Is DU edging towards the right?

[CatWoman]

I've been seeing a lot of posts by starred DUers preaching the right wing talk.

Most have been denigrating and rude.

What the hell is going on here?

[Fenris]

1. What's on your mind, love?

What are you referring too?

[CatWoman]

6. The Moore/France thread in LBN, for one

and a couple threads here in GD.

[Fenris]

13. Hmm. You know, I can see that.

I have a hard time believing this site is moving to the right though. I think it's either the work of a few overzealous posters or, more than likely, disruptors.

And if you ever worry, just remember there are plenty of us stalwart, firebrand liberals to take them to task. ;)

:hug:

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[Terran]

49. Excuse me

You don't "call out" the CatWoman, alright? It. Ain't. Done.

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[sangh0]

64. Here's a few

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1927793

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1929032

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=368776

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1714321

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1616182

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1311741

[geek tragedy]

65. I was responding to the accusation that I was a freeper troll

I don't doubt that there are such losers hanging out here.

I was just calling out someone who accused me of being one myself.

[sangh0]

70. No you weren't. That's just not true

What you asked for, in an earlier post (check the threading) is "Provide examples please. I'm calling you out. Find me preaching the right-wing talk or apologize for engaging in cheap McCarthyism."

You didn't ask about why YOU were called a "freeper troll". You asked for examples or "right-wing talk"

Can't you even remember what you asked for?

[geek tragedy]

77. I said "find ME preaching the right-wing talk"

emphasis on the word ME. As in, show examples of ME preaching the right-wing talk.

[sangh0]

90. Methinks ye protests too much!!

No one mentioned any names but you seem a bit nervous about this. CatWoman just posed a question.

Also, you should see your own #47

[geek tragedy]

96. Someone did mention make a direct reference to my name, and

the reference to the Moore in France thread could only have been directed towards my comments.

[sangh0]

105. Not a direct reference

Believe it or not, there are many on DU who do not think "geek tragedy" whenever someone mentions a Moore thread.

[geek tragedy]

107. See post #14

You'll note, by the way, that the poster in question failed to respond to my challenge.

[sangh0]

110. Post #14 says nothing about you

but I bet you know a way to claim it is about you

[geek tragedy]

112. It's pretty obvious what the reference to "tragedy" meant

If you can't see that, that's on you.

[sangh0]

113. To you

Until this thread, I didn't even know you exist.

[geek tragedy]

114. You didn't make the comment

But, when someone discusses a thread where only one poster offered a dissenting opinion, and then someone else makes a reference to that poster's name, it's pretty clear what's going on.

[sangh0]

116. To you

but to me, when someone DOES NOT mention a name, it would seem like an effort to AVOID making it personal.

[geek tragedy]

118. It appeared to be a dishonest attempt to avoid breaking forum rules

by coming just short of accusing someone of being a freeper.

But, the person responsible for #14 hasn't bothered to respond, so we won't know.

[sangh0]

124. To you

but you shouldn't assume that other people would read it the same way as you did.

[West Coast Democrat]

117. Good picks.

At least one of those people has been tombstoned; another one is a poster several DUers have had suspicions about for a while; another one popped up just recently as an apparent disruptor.

[spanone]

78. Methinks ye protests too much!!

No one mentioned any names but you seem a bit nervous about this. CatWoman just posed a question.

[geek tragedy]

89. The Moore in France thread was aimed at me(as the only dissenting opinion)

and nothingshocksmeanymore referred to a "tragedy."

I've had multiple people insult me and suggest that I'm a freeper troll. Not one has come forward with any evidence. So, yeah I'm pissed.

[geek tragedy]

47. Please provide examples of right-leaning posts from the Moore thread

I'll bet a $20 donation to DU that you can't.

[WilliamPitt]

2. Instances?

[TexasSissy]

62. I've seen maybe two posts in the last two mos. I'd think of as RW-trending

I have not seen any threads that are RW. So I don't know what this is about.

I'm concerned that some posts are maybe centrist, or just left of centrist, and the poster thinks of them as RW because they're not left enough. I hope that's not the case.

[HuckleB]

100. I've got the same fear.

Especially since a couple of bizarre accusations have come my way from a couple of posters here during the past couple of months. To them, it seems, if I don't toe their particular line, then I am the enemy.

I'm not sure how it got to be like that around here.

[k in IA]

Which RW talking points? I haven't been around most of the day.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. They're called disruptors-starred on not

very obvious...

