Plame indictments.....Thread 5

[Moderator]

Here is thread 4:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1946368

[LTR]

1. What do you people talk about in these threads?

Not to sound like a moron, but there sure is a lot of conversation here.

Ok, you can flame me now. :)

[shraby]

3. Go back and start reading from

thread 1. There is a lot of info in the 4 previous threads, including the Plame investigation.

[H2O Man]

7. Good question....

that's a fair question, and you don't sound like a "moron." Malcolm X used to say that the only stupid question is the one that remains unasked. So no one gets "flamed" on here for any sincere question or comment.

The thread started as a simple discussion of the Plame grand jury investigation. I played perhaps a minor role in getting this going, by pointing out that even as "mainstream" a media source as TIME had reported that Plame was a CI operative investigating the sale of WMD components when she was exposed by the White House. I asked what she was looking into that resulted in a White House action to derail her investigation?

I also noted a scene in the movie JFK that was based on a real human being. In it, Cosner's character meets "Man X" in the park; Man X advises him to focus on "why?" as opposed to "how?" .... and this wonderful thread, now on page five, explores the WHY? .... and has really done an intense job of answering the "how" as well!

It's been a fun experience. I think it's as good a thread as I've seen on DU .... or any other related source. I'm proud to have the opportunity to play a small role here, and to exchange ideas with so many insightful people. Glad to have you here.

[shraby]

8. You misunderestimate the role you've

played, H20. You got the brains working and that is no small endeavor. We all owe you a debt of gratitude.

[coeur_de_lion]

21. no *small* role, H2O

If we didn't have you to confirm or refute our theories, how would we be able to continue this thread? We would just be stabbing around in the dark.

Also, I have to compliment you on your post to RatTerrier. Everyone here is important, all opinions are worthy of consideration, and there are no stupid questions. Some of us are very well informed (especially yourself), some are not. Even the questions that come from people who are not up on the info posted in all 5 threads can lead to interesting and valuable answers.

Respect for those of us (I include myself in this category) who are not experts on this subject is important. Otherwise we can become victims of "groupthink" and miss opportunities to expand the conversation into some important areas.

We are indeed very lucky to have you on our team.

[calimary]

135. You played a LOT more than a minor role in this, H2O Man.

I have enjoyed and appreciated, and admired your insights. I find myself suspecting that maybe you once worked in intel circles. Your observations are MOST intriguing and valuable, as well as relevant.

I really can't get the material on any of these Plame threads off my mind. I'm still stuck on the possible sting Valerie Plame may have been part of, and what she either uncovered, or was on the verge of uncovering, or what she maybe inadvertently stumbled upon - TANTALIZING. And I wonder if, with the Senate Intel report coming out that tries to pin it all on the CIA, what their reaction's going to be to THAT.

Will Pitt once pointed out that you piss off the CIA at your peril.

[Beam Me Up]

41. Threads 1 - 4 as downloadable MSWord docs:

Thread 1: http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments01.doc 05-Jul-2004 14:29 433k
Thread 2: http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments02.doc 06-Jul-2004 18:11 516k
Thread 3: http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments03.doc 08-Jul-2004 23:48 286k
Thread 4: http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments04.doc 10-Jul-2004 08:45 353k

The only problem with them is that many of the links contained in the text are "truncated" so they do not give the full URL. The only way I know to fix them is by going through them by hand and making the fix -- very time consuming. One could, of course, just save the thread to one's hard drive as an archive or html source -- but I've found that even then they are so long it takes a while for them to open. Harder to print out, too.

BMU

Edit: typo

[flutter by]

83. Thank you, beam_me_up,

for your time in making these downloads. I'm sure I am not the only one who appreciates your effort.
:yourock:

[Beam Me Up]

113. You're welcome, and welcome to DU. Lots to ponder on those threads!

:kick:

[shraby]

199. How many of you know that if

you click control/f you will bring up a search screen and can put in the next number on the thread and click find and it will go there.

[shraby]

200. How many of you know that if

you click control/f you will bring up a search screen and can put in the next number on the thread and click find and it will go there.

[spotbird]

2. I'm losing faith that there will be indictments before the election.

The term of the grand jury could be extended for a year or more, particularly if the scope of the investigation has been expanded.

[shraby]

4. H20 man

is pretty sure some stuff will come out 7/14. Read post #237 in thread 4.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Thought it was pushed back a bit due to the journalists?

[spotbird]

10. His opinions are educated guesses,

very educated of coarse, but not insider stuff. July 14 is the anniversary of the publication of the leak by Novak, but why it has other significance isn't clear to me.

Hopes have been raised here that the indictments were imminent many times before, it just doesn't have the same impact as it used to. There is the possibility that the grand jury will adjourn with no indictments, we really don't know much.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

16. I, too, am pessimisitic.

The speculation is that the motivation is deeper than just "punishing" Wilson.

If its that deep one would expect the depth (or actual motivation, not the "public" motivation), to remain obscure, even if indictments are handed down.

I tend to be pessimistic about the indictments, too. We are hoping for the "killer app", but this has been said before.

If the indictments come down after the election, and Bush has won, I think this will work, perhaps, to Bush and the GOPs advantage in that Bush could be forced to nominate a VP, who would then be set up as heir-apparent for 2008.
Bush can do a "house cleaning" and sacrifice Cheney, and will set up a strong GOP contender for 2008.

Actual impeachment of Bush is unlikely if its shown that Bush just had a tangental role, or if we continue to have a GOP Congress.

The best case, for the Democrats, is that a Plame indictment and court case would lead to GOP losses in the 2006 midterm elections.

If there are no idictments, then all this enteres the realm of conspiracy theory.

[Cassandra]

23. Might this be part of the why?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=3&u=/ap/20040710/ap_on_re_eu/nuclear_black_market

"VIENNA, Austria - An investigation of the black market supplying nations wanting nuclear arms has spread to more than 20 firms — some of them North American — the chief of the U.N. atomic agency told The Associated Press Friday. A senior diplomat identified one of the firms as U.S. based.
Demanding anonymity, the diplomat also said the Syria and Saudi Arabia are also being investigated as possible buyer nations, beyond Iraq (news - web sites), Iran, Libya and North Korea (news - web sites) — the countries known to have been in contact with Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan and members of his procurement network. "

Perhaps there is more than simple revenge here.

[Pallas180]

63. BINGO. We know Cheney/Halliburton sold Libya nuk equip-

for which Halliburton was fined $1.2 million when it was discovered.

on thread 4 I discussed that Cheney shortly before he became Veep
was, in speeches, attacking US policy on prohibiting from his selling to Iran and Syrria and I posed the question, did Halliburton
maybe sell WMD to Saudi Arabia? and the other countries. For all we
know, the materials Pakistan acquired for their nuke could have been
through Halliburton.

One thing about the multi nationals corporations, they have no allegiance to any country. Only to their own bottom line.

Now "buyer nations" are being investigated "UN Atomic Agency" told AP.

"Supplier nations - some of them NOrth American"

"In separate comments to The Associated Press, IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei avoided specifics on the locations of the firms supplying the nuclear black market beyond saying there were "over 20 countries, some of them in North America."


The diplomat said at least one of them was in the United States. He declined to elaborate, saying the agency "was not yet at the bottom of that story."
" But he said what is known about that company sheds new light on the activities of the network, known up to now for primarily supplying technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran as part of the process allowing them to make enriched uranium that can be used either to generate electricity or make weapons.


@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

Okay, let's put them into some kind of context. Valerie Plame's job
was to track WMD sales, illegal, buyers and sellers. The agency had
a covert company whose cover was broken along with Valerie Plame's.

The agency CIA would have to move fast to not let all they had gathered go down the drain.

So they pass on their intel to the UN Atomic Agency and other intel
agencies so that the other intel agencies and countries can close in
and arrest the mavericks.

Cheney in thinking he had shut Wilson up and shut off the CIA/Plame
investigation of his recent dealings since 1995 in the nuclear world
did the opposite. Intel agencies and countries involved are forced to move faster because of the exposure.

And if anything, Cheney and Dimson's stupid move against Plame, because don't forget Halliburton/dimson enterprises and interests are
one, has brought his own downfall - and hopefully soon perp walk.

[Pallas180]

65. Wahoo. Great Find CASSANDRA. On thread 4 we had already

worked up the scenario that it was more than revenge and they
were after Plame for what she was discovering in her work as a covert
agent.

Good lord. Could you imagine Cheney walking into her office and introducing himself and asking what kind of thing she was working on?

