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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:30 PM
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Iraq Survey Group: Donald Rumsfeld's al Qaeda by John Stanton and
Wayne Madsen.

Publicly, the Iraq Survey Group is looking for those WMD's-but actually it is one of Rumsfeld's intelligence organizations. Since the Senate blames the CIA for faulty intelligence, one can only wonder how much faulty intelligence/lies actually came from groups like this.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/070904Stanton-Madsen/070904stanton-madsen.html
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:34 PM
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1. We should find out
in maybe December
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:50 PM
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2. Complete timeline of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq: Douglas Feith's Pentagon
offices from The Center for Cooperative Research.

I don't think these neo-conservative traitors want the public to go beyond blaming the CIA, yet there is much more to the rush to war than the CIA taking the fall-and these people and groups have names.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&iraq_themes=officeOfSpecialPlans
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:04 PM
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15. The Guardian mentiones the OSP
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 02:00 PM by seemslikeadream


The Guardian:
....
Yet when the analysts came before the committee, as the report points out, none "stated that the questions were unreasonable, or that they were encouraged by the questioning to alter their conclusions regarding Iraq's links to al-Qaida."

Critics of the investigation have put that reticence down to the fact that CIA minders were present at the questioning and to the fact that it, in purely career terms, it would be worse to admit to changing analysis in response to political pressure, than getting the analysis wrong in the first place.

Whether or not the analysts who spoke to the committee felt they could speak freely or not, none implicated the administration. The single exception to this appears to be Doug Feith, the under-secretary of defence for policy, who set up the Office of Special Plans to prepare the way for the invasion, and who is alleged to have set up his own channel for unvetted intelligence from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader, Ahmad Chalabi.

But as Senator Rockefeller put it yesterday, the committee felt it had only scratched the surface. "We've done a little bit of work on the number three guy in the defence department, Douglas Feith, part of his alleged efforts to run intelligence past the intelligence community altogether, his relationship with the INC and Chalabi, who was very much in favour with the administration. And was he running a private intelligence failure, which is not lawful?"
more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1258055,00.html

Ooops! Funny story about that mention of OSP. Seems it disappeared over night.

muriel_volestrangler
At last! One major news outlet has mentioned the OSP!
The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1258055,00....
Yet when the analysts came before the committee, as the report points out, none "stated that the questions were unreasonable, or that they were encouraged by the questioning to alter their conclusions regarding Iraq's links to al-Qaida."

Critics of the investigation have put that reticence down to the fact that CIA minders were present at the questioning and to the fact that it, in purely career terms, it would be worse to admit to changing analysis in response to political pressure, than getting the analysis wrong in the first place.

Whether or not the analysts who spoke to the committee felt they could speak freely or not, none implicated the administration. The single exception to this appears to be Doug Feith, the under-secretary of defence for policy, who set up the Office of Special Plans to prepare the way for the invasion, and who is alleged to have set up his own channel for unvetted intelligence from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader, Ahmad Chalabi.

But as Senator Rockefeller put it yesterday, the committee felt it had only scratched the surface. "We've done a little bit of work on the number three guy in the defence department, Douglas Feith, part of his alleged efforts to run intelligence past the intelligence community altogether, his relationship with the INC and Chalabi, who was very much in favour with the administration. And was he running a private intelligence failure, which is not lawful?"

I'm not quite sure what he means by "running a private intelligence failure" - maybe it should read "private intelligence operation"? Still, at least the names are out there.

seemslikeadream
muriel_volestrangler please look at this
from your link
Whether or not the analysts who spoke to the committee felt they could speak freely or not, none implicated the administration.

However, the senate committee found that Doug Feith, the undersecretary of defence for policy, had set up an Iraq "intelligence cell" inside the Pentagon to forage through old reports about links between Baghdad and al-Qaida, which Mr Feith's boss, Donald Rumsfeld, and the vice-president, Dick Cheney, used to second guess the CIA's scepticism on the matter. Much of the intelligence it processed came from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader, Ahmad Chalabi.
------------------

Whether or not the analysts who spoke to the committee felt they could speak freely or not, none implicated the administration. The single exception to this appears to be Doug Feith, the under-secretary of defence for policy, who set up the Office of Special Plans to prepare the way for the invasion, and who is alleged to have set up his own channel for unvetted intelligence from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader, Ahmad Chalabi.