[Az]

4. Not in this little lefties head

But there are a lot of newbies showing up and there will be trends in this big tent. Its up to us to convince them about the merrits of the left. Don't see it as an invasion. See it as an opportunity.

[Dookus]

5. it depends...

some people consider supporting Kerry to be a right-wing action. Some people consider defending Kerry to be a right-wing action. Some people consider not voting for Nader to be a right-wing action.

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[Dookus]

28. sigh

I can't help it. It's a birth defect.

[GOPisEvil]

7. Well, dammit, I'm just not sure we can trust Edwards...

...slimy lawyer that he is! Dammit! :P

(Note: I'm kidding!)

[CatWoman]

11. Yeah!!!

that's one of them!!!!!!

[lastliberalintexas]

55. Ahem

:spank:


;-)

[elperromagico]

8. Two questions.

1. What constitutes "a lot"?
2. What percentage of 40,000+ is this "lot"?

[CatWoman]

10. Well, I've been away most of the day

so I'm using the past two hours as a "rule of thumb".

I don't normally run across that many of those posts in two hours.

[elperromagico]

17. Some people may just be playing Devil's advocate,

and some... well... uhh... oh fuck it. *feigns unconsciousness*

[Kahuna]

9. Any specifics? I haven't seen that myself.. Maybe you have..

an example or two.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Start keeping track of the posters with stars that consistently....

...post in a negative way. I call them the DU "Freeper-Sleepers".

[library_max]

16. In that case, you might want to check out the Gungeon.

AKA the Justice and Public Safety forum.

[CatWoman]

21. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

*runs away*

:D

[FeebMaster]

31. Yeah it's full of authoritarians happy to support

any gun control the Republicans pass. Why, it wasn't so long ago they were even pimping John McCain, a Republican, for VP.

[ContinentalOp]

60. I started doing this a while back.

Instead of putting obvious or suspected freepers on ignore I add them to my buddy list. It's pretty shocking how quickly my list has grown.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

15. all the 'damn dirty trial layer" stuff is pretty sad

why not go off against union thugs, feminazis, and the gay agenda while we're at it?

[Massacure]

18. Whats wrong if DU moves a little right?

Personally some people on this board are a little left for my taste, but that doesn't make me a conservative. There are 46,000 people here, it's not like everyone is going to agree with you.

[Carson]

25. I agree, Massacure.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

40. Well golly gosh..with an antiabortion flamefest as your first thread

who knew?

[lojasmo]

36. If it moves much farther to the right.....

Skinner will have to change the name.

[iconoclastic cat]

19. I don't know, CatWoman---I've said some dumbass things in my time...

That doesn't mean that I can't turn around and decide that I was wrong. And that certainly doesn't make me a mole/troll/disruptor/etc.

Do you have any examples?

[CatWoman]

24. scroll up....................

[underpants]

20. WHY DO YOU HATE DU SO MUCH?

Sorry couldn't resist.

[CatWoman]

23. lol

*munching on french fries*

:hi:

[Karenina]

34. Errrraaa... FREEDOM FRIES!

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA????

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I'm Curious...

What are a few examples of right wing thinking?



Besides our collective distaste for the Simian In Chief DUers are a very disparate group from garden variety liberals to Marxists...

[wadestock]

27. Are there really any significant left vs right issues?

When you look at what's out there....they have nothing to really stand on....ironically because that's what they're accusing us of.

Abortion, gun control and religion are trumped up non issues....I simply dismiss them as the right's tactic to make liberals look morally incompetent.

The WAR....this is not a left vs right issue....it's an issue of the plain fact that we never needed a WAR...and we won't benefit in any way shape or form by establishing a permanent military base in Iraq.

Tax breaks for the rich?
This is the REAL issue that they're worried about.
I certainly hope no DU'er thinks Kerry shouldn't recind W's tax breaks to the rich. I also certainly hope the majority of DU'ers are knowledgeable enough to know that growth rates do NOT equal any measure of our society's health and simply AIDS (in its current format) in the destruction of our middle class. As a matter of fact, much of the economic growth has directly come at the EXPENSE of our middle class.

So what's left?
I'm AM concerned about Kerry's position on increasing the military and adding a couple more divisions....I don't want to see him overcompensating on trying to make dems look strong on defense....so this is a concern for me.

[dumpster_baby]

91. glad to see I am not the only one thinking about these issues

Yep, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, all just wedge issues trumped up by the media and the Dem and GOP party elite, all designed to keep the public debate away from the REAL issues, namely: increasing the tax rate on the high income wealthy types, and then using that money to fund healthcare for everyone, longterm unemployment and welfare for everyone when needed, and also for funding a host of other programs.

