Bush/McCaine

[Nile]

Forget the October surprise this one is going to be a September one. September 1st at the convention to be exact. Cheney is going to resign due to health and family reasons and Bush will announce McCaine as his running mate for VP. My source must remain anonymous for now but I may be able to give a few hints here and there to get you close to who that source may be.

[leftistagitator]

1. Bush/Cocaine

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I don't know, it's possible, but it contradicts the Bush* attitude that we need to "stay the course".

[Nile]

9. Somebody has to fill the slot if Cheney resigns.

No?

[theboss]

23. In that unlikely scenario....

...the obvious choice would be Condi Rice (who the Repub base loves).

[Nile]

26. He has to cater to more than the far right to win.

McCain can shore up the centrists. The right will not likely vote for Kerry because of McCain on the ticket. They will vote for Bush or not at all.

[theboss]

30. "the not at all" is the problem

"Winning the center" is all well and good, but close elections really depend on getting your base to the polls. Bush can't afford for Social Conservatives to stay home.

McCain is never going to be on a National Republican ticket.

[Nile]

39. They are not counting on it being a close election.

They are counting on all or nothing. Well almost all, there are a few states that they are writing off. But over all they expect a landslide.

[Guaranteed]

2. OK. So...

Who's your source? :)

[Nile]

15. If bones could talk.

*

[parasim]

3. Do you mean John McCain?

or is there a McCaine (with an "e") that your source is referring to?

[Nile]

12. Yes

*

[unblock]

4. stop and think about who mccain would really rather see in the oval office

mccain hates bush.
mccain likes kerry.
bush hates mccain.
kerry likes mccain.
mccain can smell the political coffee and can see bush losing bigtime.
as a losing vp candidate, mccain would be a political washup.
as a losing vp candidate, mccain would be forced to sour his relationship with kerry.
but if doesn't run, then he's in a great position as a senior senator with great access to president kerry. he could get a lot accomplished with that arrangement.
but even as veep in a bush white house, he'd have less clout. cheney would still run the show. or maybe poppy or someone else, but no way bush would let mccain have the role cheney has now.

[Newkophile]

6. Maybe I'm naive, but....

I can see McCain expressing support for Bush in order to solidify his own base in Arizona, but I can't see McCain accepting a VP slot and then going on the stump to do the bashing of Kerry that would then be required of him. McCain has gone out of his way to be fair and civil, qualities that would earn him no points with Rove et al.

[SayitAintSo]

27. I tend to agree with you ... McCain is in the best position now

I can't see him giving it up, unless he falls prey to the "duty calls... I'll serve at the pleasure of my president @#%$"....He will never forget what Bush did to him ... and I can't see him screwing his friend Kerry ... remember this is the guy that spit in the face of the guards at the Hanoi Hilton before he narced or rolled on his friends....

[Swamp Rat]

5. Nope. I believe that McCaine would rather be President or

highest ranking GOP Sentaor. Also, with so much bad news coming out about Bush, the power elite may want to dump Bush and put in McCaine.

[Nile]

10. The plan is McCain in 08.

Running as an incumbent VP.

[City Lights]

24. I find that difficult to believe, simply because of his age.

He was born in 1936. In 2008 he'll be 72.

[Nile]

25. Think of the senior citizens vote.

Many seniors love McCane.

[City Lights]

29. People of all ages like McCain, but I remain skeptical about

a run for president in 2008.

[Nile]

38. All they have to do is capture 2004 and McCain is setup.

You do not see anyone challenging Bush within the republican party this year, do you?

[Irishladdie]

18. McCain

He is a pawn of both the Re pub's and the Dem's. He is of no worth to either party because he uses both party's for his own political gains. I know many Republicans who don't trust his motives and almost every Democrat doesn't trust him. He is a user, who looks out for himself. I know some might flame me because he served in our military valiantly. Thats great, but he still uses both major political parties for his own personal gains.

[goclark]

46. That's what I think

Bush out.
McCain in.
Cheney = ill,must resign.
New Vice = Rudy?

[union_maid]

7. Well.....

We've all thought about this scenario. It makes sense from the GOP POV, but there's a big BUT. Bush really stuck it to McCain in 2000. McCain, of course, tried to fight back. There's got to be a LOT of documented stuff that was said at that time. The Kerry campaign has already shown that it will use it if it has to, not against McCain, but against Bush.

