Bush presidency is Gore's fault and I'm getting f***ing mad!

[Alpha Wolf]

OK, the more this present corruption gets worse, the more I get pissed at Al Gore for some bone-headed mistakes he made during the 2000 election. Anyone else mad about this?

Now we all know that Shrub and his accomplices would try to steal the election. And they did.

BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN!!!!

1) Why did Gore distance himself from Clinton? Dumb mistake #1.

2) Why did Gore and his legal team argue for recounts only in certain Florida counties-- and not the entire state? This was all that Bush and his buddies on the REPUGnant Supreme Court needed to make their mumbo-jumbo eqaul protection violation claims. If Gore would have just had confidence in the people of Florida and requested a state-wide recount from day one-- HE WOULD BE OUR PRESIDENT TODAY AND ALL OF THIS SH** SHRUB HAS CAUSED WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED! Dumb Mistake #2.

Any thoughts?

[coloradodem2005]

1. Kind of agree.

3) Lieberman. Mistake #3.

I will forgive Gore. I just wish he had known better.

[calico1]

26. Well, you know that saying...

"hindsight is 20/20."

[NightOwwl]

2. He lost...

because the election was fixed. :-(

[Caution]

3. i'm still pissed at Ralph friggin Nader

without his candidacy, gore wins easily.

[Alpha Wolf]

9. And now he's at it again

n/t

[oasis]

With no remorse. Nader termites are boring holes in Kerry's foundation.

[ibegurpard]

4. My thoughts:

yawn

[tom_paine]

8. Yawn. Please let Uncle Karl's Flamebait sink...

"Fuck you."
--Dick Cheney

"Who Cares What You Think?"
--Emperor His Most Puissant Majesty Bunnypants*, July 4, 2001

[Liberal Veteran]

5. That's all good and well and don't entirely disagree, but....

You can't change the past.

Let's keep our eye on the future. Wringing our hands over what happened 4 years ago boots nothing.

[David Dunham]

6. I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning.

[physioex]

7. Even if Gore won...

He might have lost this election cycle. And the neocons would take over and begin their quest to take over the Middle East. Just because Gore won doesn't mean think tanks like PNAC aren't waiting to get into to power. You want to prevent this from happening again? Then let's not simply focus on Al Gore, but the cronies behind shaping our foregin policies....

[aden_nak]

10. Joementum

Why did he not pick a running mate with a pulse?

[Alpha Wolf]

14. Ah yes, "Joementum"

Dumb mistake #3. My bad.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. yup here is a thought

You don't know what you are talking about.

1)Gore mentioned Clinton in every single stump speach he gave. At the same time many many people where I live stated right to my face that they could not vote for Gore because of Clinton's behavior, so maybe not having Clinton on the trail with him was what caused Gore to win the election.

2)Gore did ask for a state wide recount. In florida the law states that both candidates must agree to a statewide hand recount. Bush did not agree and the only people who had the power to overrule him were his brother, Katherine Harris. So Gore had to prove that certain counties had great enough disparities to justify a recount and he did that.... but we all know what happened then. Those recounts never happened.

[Alpha Wolf]

16. That was later on, wasn't it?

At first, when all the chaos was going beginning, I recall Gore's team only asking for recounts in particular counties.

[Warpy]

Wrong mistakes

1) Why didn't Gore counter the "gun grabber" propaganda from the NRA what was so effective in rural states, by saying the only way to "git" their guns would be by constitutional amendment, which would need ratification by 38 states, and how likely was that to happen?

2) Why didn't Gore address the fact that the Clinton "boom" hadn't done a damned thing for at least 80% of the people in this country? The rich had gotten unimaginably richer, wages had only started to inch up during his last 2 years, and wages had still lost ground compared to inflation. Bush offered working people a tax cut. Gore offered them NOTHING but the policies that were causing them to slip farther behind every year!

3) Why the HELL didn't Gore challenge Bush on his blatant lies about his record in Texas during those "debates?" He had ample opportunity to rebut those lies, yet he sat there and sighed.

These are the REAL reasons the last election was so close. Clinton couldn't possibly have helped overcome any of them. His cult of personality was not nearly strong enough.

Asking for a statewide recount would likely have given him the election, had it been allowed to proceed. However, the mumbo jumbo from the USSC was more that there wasn't a uniform standard for recounts within the state because of the multiplicity of voting system. The fix was in. They'd have thrown it to Bush no matter what.

[JayS]

25. Gore did not have much with which to counter the "gun grabber" ...

...label as he was seen here as too much a part of Clinton in that regard. If he would have read at least some of the letters we sent him he might have seen the light, but he didn't. Kerry is busily making the exact same mistake.

[Ruby Romaine]

12. put that energy into volunteering for Kerry/Edwards!

Get involved at the local level too.
Run for precinct delegate, if you can.

[Stuckinthebush]

13. I'm pissed at the damn fools who voted for Bush!

I'm also pissed at Katherine Harris for her assistance to Bush in stealing Florida.

Don't forget the *&$#! Supreme Court who gave the presidency to Bush.

And FOX news has my anger as well. Not to mention those paid thugs who intimidated the election workers in Florida!

As for Gore...he won the most votes of any presidential candidate in history and he won the popular vote as well. We all know that he really won the electoral vote, so I can't really be pissed at him.