Reference to Office of Special Plans is gone! That's what first caught my eye, or did I miss it?

pduck
OMG, You're right!
I could have sworn it was in the article yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1960202#1964594

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:05 PM
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3. When Bush was installed the neo-conservatives forced many intelligence
people that were in supervisory and other key positions out via resignations and early retirements-this also happened in law enforcement and the military.

They brought their own folks in, they effectively negated all those professonals that weren't ideologically "pure" (PNAC)-consequentally we find a daughter of Dick Cheney in charge of ME economic affairs/OIL, among other outrages.

The Pentagon Muzzles the CIA by Robert Dreyfuss
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:18 AM
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12. They don't call it the Bush Organized Crime Family for nothin'.
Smirko or Sneer authorized the planes loaded with bin Ladens, bin Mahfouz, to fly post 9-11. This amounted to aiding an escape, an action likely greased by billions of petrodollars. As the author below asks, just how DID Bandar Bush know it was bin Laden so fast?

The Secret Saudi Flight on 9-13
Could be the Key to the Bush-Saudi-Al Qaeda Connection


By Catherine Arnie

EXCERPT...

Regarding the curious fact that the flight had taken place when all other air traffic was still grounded, Dan Grossi said "he was told that clearance for the flight had come from the White House after the Prince's family pulled a favor from former President Bush."

SNIP...

I remember wondering how on earth our government could have authorized a flight out of the country before they even knew who the perpetrators of the attacks were?

And further, why did the families of the young men "perceive a threat" when it wasn't yet clear on the 13th of September exactly WHO had attacked America or where they were from?

According to a transcript on the State Departments website of a statement given by a "Senior White House Official" on September 13 at 5:22 PM it had not yet been announced that Bin Laden was behind the attacks when protection was requested for the three young men.

CONTINUED...

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_secret_saudi_052703.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 02:33 PM
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16. Neocon Coup at CIA?
July 9, 2004
Neocon Coup at CIA?
It will be if John Lehman takes over
by Justin Raimondo
All this folderol about how the neoconservative moment is over, and the War Party totally discredited, is just so much wishful thinking, as the prospect of John F. Lehman's nomination as CIA chief makes all too clear. Rumor has it that Porter Goss is out – too partisan – and Lehman is leading the pack. If so, this is a testament to the neocons' bureaucratic staying power.

Formerly an investment banker with Paine Webber, Inc., Lehman was President of the Abington Corporation, (1977-81), a lobbying and consulting firm, a staff member of the National Security Council under Henry Kissinger, and deputy director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. He has been associated with the neoconservative network in Washington since the good old days of Iran-Contra. In 1981, President Ronald Reagan appointed Lehman Secretary of the Navy: he served until 1987. In 1983, a mysterious package of documents arrived at the New York Times, a fortuitous delivery that led to a piece by reporter Jeff Gerth in which Lehman, along with Richard Perle, was accused of accepting payments from Israeli arms dealers Shlomo Zabludowicz and his son, Chaim Zabludowicz, who were Perle's clients in 1980. They paid $90,000 to Abington Corporation: Perle kept $50,000, while Abington got the rest.

Lehman blamed his wife: Perle said he did the work for the Zabludowicz clan before he was employed by the government. Whatever.

In any case, as per the custom in Washington, Lehman and Perle survived the scandal, as neocons always do, and lived to fight another day.

Lehman's most recent position has been as a member of the 9/11 Commission, where he excoriated Richard Clarke for writing a book, and went on Meet the Press declaring that a prominent member of Saddam's militia had been identified as a member of Al Qaeda, confusing two different Arab names in the process and getting it thoroughly wrong. The Washington Post pointed out the discrepancy to Lehman, who brushed it aside, claiming it really made no difference: he stood by his claim.........