Her fate and her husband's would have been sealed right the.

What a find Cassandra. We had the idea but not the proof.

You have just supplied the proof.

Wahoo.

[Cassandra]

92. Oddly enough...

I had just been reading the story on, I think, Eschaton, when I got to this thread. So thank the BIG bloggers because I wouldn't have been trolling through Yahoo on my own.

[Pallas180]

47. We can't wait til 2006 for GOP losses. He has done damage beyond

what we even have fathomed to this country, its laws, its social programs, its economy, its security, its reputation.

If by any chance, they pull another 2000, which I think is HIGHLY likely, or the martial law game, and there are no elections - the
congress must move for impeachment.

And if the Congress doesn't, some one else in government or out, CIA, military, must take action. I can't believe they would allow this
misadministration go on. If they don't take action to rid America of the dimson cabal, I think this country is going to look like Iraq, with guerilla warfare all over the place.

Jay Rockefeller is not through. As H20 says, he knows far more than he is being allowed to say at this time, but he's hinting very very
broadly.

I think if there were a normal election, which I dont think there will be, dimson would be impeached soon after. Knowing that, may be
another reason the administration would not take a chance on a normal
election and declare martial law.

I think we now understand even more why Rockefeller (Senate Intelligence Committe, don't forget) is saying this is the most dangerous moment in our history.
the most

[starroute]

102. I keep seeing suggestions that Rockefeller's role goes very deep

This is, after all, John D. Rockefeller IV. And the suggestion (though I can't recall where I've seen it) is that he has been speaking over the past year not merely as a Senator, but as a representative of one major faction of the US power elite declaring war on another major faction of said elite.

But frankly, there are now so many behind-the-scenes wars and rumors of wars going on that I can't keep them all straight: CIA vs. administration; military vs. Pentagon; good, honorable CIA vs. rogue, power-hungry CIA; old-line northern power elite vs. upstart Texas power elite (though that one may be just a continuation of the Civil War); Bush's I's pragmatists vs. Bush II's Neocons . . .

Anybody selling scorecards?

[Tellurian]

264. Good observation...Rockefeller is the head of the Tri Lateral Commission

in fact he instituted it.. There IS a power struggle, but with the ruling elites within the Skull and Bones Society.

Both Bush and Kerry are bonesman. I view the Bushes as the black sheep of all the organizations they belong to. They are only of use on specific occasions. When they become a public embarrassment, they are retired once again to obscurity for 10 or 15 yrs. That is until brute force once again, becomes necessary for the world to appreciate the benevolence America.

[robertpaulsen]

297. Hi Pallas180!

I don't know if you got to read my response to your answer regarding Clinton on Thread 4, but I really appreciated it. And again, your post about the G8 martial law in Georgia is one of the best posts I've ever read at DU.

On the subject of martial law, look what Newsweek has to say:

Exclusive: Election Day Worries
Newsweek
July 19 issue - American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, NEWSWEEK has learned.

The prospect that Al Qaeda might seek to disrupt the U.S. election was a major factor behind last week's terror warning by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. Ridge and other counterterrorism officials concede they have no intel about any specific plots. But the success of March's Madrid railway bombings in influencing the Spanish elections—as well as intercepted "chatter" among Qaeda operatives—has led analysts to conclude "they want to interfere with the elections," says one official.

As a result, sources tell NEWSWEEK, Ridge's department last week asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place. Justice was specifically asked to review a recent letter to Ridge from DeForest B. Soaries Jr., chairman of the newly created U.S. Election Assistance Commission. Soaries noted that, while a primary election in New York on September 11, 2001, was quickly suspended by that state's Board of Elections after the attacks that morning, "the federal government has no agency that has the statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election." Soaries, a Bush appointee who two years ago was an unsuccessful GOP candidate for Congress, wants Ridge to seek emergency legislation from Congress empowering his agency to make such a call. Homeland officials say that as drastic as such proposals sound, they are taking them seriously—along with other possible contingency plans in the event of an election-eve or Election Day attack. "We are reviewing the issue to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election," says Brian Roehrkasse, a Homeland spokesman.

—Michael Isikoff

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5411741/site/newsweek/

This from a man who thinks Michael Moore is a liar, who is obviously too dense to know a trial balloon when he sees one. Most dangerous moment in our history? You better believe it.

[Crachet2004]

77. I was sceptical too, but would Fitzgerald be taking some of the...

reporters to court in order to force them to reveal their sources, if it WAS'NT for real? I don't think so. And those reporters know who outed Plame. Simple.

Someone outed Plame...only a few could have known what she was really doing, and they are ALL high up.

None of the rest of what has been speculated here may ever see the light of day, even if it is what happened, but somebody is going to prison over the outing itself.

Joe Wilson basically says that man is Karl Rove. I hope he is right. If so, I'll bet he squeals like a pig, and they all go down.

[lanparty]

114. Little brother Jeb ...

There are two wings in the Republican party. The old guard wants McCain. The people "in control" will push to make brother Jeb heir apparant.

[Pallas180]

122. AHA MOMENT If Cheney is removed dimson will appoint Jeb Veep.

Then we will have Jeb as President and how will we get rid of him
because as far as we know he hasn't done any of these illegal things
that we can prove yet....except take bonafide voters off voting rolls
because they are black or white democrats who happen to have the same
name as convicted felons.

In Jeb's Florida that's enough to make you guilty.

[lanparty]

136. BTW, Katherine Harris is next in line for Governor of Florida ...

That mega-bitch will be their candidate, you watch!!!!

[H2O Man]

26. "Guess" = the middle English word "gessen"

which comes from the Scandinavian (or "northern" Germanic) root "geta." And as we all know, "geta" means that a person has a bias that results in conjecture upon their part .... a "guess" can therefore not be an opinion, because an opinion is based on facts and insight ...... so in the literal sense, a guess is a prejudice, a form of ignorance in action.

I do share your sense of frustration .... it would be great if the case unfolded on Wednesday .... and I do believe we will get some information that has been scheduled to be released on that day .... although there are forces fighting tooth and nail to put a stop to that.

In the mean time, I am taking great pleasure in the intense fact-finding effort being carried on by a circle of very good minds on here
.... an effort that has taken the "guess" out of the equation.

And I like to keep in mind one of my favorite quotes from Spinoza: "If the way which, as I have shown, leads hither seems very difficult, it can nevertheless be found. It must indeed be difficult, since it is so seldom discovered. For if salvation lay ready at hand and could be discovered without great labour, how could it be possible that it remains neglected by so many people? But all noble things are as difficult as they are rare."

I think that fits this situation.

[merh]

19. They can indict with what they have now, if in the course of

preparation for the trial, new evidence develops, then they can obtain superseding indictments. It is not an uncommon practice.

Edited to add:

Let's say small player(s) gets indicted. Then small player succumbs to pressure and decides to give larger players. Small player agrees to a lenient plea in exchange for grand jury testimony. New grand jury hears evidence and returns a superseding indictment, adding charges, defendants, etc. It happens all the time.

[Pallas180]

67. No Mehr. You have to bring up all your charges "pleadings" of the

case at once, you could amend the charges/pleadings it's called in a
court case once, but amending twice raises eyebrows...

they have to get it altogether.....

don't forget Starr kept going on and on and it was perceived as
hunting/harrassing.

When you present it as a solid case,that can be simply understood such as a leads to b, to c, to d you are
more likely to get your conviction.

[merh]

179. Yes, it can be done that way. Would you like an example?

An indictment can be brought against minor players with the hopes that they roll and give larger players. You can then present the testimony of the minor player to another grand jury and obtain an indictment.

Superseding indictments are not uncommon either.

[Political_Junkie]

6. My Gawd people slow down!

I'm away for two days and I can't catch up! :) I'm still reading thread 4.

[Pallas180]

9. SHRABY - want to repost best recaps from thread 4 ?

darn - we lose so much every time we go to new thread.

[shraby]

11. I could probably copy/paste all

the good ones from all 4 threads into a coherent whole and make a series of posts. That might cut them down to size a bit.

[NMDemDist2]

12. please do, I am way behind too... n/t

[Dems Will Win]

15. What we need is a Plame Case timeline to keep everyone up to speed.

Like the 9/11 Timelines. Then we can keep re-posting it

Then you really see the whole pattern of criminal behavior in one shot, as Detectives always create in solving a crime.

Who volunteers??

We need all the known facts in chronological order, 1-2-3....

Then we can use the timeline to educate other forums as well.

