Jack Ryan talking to Hannity last night. New take?

[arbusto_baboso]

Okay, okay, I know what y'all will tell me about watching InsHannity, but this particular show was like a train wreck; when I saw it channel surfing, I had to stop and watch.

Most DUers would agree that Ryan is a hypocrite because of his and his party's "family values" platform and his own frequenting of sex clubs with his then-wife.

But, Ryan went even further into the realm of
"I can't fucking believe he just said that" by stating HIS scandal was unfair because it was the first sex scandal involving a politician in which there was no sex! He further stated that he "broke no promises or marriage vows" by visiting these clubs with his wife!!! Oh, and of course, the Clenis featured prominently in the discussion, since good ol' Jack could NEVER be as bad as Clinton. Feh!

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most of the hard-core fundies that support the Rethugs regard even THINKING about things such as sex clubs as akin to infidelity? Surely, this scandal wouldn't win Jack any votes at the local Baptist church?

Ryan and Hannity's attitudes transcended mere hypocrisy or ass-covering last night. I truly believe the right-wing's beliefs amount to nothing more than a sophisticated version of FYBIGM (Fuck You Buddy, I've Got Mine).

I'd truly not care about any of Ryan's private antics if he were'nt a member of the party denying marriage rights to same-sex couples, and decrying women who become unwed mothers by choice. But the fact is, Jack Ryan may want understanding because he "didn't break any promises or marriage vows", but would this Jackhole or any of his supporters be as understanding about gay couples adopting children, or of voluntary polyamorous arrangements?? I doubt it.

In conclusion, FUCK jack Ryan, FUCK Hannity, and FUCK these "family values" hypocrites!!!

[physioex]

1. Right, I agree...

What Ryan does in his private life is no elses business, and what he did with his wife wasn't all bad in my opinion. Just those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

[Scairp]

10. You're not getting it

SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THESE THINGS WITH HIM IN PUBLIC. Are we on the same page now? This is what makes him a scumbag.

[physioex]

15. OK....

I agree she didn't want to do these things, and yes he is a scumbag. But was there any violence involved?

[Scairp]

23. Oh my GOD!!

So, it's okay for him to attempt to bully and intimidate her into participating in deviant sexual activities that she doesn't want to do, as long as he didn't beat her? WHAT planet are you from? He used her love for him to manipulate her into doing these things that, let's say it again, SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.

[Goldmund]

19. Why did she do them then?

[redqueen]

20. She didn't, instead

she divorced him.

[Scairp]

24. Thank you

She says she refused to have sex with him in front of another couple at one of these clubs, but did perform a sex act on him at his insistence. I think there's one part where she said she was crying but I can't recall if it was this episode or something else. The bottom line is, she had no interest in doing these activities, going to s&m clubs, or having sex in front of others. These were his fantasies,not hers. Any loving, caring husband wouldn't have put his wife in such an uncomfortable position and continued to force the issue as he clearly did.

[physioex]

25. These things are grounds for divorce...

And shows he is a scumbag. But these things can hardly be considered illegal. That's all I am saying.... Do you think he broke any laws?

[Liberal Veteran]

30. No one is saying he broke any laws. HE says he broke no vows.

She disagreed. That's the rub.

[physioex]

32. I can agree with that...EOM

[Scairp]

34. I give up

This isn't about laws being broken, it's about another right wing pol beating the morality drum, and really being nothing more than a sex-obsessed slime. He's a hypocrite, just like so many other self-righteous repigs who are exposed for being the lowlifes that they are. THAT'S the point, not whether any actual laws were broken.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. I agree. Don't place yourself up as a paragon of virtue if you...

...can't live up to the standard most are going to judge you by.

Most conservative married types would probably say that going out to engage in sex acts with others is kinda sleazy and not "traditional values".

Trying to coerce your wife into participating after she puts her foot down on the issue is that much more sleazy.

Personally, if two people want to have an open marriage or engage in sadomasochism or bondage and discipline or voyeurism, I see nothing wrong with that.