[jmags]

36. Not to mention the many public statements McCain has made

criticizing Bush the past few years. The negative comments between Kerry and Edwards during the primaries is nothing compared to the goldmine that is the Bush/McCain feud. For this reason alone, McCain could never go on board with Bush.

It aint gonna happen. But if it does, we will still win.

[BurtWorm]

48. You know something though? Why is he all of a sudden so friendly

with Bush, appearing in anti-Kerry ads?

[Ganja Ninja]

8. Source please.

I hate this "I've got a source but I can't reveal it" stuff.

Personally I think if Cheney steps down it will be for legal reasons and Bush will be dropping out too.

[Nile]

11. Let me just say that...

I heard it in the crypt.

[opihimoimoi]

13. Didn't the Bush Camp say many bad things about McCain in 2000??

So Bad, that McCain had to drop out of the race....?

[Redhead488]

14. I knew it!!!

Jimma Hoffa! Cool!

[The Icon Painter]

21. Sure - You're in Skull and Bones

Your 'cryptic' clues aren't very. I assume you want us to believe that you have a source in S&B if you aren't one of the elite yourself.

[Nile]

28. Can not say but...

I live near New Haven.

[theboss]

34. You are a janitor at Yale

Got it.

Go Bulldogs.

[Nile]

40. Yale, what is Yale??

;-)

[Nile]

37. Madame, please, are you calling me a bonesman??

What the hey is a bonesman? :eyes: Never heard of that before. Can not answer that one.:toast:

[theboss]

16. For the millionth time.....

The Republican Base by and large does not like McCain. Christ, they tried to recall him a few years ago. The Christian Right really dislikes McCain and Bush is not going to anger them.

To be quite honest, I don't know who McCain's constituency is besides Larry King, Don Imus, and Chris Matthews. I think his popular support is largely a media myth.

[Nile]

20. McCain is a well known war hero.

It is all politics.

[theboss]

22. He is not a well-liked war hero though

Bush is not going to piss off his most ardent supporters six weeks before the election.

[Nile]

41. Do not know about that.

But he has name recognition.

[sldavis]

17. Bush/Giuliani?

I don't think McCain wants to be VP, but I can absolutely picture Cheney resigning. My guess is that they'd pull out Rudy Guiliani to replace him, thinking that he could help them in the northeast.

[Beaker]

67. nt in a party that values family values.

rudy has a spacious walk-in skeleton closet.

[porphyrian]

19. Might As Well Bring Discord All The Way To The Top Posts

Don't they hate each other? Who would vote for that shit?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. i saw McCain yesterday say on national TV "I will NOT be bush*s VP"

he will NOT forget nor forgive bushco for what they did to him in NC and his "brown baby"

[wadestock]

32. This could influence the SWING vote

So therefore it would be a big deal.

Yes it's true McCain has become a dumb ass in terms of the war and supporting Bush in any way after begin chewed up and spit out by the right wing neocon machine...but stranger things have happened in this party....

Problem is, this could be WORKED to attract independents or swing voters....

What the real problem would be is that it could be spun as "Bush's epiphany" ....a real undercover move to "get rid of the trash".....thus getting rid of the most insidious connection to Haliburton and making Bush look as if he can now function better.

Yes of course this has no real significance in terms of changing the ultra right wing course this admin is on. It's down right anti-McCain when you look at what they're planning in terms of tax strategies.

But they have already chewed up and spit out McCain...and he's still stupid enough to go along with the party that represents death for the middle class working man....so the dumb slob might be stupid enough at this point to go along with some deal.

It worries me and is just potentially another step downward for the sleaze that they are committing....but entirely possible when you consider what we're dealing with here....

[TexasSissy]

33. Won't happen. McCain will never subjugate his policies to Bush's.

I predict that if * wins (and I hope not), McCain will be our new SOS. It is expected that Powell is leaving that post, anyway.

Powell might be the new V.P., though.

[Nile]

43. All I can say is...

do not bet your life's savings on it.

[merh]

52. McCain would get great satifaction from it - GOP groveling

at his feet, begging him to save them.....

[Rich Hunt]

35. ummmmm, that's funny...

do we know each other, or do people you know know people I know?

because I got the same "memo" this morning, from a source I'm close to.

[Nile]

42. Have not seen a memo.

Just listen and and join discussion.

[Rich Hunt]

44. i mean

we might be tapped into the same vine. i heard the same thing from a trusted source.