On the indictments coming: they have to be soon. The Grand Jury was NOT extended, so the report is due. Starr kept extending his Jury on his wild goose chase and so it dragged on for years.

Fitzgerald didn't have to.

[merh]

20. I believe the grand jury was extended, there was a post yesterday

that referenced the extension.

Edited to add extension thread
==================
lancdem (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-09-04 12:01 PM
Original message
Important update regarding Plame grand jury

Investigative reporter Wayne Madsen, whom I've been corresponding with via email, told me that the Plame grand jury has been extended through July at the request of prosecutor Fitzgerald. This explains why there've been no indictments. It's obvious Fitzgerald wants the journalists' testimony (the hearing yesterday was about that) before wrapping up the investigation.

My sense is, their testimony would be icing on the cake. Given the impact this case could have, especially if high-level people are implicated, Fitzgerald must make sure any indictments have as much evidence behind them as possible because they'll certainly be fought by the WH.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1957083

[Dems Will Win]

30. Boy o boy! What the news media doesn't tell you these days!!

Thanks!

[merh]

34. The state that our nation is in today, the complacency, if not out

right leniency of the media, is not only disheartening, in my mind it makes them culpable for all the tragedies that have transpired at the hand of the admin.

Not seeing press releases does not mean that something hasn't happened. Remember, the grand jury is a secretive body. Don't be discouraged if you don't read about its term, functions and/or the scope of the investigation.

Better it remain secret than to allow witnesses to be intimidated (or worse), jurors to be intimidated or bought, and of course the risk of an unfair trial because of all the press.

[H2O Man]

39. Here's something of interest:

I hope everyone here gets the daily news updates from democrats.com .... today they have some information from Peter Bergan:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1254003,00.html

I hope that works ...... it refers to the bush/cheney forces using the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington DC think-tank, as its source of information on Iraq and WMDs. The AEI is closely associated with Richard Perle, the administration's key architect of the "get tough" on Iraq policy, and Paul Wolfowitz, the #2 official at the Pentagon.

The key source of AEI policy on Iraq is Laurie Mylroie. Who is she? What can our research staff find out?

*edited to add to the link

[coeur_de_lion]

44. Laurie Mylroie link

http://www.benadorassociates.com/mylroie.php

and link for the Guardian Article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1254003,00.html

Can't understand why yours didn't work, it looks jsut like mine.

Some links to articles she has written:
ALL IN THE FAMILY? by Laurie Mylroie New York Sun June 26, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/5451

THE SADDAM-9/11 LINK CONFIRMED by Laurie Mylroie FrontPageMagazine May 11, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/4204

"DON'T LOOK AT ME" Dick Clarke's reversed reality. by Laurie Mylroie
NRO April 5, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/3178

VERY AWKWARD FACTS by Laurie Mylroie Wall Street Journal April 2, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/3126
Excerpt:
The credibility of Clinton counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has come under withering fire. He has been caught in error after error, omission after omission.

WHAT INTELLIGENCE FAILURE IN IRAQ? by Laurie Mylroie Front Page Magazine February 5, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/1709
Excerpt:
David Kay, the recently retired head of the Iraq Survey Group, makes dramatic claims about Iraq's weapons programs, including "we were all wrong." But does he have the necessary basis to do so?


That should be enough to start, there is a whole page of her articles, I'm posting those separately.

[H2O Man]

46. Great job!

Thanks!

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

72. Clarke attacked her in his book.

He made specific references to her and tried to debunk some of her conspiracy theorys re Ramsi Yusef, I think.

[coeur_de_lion]

50. more Laurie Mylroie, walking disinformation machine for *

MISHANDLING TERRORISM The law-enforcement mistake by Laurie Mylroie
National Review Online January 23, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/1412
Excerpt:
In his State of the Union speech, President George W. Bush identified the point at which America's response to terrorism went so badly awry: the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Bush also explained what went wrong: That attack was treated entirely as a law-enforcement issue; "some of the guilty were indicted, tried, convicted, and sent to prison." Following the speech, one National Public Radio commentator gasped that Bush seemed to be blaming former President Bill Clinton.

That is, indeed, where blame lies. After every terrorist attack that occurred on his watch, Clinton would condemn the perpetrators and vow to bring them to justice. Yet there was a Catch-22: by treating terrorism as a law-enforcement issue, Clinton practically guaranteed that it would be understood as a law-enforcement issue — and the critical question of state sponsorship would receive scant attention. In many respects, the U.S. legal system was, and still is, ill-suited to dealing with major terrorist attacks.

SADDAM AND 9/11 by Laurie Mylroie and Jamie Glazov FrontPageMagazine.com January 8, 2004
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/1058
Excerpt:
In this edition of Frontpage Interview, we have the privilege of being joined by Dr. Laurie Mylroie, one of the foremost American scholars on Iraq and Saddam Hussein.

In her book Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein´s Unfinished War against America, Dr. Mylroie provided substantial evidence implicating Saddam's involvement in four terrorist attacks: the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing; the 1995 bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, the 1996 attack on the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, and the 1998 bombings of two African embassies.

"AL QAEDA DUNNIT!" THINK AGAIN by Laurie Mylroie NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE November 24, 2003
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/719
Excerpt:
Most probably, the Istanbul bombings were the work of Iraqi intelligence, in concert with Islamic militants. As I have written — at length, throughout the 1990s — Iraqi intelligence worked with and hid behind Islamic militants to attack the United States. Now it appears that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, was, in fact, an Iraqi-intelligence agent. Most recently, The Weekly Standard has reported the extensive contacts between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence, while author Ed Epstein has provided fascinating new details on the Czech claim that Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi-intelligence agent five months before the 9/11 attacks.

NRO INTERROGATORY : BATTLING THE BELTWAY - LAURIE MYLROIE INTERVIEWED BY K. LOPEZ by Laurie Mylroie NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE September 11, 2003
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/562

The Baluch Connection by Laurie Mylroie Wall Street Journal March 18, 2003
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/283

The Circle of Terror by Laurie Mylroie National Review Online February 19, 2003
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/237
Excerpt:
The United States is ill prepared for what Saddam might do, as we take him down. The problem is circular, and the greatest danger is biological terrorism. The government cannot propose civil-defense measures without alarming the public — and that creates difficulties, including a loss of support for war with Iraq.

Pretty much the only way the administration can explain the dangers in the war coming, prepare the population to deal with them, and retain support is to explain clearly the reasons for this war. It certainly includes Iraq's proscribed weapons — but it also includes strong suspicions of Iraq's involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
snip
My comment -- That says it all doesn't it?

Understated by Laurie Mylroie National Review Online February 5, 2003
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/223
Excerpt:
Colin Powell made a strong case for eliminating Saddam and his regime ASAP. Indeed, in some respects, the information he presented was stronger than his conclusions; the case was understated.

[shraby]

51. Laurie Mylroie is

a conspiracy theorist (reporter?) I believe who said that Atta met with an Iraqi official in Prague. The story that Cheney keeps refering to. Guess I'll have to google her.<G>

[coeur_de_lion]

62. The Guardian article completely discredits Mylroie, in spite of her

many articles on the subject, and apparent credentials. The one excerpt I thought pretty much summed it up:

snip
Mylroie's theories have bolstered the argument that led us into a costly war in Iraq, and swayed key opinion-makers in the Bush administration, who in turn persuaded Americans that the Iraqi dictator had a role in the 9/11 attacks. In November Mylroie told Newsweek: "I take satisfaction that we went to war with Iraq and got rid of Saddam Hussein. The rest is details." Now she tells us.
snip

She went to a lot of trouble to discredit Richard Clarke, blame Clinton, and find (nonexistent) links between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. After doing all that hard work, she then says, "The rest is details." If the rest is details, then why did she spend so much time on it? The poor woman must be exhausted. No wonder she starts freaking out and pointing her finger at the camera in that disconcerting manner.

Details, schmetails. Our freedom-loving, warm and fuzzy pres. and his staff would never deliberately take us into an unnecessary war, get hundreds of our boys killed, kill thousands or Iraqis, deprive us of our civil liberties, demolish the Constitution, and ruin anyone who stood in their way. Why, if they did, that would mean we are heading into a constitutional crisis. Don't be silly. * loves freedom. He likes to hug people, see? What a nice guy! Don't listen to all those flag-hating, freedom-hating, America-hating people, those seditious movie-making liars.

sarcasm off

Senator Rockefeller & his colleagues had better do more than just give gentle warnings at publicized conferences. Is there any hope that they will have the strength to fight * and his evil bunch?