THAT is what they want to keep out of the public debate.

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. I hope not. I hope folks feel free to lean as left as they want around

here.

[supernova]

30. I've noticed it also

bizarre, really. I mean if you're going to disrupt, why bother donating and paying for the privilege?

I'm all for funding the costs of the site but it seems a dubious thing to do if you just want to come here and, in so many words, tell us we're too liberal. :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Who's Too Liberal...

I think we are more united but what we aren't than by what we are...

[lojasmo]

33. Certainly to the right of me...always has been N/T

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Who's To The Right On You...

NT

[sendero]

37. It's hard to tell...

... the difference between disruptors and folks who just have a concern sometimes. If a questionable poster has less than a hundred or so, I think disruptor.

But if someone has lots of posts, it is a hard call. Do we think that people are lying low for a thousand posts only to pounce with their talking points? I suppose it is possible. But I notice a great deal of free-floating anxiety around here that comes out in all sorts of doubts. Some of these folks just need a big hug :)

Hey, I consider myself somewhat of a leftist but then I'm not anti-gun so I don't pass many people's litmus test. Should someone call me a disruptor they'd better stay well away from the monitor :)

[onecitizen]

121. OR they have no idea what.........

they're talking about but wanna pretend they do. You can't really call them disruptor's can you? Isn't that more of a case of wanting to be noticed?

[westsidexview]

38. it is a sign of kerry's imminent victory

the left feels a push to the middle. this is a natural response to accommodate the all the voters on the bandwagon. this is the birth of a democratic president. the question is how shall the entrenched status quo of the left take all the freshly politically enlightened but still conditioned ditto heads.

[Forkboy]

39. Compared to 3 years ago?

Hell fucking yes!

[Hornito]

41. Agree Forkboy! BTW, you've been around so long now, shouldn't

you be "Forkman"? Just kidding! LOL!

[Forkboy]

44. heh...I'll always be a kid at heart

:)

[Pastiche423]

43. lol

My exact thought.

[Jazzgirl]

42. Not moi!

I've been holding back hollering "freeper" because I've been suspicious of a few posts. Lots of newbies too. Had a bad feeling I might get tombstoned if I hollered "freep" too loud. :-)

[HuckleB]

46. If anything, it seems to be going the other way.

That's just my observation, of course. One can't even offer a critique on a book, the content of which one agrees with, without having some posters cast aspersions upon one's true political philosophy. It's ridiculous, the all-consuming, black and white thinking that comes from the some of the more extreme so-called "leftists" around here.

Sorry, just couldn't help myself.

Umm. But I still don't see any examples of this RW "infiltration" being offered.

[jukes]

48. CatWoman

i haven't seen it, but may be on wrong threads. i suggest you tag alert & let the mods sort it out.

[David Zephyr]

50. Yes. Especially With Regards to the Following:

Yes.

More anti-abortion rhetoric and threads.

More thinly-veiled anti-semitism.

More thinly-veiled homophobia.

Yes, Catwoman.

[ParanoidPat]

51. I just can't bring myself to cheer about the administrations misfortune.

LOL! :evilgrin:

Pardon me while I go run out to buy some duct tape and plastic sheeting because there really are terrorists out to kill me! :)

When I get back perhaps you can explain how Kerry and Bush* are any different from one another. ;-)

<HEAVY SARCASM> lest anyone NOT get it!

[blindpig]

52. seems that way to me

though I haven't been around that long.The level of animosity generated by the primaries certainly hasn't decreased as much as I would have thought. Maybe some folks desperate to oust bu$h are reaching too far to the middle for a perceived win. Unnecessary and self defeating, IMHO.

[West Coast Democrat]

53. Some of the Abortion threads started recently are very disruptive

And there are a few posters who are starting these sort of threads periodically.

[DrWeird]

56. Freepers think they're getting smarter...

But they ain't. Remember that donating, 1000+ post, racist freeper that got banned the other day in my "ebonics" thread?

I mean, really. We all know who they are.

In fact, I've compiled a list...

[geek tragedy]

57. "I have in my hand a list . . "

Jeez, where have I heard that one before?

[HuckleB]

61. Oh boy.

Now that's sounds like McCarthyism.

Sorry, but it does.

On edit:

"Paranoia. Big destroyer."

I wonder if some posters aren't actually outsmarting themselves. This all seems like junior high rumor mill nonsense, and keeps everyone away from genuine discussion, not to mention away from our focus on winning the election this fall.