Although long associated with the War Party through his connections to Ball Aerospace Technologies – a major manufacturer of NASA and Pentagon satellites – and the board of the Center for Security Policy, a neoconservative redoubt, Lehman seems to be trying to distance himself from the neocons and their foreign policy views now that he's up for the CIA post. However, his record speaks for itself.
more
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2984

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:24 PM
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4. The rise of The Vulcans-the architects of Bush's war
I got freaked out when the group calling itself Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity/VIPS started up. Think about that one for a moment. It's spookwar:scared:

Here is some more hidden history that the traitors in the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President want to keep under wraps.

The Cabal-Selective Intelligence by Seymour Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

The Architects of Bush's War
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0405-02.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:39 PM
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5. Poppy lies. Cheney lies. Bush lies. Rumsferatu lies. Powell lies...
... Wolfowitz lies. Perle lies. Ridge lies. Ashcroft lies. Lying is a BFEE tradition.

Defense Department Operational Update Briefing

Presenter: Lawrence Di Rita, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs; General David Rodriguez, Deputy Director for Operations, J-3, Joint Staff Thursday, July 8, 2004 3:12 p.m. EDT

EXCERPT...

Q What's the secretary's latest feeling about why nothing's been discovered to date? You haven't been asked about this lately, but why nothing has been discovered.

MR. DIRITA: I think what he -- I think what we continue to say is that the Iraq Survey Group is doing its work. Mr. Duelfer has spoken a couple of times recently about the work he's doing, and we're going to let him continue to do his work. And I think it's not yet the time to draw conclusions.

Q Yeah, but the secretary -- and you're close to him, that's why I'm asking you -- he went out on a limb and said Iraq had all these stockpiles and everything.

MR. DIRITA: What the secretary did was what I think most of the responsible officials of this government did, and that is rely on the best sense of not just the United States but a number of foreign intelligence communities, the consensus view of the United Nations as expressed through various U.N. resolutions with respect to Iraq's status and WMD. And if that -- time will tell whether those assessments were accurate.

Q Does he feel misled by the intelligence community? Again, you're close to him; you hear his insights a lot.

MR. DIRITA: He relied on the basis of the intelligence. He had no reason to believe at the time that it was any more or less accurate than it was being presented to be and has no reason now to believe it is any different. I mean, it was the best assessment in an admittedly very challenging intelligence environment where you have a very opaque society run by a dictator. And these were consensus decisions that had stretched across several years -- consensus views, I should say. They were shared by many intelligence communities around the world and they were reflected in U.N. resolutions. And that was -- those were the assessments on which the secretary and other officials in this government relied.

CONTINUED...

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040708-0984.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:59 PM
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6. There are repercussions for those that tell the truth-it's horrible but
SOP with these criminals and traitors. Nevertheless patriotic Americans are speaking out, come what may.

Joseph Wilson: "I have always said that the desire to implicate my wife (Valerie Plame) in this was intended to intimidate others from coming forward."

Karen Kwiatkowski "The New Pentagon Papers"
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KWI403A.html

Sibel Edmonds. Richard Clarke. Ray McGovern. General Karpinski.
Anonymous.

God help US if the truth about the crimes of this administration are effectively suppressed and even more US troops and innocent people die for LIES and $$$$$$:grr::puke::argh:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:17 PM
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7. "This is an administration that will not talk about how we gather
intelligence, how we know what we're going to do nor what our plans are."
George W. Bush aka The War President to the press at Camp David, September 15th, 2001.

"A nation can survive it's fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he carries his banners openly.

But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor...He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation...he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city...he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to be feared."
Cicero 42B.C.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:03 AM
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11. You know your Cicero, Bob! You also know your Office of Special Plans.
Doug Feith probably liked the report blaming the CIA. Who wouldn't with Cheney holding his family hostage?

Senate Intel Report Whitewashes Deceptions on Iraq

July 9, 2004

The Senate Intelligence Committee's central charge that the CIA grossly exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein ignores the critical misinformation, exaggeration, and deception perpetrated by the Bush administration in its rush to war. While critical reforms in the intelligence community are clearly needed, the report fails to examine the administration's use of now discredited sources such as Ahmed Chalabi and fails to look how the administration manufactured links between al Qaeda and Iraq as a rationale for war.   