[Pallas180]

55. Ha Ha Ha. H20 don't you know? AEI founded by Cheney & Wife

and its laughable that all this time the media has been calling upon
"experts" from the AEI who continually pushed war and so on .

Same signatories as PNAC - but I remember googling them in the very
beginnng when there were just about 5 people.

google and see who their "fellows" are. If I'm not mistaken Gingrich
has shown up there too.

[frank frankly]

58. are you serious? i've never heard that!

and why the fuck was LYNE CHENEY in the situation room on 9/11???

who the hell is LYNE CHENEY?

[Pallas180]

64. Hi Frank. Course I'm Serious. Lynne Cheney dragonwoman very powerful in

her own rite.

[frank frankly]

74. I'll have to look her up

thanks for your wonderful writing and info, pallas180!

[Pallas180]

86. Love this tag line from Sidney Blumenthal:

Sidney Blumenthal:" Washington, which was just weeks ago in the grip of neoconservative orthodoxy and absolute belief in Bush's inevitability and righteousness, is now in the throes of agonizing events and being ripped apart by investigations.

Things fall apart;
all that was hidden is revealed;
all sacred exposed as profane:
the military, loyal and lumbering, betrayed and embittered;
the general in the field, Lt. Gen. Sanchez, disgraced and cashiered;
and the most respected retired generals training their artillery on those who have ill-used the troops, still dying in the field;
the intelligence agencies, a nautilus of chambers, abused and angry, its retired operatives plying their craft with the press corps, seeping dangerous truths;
the press, hesitatingly and wobbly, investigating its own falsehoods;
the neocons, publicly redoubling their passionate intensity, defending their hero and deceiver Chalabi, privately squabbling, anxiously awaiting the footsteps of FBI agents;
Colin Powell, once the most acclaimed man in America, embarked on an endless quest to restore his reputation, damaged above all by his failure of nerve;
everyone in the line of fire motioning toward the chain of command, spiraling upward and sideways, until the finger pointing in a phalanx is directed at the hollow crown."

[calimary]

141. And Bill Schneider, who's the CNN poll-meister, is also from the

American Enterprise Institute. That's why when the bush polls are down, he's not grinning his Cheshire Cat grin. I saw one, recently, that he was interpreting, in which he looked downright funereal.

[Pallas180]

151. Calimary. NO. really. They're really recruiting. This is very

bad. He's on CNN -- so now they not only have Fox, 1/2 of MSNBC,
but infiltrating CNN


Then maybe his polls aren't to be trusted.

[burrowowl]

163. Juan Cole's blog

has some comments on her. Apparently her Arabic is not top-notch.

[calimary]

139. Maybe it's because he already HAS the evidence, but wants the

journalists' word to double-confirm it. If indeed, it's true that their being interviewed means they've reached the end of their investigation. I hope they're following the money.

[H2O Man]

14. You are right ....

It can be hard to transition from one thread to the next without losing several very important, on-going thoughts ... one of the most thoughtful and insightful was #235 on page four, by Tellurian .... I think that this sums up a huge portion of the the WHY the administration was giddy in their effort to expose Plame.

Yet the Niger information had already been discredited. No one believed it. And look very closely at bush's speech .... he was attributing this information more to British sources than Wilson's trip.

The key to this remains Plame's investigation. And remember that Plame was part of a well-coordinated effort that included other CI/MI resources, and some of the top deep-cover operatives from other countries ..... this mornings project: consider the intel operatives from other countries .... places like Germany and France .... connect some dots here.

Here's a starting point that could be fun: (and by "fun," I do not mean to imply any callous disrespect for the families that have suffered from the terrible events) .... is anyone here aware of the "warnings" that operatives from European countries gave to the USA before the Tim McVeigh incident?

[Dems Will Win]

17. Then there's this

John Doe from Oklahoma City and Jose Padilla are the same man!

take a look:



Lots of stuff you can google on this. Just type in Padilla and John Doe.

[Pallas180]

60. Astounding resemblance. But I thought McVeigh white Supremacist

connected?

Was that hogwash?

[lanparty]

116. stereotyping ... these aren't the same guy !!!

No, they're not the same guy. There are sgnificant diferences in the nose, eyes and chin.

But I agree that John Doe #3 is still on the loose. The FBI didn't clean up all the corners on the McVeigh investigation.

[shraby]

125. Remember..the one is a composite

drawn from someone's memory.

[lanparty]

134. Does the eyewitness ...

... say that it's Jose Padilla.

So you say that the lack of looking the same is do to inaccuracy of witness sketches. If they're so inaccurate, why do you assume that it's Jose Padilla????

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

18. Tim McVeigh?

Oddly enough, Richard Clarke, in his book, mentions Tim McVeigh having possible contact with these Islamic terrorists...in the Phillipines, I think. Though he was never able to prove an actual contact.

[kohodog]

28. McVeigh connection to Phillipines

was brought out in detail in the book by the Simon Reeve called "The New Jackels." There is compelling evidence including phone records.

it also talked about plans for hijacking multiple planes (I think 17) at the same time and crashing them, as well as the plot against the Pope.

It was written prior to 911 and is a great account of the hunt for Ramsi Usef and interesting backgroung on the US funding if the Mujadeen in Afghanistan. Worth checking out.

[H2O Man]

29. Listen really closely to Richard Clarke.

Really closely to what this man says. Richard Clarke doesn't play with the truth.

I will say that the McVeigh thing is something I threw out here for a reaction ..... though for a specific reaction ..... we have a great research staff here, and with the Clarke comment, even if we do not nail it down with concrete evidence .... we have open our minds to some interesting possibilities. Small doors often open to large rooms.

[juslikagrzly]

107. H20man, or anyone else up on their reading

you've all mentioned lots of books in these threads. I'm new to this and want to get started reading. What book(s) do you recommend I start with? I thought maybe Richard Clarke's.. and thanks.

[H2O Man]

118. I'll list five that you might enjoy:

(1) Worse than Watergate, by John Dean;Little, Brown & Co; 2004
(2)American Dynasty, by Kevin Phillips; Viking; 2004
(3) The Poliics of Truth, by Joe Wilson; Carrol & Graf; 2004
(4) JFK, by L. Fletcher Prouty; Citadel Press; 1992
(5) Farewell America, by J. Hepburn; Penmarin Books;2002

and for good measure:
(6)The Imperial Presidency, by A. Schlesinger; Houghton Mifflin Co; 1973

These are six books that I would recommend to anyone interested in the subjects being discussed on this series of threads. There are dozens of others mentioned by various participants in this on-going conversation that are also of great value and interest. The ones I have listed here are simply what I would suggest as a good introduction. I would note that almost anything -- book or article -- by these others, or cited as references in their works, are of value.

[juslikagrzly]

143. Thanks so much h20man

I'll get to reading as we say here in OK.

I am wondering if I'm turning into a tin-foil hat person :-). The weirdest thing is to read something in these threads, then see it in the paper on TV later.

[H2O Man]

152. You know, it's funny .....

some of our friends on DU express frustration at the major media sources for not reporting the news accurately .... or hiding the truth from the masses .... and this does happen, to an extent .... but more frequently, we over-estimate the capabilities of those men and women in the media .... they are not necessarily "gifted" ..... look at that horse's ass Sean Hannity: his world view is so rigid, that if he were able to absorb even a small amount of truth, he would crack. I'm not joking when I say that.

Those who are more likely to be able to recognize the truth .... and hence convey it .... are on occassion a guest on one of the commercial shows ..... but far more likely to have delivered the word in a book. I've mentioned Kevin Phillips .... a "must read" who really isn't going to fit the format of a Fox News show -- thank God.

The information you, I, and our friends needs is out there. If it's found on the pages of Dean's latest book once, but denied a thousand times a week on Fox News .... it's still just as true.

What amazes me is the ability of some of our friends to access good information from the internet so darned fast. Obviously, I'm dating myself as closer to the paleolithic era than to the high-tech computer age!

[shraby]

153. Google is the friend of the masses.

[Cassandra]

98. I understood that it was Terry Nichols..

who flew to the Phillipines for explosives training with Al Quaida operatives there.

[kohodog]

103. I think you're right

But there's still a strong connection to McVeigh and Oklahoma City.

[Pallas180]

25. H20 - That's very serious accusation-McVeigh- you have any

links, published data on that from European papers, or is it just
conjecture?