On the other hand, if it set yourself as running on a campaign of traditional Christian values, you best be prepared for the fallout if word gets out about your liking kink.

[physioex]

37. Whoaaaa...

Relax Scairp. I am on your side sheeeesh..... I agree with what you said...

[jobycom]

38. I used to work at a hotel

Every year a group of rich guys organized some kid of event that always turned into a swingers/orgy fest. I don't remember what the plan was, but every year the elevators would keep getting stopped, people would sneak into maintenance closets, or try fooling around in the lobby bathrooms. We had extra security for this event, and they had to break up all kinds of shenanigans that other guests complained about.

One time they had to break up a fight were some rich guy was trying to get his wife to swap with another couple. She didn't want to, and she was in tears. She kept asking her husband why he would do this, why he wanted her to, all the while sobbing, but he kept pushing her, until he started yelling at her, and the cops had to get involved.

You could tell what she was thinking. She had married a man she was in love with, and felt the sex was part of that love, but this man was bullying her into something she thought was adultery. To her, sex meant something special, to him it was casual. I'll never forget the way she cried, as though her heart had broken, as though the man she had married turned into someone else.

Ryan's a scum. Not because of what he wanted to do, but because of how he treated the woman who agreed to marry him. Who probably loved him. She was just a play toy to be used, and he didn't care how he hurt her, as long as she gave him what he wanted.

That is EXACTLY the kind of thing we should know about someone we send to Washington to represent us.

[SoFlaJet]

2. yea he was on Scarborough too

and the unsaid truth of the matter is/was he was getting slaughtered in the polls before he made his customary republican copout announcement to spend more time with his family bullshit.Hey anybody else notice how much Ryan looks like David Brock?

[arbusto_baboso]

4. OOPS!! Sorry, it was Scarborough and not Hannity!

I get the two of them confused sometimes. Not like you could tell them apart by what's coming out of their mouths, anyway.....

[tom_paine]

5. Scarborough is the Family Vaues Poster Boy for Murder

He is the White OJ and I have no doubt h e did a great job at helping ol' Jack Ryan cover his crooked ass.

[LibDemAlways]

33. I saw the jerk on Scarbrough, too,

and couldn't believe the blatant hypocrisy. The two were nodding in agreement that Ryan had been treated unfairly and persecuted for nothing more than wanting to have sex with his wife.

If Ryan had a "D" after his name, "family values" Scarborough would have been foaming and frothing at the mouth about how sordid the story is and how generally perverted Dems are.

But Former Congressmen Dead Staffer becomes indignant when some asshole repuke gets caught with his pants down. The two were a sick, sorry sight.

[DemWitch]

3. Party Platform

"FYBIGM (Fuck You Buddy, I've Got Mine)."

Isn't that the Republican Party Platform? Maybe Cheney was just the first one out of the chute with it!

[jobycom]

6. Maybe he should have used that defense first, rather than denying

that there was any truth to her claims.

The problem that Jack has missed is that HE wanted to do these things, and obviously SHE did not, which makes it seem rather illicit. Also, he lied about it, so obviously HE thought there was something wrong with what he did.

[arbusto_baboso]

9. To a GOPig, only illicit sex is good sex.

So, OF COURSE Jackie would want to go to these clubs. Funny, though, to most of the regulars at these places, it's not illicit, just a form of recreation. And folks like Ryan stick out like sore, ah, erm, thumbs.

[Monte Carlo]

7. Hey, just like Henry Hyde said, this is about LYING, not sex.

Welcome to the world that you helped to create, Mr. Ryan.

This is a GOP problem, Mr. Ryan.

[Scairp]

8. This is the REAL problem with Ryan

He tried to FORCE his wife into going to these places and fulfilling his perverted (MY opinion) fantasies. She didn't want to do it. I still think he's a hypocrite, whether he cheated on his wife or not. He treated her very poorly in these situations and I don't find anything he says about being faithful to his wife the least bit compelling.

[chiburb]

12. Agreed. Also,

When she cried in one place because she hated it he said,"You know, crying isn't a turn-on".

