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Wed Jul-07-04 02:39 PM
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Repuke Coworker: "I took your $10 and saw F9/11 - Thank You" |
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"I am glad I saw it. Here is your $10 back."
Me: "Well?"
Him: "Pretty damning to Bush. I still think it is pure propoganda, albeit MAYBE factual, but propoganda nonetheless."
Me: "Did you learn anything from it?"
Him: "What is my choice? You don't think I am voting for Kerry do you?"
Me: "Well, what are you GOING to do? Anything?"
Him: "I am going to start to read a little more. Maybe I'll work on changing things on a local level. I don't like Bush as much as I did before but I really don't know what to do."
Me: "Anytime you want to talk, let me know."
I don't know what else to do but at least he saw the movie. I took the $10 and bought us each an Iced Coffee. Maybe he will sleep on it.
:shrug:
sorry this couldn't be more uplifting
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:40 PM
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1. he's asking questions, that's a giant leap for most repubes! |
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:40 PM
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2. Well, we can't expect miraculous changes overnight |
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If it makes Bush fans think, then that *is* uplifting.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:40 PM
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3. Did you ask him what he thought about |
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"now watch this drive"
and the "haves and the have mores?"
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:40 PM
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4. Maybe factual is a great start |
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:41 PM
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5. you believe that???!!?? |
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I'm telling you, he scored a rock of crack!!!! :D
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:41 PM
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6. Actually, you got the guy thinking |
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and that is a step in teh right direction.
subtle reinforcement with evidence to back up Moore's claims is what you need to do now.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:41 PM
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At least he was willing to see it |
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and repay the $10. I'd say that's honorable.
Sounds like he needs to spend some time working it out on his own. Good for him.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:41 PM
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Perhaps reading more will help your coworker figure it all out on his own terms .
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:41 PM
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7. tell him to vote for someone else... |
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...if he can't vote for Kerry. Write in John McCain's name, or something. A protest vote is a vote against Bush.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:41 PM
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This is a person who would have voted for Bu$h - now he may not (probably won't?). He didn't come back singing your or Mike's or Kerry's praises, but he's clearly thinking now, and he was obviously grateful. No fireworks, but him paying you back and saying he was glad to see it I think is telling.
Good show, matcom!
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:42 PM
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9. Good! Plus Dadcom coming around, |
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and now my mother cussing like a sailor!
People are getting it!
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:12 PM
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22. oh, Dadcom is 100% on board |
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but he might be embarrassed by your mommy :D
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:16 PM
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23. My God, can you believe that??? |
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I can imagine he would be shocked!!!
What shoved her over the edge were the stupid Republicans asking for money!
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:17 PM
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please tell your mom that I think she is damned sexy! (no offense intended) :D
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:42 PM
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10. Got him thinking. That is a start. And you can always |
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off the possibility of voting for a third party or indy candidate.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:42 PM
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11. You did something amazing |
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you planted a seed. Now he will be questioning everything Bush says - and that's a great start.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 PM
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At least he is thinking and questioning more. F9/11 with an assist from |
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you planted a seed of doubt. Now, just let it grow.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 PM
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12. Maybe he sits out this November... |
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That would be a pretty good outcome, given this type of person who never before considered that he has any CHOICE of who would get his votes.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:21 PM
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 PM
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you never know what can happen.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 PM
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14. It's hard sometimes for people to admit that they are wrong. |
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It makes them feel foolish. Give him time.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:50 PM
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I think this is just about the best outcome you could have hoped for.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 PM
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Is this a fundie guy you were talking about at the BBQ? |
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:43 PM
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15. he who expects nothing is never disapponted |
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what do you mean this wasn't uplifting? it's freakin' HUGE that he even went to see it! it's HUGE that now he is in a quandry about his vote! the seed of doubt has been planted. remember dadcom didn't come around over night!