Hmm. Getting us focused on supposed disruptors does sound a bit Rovian, doesn't it?

Yikes.

See how easy it is to assume?

[sangh0]

66. The difference = "McCarthy didn't actually have a list"

He just claimed he did. Some DUers do have a list

[geek tragedy]

69. That doesn't make them any better eom

[DrWeird]

72. Except I'm not trying to ruin innocent peoples lives.

In fact, the whole "list" thing was a joke.

Nice way to overreact though.

[HuckleB]

75. So you actually don't have a list?

Which is it, then?

As for your accusation of overreaction, nice try. Your post clearly comes across as hard-ass, not a joke. The responses were in kind.

[DrWeird]

82. I haven't got a list...

I do, however, have a very good memory.

[HuckleB]

87. Good on both accounts!

Keep that mind active, and you'll likely keep that good memory for a long, long time.

:)

[sangh0]

74. Yes, it does make us better

unless you think "there's no difference" (another right-wing talking point) between the truth and a lie

[HuckleB]

79. Huh?

A little vague there.

[geek tragedy]

81. The main harm is in the attempt to intimidate and harass people through a

bullying tactic like an "un-American" or "freeper" list.

In that respect, it is the same. That is what I meant.

[DrWeird]

86. "intimidate and harass people"

Isn't that exactly what freepers are trying to do?

[HuckleB]

92. Yes. So what's your point?

[geek tragedy]

93. Ironic, isn't it? eom

[sangh0]

And which DUer is using a list to intimidate and harass people?

.

[DrWeird]

95. I don't know.

Catwoman?

[CatWoman]

108. LOL

and I'm checking it twice.

Gonna make sure who's

naughty or nice

:D

[sangh0]

109. Me! Me! Me!

I can be naughty *OR* nice

[geek tragedy]

98. Someone mentioned that he had a list

that's a classic McCarthyite tactic. The only purpose is to intimidate people who may be worried that they're on that list.

[DrWeird]

101. Ah, but the only people who would be intimidated...

must obviously be freepers!

Where's my big black pen?

[geek tragedy]

102. Are you kidding me?

Please say yes.

[HuckleB]

71. So all the blacklisting of folks was all a hoax?

Seems like you missed a big part of the history of the House UnAmerican Committee.

[sangh0]

76. Seems like you can't do any better

than straw men.

I said there was no list. I did NOT say that there was no HUAC. Try to argue with something I've actually said.

[HuckleB]

85. Nice try.

You argued with a strawman, I argued back. You don't like the tit for tat of reality? So sorry.

GOT LIST?

:9

[sangh0]

97. What strawman did I use?

Someone claimed that the mention of a list was no different than what McCarthy did, and I responded by pointing out a difference. Since my post responded to a point someone else had raised, how could it possibly be a straw man?

[HuckleB]

104. Unbelievable.

You know that the history of McCarthy goes well beyond the list that didn't exist, and it includes the list that did. The one that ruined thousands of lives. You chose to play games, ignoring that part of the story.

Oh, did you forget that that's what you did?

I guess so.

Stop the games.

Sheesh.

[sangh0]

106. What is unbelievable?

I wasn't playing any games, and didn't ignore anything. The post which I responded to said nothing about the HUAC, and it's list. The post DID mention McCarthy and HIS list, and so that is what I responded to.

Maybe the next time, I'll write a history book about the HUAC and post it.

on edit: And your post shows that you don't even know what a straw man is. Your complaint is that I ignored a part of history. That is NOT a straw man.

If you're going to accuse me of something, you should at least learn the proper word for it. You accused me of "Framing the issue"

[HuckleB]

111. Oh boy. You don't quit, do you. UNBELIEVABLE!!!

You are still playing games. McCarthy is so intertwined with HUAC... oh, never mind. You don't want to play honestly, fine. I'm not going to bother with your nonsense anymore.

What a waste. More typical Internet crap.

Grow up. You got called out. Admit your game for once.

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!

:puke:

:mad:

:grr:

:thumbsdown:

x(

[sangh0]

115. Yes, I know McCarthy is entwined with HUAC

but the point I responded to said nothing about HUAC.

And if you had a reasonable argument for why I should comment about anything and everything McCarthy-related, you wouldn't be expending so much effort in calling me names

[HuckleB]

119. Oh brother.

See you did know, but you chose to play games.

Come clean.

My argument is reasonable. You're just playing the usual Internet nonsense. I'm being honest. You chose to play the dishonest route. Got too much pride? What is it with you?

