Freep Jerks are infesting even Retirement Communities! They are Scared!

[KoKo]

I'm so burned up about this I figured I'd vent. My Dad is retired and lives on one of the Resort Islands in SC. This place is filled with golfers and folks who love the beach. It's upscale and I thought filled with intelligent retirees...given the price of the houses...one would think that would be the case. Mostly retired professionals: Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, lots of internationals and in the older part of the place where my Dad is, folks who have nice retirements but not lavish. BTW, the President of GE has a mansion on this Island! So does figure skating star Tara Lipinsky and others...including some of Bush's buddies. My Dad is on the "modest end" of the Island.

Anyway they have a message board where folks discuss rentals, and issues having to do with the Island and I've subscribed to it to keep up-to-date because my Dad doesn't have and wouldn't use a computer. So, I keep up with stuff for him.

All of a sudden this last week folks start trashing each other over someone who sold their villa because they were tired of the taxes, and hassels between residents and non-residents. Some jerk accused the person of being a "whiney Democrat and sour grapes and put "Bush-Cheney 04" in their post. I've never seen a political message on that board before in 7 years the site has been up. I got offended so I sent back a reply to the whole list serve that "Political Attacks shouldn't be on this particular List Serve, because it wasn't appropriate." Someone else posted the same thing but put in a message trashing Bush calling him an "Idiot and Dumbya."

Unfortunately, some idiot called "Big J" thought "I" posted the message about "Dumbya" and sent me a personal e-mail which is really disgusting. Not only because I wasn't the one who posted about Chimp, but because I don't know where this creep came from. But, after I got over my anger, I posted what I thought was a reasonable reply and look at the Freeper crap I got back.

These people must be really feeling pain if they are on a Retirement Community Message Board and acting like low lifes! I wish I hadn't bothered answering this person, but I couldn't believe that anyone could be this closed minded and vicious!

Here's the interaction. (Sorry, I know this is a long post, but think we need to know about this) BTW! No one mentioned Moore's F/911 to this guy...but he blathers not even replying to what I sent him!
I can't believe this guy is in this community with my Dad!
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(BigJsullivan wrote):
I had a laugh at your idiot words about Bush. I was laughing at your ignorance. Please vote for Kerry, who has one of the worst voting records of all time. You must be an idiot Yankee. Also I don't know if your educated enough to know that Edwards was a staunch supporter of the war and is quoted many times as saying that Iraq was an imminent threat and that we should go it alone without the UN. So please vote your ignorance and go watch Fahrenheit 9/11 so you can make yourself even more ignorant lol. Please get a clue and stop being so ignorant.
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(My Reply to this Jerk who mistook me for another poster)

Sorry Big J,
That wasn't me who made the comments about Bush. You read it wrong. It was another List Serve member. Go back and read and send your comments to the other person. However, I agree with the poster's sentiments about Bush, and I'm a native SC'linian. Family goes back to 1760. Fought in Revolution, Civil War, World Wars I and II. Bush is bad for America. When you take your country to War and send your men and women to die overseas, it ought to be based on truth and not a lie. We can agree to disagree. Correct? Or should we just call each other names and question each other's patriotism. What good does that do? We are all Americans and want our country to stand for the ideals it was founded on. A President who behaves like a King and is above the law is not why my ancestors came here seeking a new way of life and freedom from tyranny. They came to America to escape that. I hope I can honor them by standing up for the principles of this country where there are "checks and balances" over Power of the "King."

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(I get this back from "Big J")

LOL you must not know anything about the truth. Moore's film is nothing but lies and his comments about the citizens of the US are awful. Please become educated if you want to talk please get educated. Iraq is a done deal weather you like it or not and it has to be finished. Terrorism is not going to go away, nor is it a creation of Bush. How is it that so many terrorist attacks happened under Clinton and how come 9-11 was planned under Clinton.
PS. Bush will easily win when he announces Powell or McCain as his VP at the Republican Convention. Also if you believe what Moore says you should not vote because you are an uneducated voter and they are the worst of them all.

[Frances]

1. The freeper seems hopeless

I think I would be tempted to say, Have you seen F 9/11? and just let it go at that.