* The Senate report is a blatant attempt to absolve the Bush administration of responsibility for hyping the WMD threat from Iraq. After imploring the public and world community to support rapid military action to stop Saddam Hussein from developing and using weapons of mass destruction, the Bush administration has failed to find nuclear, biological or chemical weapons in Iraq despite spending $600 million and deploying hundreds of experts on the ground. This rapid push for war based on false pretense and phony data was not the sole work of the CIA – President Bush and his entire national security team are to blame as well.

* Blaming the CIA is the easy way out. Despite clear evidence of White House exaggerations and outright duplicity on Iraqi WMD, no one in the administration has take responsibility for the intelligence failures. No one has been held accountable for mistakes. While there is clearly need for major reforms in the intelligence community, the Senate's report presents only half the truth.

* The Senate report fails to answer critical questions about intelligence failures prior to the invasion of Iraq. The Committee's report fails to discuss the politicization of intelligence by the administration and its allies; the role of administration officials outside the CIA in producing phony intelligence; or the use of favored Iraqi exiles like Ahmed Chalabi. It fails to mention the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, Under Secretary of Defense Doug Feith's tightly controlled intelligence unit which had a direct pipeline to Vice President Cheney. Nor does it examine the administration's claims of links between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein which have already been rebuked by the 9/11 commission. 

SOURCE:

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=116442
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:43 PM
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8. The Bush Intelligence Manipulation Scandal-documented by TruthIsAll
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 07:39 PM
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9. Yep, it was ALL the fault of the CIA kids.
:+
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:53 AM
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10. Yes. A certain NAZI-infected part of the CIA.
Then, of curse, Gen. Gehlen's volk helped create MK/ULTRA MK/CHAOS and an entire history of treason, genocide and neo-fascist corporatism. Way to go, Prescott.

Operation Paperclip Casefile

EXCERPT...

When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infilitrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA.

Apparently, Wev decided to sidestep the problem. Dulles had the scientists dossier's re-written to eliminate incriminating evidence. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX)

Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi refrences. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had comitted other war crimes.

In a 1985 expose in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Linda Hunt wrote that she had examined more than 130 reports on Project Paperclip subjects--and every one "had been changed to eliminate the security threat classification."

President Truman, who had explicitly ordered no comitted Nazis to be admitted under Project Paperclip, was evidently never aware that his directive had been violated. State Department archives and the memoirs of officials from that era confirm this. In fact, according to Clare Lasby's book Operation Paperclip, project officials "covered their designs with such secrecy that it bedeviled their own President; at Potsdam he denied their activities and undoubtedly enhanced Russian suspicion and distrust," quite possibly fueling the Cold War even further.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Operation_Paperclip_file.html



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 11:10 AM
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13. Puke party swarming with ex-Nazis


...Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in "Blowback" that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U. S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.

Journalist Russ Bellant ("Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party") shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign...

http://www.rememberjohn.com/Nazis.html



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 11:35 AM
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14. "Shoes are to keep dog shit off our feet." -- Lenny Bruce
Art imitates life and hate imitates Satan. Ask any NAZI.

THE BUSH NAZI CONNECTION

by Richard N. Draheim, Jr.

Why has Presidential candidate George W. Bush been able to raise uncounted tens of millions of dollars? It can't be because of his positions on the issues; he has scrupulously avoided taking many. It can't be because of his knowledge of world events; he thinks being asked such questions is a trick." (He will embarrassingly lie, saying that he knows the answer to a question, and half a sentence later admit that he doesn't.)

No, George "I'm No Longer Drunk" Bush's support is because the Bush family fortune is old, and it's big, and comes from a century old alliance with the most powerful interests on Wall Street and in industry. Worse, part of Dub-a-Ya's money comes from grandfather Prescott Bush's financial alliance with the Nazis.

On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)

The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."

CONTINUED TREASON...

http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm

Hey, DU! The "Greatest Generation" fought and beat these gangsters! Are we going to let them get back up? They're in the BFEE and that's why we need to SINK THE BFEE!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:25 AM
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17. Good article.
Also over at CounterPunch.
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