Couldn't care less if both parties are into partying, care greatly if one is coerced.

[dansolo]

11. I am more bothered by his disregard for her feelings

I couldn't care less about how kinky he is. But the allegations are that he tried to get her to go to the clubs even after she made it clear that they made her uncomfortable. That is what the issue should really be about.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. 53% of the american population is women and the motherfucker abuses them

that's the real scandal

[Bandit]

14. Throw their words right back in their face.."It's all about Character"

:shrug:

[DNCnotDLC]

16. Why Ryan's point is so stupid

If it wasn't so scandalous, why did the voters all reject him?

[redqueen]

22. Hi DNCnotDLC!

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Love your nick, btw... :thumbsup:

[arbusto_baboso]

17. "If you did nothing wrong, Jack, why did you drop out of the race?"

THIS is what we should be asking right now. It's what the 'Pukes would be blasting all over their echo chamber if it had happened to a Dem.

Slimy, woman-hating, two-faced, rat-bastard, gutless admixtures of baboon snot and goose shit!!

Oh, and BTW, did I say FUCK you RYAN?!?!?!

[cjbuchanan]

18. What gets me is that it was the GOP that did him in

It was not the Dems. Obama stayed the hell away from all this, as did most other Dems.

The repugs are the ones who gave him the boot. The repugs were the ones talking about this, yet they act like the Dems raised a stink. Just more dumb behavior from their side.

[yellowcanine]

21. The Republicans pressured Ryan to drop out because of sinking poll numbers

So where is the unfairness? There were no special prosecutors hounding him. If he felt there was no scandal, why didn't he stay in the race and take his licking at the polls like a man? Weenie Whiner! or Whining Weener. Take your pick.

[Liberal Veteran]

26. Unless they changed the wedding vows most people take....

He's a goddamned liar.

"Will you love her, comfort her, honor and keep her, in sickness and in health, and forsaking all others, be faithful to her as long as you both shall live?"

Trying to coerce your wife into having sex in a sex club kinda falls short on "Honor" and "forsaking all others" part of the standard marriage vows.

[physioex]

27. I would disagree.....

>Trying to coerce your wife into having sex in a sex club kinda falls short on "Honor" and "forsaking all others" part of the standard marriage vows.

These things are based on mutual consent. The problem came when he wanted to and she didn't.

[Liberal Veteran]

29. Isn't that kinda the definition of coercion?

In things like that, a single partner has veto power. He wanted to do these things, she didn't. He kept trying to convince her after she put her foot down on the issue.

[SunDrop23]

28. Hannity got beat down last night

Jack Kemp and Ralph Nader both slapped him around.

[sadiesworld]

31. C'mon Ryan, get back in the race.

Dems never wanted you out...WE LOVE YOU! :evilgrin:

[ewagner]

35. Similar story

When I was Mayor of a small town, we had a pseudo-Chippendale's Troupe coming into town for a "One-Night-Only Ladies Night". The local newspaper and church groups went nuts.... The guy who wrote the most aggressive LTTE came to my office to demand that I outlaw the troupe. He actually said to me: "You know, it's not like me or you going to a strip club, that's natural, it's like Ma and Pa Sex, but this is different."

The hypocrisy has never changed.

Just an aside:

The troupe did come to town and they did their performance. The Chair-person of my Library Board had to be removed because she got carried away.......

[Eric J in MN]

39. The real issue isn't sex clubs.

The real issue isn't sex clubs.

It's that Jack Ryan was so obnoxious to Jeri Ryan, not only at the sex clubs but at home, that she left him.

Yet his website says how much he cares about the traditional family.

"As an elected leader, my interest will be in promoting laws and educating people about the fundamental importance of the traditional family unit as the nucleus of our society."

For more information and PHOTOS of Jeri Ryan, vistit MOVELEFT.COM:

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_06_26_jack_ryan_family_values_hypocrite.asp

[louis-t]

40. Naw, Hannity just wanted the address of the sex club

and to get Ryan to talk about trying to convince 7 of 9 to blow him in public. Seany-Boy had a woody.