Essentially McVeigh has been portrayed as a White Supremacist type
with many others following that type of thinking in the service at
(where was it he trained) Ft. Bragg, North Carolina?

[H2O Man]

27. Actually a program on

one of the cable channels had information regarding operatives in the US that gave some warning about sources manipulating behind the scenes .... not warning exactly what would happen, but more of a warning what could happen.

I can not remember the exact title of the program. But I'm confident that the research staff we have assembled will be able to follow this lead.

It has some interesting implications.

[Pallas180]

85. McVeigh was after the Federal govt. Had compatriots in army which

was followed up on after Oklahoma, then no one heard anything else
about it. He was portrayed as a white supremacist type who wanted
to bring down the federal govt....it always seemed like something
was missing.

why would he want to do that?

If there are others in the army like him, and I would think after what
bushco has done to the guard and army in Iraq, there well could be, many coming back and saying "what was this for?" - then possibly just
possibly when dimson orders the army to turn on the people, they might not? ? ?

Why would the not publish his connections to Islamists?

We had already been attacked in 93 at the WTC and at embassies in
Africa -

Why would he not have left a manifesto, like the unibomber?

How would he have become involved.

H20 - don;t be such an enigma.

Start answering some questions, fella. :)

[H2O Man]

94. McVeigh was a confused and hateful

individual. One can only wonder if the military had the resources to provide supportive services to the men and women who return from the hell of war, would he have been able to deal with the bitterness that consumed him?

War creates a form of hatred that DEMANDS existence .... we need only look at the situation with the Palestinians, or Northern Ireland, or any one of a hundred others.... well, McVeigh became that hatred, and he was willing to do the stupidest, most evil act ..... and was confused enough to think his vile act was somehow patriotic. Look what that war did.... and believe me, I hold him 100% responsible for his actions.

But who was he connected to? Who may have found fertile ground in the sick mind of this fool? I'm not sure that this has ever really been answered.

Now ..... as for me being an "enigma" ..... that's curious .... I've said that at most I'm an old man sitting on a park bench, talking current events with a few passers-by. But what's important .... at very most .... is the discussion itself, not the old man on the park bench. Our culture makes far too much of personality .... and I'm smart enough to know that there's not much here to make too much of ...(grin) .... so I'm satisfied to keep the discussion on the current events.

[starroute]

100. Interesting Gore Vidal piece from 2001 on McVeigh

http://www.geocities.com/gorevidal3000/tim.htm

McVeigh apparently wrote to Gore Vidal from jail, and they conducted an on-and-off correspondence for several years, until McVeigh's execution. Vidal doesn't seem to have found McVeigh at all confused or hateful. He describes him as someone who saw himself as a soldier at war and had a very clear idea of what he believed and what he felt needed to be done about it.

Vidal is also not convinced that McVeigh either built or personally detonated the bomb, but thinks he took the fall to protect his co-conspirators.

There's nothing really new in the article -- but the fact that someone as thoughtful and perceptive as Vidal was prepared to accord McVeigh genuine respect says a lot.

[H2O Man]

101. I think that Gore Vidal would

agree that a person who takes part in blowing up a federal building in belief that it is a patriotic act is indeed confused, and that a person who kills hundreds of people to make a political statement is indeed hateful. This is in no way inconsistant with his description of McVeigh as a man who believed he was a soldier with strong beliefs who took an action he felt was justified and necessary.

The book on McVeigh by Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck tells a similar story.

[starroute]

105. We may be using the words in somewhat different senses

I think of Lee Harvey Oswald and James Earl Ray as confused -- unrooted young men with no particular direction in life, which made them particularly vulnerable to being used as catspaws by others. McVeigh as Vidal presents him is not at all confused in that sense -- he had a very clear idea of himself and his purposes. Also, Vidal describes McVeigh as someone who was not a "hater" -- that is, not a racist or white supremacist -- but rather a self-declared enemy of the government.

I'm not trying to defend McVeigh (though Vidal might be, to an extent), but to suggest that he falls into a sharply different category from Oswald or Ray or Sirhan Sirhan -- perhaps the best word is fanatic, someone akin to Osama bin Laden -- and that this has great bearing on what occurred in Oklahoma City.

Vidal's real concern in the piece is to answer the question of why McVeigh would have confessed to the crime if he was not the only or even the primary actor. In the process of doing that, he implies that something far more complex and genuinely "political" was going on than is generally acknowledged.

[H2O Man]

121. Yes, we are using the words in a slightly

different way. I think that we are in general agreement.

James Earl Ray was a fool who was maneuvered like a pawn by fairly sophisticated sources. He did not shoot King, though. There were two other "teams" in place: one on the overgrown bank (mob-cop) and one on the top of a near-by building (which necessitated the removal of the black cops & firemen from their stations).

Sirhan is perhaps the lone example of "mind control" through hypnosis etc. He was one of two gunmen. He was not the better shot, obviosly.

Oswald was the exact opposite of what history has recorded him as. He was young, naive, and had good intentions. He also thought he was a lot smarter than those around him ..... but he had no idea how he was being played until the end.

I agree in general with what you are saying about McVeigh. As repulsed as I am by what he did -- and I find it beyond belief that anyone can think that we will resolve issues through violence, and what he was part of surely was not self-defense -- there is something tragic about his life. He was 99% sure that what he did was part of being a soldier. I am convinced, however, that the knowledge that his action killed little children did sink in on him. He would not have opened his mouth to tell on those who were involved, but he also would not have been as resigned to his own death but for the knowledge that he killed children.

In the end, we will not reach higher ground by using violent tactics. McVeigh's stupidity is almost bibical in showing that violence begets violence. It's a shame that our culture is not able to access the true potential of a kid like Tim McVeigh.... or that we lose "nameless" groups of itty-bitty children to the destructive rages of adults.

[Pallas180]

115. H20, Heyzeus. Takes day just to read this thread,how do u have time

to read books?

[H2O Man]

123. Old habits die hard.

I grew up reading a lot. The habit continues. I try to read at least 150 books a year, on top of re-reading a good many more. While I enjoy conversing with human beings in the flesh, on the phone, or by the computer ...... books allow me to converse with the greatest minds of recorded history, one on one. And so I have books in in 12 rooms in my house .... allowing me to read quite often. (smile)

[Pallas180]

133. I must admit that for many years I've read nothing that isn't

associated with my 2 major vocations - much more peaceful life than
what we are doing here which is seriously giving me palpitations.

There are those who don;t care about what is happening...and then I think it is that there are those of us, idealists, who truly believe
in and have been brought up and believed in the ideology this country represented - past tense.

The research - the posts- the eye opening realizations - are shocking,
truly shocking and overwhelming.


We are modern day Diogenes roaming the streets seeking one honest man: in congress, in media,somewhere.

This cannot be allowed to go on.

What to do?

What to do?

[ramblin_dave]

40. I don't get it

Post #235 on thread 4 by Tellurian puts forward the idea that Wilson was being set up as a traitor who misled Bush into war.

Yet others have suggested that Plame may have discovered something big that implicated the Bush regime and outing her was main objective.

So did the Bush gang need to shut down Plame's investigation and getting Wilson hung out to dry a secondary benefit? But post 4-235 suggests Wilson was the main target. And what "opportunity" was presented to Plame, like "bait on a hook"?

I guess I can't read between the lines very well.

[Tellurian]

76. Bush planned to use Wilson as his fall guy for the War in Iraq..

Plame may very well have been privy to very damaging information to the Bush WH...but events hadn't developed enough for her to put forth any information..and too many variables to speculate on her role at this time..

If you focus on what is happening now and pretend Joe Wilson never disputed Bush 16 words in the SOTU Address, you'll be in the right place. And technically, that is what Bush is doing right now for damage control. Pretend Wilson never said a thing in conflict with the SOTU Address. Because they are going forward with their original plan to hang Ambassador Wilson out to dry, blaming him as a traitor to his country. And the primary lynch pin to the preemptive strike on Iraq!

In order to find a provable motive necessary for Wilson's defense, the time line has to rotate backwards. We have to know who contacted Wilson to suggest he go to Niger. That is the starting point, imo, and work backwards from there. I haven't seen a name mentioned anywhere as contacting Wilson, just an administration official. If someone can provide that bit of information...whoa!

I don't see a Constitutional crisis looming in the distance, but I do see a Rosenburg case scenario developing, as you suggested...

I agree, the somewhat conflicting prospectives put out by the WP are odd. It seems to me they are floating a broad spectrum analysis to:

....expand the playing field, now that Bush has a private attorney on the payroll. Attorneys like to focus a case within time-lines. So, that is what the WP job is right now. Broadening the playing field to give Bush and his team of attorneys wiggle room.

