Conservatives flatly reject out of hand that homosexuality

[Ohio Dem]

may be a genetic thing. They won't even listen to the idea. Any conversation about this always goes the same way - you've all been there.

And I think I figured out why. If sexual preference isn't a choice, then God did it. If people are born gay it's because God made them that way. And their minds won't even begin to accept that. It would make them question their beliefs about God in a fundamental way. Either God is okay with gay people or . . . they won't even consider the other option. So they dismiss it.

That's the fundamental flaw with modern conservatism, IMO. They won't open up their minds even a little bit.

[Wabbajack]

1. What is the 'other option'?

[iconoclastic cat]

2. That God is dead.

And no one cares.

[Ohio Dem]

3. That there is no God.

At least in the way they think of God in.

[WLKjr]

15. Then they would all go out and drink kool-aid

and commit mass suicide, because the couldn't handle it.

[Az]

25. And?

Looking for the downside here.

[WLKjr]

27. Az, I can't think of a downside

you think of any?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

24. That God is a Democrat! n/t

.

[kayell]

4. Yet, if there was a genetic test, they'd be lining up for amniocentisis

and suddenly abortion would be morally ok in certain emergencies.

[Kipepeo]

5. How do they explain God making

animals gay? I have never gotten a real answer from them on that one.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

6. They deny it.

I don't even bother debating with them. It just gets my blood pressure up.
Alot of them even deny the existence of the dinosaurs, "God put those fossils there to test us".

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Umm.. Excuse Me? That's "Missionary Lizards"

I thought for sure this had to be a joke:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/19/wdino19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/06/19/ixportal.html

No such luck.

Anyway, speaking of missionary lizards, I've seen monkeys engage in same (and different) sex acts that would get 'em arrested in Texas in a heartbeat, at least up until the Lawrence Decision. And the best part? The usually smile these big, fuckin' grins while doing it, preferably in front of horrified human onlookers..

I'm so glad that 4,000 years of domestication and civilization has allowed conservatives (and many so-called "liberals", apparently, too) to get really, deeply uptight about what are essentially natural human behaviors.

[Kipepeo]

14. check out Bonobos

Also called Pygmy Chimps. They're the apes that engage in almost more gay sex than straight.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. That must explain

Why they're better dressed than most other apes.

BTW, Bill Hicks is (was) one of my heroes.

[Kipepeo]

11. LOL

I have heard the SAME thing about fossils from some major idiots in my own family! But they don't question fossil fuels: now that is confusing!.

Why does God spend so much time creating an elaborate ruse like that? I can just imagine him littering the earth with fake dead things: "haha! I can't wait to see how many of them fall for this! Who are they going to trust? Me or their lying eyes?"

[MisterP]

26. they haven't seen my budgie Sinclair molesting the juvenile Julius...

[gtar100]

7. They'll tell you that homosexuality is a choice

So it's good to ask them when exactly they made a choice to be heterosexual. Do they recall going through the arguments? Did they weigh the pros and cons of either side? Did they experiment just to be sure they were making the right decision?

I doubt it.

[Lars39]

8. Follow that up with their own words....."God doesn't make mistakes."

You will absolutely have them boggled.

[salinen]

10. Christofascism

is alive and well in Amerika.

[LostInAnomie]

12. They reject it but they have no evidence to back up the rejection.

Even their rehabilitation programs for gays have about a 3% success rate.

[Susang]

19. 0% success rate

Those 3% who claim to have turned straight are really just back in the closet.

[LostInAnomie]

20. Yeah your number is probably closer

I did a little research on it a few months back and it is almost funny. Their success rates include bisexuals, and success means not having sex with the same gender. It's a joke.

[Hoping4Change]

13. Well maybe they're all repressed closet cases who can't

handle how hot they get thinking about "dirty homo" activity and a secret hankering for it. Fundies want to see everything as a matter of moral choice. If people aren't responsible for their choices how can they then be consigned to hell?

[Solomon]

16. Here's how I fuck their heads up. I ask them "can god change his

mind?" This traps 'em good. Remember, everything has already been "written." Revelations and all that. So they always say "no, God can't change his mind because that would make him a liar". I kid you not, this is what they say. Then my response is, "if God can't change his mind, then he can't be God". "Besides, he changed his mind plenty of times in the Bible, the most notable being when he decided to flood the whole fucking world. There are plenty of instances where he decided to smite somebody but because of a prayer, he changed his mind.

If God can change his mind, then how do you know that tomorrow, it won't be the muslims that are saved?

[Hamlette]

17. If you believe it is a choice then you must have made a choice too.

I'm hetero sexual and I didn't make a choice.

Ask them if they made a choice. If so, they must be bi.

[TrogL]

21. They don't believe homosexuality is "caused"

They think it's a choice like what colour of underwear you'll wear today (damn, I've got underwear on the mind today).

[goddess40]

22. They still believe that the earth is flat

same crowd, different century

[Warpy]

23. That's certainly part of it.

The other part is that a lot of these hyper Christian workadaddies really do have a struggle to stay straight. You can sense it in their rhetoric, which implies that anyone who tries homsexual sex is hooked for life, kind of like heroin.

In their case, it may be true.

[PurityOfEssence]

28. That god, unlike morons, changes his mind with changing circumstances

Now that there's no terrifying need to keep the species going, it's useful to stub out a lot of sexual energy on non-reproductive activity.

It's a fun argument, and has an "out" for the believer: things change.

I still don't buy any of it, though, and frankly consider the omnipotent thing concept silly.