CIA report revealed truth we knew all along. How did we know

[prolesunited]

and they didn't?

I looked at the major findings. If you cull through the threads here chronicling the buildup to the invasion, we had them nailed on EVERY falsified, exagerrated claim.

Powell's testimony, Niger claims, aluminum tubes... We did the research and had debunked it all. First, how could we be smarter than the CIA with the limited resources at our disposal? How could we uncover this, but the journalists turn a blind eye?

The easy explanation for this is that they had a vested interest in propelling us toward war.

What really gets me is all of the Democratic leaders, like Rockefeller, who are now saying that if he knew then what he knows now, that he would not have authorized the war resolution.

We knew. We told them. We were out in the streets for months.

I just feel like I've been punched in the gut. All of these lost lives, on all sides, and destruction and money wasted. For what?

How can we make them listen to us?

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. They didn't want to listen...

Sad, but true. There was an agenda.

[proud patriot]

2. Cassandra's Curse IMO n/t

[mopinko]

3. why is the left always right?

i dunno. those whiners have no room to pretned that they were duped. robert byrd nearly had a stroke on the senate floor that day. he told them that the head of the cia had been in his office, and he asked them if there was any new evidence. he said NNNOOO!!!

[prolesunited]

15. Yes, but he has no credibility

Did you know he was once in the KKK? /sarcasm

[TexasProgresive]

4. Years ago someone I worked with

explained why we have such poor communications in our industry which is telecommunications. He said, "It's our product and were not allowed to use it because we have to sell it."

So that would go for the CIA, intellegence is their product so they can use any.

[unblock]

5. everyone in congress knew exactly what was going on

believe it or not, congresscritters aren't that stupid. they knew the administration was manipulating data and passing along bs.

thing is, though, politicians don't think, "what's the truth here?" statesmen might think like that, but these days statesmen are few and far between. we have politicians in their place. so instead, they think, "what's the safest political action here?"

once they knew that the evidence was bogus, they had a win-win by supporting the war. if war works out well, they supported it. if war doesn't work out well, they were victims of the bogus info.

sadly, that's the way things work.

[prolesunited]

8. I know

That's the only thing I can come up with. I guess that's what has left me feeling so despondent.

How many lives were wasted? How much money that could have strengthened our country was blown up? For what? So these spineless politicians could keep their jobs?

Seeing the sobs of Lila Lipscomb and that Iraqi mom and multiplying in by thousands — how could you even live with yourself knowing you were responsible?

I know I fought. Where the fuck were they?

[Beam Me Up]

11. "once they knew that the evidence was bogus, they had a win-win

by supporting the war. if war works out well, they supported it. if war doesn't work out well, they were victims of the bogus info."

Yes, this is exactly right. Now they could "support the war" because they knew they'd been lied to and could use that as an excuse if needed.

To me this is the worst kind of sophistry. People who take this stance, whether they be politicians, media, corporate execs, or just your 'average citizen,' make me SICK! Such people are WITHOUT CONSCIENCE. Soulless, sick, heartless fools.

[Kool Kitty]

6. Because we read. Because we pay attention.

Because we listen to different radio and watch not too much TV, and we question what we see and hear. Jesus Christ, even they KNEW they were lying. Wolfowitz said it in the Vanity Fair article. Because instead of thinking, "America-Love it or leave it", we think, "America-change it or lose it". And we also believe that we have every right to question the government. I love this country, but that doesn't mean that I have to swallow all their bullshit whole.

[bread_and_roses]

7. what a good post (n/t)

[Kool Kitty]

9. Thanks.

This whole situation makes me so angry. None of this had to happen. All the lives lost, and for what?

[Booster]

10. What I am still amazed at is that over

5 million people marched in protest to the war. Now, if that many people are questioning my judgment, you can bet I'm going to check every fact I can find, and you're all correct, the information was there. Democrats are just as much to blame as Repugs because of what the previous poster said: a win/win situation for all. I am tired of being frustrated and embarrassed by our government. Even when Kerry wins, they will go after him and Theresa like bulldogs and again nothing will be accomplished. These are very sad times.

[Zorra]

12. Dennis Kucinich knew. This is sooooo accurate:

November 2002 issue
The Bloodstained Path
by Dennis Kucinich

Unilateral military action by the United States against Iraq is unjustified, unwarranted, and illegal. The Administration has failed to make the case that Iraq poses an imminent threat to the United States. There is no credible evidence linking Iraq to 9/11. There is no credible evidence linking Iraq to Al Qaeda. Nor is there any credible evidence that Iraq possesses deliverable weapons of mass destruction, or that it intends to deliver them against the United States.
snip
We know that each day the Administration receives a daily threat assessment. But Iraq is not an imminent threat to this nation. Forty million Americans suffering from inadequate health care is an imminent threat. The high cost of prescription drugs is an imminent threat. The ravages of unemployment is an imminent threat. The slowdown of the economy is an imminent threat, and so, too, the devastating effects of corporate fraud.
snip
America cannot and should not be the world's policeman. America cannot and should not try to pick the leaders of other nations. Nor should America and the American people be pressed into the service of international oil interests and arms dealers.
snip
If the United States proceeds with a first strike policy, then we will have taken upon our nation a historic burden of committing a violation of international law, and we would then forfeit any moral high ground we could hope to hold.

http://www.progressive.org/nov02/kuc1102.html

Right on as usual, Kooch.