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:44 PM
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16. Is this a fundie guy you were talking about at the BBQ? |
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:47 PM
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i'll keep you updated if anything else developes with him
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:44 PM
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17. Isn't this all we can expect? |
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We aren't looking for instantaneous converts, we are looking for people to start viewing Bush without the rose colored glasses. That is all Moore is offering, a moment when there isn't a rosey hue placed over Bush's actions.
What people do afterwards is entirely up to them. Some will choose to put those glasses back on, but I believe many others will choose differently, to seek out more information. They shouldn't take Moore's word for it, but hopefully it will bring them to read Palast, look over Kerry's history and platform, and really evaluate the information the media is handing them.
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:47 PM
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18. You planted a seed, Matcom- they take time to grow. |
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Wed Jul-07-04 02:51 PM
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21. Christ matcom that ONE VOTE could cost us Massachusetts!!! |
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:bounce:
Still it is good to get the word out. Word of mouth, from someone like him, could go along way.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:19 PM
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25. It's time to point out to disaffected Republicans |
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that they DO have a choice. They don't have to not vote, or vote for Kerry, to show their disgust with *. Tell them to vote for the Democrats running for the House and Senate in their state instead of the Republicans. That's a vote of no confidence in the current government's policies, and much more effective than replacing just the President. Or encourage them to write in the name of a Republican they prefer for President - McCain, maybe, or Jack Kemp - you know, an actual Republican, not an Armageddonite.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:26 PM
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27. its great - your respectful but engaging approach represents the best |
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of those who want real change in this country.
thank you for caring that much to talk to so many people.
we have to try and youre a great example of that
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:32 PM
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Was it the mother of the dead soldier going to D.C. and being verbally assaulted by that RW whore (my daughter said out loud in the theater "punch her!")
Or maybe it was the Caryle Group with GH Bush at the helm?
You know Moore left out the Moonies and the Washington Times.
Was it because he had the decency to not show the planes hitting the towers, and stuck to the emotion everyone was feeling. Except Bush. That was the first time I saw his krew standing around. There was nothing normal about that....propaganda.
Matcom sometimes you just can't win.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:32 PM
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29. Give him the $10 back |
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and tell him to see "The Corporation". Then he will get the whole picture. Micheal Moore has a cameo in it too.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:40 PM
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32. Now that's a damn fine idea! |
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:33 PM
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you made him think; that's pretty uplifting. i doubt he'll vote for kerry, but maybe he'll abstain. that doubles YOUR vote!
i'm uplifted!
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:39 PM
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31. You got him thinking about how the world works outside of the fantasy box |
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Edited on Wed Jul-07-04 03:41 PM by w4rma
that many Republicans seem to live in. That's a good start. :)
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:44 PM
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33. "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger. |
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Good place to start. http://www.houseofbush.com/Then there's "American Dynasty" by Kevin R. Phillips, a GOP Strategist of the First Rank. http://www.americandynasty.net/kp.htmWhen he's done, let me know. He won't be able to stop until that Little Turd from Crawford is in Leavenworth.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:46 PM
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I think that's the solution for those who don't want to vote for Bush, but can't bring themselves to vote for either a Dem or Kerry (I've met both types).
If you can't help, stay home.
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Wed Jul-07-04 03:47 PM
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35. Maybe start reading? I doubt it. |
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Wed Jul-07-04 05:00 PM
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36. Wingnut came to MY office today to argue about F9/11 |
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First thing I asked was "Have you seen it yet?" Answer: "No, I don't like Michael Moore and I'm not giving him any of my money." WTF? So he stays there for 15 minutes to argue about what he had 'heard' and the clips he's seen on TV! And, he tells me my problem is I don't ever want to listen to the other side and maybe I should watch O'Leilly and Fox news once in awhile. What a jerk.
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Wed Jul-07-04 05:12 PM
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37. Sounds like you gave him a political wedgie |
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Now that he feels uncomfortable, he can't live in denial. First he'll be angry, then he'll accept it, and then he'll be normal again and might vote for Kerry. Choose Kerry Lose Bush - FUCK BUSH - Drop Bush Not Bombs!http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
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