[Cha]

2. OMG! I'd be Freakin' OUT!

I kinda am just reading that tripe...but I heard some callers on c-span this morning..laying into us Liberals..and there is nothing anyone can do to reason with them. It will take more of an electric bolt out of the blue to enlighten them.

BTW, KoKO..you were the voice of reason and the idiot on the other end who was calling everyone an "idiot" didn't seem to have the intelligence to be able to respond in kind.

I think in the end that the screaming reichwingers are going to implode on their own nastiness.

[KoKo]

9. Zidzi, I didn't want to reply to him, but when he sent me a personal

attack, I started steaming, because I thought if I reasoned with him it might make a difference. I learned my lesson! I know DU'ers have said you can't reason with those Freeps and I've only been over to FR twice in my three years on DU and only because someone here posted a link. I didn't understand those folks then and figured that was the only place that was like that.

I never imagined that someone like this jerk could be on that List Serve! All they talk about is property taxes and getting landscapers for their yards. There's never been anything like this before, but it's even going on now, because the person who posted about "whiney Democrats and the other guy who called Bush "Dumbya" are at it since I posted here. It's like a brawl going on on that List Serve right now!

And, there are people I know from posts on that board whom I always thought were really nice people (one person I contacted when we had a family reunion and I needed to rent their place...lovely people) who are now supporting the person who called the Democrat "sour grapes."

I don't know what's happening to America. This kind of name calling by retirees and property owners who normally are nice people going at each other and most trashing Democrats??

All hell is breaking loose....I just can't believe that there isn't any place of peace left that we've got a new Civil War or something going on. :-(

[PA Democrat]

3. Perhaps Mr. Big J should get some of that "education"

that he is touting.

"Please become educated if you want to talk please get educated." That is a profound statement.

"Iraq is a done deal weather you like it or not and it has to be finished." Try whether, Big J.

[Renew Deal]

4. That's what I was thinking.

[PA Democrat]

16. More Grammatical corrections for Mr. Big J " Get Educated"

"I had a laugh at your idiot words about Bush." Tsk, tsk, Big J. "idiot" is a noun. The proper word to use would be "idiotic" which is an adjective.

"Also I don't know if your educated enough to know that Edwards was a staunch supporter of the war.." "Your" is a possessive pronoun, Big J. You should have used "you're".

Wow, and I am an "idiot Yankee".

And Big J is going to lecture YOU to get educated?

[merh]

5. You handled yourself very well. Don't let that freep get to you.

If you want to have fun, tell him that you are sure the party will not appreciate the fact that he leaked the September Surprise to a dumb dem. Get the name of the local Repug big whig and drop his/her name and let that freep know that he has spilled the beans about the September Surprise. (See Cheney won't be on the ticket.) Mess with this guy and make him nervous about his disloyality to the party just to prove he is such an intellect. (Gosh Big "J", for a dumb liberal democrat I didn't do so bad by egging you on enough to leak the September Surprise.)

I will definitely include your father and the other poor souls in his community in my prayers tonight. I hate freepers who take advantage of people.

[KoKo]

10. Thanks...my Dad's in his 80's and is very quiet. He wouldn't understand

all this. The few people he knows are NOT like this! Or at least he's not mentioned it.

[merh]

11. Thank you for watching out for him.

Give yourself a pat on the back and a hug. :hug:

[merh]

24. Like I said, you could have fun with him and make him shut his trap if

you drop names. Let him know that you have called the top repugs in the city and state and told them that you are appalled that one of their own has leaked the September Suprise. Then tell him how outraged the party was and that you told them it came from your dad's community. The guy sounds like he has an ego, so he will be sure that they will know it came from him. Also let him know that the press was anxious to hear that a connected repug had confirmed the September Surprise, that Cheney was not going to be on the ticket.

The guy will stop mouthing off.

[KoKo]

17. You know, I wonder where he's plugged in if he knows Cheney will be

dropped from the ticket. I didn't think about that in his ravings...Good Point..September Surprise. Maybe he's not as dumb as he sounds...but I doubt it..he sounds pretty bad.

[Renew Deal]

6. This guy is a little slow.

You can go one on one with him but he will ignore everything you say and make shit up. But it might be fun beating him up some.

[Kipepeo]

7. did you even say anything about Moore?

No, and he was still harping on Moore in his reply to your reply.

Such blind hatred...he can't even read your response.