It's unbelievable. It's ridiculous. And you and I both know it, regardless of what sort of spin you decide to play in return.

You got caught. It's very clear. Now admit it, and move on!

[sangh0]

122. Your argument is not reasonable

which explains why you devote so little time and effort to it. If you would explain why you think I have an obligation to discuss everything McCarthy related whenever his name is mentioned, then I could respond to it. But instead, all you do is assert that I should have discussed HUAC without ever explaining why.

If you're going to assert that I have an obligation to discuss everything that's related to McCarthy, you're going to have to explain yourself. As far as I can tell, I see no such obligation.

[HuckleB]

126. McCarthyism covers a large part of history.

You know it. I know it.

You chose to play games by pretending that you could just pick one part of that history out and ignore all the rest. You know it. I know it.

You just keep digging that hole. No one expects a discussion of the whole of McCarthyism. But we do expect you to come clean when you choose to play games as you have done here today.

I am waiting for an apology.

I am expecting an apology.

[HuckleB]

120. Wow!

You just claimed that I'm expending effort "calling (you) names." Yet, I've not done so.

Does it ever end?

[sangh0]

125. Here's your "name-calling"

"You are still playing games."

"You don't want to play honestly"

"your nonsense"

"More typical Internet crap."

"Grow up."

Nope, no name-calling

[DrWeird]

127. Alright, look.

I was obviously making a "Nixon's enemy list" so you can stop with this commie/McCarthy bunk.

[CatWoman]

83. YUP!!!!!

:hi: Doc

[AspenRose]

58. I remember a thread CatWoman

There was one yesterday about a disjoin between Kerry and Clinton, saying that the Clintons really didn't want Kerry to win the election. I think the person who started the thread said the topic was being discussed with a guest on Majority Report and they wanted to know why Clinton wouldn't support Kerry. The accusation of Clinton sabotaging Kerry's election is a classic RW radio talking point; they like to drive home the idea of Hillary running for president.

[efhmc]

68. I remember that also. But as wrong as that assumption is what is wrong

with discussing what is being said on the Majority Report? Do you think it might get picked up and be posted elsewhere or that the person doing it was just trolling to cause grief? (spelling)

[AspenRose]

84. Hard to say.

:shrug:

Sometimes the disruption is more obvious than others.

[efhmc]

103. Well, sometimes I so disagree with a poster and I really wonder why they

are here. The core folks are not going to change their minds and the waste of the freeper's time is mindboggling. Is it just so they can run to another site and brag about how they got their agenda into DU? Again, what have they accomplished?

[scarletwoman]

59. I had a post deleted the other day, when I called someone out.

Only the second time EVER in the 3+ years I've been here (and the first time was a response to the late unlamented Carlos, so that hardly counts, imho :evilgrin: ).

I absolutely DETEST posts that start out "How should we respond to yadda yadda yadda (insert rw talking point)?" Since my latest response to this tactic got deleted, I think from now on I'm just going to say, "What do you mean WE, paleface?"

I'm SURE there are stealth disruptors here, no matter how high their post count. How many post counts get purposely inflated by diddling around in the Lounge? As for having a star, someone could send in a measly $5 and get one -- pretty cheap for a determined saboteur, methinks.

All I can say is, give no ground, give no quarter. I do my best to keep my antenna up, and NOT get sucked into their game. Never allow someone to set a frame for discussion that you KNOW is bogus. Resist, refuse, reframe!

sw

[efhmc]

63. Well, I have always felt there were many antifeminists here but that

has been the case since I first signed on. I almost decided that I was too weak for DU after getting blasted yesterday for "presenting right wing talking points". Perhaps I did not state my question too well but I was not happy at that accusation. Believe me when I say that every day that I am forced to live in bush country, I become more left leaning.

[ronnykmarshall]

67. Hesh up LIEberal!!

You DEMON-crats are all alike!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

73. It's demon-crap, moran :)

[Renew Deal]

80. No it's DemoRAT

[CatWoman]

88. you're ALL wrong!!

it's Lib-tard :D

[DrWeird]

94. You DUHmmie!

It's liebrul!

[Renew Deal]

99. She's not a DUHmmie

She's an Evil DUer

[tritsofme]

123. This is possibly the most ridiculous thread I have seen on this forum

You people need to stop acting like children, and buckle down for what we have ahead of us.

[Moderator]

128. Locking......

This is flamebait.


Per DU rules if you think someone
is a disruptor please use the alert
feature so the the moderators can
evaluate the situation.


Thank you

DU Moderator