....ramping up the accusations against Wilson and Val and creating an aura of uncertainty surrounding their credibility..

I hope Joe is on this right away. The Bush defense team have had several weeks to weave a web of defense. Joe needs to get ahead of the curve and counter their attack points right away...or, hope for another fireball to hit with another scandal to buy some time.

[frank frankly]

80. that recent, strange smear piece on Wilson in the WaPo is the clincher

Tellurian, you've got something here. Fascinating.

Dick Cheney can't sell nukes as CEO of Halliburton, so he becomes President of the USA and goes buck wild.

Yep. Dick Cheney is the big ticket item. He is the guy who sent Wilson. Why did he send Wilson has always been an unasked question...he had to know Wilson would not be able to confirm.

Dick doesn't make mistakes like that. So maybe it wasn't a mistake.

[Tellurian]

96. Frankly franky...

Your assessment is 100% dead on balls accurate!
(quote from: 'My Cousin Vinny'..)

[H2O Man]

97. "he had to know Wilson would not be able to confirm..."

Take that thought, but look at it in the opposite sense ..... the idea of sending Wilson was not to "confirm" ..... because they already knew the document saying Niger was conducting business with Iraq was a fake.... so what they needed was for Wilson to say there was no proof one way or the other ..... remember, Wilson had prior experience with Saddam from the first Gulf War, and many in the administratio may have thought he would go along with them. Wrong guy. What Wilson did was to prove without any serious doubt that Niger could not possibly have been dealing yellow cake to Iraq. What that means is that the one option that destroyed this bogus threat was taken by Wilson .... and the White House then relied on the British sources in the State of the Union Address.

[Tellurian]

120. Wilson was set up from the beginning...

He was to be the "sleeper" fall guy for the War with Iraq that Bush would be pointing to *now* during his election campaign. Wilson is the primary reason Bush never worried about an exit strategy. If Wilson hadn't screamed foul, quite simply and painfully his a** would be in a sling right now and he wouldn't have a leg to stand on for his defense.

The fact that Cheney requested he go to Niger...implicates the Bush Administration's desire to take the two of them down..she being the outed CIA agant and he branded as a traitor co-conspirator against the US...

[H2O Man]

130. I do not disagree

with what you are saying ..... earlier there was a comparison made to Julius and Ethal Rosenberg, which is amazingly insightful .... these two will be subjected to even more vicious attacks in the future by shitheads like Sean Hannity and Bob Novak in the media, and people like those who exposed them for such patriotic reasons from the White House.

Always remember what another Man X named Malcolm used to say: our enemy will make the criminal look like the victim, and the victim look like the criminal. And they use their "sources" in the media to accomplish this.

Did they have a plan long before sending Wilson? Yes, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Did Wilson's activities, either in Africa or in the USA, fit into their plan? No. Not at all. And they underestimated him.

The 5-23-04 NYT Book Review section, on page 9, has a wonderful piece by John Dean, "Don't Tread on joseph Wilson." While Dean is not without fault, he has an ability to understand this case that goes beyond his experiences with Nixon. At the end of his review, he notes that the White House continues its assault upon Wilson, adding, "they should understand that they have picked a fight with the wrong fellow."

[starroute]

43. Is it time to talk about Ihsan Barbouti?

About two years ago, I was part of a thread here on Iraqgate (the secretive arming of Saddam by the Bush I administration and subsequent coverup) and collected a bunch of links related to a shadowy figure named Ihsan Barbouti who was tied to Iraq, Libya, and possibly also Oklahoma City.

First, here's something on Barbouti from an article on Wackenhut (which is presently available online only at a UFO site -- but don't let that throw you off.)

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1996/oct/m30-001.shtml

As reported on ABC's "Nightline" last year, the three companies in which Barbouti invested were TK-7 of Oklahoma City, which makes a fuel additive; Pipeline Recovery Systems of Dallas, which makes an anti-corrosive chemical that preserves pipes; and Product Ingredient Technoiogy of Boca Raton, which makes food flavorings. None of these companies was looking to do business with Iraq; Barbouti sought them out. Why was he interested? Because TK-7 had formulas that could extend the range of jet aircraft and liquid-fueled missiles such as the SCUD; because Pipeline Recovery knows how to coat pipes to make them usable in nuclear reactors and chemical-weapons plants; and because one of the by-products in making cherry flavoring is ferric ferrocyanide, a chemical that's used to manufacture hydrogen cyanide, which can penetrate gas masks and protective clothing. Hydrogen cyanide was used by Saddam Hussein against the Kurds in the Iran-Iraq war.

<snip>

Unfortunately for Barbouti, none of the companies in which he made investments was willing to ship its products or technology to his European divisions. That, however, doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't get some of what he wanted. In 1990, 2,000 gallons of ferrocyanide were found to be missing from the cherry-flavor factory in Boca Raton. Where it went is a mystery; Peter Kawaja, who was the head of security for all of Barbouti's U.S. investments, told SPY, "We were never burglarized, but that stuff didn't walk out by itself."


Judicial Watch picked up on this Barbouti information and used it to try to establish a direct Iraqi connection to the Oklahoma City bombing.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/newsletter/2002/0502b.shtml

In 1987, Sabawi Ibrahim al Tikriti, a half brother of Saddam Hussein, and Dr. Ihsan Barbouti, an Iraqi, attended a meeting in London for the purpose of acquiring a fuel additive company in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. An offer was made to the owner and a deal secured whereby Barbouti would produce a shopping list of chemicals for shipment overseas. These chemicals included the same two ingredients later mixed to make the Murrah building truck bomb.

A Criminal Investigation agent for the U.S. Customs Service would issue a report in 1990 that revealed a partnership between Barbouti and another individual to acquire technology and weapons for Libya and Iraq. It would later be learned in a Florida court case that the "other" individual was Youssef.

In 1989, seven barrels of sodium cyanide were diverted from a plant in Boca Raton owned by Barbouti and shipped to Iraq. Three years later, Youssef would attempt, but fail, to release this same chemical into the ventilation system of the World Trade Center as part of the 1993 bombing.


And I found more strange stuff, like this from an anti-Castro site:
http://www.netforcuba.org/biologicalwarfare.htm

There were rumors circulating after Desert Storm that some U.S. troops had encountered a new type of chemical war gas which penetrated or compromised the current military-issue activated carbon N.B.C. air filters and masks. This chemical agent is purported to be a strain of hydrogen cyanide called, Prussian Blue. It is further alleged that it was developed in the U.S. by a company called Product Ingredient Technology (P.I.T.) of Boca Raton, Florida. This P.I.T. plant was financed and constructed by a Dr. Barbouti of Ishan Barbouti International (I.B.I.) who also built the Pharma-150 chemical-biological complex at Rabta, Libya. P.I.T. exported Prussian Blue to Iraq a year or so before the Persian Gulf War.

An informant, Peter Kawaja, who tried to alert the federal government about P.I.T. was raided in 1990 by eight heavily armed federal agents who removed evidence, tapes and documents not only implicating the involvement of foreign agents but also high ranking U.S. government officials. The evidence has been sealed by a federal magistrate under the guise of 'national security.'


And this from a site on Gulf War Syndrome:
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/forms/11-gulfwar.html

According to computer security expert, Peter Kiwaja, the CIA was deeply involved in the pre-war planning for chemical and biological warfare in the Gulf War. On The Zoh Show on October 10, 1995 Kiwaja related how he was contracted to supply a 'computer based security system for PIT, Product Ingredient Technology, of Ishan Barbouti International (IBI) in Boca Raton Florida.' Ishan Barbouti, who has since died of an alleged heart attack, was an Iraqi national who constructed Libya's chemical and biological weapons plant, Pharma 150. According to Kiwaja, the residential West Palm Beach PIT plant was conducting more than the above-board food processing business -- hydrogen cyanide, otherwise known as Prussian Blue, was also being developed there and tested for war theater gas masks. Kiwaja took his discoveries to the CIA and U.S. Customs and was recruited under a code name to find out as much as he could. 'The Government told me that they were international terrorists,' and yet, 'as I was proceeding with my rapid deployment team, which was comprised of combat vets who were stationed throughout Texas and Oklahoma,' said Kiwaja, 'we began to encounter FBI counter intelligence and U.S. Intelligence involved with the same people that I was reporting to the CIA.'