[The Shadow]

15. If I Were You I'd Take It Out On Bushhole!

That would teach that Al Gore.


All kidding aside, as I recall the Dems were walking on eggshells in 2000. They, like everyone else, had bought into that republican propaganda attack on the integrity of the White House and anyone associated with Clinton. First, the DNC shamefully distanced themselves from a two term president, over a blowjob, mind you, and tried to reinvent the democratic party overnight. They did this because they had lost faith in the American people, erroneously thinking the country believed the baloney the repugs had been spewing for over eight years. Shame on all who did!
Keep in mind, bushhole did not win the popular vote in 2000, Gore did. The repugs never were and still are not in the majority, nor will they ever be.

[Blue Wally]

17. Other mistakes

It never should have come down to Florida. Gore should have won going away with a booming economy and peace in the world.


Gore is dull, but the only thing worse than a dull guy is a dull guy pretending he isn't dull. The alpha male crap, the earthtones stuff, and french kissing Tipper at the convention turned people off. He just should have made self-deprecating jokes about his dullness and sort of turned it into an asset.

[Stew225]

19. Liebermann is uglier than Abe Vigoda!

Perhaps, even uglier than Rovert Novak. "Perhaps", mind you. How the hell do these elephant men get on freaking TV? Sorry. My apologies to any family of the Elephant Man who might be part of this forum.

You think it's possible that Liebermann is the love child of the Elephan Man and Minnie Pearl?

[Bridget Burke]

20. You left out: "he invented the internet"

And he "cherry picked" those counties in Florida.

You've missed a few of the right-wing talking points. Need to brush up before your next post!

[Blue Wally]

28. No

Gore (or his lawyers) did cherry pick those counties. Those three counties were the bestpossible sources for additional Democratic votes. In todays environment, if a Democratic candidate in a state-wide race can't carry Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties by wide margins, he isn't going to win Florida. My point was that whether or not Gore won in Florida shouldn't have made a difference. He should have won in quite a few other states as well. Just because you don't like hearing a truth doesn't make it right wing.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. You're going after the wrong guy. Let me ask you a question....

...do you think ANYTHING could have stopped the NeoCons from going to war against Iraq? Before you answer, think about all of the lies they told to get the backing of Congress, the military, and a majority of the American people.

Now, let's discuss the 2000 election. The Neocons had control of both houses of Congress, the Judiciary, the military, and the mainstream media. All they needed was control of the Executive Branch. Do you really believe that Gore or anyone else could have done ANYTHING to stop the NeoCons from taking control of the country?? Before you answer, think about what the NeoCons had at stake and how much donated corporate money had been spent for the NeoCons to achieve that goal. Also think about PNAC and their stated goals of global domination through control of the world's natural resources.

And think about how the NeoCons went about consolidating their ill-gotten power. At the very least, the NeoCons were grossly negligent prior to and including 911. Some think they let it happen on purpose while others think they were active participants. Do you think anyone ruthless enough to sacrifice the lives of thousands of American people to further their own agenda, would have just rolled over if Gore had pressed ahead with a recount?

You can blame Gore all you want, but you're being completely unfair to do so. You do understand that the NeoCons had been planning the coup of December 2000 for quite some time, don't you?? And do you also understand that they have been wanting to go after the natural resources of that part of the world for decades?

[physioex]

23. Exactly...Read Post #7....Essentially what I said...EOM

[chiburb]

21. I thought Gore WON the election...

And I don't recall Gore distancing himself from Clinton.

[90-percent]

24. gore

All of us here and all of America must do our damnest to keep this Bush out of the White House this election!!!!!! Give it as much money, time and energy as your lives will allow!

-jim

[Swamp Rat]

22. I'm glad you a pissed off. Now, direct that anger at Bush and go out

into your community and get folks to vote for Kerry.

Geaux Kerry/Edwards!

[PATRICK]

27. The stacked deck

It was inspiring to see Gore fight, to see several cases launched by other parties, BUT one huge battle was lost when the Florida State legislature went ahead and chose a slate of electors anyway.

personally I had expected, maybe even ,malevolently hoped, that the House Republicans would have been forced to steal the election with this out regardless of the dramatic recount. No Reps in either party were lining up at all to support Gore's chances after the recount, instead perhaps counting on a GOP slanted media to make the decision along with some mystical popular expression of will.

I was disappointed when the SCOTUS took the bullet and disgraced only one branch of the government. I thought Gore was doomed on technicalities adjudicated by the GOP but by simply being stopped short of proving his case was ALL the opening needed to grant Bushco and its fawning minions 100% legitimacy, Dem surrender, and more dirt and ridicule piled on the "loser" in the bargain.

I don't think any of the white Dems got the picture enough at all and fought half battles half-heartedly too little too late. Gore's campaign style and choices seem to have had(and still did with the backfire endorsement of Dean) many black holes for someone so intelligent with the right motivations. The fact that in the main he tried hard and mostly was doing the right thing is the only reason the party has survived at all- a fact lost on the DLC whose own deficiencies went on to screw up 2002.

You don't blame the person being mugged and I suppose it was almost an advantage that Gore did not realize the hopelessness of his position, hanging in there(or hanging back on the tough stuff) with misguided optimism as the devices of fraud were laid bear- but never ever held to account.