[faithnotgreed]

16. thanks for posting this. it needs to be said and needs to be heard

[TA]

13. It's the same as F9/11

When I went to see F9/11 I wasn't surprised or shocked. I have read and seen all of the facts and issues. But my wife was surprised, she was amazed with what Bush and his gang have been doing. I told her it's what I've been ranting about for the past 3 years, I said you just don't listen ... then decided I better drop it. She is now a believer.

[prolesunited]

14. I see you've been here awhile

Did you get most of your info here or did you find it in other places as well? I guess as in your wife's case, you just hear the truth when you're ready.

In any case, welcome out of lurk mode. :hi:

[Blue-Jay]

17. Congress supported it because they are vote-whores.

No support for IWR while the majority of the populace were still angry and afraid would have been disastrous for their re-election campaigns. They didn't give a shit about anything else. The Dems were afraid to step up and say "This is wrong", for fear for being labled unpatriotic or weak and fucking their chances of being able to stay in power. Whores. They didn't give a shit about anything else.

Up-thread, someone mentioned that it was a win-win situation and that's exactly correct.

[jpgray]

18. Niger was debunked in Nov 2002, and they only got to it after the war

After that, I knew for certain the media were actively involved in maintaining the facade until all the weapons were exploded and the treasure spent for more. :(

You can add the statue photo op to that list--the wide angle shot, and cries of 'staged!' were everywhere here the day it happened.

[prolesunited]

19. Yes, when that came out

the other day, I was just shaking my head in disbelief. When people used to post what seemed to be odd theories about events, I was much more skeptical. Now, I don't know who to trust. It certainly isn't the government.

Ever get the feeling that you're living in a "Twilight Zone" episode?

[madfloridian]

20. Some folks here deny we could have known. Where are DU anti-war folks?

I have posted about this, saying look it up in the archives. Some still don't believe how powerfully anti-war it was here in late 2002 and into 2003. It is a way of excusing what we have done, I guess.

Thanks for the post.

[dand]

21. Our Congress critters wanted to be inside the tent pissing out

instead of outside pissing in. The looting of our treasury and the pillaging and looting in Iraq and Afghanistan was too lucrative to resist, except by a small minority. Now they are all so fucking rich they don't care if they win or lose, they are set for life.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. And, the occupation goes on with the blessing of both parties.

The Democratic Platform Committee calls for remaining in Iraq until it is "stable". Which amounts to an open-ended occupation.

I started another thread that quickly drew the pro-war DU-er's and was promptly locked as "flame-bait".

I guess being anti-war is soon to be taboo here in the name of "party unity".

[Individualist]

24. Hell will freeze over

before I condone those who enabled this unjustified invasion/occupation.

[bacchant]

23. We have finely-tuned bullshit detectors. n/t

[screembloodymurder]

25. Journalists?

You mean media whores. This is w/o a doubt the biggest story of the new millenium. It was a no brainer, but they ignored it. We didn't.

[HFishbine]

26. Will Pitt and Scott Ritter tried to get Kerry to listen

apparently it didn't work out.

http://www.oceanbooks.com.au/iraq/articles1/211.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

27. Hmmmm. The Commission stated that the CIA's classified NIE....

...stated such severe doubts about Iraqi WMDs that they would have caused any RATIONAL person to halt miltary preparations for an attack on Iraq. But somewhere along the way, the UNCLASSIFIED version of the NIE found it's way to the top levels and this version had gotten rid of ALL of the CIA's actual findings in regards to no WMDs in Iraq.

The real CIA report DID indeed reveal the truth...but it was one the NeoCons could not and would not accept. The real culprit here is the OSP and others working with them. They were in a position to make the changes to the CIA's classified report to support the NeoCon's point of view.

Additionally, Woodward made a big deal out of placing Tenet at Crawford proclaiming "slam dunk" in regards to the presence of Iraqi WMDs. But the source of that information came from NeoCons with a vested interest in pushing the war on Iraq.

How can we make anyone listen to anything if we're not willing to dig deep enough to find REAL facts instead of the crap fed to us by the captive mainstream media?

[Toucano]

28. How?

Groupthink and we weren't part of the group? Just a hypothesis.

Edit: removed incomplete thought. Regrets.