And there's some additional pieces that now seem to be available only through Google Groups (from a posting to alt.prophecies.nostradamus, no less):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Bush%27s+deposition+in+a+civil+lawsuit+by+former+business+associates&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=FM7f9.8800%24X%253.2008409%40amsnews03.chello.com&rnum=1

02/27/1993 HOUSTON (AP) -- A judge ruled that testimony by former President Bush can be subpoenaed in an investigation into a mysterious Iraqi dealmaker who may have helped set up poison gas programs in Iraq and Libya.

District Judge Eileen O'Neill agreed Friday to order Bush's deposition in a civil lawsuit by former business associates of Dr. Ihsan Barbouti, who say they were defrauded through illegal export schemes.

Barbouti was reported to have died of heart disease at age 63 in July 1990, but some believe he feigned his death and is in hiding. Lloyd's of London insurance company has refused to pay Barbouti's life insurance claim.


I've never known what to make of any of this -- and it's clearly people pretty far out on the tinfoil edge of things who are keeping the story alive. But it sure does seem to open a window into the seamier underside of the arms trade.

[H2O Man]

49. The important thing to remember

in evaluating information -- and you are giving us a good example of how to do it correctly -- is to keep in mind that you don't have to believe everything you read; that you need to be skeptical of most sources; but that you never just "throw away" or discard something that really stands out, even if it first arrives via a strange source. Good job.

[Pallas180]

111. Twilight Zone -rogue U.S. govt + Bush + CIA + FBI counter intel

KEYWORDS

Barbouti- Iraqui Agent
Wackenhut(personal friend of pappybush who privatized Los Alamos security and jails and everything else, (I think including security for Langley)to good friend Wachenhut

the three companies in which Barbouti invested were :

- TK-7 had formulas that could extend the range of jet aircraft and liquid-fueled missiles such as the SCUD;

- Pipeline Recovery knows how to coat pipes to make them usable in nuclear reactors and chemical-weapons plants;

- by-products in making cherry flavoring is ferric ferrocyanide, a chemical that's used to manufacture hydrogen cyanide, which can penetrate gas masks and protective clothing. Hydrogen cyanide was used by Saddam Hussein against the Kurds in the Iran-Iraq war.

Peter Kawaja, who was the head of security for all of Barbouti's U.S. investments,



In 1987,(pappy veep) Sabawi Ibrahim al Tikriti, a half brother of Saddam Hussein, and Dr. Ihsan Barbouti, an Iraqi, attended a meeting in London for the purpose of acquiring a fuel additive company in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. a deal secured whereby Barbouti would produce a shopping list of chemicals for shipment overseas including the same two ingredients later mixed to make the Murrah building truck bomb.

A Criminal Investigation agent for the U.S. Customs Service would issue a report in 1990 that revealed a partnership between Barbouti and another individual to acquire technology and weapons for Libya and Iraq. It would later be learned in a Florida court case that the "other" individual was Ramzi Youssef.(1st wtc bomber)

In 1989, seven barrels of sodium cyanide were diverted from a plant in Boca Raton owned by Barbouti and shipped to Iraq. Three years later, Youssef would attempt, but fail, to release this same chemical into the ventilation system of the World Trade Center as part of the 1993 bombing.

There were rumors circulating after Desert Storm that some U.S. troops had encountered a new type of chemical war gas which penetrated or compromised the current military-issue activated carbon N.B.C. air filters and masks. This chemical agent is purported to be a strain of hydrogen cyanide called, Prussian Blue. It is further alleged that it was developed in the U.S. by a company called Product Ingredient Technology (P.I.T.) of Boca Raton, Florida. This P.I.T. plant was financed and constructed by a Dr. Barbouti of Ishan Barbouti International (I.B.I.) who also built the Pharma-150 chemical-biological complex at Rabta, Libya. P.I.T. exported Prussian Blue to Iraq a year or so before the Persian Gulf War.

An informant, Peter Kawaja, who tried to alert the federal government about P.I.T. was raided in 1990 by eight heavily armed federal agents who removed evidence, tapes and documents not only implicating the involvement of foreign agents but also high ranking U.S. government officials. The evidence has been sealed by a federal magistrate under the guise of 'national security.

According to computer security expert, Peter Kiwaja, the CIA was deeply involved in the pre-war planning for chemical and biological warfare in the Gulf War. On The Zoh Show on October 10, 1995 Kiwaja related how he was contracted to supply a 'computer based security system for PIT, Product Ingredient Technology, of Ishan Barbouti International (IBI) in Boca Raton Florida.' Ishan Barbouti, who has since died of an alleged heart attack, was an Iraqi national who constructed Libya's chemical and biological weapons plant, Pharma 150. According to Kiwaja, the residential West Palm Beach PIT plant was conducting more than the above-board food processing business -- hydrogen cyanide, otherwise known as Prussian Blue, was also being developed there and tested for war theater gas masks.

kiwaja took his discoveries to the CIA and U.S. Customs and was recruited under a code name to find out as much as he could. 'The Government told me that they were international terrorists,' and yet, 'as I was proceeding with my rapid deployment team, which was comprised of combat vets who were stationed throughout Texas and Oklahoma,' said Kiwaja, 'we began to encounter FBI counter intelligence and U.S. Intelligence involved with the same people that I was reporting to the CIA.'{/b]


02/27/1993 HOUSTON (AP) -- A judge ruled that testimony by former President Bush can be subpoenaed in an investigation into a mysterious Iraqi dealmaker who may have helped set up poison gas programs in Iraq and Libya.

District Judge Eileen O'Neill agreed Friday to order Bush's deposition in a civil lawsuit by former business associates of Dr. Ihsan Barbouti, who say they were defrauded through illegal export schemes.
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Now the missing links: (and apparently this is what Danny Cassolaro who was writing a book on "The Octopus" detailing some pretty terrible stuff in this govt., died for in a men's room) as related here:

http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/26515.php


The Wackenhut Connection
The Wackenhut Security Corporation of Miami, Florida, has long been suspected of being a CIA front. The right-wing politics of George Wackenhut, who had ties to Belgian fascists and South American death squads, are well known. But few people realize that Wackenhut, a small company with "only a few" employees, gets some choice assignments, including guarding nuclear reactors, nuclear weapons facilities, the Alaskan Oil pipeline, and several American embassies; or that its board of directors contains several luminaries from the FBI, CIA, and Army Intelligence, including Bobby Ray Inman. Wackenhut has led a covert crusade against whistleblowers at many nuclear power plants, using wiretaps to eavesdrop on them and various 'subtle' techniques to convince them not to talk; it also spied on Chuck Hamel, a critic of the Aleyska Oil Consortium's drilling policies, by setting up a fake environmental-law firm which sought to "pump" him for his sources. Wackenhut may have even used some operatives to try and help topple President Perez of Venezuela through a (failed) military coup, largely for money (rather than politics) it was given by Blanca Ibanez, the mistress of Jaime Luinschi, the former president.
Also, a Wackenhut employee named Ernesto Bermudez was using 1500 'employees' in El Salvador for things he admitted "you wouldn't want your mother to know about" to a reporter from Spy magazine.

Candian PM Pierre Trudeau refused to allow Wackenhut to purchase a weapons-propellant plant in Quebec, and it was refused a permit to open a security facility in France because President Francois Mitterand said "we had just gotten rid of the CIA."

Wackenhut maintained files on over 4 million suspected 'subversives' of all types, including civil rights activists and antiwar protesters, well into the 1960s, making it the largest private holder of such information. In 1975, after a Congressional investigation into domestic intelligence operations and connections to private firms, Wackenhut turned its files over to the Anti-Communist Church League of America based in Wheaton, Illinois, which is now defunct. Florida Governor Claude Kirk claims to have worked closely with Wackenhut to "fight organized crime," although insiders maintain they were doing anything but fighting the Mob.
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Baker & Botts law firm -- owned by George Bush Sr.’s Secretary of State James Baker -- was mentioned in a billing statement (for legal services rendered) by a Florida chemical company headed by an Iraqi terrorist -- Ihsan Barbouti -- had close ties to World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef, but was also the main contractor for the Rabta chemical weapons plant in terrorist Libya.

