review. (See the excellent wiki Ms. Burke linked to above.) That's not an absolute, I suppose. Anyhow, if I were looking at the US justice system for a pattern of brutality against a societal group, the first thing to jump to mind would be the system's record of racial bias against African Americans.
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