[KoKo]

13. DU'ers who spend time over at FR always said those folks can't spell...

I don't think this could be a retired person, so I don't know how they could get on that List Serve. You need to register and be a property ower to do it...but now some of the regulars are joining in and posting anti Dem Stuff...this Freep started a war on this quiet little message board that's never had any trouble but it seems the Repugs on the Board are just now showing that they are Repugs. That's kind of shocking since no politics has ever been on there before. No one has posted anything to each other tonight like this personal stuff "Big J" sent to me, though. I'm not going to respond again. I don't know who he is and he sounds pretty scarey to me. I don't want him to look up my Dad. We have to sign our names and mine is different, but still.

[NMDemDist2]

8. i just want to know if you are so "ignorant" why can't BigJ spell

"whether"?

I'm sorry you had to put up with such trash. You may want to send him this link tho....

Bush Administration Officials’ Lies about Iraq’s Supposed Weapons of Mass Destruction in Their Own Words

by guest writer Jackson Thoreau


Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

- Dick Cheney, speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

- George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002

No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

- Donald Rumsfeld, testimony to Congress, Sept. 19, 2002

The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq.

- George W. Bush, Nov. 23, 2002



If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

- Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Dec. 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

- Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Jan. 9, 2003

What we know from UN inspectors over the course of the last decade is that Saddam Hussein possesses thousands of chemical warheads, that he possesses hundreds of liters of very dangerous toxins that can kill millions of people.

- White House spokesman Dan Bartlett, CNN interview, Jan. 26, 2003

more at link..... http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i3thoreau.htm

[Hubert Flottz]

12. Big J--------eb?

That dude is a waste of your time! One of Bush's base that don't know his hindquarters from third base! You won't change the 35%er's mind with anything but a war club! People like that are listening to too much Rush to ever come out of it now! I avoid all contact with people like that, if at all possible! Sounds like he's been smokin' too many Big Js! Some people just can't handle drugs and drink!

Don't give anyone like that ANY personal information, that might lead them to you or your family members down there in his area!

[VolcanoJen]

14. Another freeper-type quick to dump Cheney...

... the de facto president, I mean, let's be honest, for the promised land of Powell (you have got to be fucking kidding me) or McCain (OK, seriously, you have got to be fucking kidding me).

Wow, KoKo.

[coda]

15. Hey KoKo, send this guy columns from General Zinni and General Hoar.

Both were CENTCOM Commanders and carry a lot of weight.

Take that, "Hate and lies from the anti-american left." off of the table.


One of the most effective things, IMO, is making sure they see articles from conservative sources and former officials in the Bush41 and Reagan administrations, and especially generals.

Worth a shot anyway. :hi:

[KoKo]

18. I'm scared of the guy now. I was all prepared to look for some

information to try an enlighten him, when I got that reply back...I think he might be "unhinged," or something. He knows my name since you have to sign who you are and where you live, but I don't live in S.C. thank God, and my Dad's name is different.

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

19. not just weather/whether but your/you're

" I don't know if your educated enough..." Now that's ironic.

F911 and *'s bad poll ratings have set them off, I guess.

There was a man in his 70's leaving my apartment building as I was coming in tonight, and he said to someone else, "are you going to a movie? I hope you're not going to Fahrenheit 911." He was being friendly, but serious. She didn't seem to appreciate it much. This is a very quiet area.

[rolodomo]

20. One way to get through to people hardened...

in their positions like this is to make arguments that appeal to their value systems. Big J is a great example. Right off the bat he providing good evidence of a value he (and probably others in the group) despise: whinyness. This can be turned back at him. The question is, what type of emotional, ethical, and logical arguments would get the attention of a typical retirement community audience? Many of them are probably Christan, so arguments that turn on (subtlety) biblical and moral values would be a good place to start.

[otohara]

21. Criticize Bush and Be Prepared To Be Called Lots of Nasty Names

that's how they deal with dissenters - personal attacks on you, your family.

[otohara]

22. So What He's Saying Is Bush WON'T Win Easily

unless he dumps Cheney -

[KelleyKramer]

23. Ask for specific lies in F911

If its full of lies and he says you are uneducated, then ask him to 'educate' you and name some of the lies in the film.

He has empty challenges.. You should be able to debunk his claims and make mince-meat out of him in no time flat.