[merh]

50. McCain VP, then chimp has to resign, then McCain pardons

as P. Happened before - Nixon - Agnew - Ford - pardon, pardon, Pardon Me!

[burrowowl]

45. Would not be good

I don't know why McCain is well-liked, he has corporate interests at heart, as well as Corp Media. Just go look at the bills he sponsors.
Look at the people here on DU thinking a Kerry/McCain ticket.
People have short memories of the 2000 Carolina dirty tricks.
Bad news, but logical if the Repukes want to win.

[mdmc]

47. Cheney will be induced into a comma..

but other than that, your bet seems right on.

[Worthless Teen]

49. Sadly, my parents are very involved in the GOP

And according to my Dad, there's NO WAY Bush drops Cheney, unless Cheney actually has legitimite health problems. It would be seen as the "flip-flop" that the Bush team has hammered Kerry for. Despite his recent criticism of Bush, I've heard Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel is a favorite for 2008- the GOP really wants to move away from the far-right, and appeal to more moderate voters down the road. My '08 I think most would agree that McCain would be too old for POTUS.

[merh]

51. The movie Dave is a great script to follow - F'u falls ill, is

incapacitated - runs things from behind the curtain.

[Sterling]

59. No one has considered the criminal factor at play here.

Cheney is "on the team". I am not sure McCain is inside enough to be trusted by the BFEE.

Cheney not only has the goods on everyone else he can be trusted not to spill the beans and do ANYTHING needed to fulfill their agenda. I think McCain is a big risk for them.

[Nile]

53. No need to induce coma.

Cheney is a willing accomplice.

[merh]

54. Well that is no surprise, he has been these last 4 years.

But unless he drops out because of health reasons, the base will not like it. For some unknown reason, they trust him, think he is the solid base that clown in chief relies on.

[Nashyra]

55. McCain as vp

*/McCain win the, new congress impeaches * and McCain goes along with it and becomes President, does not pardon anyone in the * administration and wins in a landslide in 2008?

[Nile]

56. Forget impeachment.

It is not in the stars for this year.

[merh]

58. With McCain on ticket, they truly believe that they can win?

Doesn't that tick off their base? There is so much that can be used against them (flip/flop) after * attacked McCain in 2000. Bury hatchetts amongst themselves, but how does that satisfy the base?

[goclark]

60. McCain has no EYE appeal

I don't mean any harm but for all the Repubs who have been asleep and all the young voter, would McCain wake them up?

I can't see it. If they announced tomorrow that Bush will resign and Chaney will take an illness safe face resignation, what would the Joe average Republican say... I think they would say ,,,zzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzz.

McCain looks just like a regular Rethug to me. There is nothing that brings the vigor that I see by adding Edwards to the Democratic ticket. Where is the excitement vote? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Do they have any handsome YOUNG repubs? Please don't say Arrnold,he was not born in America AND hopefully he will be headed up the Sacramento River for groping one of the State interns.

[merh]

61. I agree with you -- McCain just doesn't have it.

Maybe he will be VP on the ticket - but doesn't his appointment for real have to be approved by Congress? That will take time, even if they own the congress. At best, he get's to be VP and pardons a few folks after chimps nervous breakdown and resignation. Nixon, Agnew, Ford, pardon, pardon :puke:


(on edit - their pretty boy hope for the future was Jack Ryan and his fondness for leather and cages interferred with their plans.)

[goclark]

62. There is always Jeb- just kidding n/t

[merh]

66. BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA

Hopefully if the Plame investigation goes as others have predicted, Jeb may be filing papers to legally change his last name.

I think * should be synonymous with Benedict Arnold and Judas Iscariot. Poppy is as corrupt as his evil offspring. (Speaking of which, where the hell has Neil been?)

[merh]

57. It could happen - but don't see them offering the VP

unless they have some type of guarantee he pardons.

[smiley_glad_hands]

63. Nile is screwing with your head. This is a fake thread. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

64. The only replacement running mates will be Frist or Santorum

McCain is an independent and won't be anybody's running mate. Powell won't take it and Condi is too much of a lightweight.

[Imalittleteapot]

65. John McCain could not - would not serve under that

imbecile in the oval office or with his lying neocon administration. I don't believe he can forgive and forget - he hates Bush. McCain is no lap dog and would loose credibility. Why would he chance it?
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