Baker’s law firm was linked to the Iraqi terrorist’s Boca Raton chemical company via multiple contracts for secret formulas and enzymes. But Baker & Botts was also mentioned with Joint Venture Agreements connected to Barbouti’s attorney during the period when illegal nerve gas precursors were shipped by the Boca Raton company to Iraq just months prior to the outbreak of Gulf War I hostilities.


http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=57755;title=APFN

On Monday, October 2, 1989, George H. W. Bush signed his name to a secret presidential policy to help Saddam Hussein -- just one year prior to the beginning of 7,000+ Gulf War veterans’ eventual deaths within 10 years of returning home robust and healthy. It would become known eventually as National Security Directive 26 (NSD-26)
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Iraqi terrorist Ishan Barbouti: his CIA-protected Florida company produced “Prussian Blue” cyanide gas derivative shipped to Iraq prior to Gulf War I to deteriorate materials in U.S. Military gas masks especially the protective filters thus enabling a higher malfunction ratio causing permanent nerve gas injury to a larger number of young American soldiers, at least 7,000+ of whom are now dead since returning home from the Persian Gulf during the last decade. Most of these soldiers died before the age of forty.
___________________________

On January 15, 1996, Captain Joyce Riley, RN, BSN, USAF Reserve, Ret. -- a Gulf War Veterans activist and host of a daily three-hour talk-show connected to her website The Power Hour.com -- revealed to a Houston, Texas audience the real reason why Barbouti was developing and testing Prussian Blue on gas masks at a chemical plant in Florida:

“If Saddam Hussein had wanted to kill our soldiers, he would have

just outright killed them with mustard or cyanide. That wasn’t the

plan. The plan was to give them a long-term illness that they would

bring back to their families. What better way to give a country a

disease than to give it to the military, who move all over the

country. This was an experiment in biological warfare.”

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PHILADELPHIA -- October 31, 2002 (TomFlocco.com) -- Members of the Bush 41 cabinet held sizeable and conflicting financial positions in Gulf War-related companies. And the results of a financial assets analysis by his Attorney General, Richard Thornburgh, forced the elder Bush to employ a “conflict of interest waiver” -- kept secret from Congress -- to absolve his cabinet from future culpability or prosecution should Congress or surviving Gulf War military families ever question or litigate their private and/or undisclosed financial links to Iraq.
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This is so terrible that I had to get up and walk away from the computer before I could sit down and compose it.

And do we now doubt that dimson darth vader and company could be behind the wtc2 disaster?

who knows? maybe McVeigh was one of the ones who had the nerve gas disease, was onto this, and went on his revenge against the US govt.

now, we know. lots of citizens know. Just google Bush + Barbouti and
see all the stuff you come up with. Bush + Wackenhut. Bush + Hussein.

What a den of vipers.

And if we know...how many in the congress know.

And now you know why dimson passed laws that soldiers could not sue
the pharma companies whose vaccines they are forced to take and many
who are having serious illnesses to the malaria shot, the anthrax shot and so on.

So now we know a lot of the worst about 41 and can guess just as much about 43.

This is too much for the citizen to handle. We need the army to arrest them.

[starroute]

124. Is Florida a particular center of evil in all of this?

We take it for granted that a lot of roads lead back to Texas -- big oil, extreme right-wing politics, the Kennedy assassination, Enron, dealings with the Saudis, etc.

But Florida seems to be coming up even more often in these threads (and in other related matters) than Texas: Anti-Castro Cubans. The home base of Helliwell when he set up the money-laundering Castle Bank. The 80's cocaine epidemic. Wackenhut. Barbouti's Boca Ratan chemical weapon factory. The crooked voting that handed Bush the 2000 election. The Venice flight school story covered by Daniel Hopsicker.

In short, drug smuggling, money-laundering, arms sales, the CIA, and terrorism.

And, of course, Jeb Bush.

It's obvious why George ran for governor of Texas. But how ever did Jebbie wind up in Florida? Is Miami the world headquarters of Evil-Thugs-R-Us? It sure would be nice to know.

[Pallas180]

128. Scaiffe has just moved his operation to Florida & Atta's HQ.

do I know?

I moved here one month before 911. I thought it would be a safer place
than the Northeast.

Not looking that good after reading all this.

And the only building in the country that got successfully antrhaxed.

I don;'t even want to know who owns Baurati's company now, I could
start looking it up - but I'm not fond of having the Blues Brothers
ring my doorbell.

[shraby]

129. I was just reading today that Rudy

Guilliani's company is cleaning up the anthrax building in Florida.

[nannah]

174. mob money in boca raton and south fla

for money laundering and moving drugs. factor that into the mix.

[Pallas180]

191. Welcome Nannah. Nice to have you join us. :)

:kick:

[nannah]

206. thanks. what does "ignored" mean

in this thread. i'm guessing it is posts by h20 that are marked "ignore"??

[shraby]

222. You don't want to be ignoring H20

he's a wealth of information.

[H2O Man]

235. Ignore all of H20's comments.....

"Ignorant" is too kind a word for him. Trouble-making, rumor-spreading discontent, he! With my very eyes -- and on this thread! -- I've witnessed that fool as he has implied that some of our founding fathers heir apparent in the White House today runs a corrupt administration. Bad. Bad. Very bad. I ignore him, and strongly suggest we all do ..... much like a snotty-nosed brat on the playground of life, brought to you and made possible by our friends in Halliburton.

[coeur_de_lion]

269. Shocking, disgraceful, shameful, wicked H2O n/t

[Pallas180]

245. No Nannah. It usually means someone posted something with bad words

or insulting. there are rules to posting on DU which you might look up.
No attacks on others etc. Sometimes we get people from "the other side" , "moles" who try to disrupt.

[Pallas180]

126. And just for good measure, how REagan Bush stole spy program

and distrubuted it to more than 80 countries, banks so that they could undetectedly transfer moneys without fingerprints, money laundering, Saddam, and possibly Osama which is why they can;t find
him.......super spy program.

Read all about it and what it can do here:

http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/octopus.html

or google Promis + spy

[truth2power]

159. Wackenhut connection

Wackenhut has always been associated with the "cammo dudes" that show up around Area 51 at Groom Lake.

I'm at a different computer today that has a lot of problems and so I can't switch back and forth without losing this post, thus no links -- but Google wackenhut + area 51. Some of the articles I found said that Wackenhut is a CIA front, which may have already been alluded to here.

What is at Area 51? Aside from the "alien theories", some say it's no more than a USAF test site; others say they're burning some wierd sort of toxic chemicals there.

Whatever -- they seem to be taking EXTRAORDINARY measures to keep people away.

[Pallas180]

168. I recall Carlyle owns war "chemical/gas" elimination/trash biz

somewhere in the South.

I'm getting to the point where the corruption
and filth and disgust of the sociopaths in this government is just overwhelming.

I'd like to get some guys from the World Wrestling Federation, get hold of those bastids we've been talking about, and sit them down right in the middle of one of their own burning chemical trash heaps.

[Snazzy]

13. "sting operation"

To me those were the most interesting words in the brief Time article--don't think I heard that before. Although I haven't yet read Wilson's book. Does he mention that?

Who was to be stung?

Was her focus Saudis?

There was an article yesterday that seemed to tie in nicely:

U.S. Firm Supplied Nuclear Black Market

By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria - An investigation of the black market supplying nations wanting nuclear arms has spread to more than 20 firms — some of them North American — the chief of the U.N. atomic agency told The Associated Press Friday. A senior diplomat identified one of the firms as U.S. based.

Demanding anonymity, the diplomat also said the Syria and Saudi Arabia are also being investigated as possible buyer nations, beyond Iraq (news - web sites), Iran, Libya and North Korea (news - web sites) — the countries known to have been in contact with Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan and members of his procurement network.

But the diplomat, who is familiar with the Vienna-based IAEA told The AP that beyond suspicions prompting a continuing investigation, "there has been no proof" on Syria and Saudi Arabia that would warrant them being reported to the board of governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

In separate comments to The Associated Press, IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei avoided specifics on the locations of the firms supplying the nuclear black market beyond saying there were "over 20 countries, some of them in North America."

....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040710/ap_on_re_eu/nuclear_black_market&cid=518&ncid=716

This was one interesting direction thread #4 was getting into.

[H2O Man]

32. Very interesting....

and I agree with you that this is one of the most interesting -- and important -- directions that the last page was heading in.

[Pallas180]

22. FROM BEAM-ME-UP: THREADS 1,2,3 DOWNLOADABLE

Plame Indictments threads: downloadable MSWord Documents


Easier to download--especially if you're on dialup--and faster to read off your hard drive or print out.


http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments01.... 05-Jul-2004 14:29 433k

http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments02.... 06-Jul-2004 18:11 516k

http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/plame-indictments03.... 08-Jul-2004 23:48 286k

[spotbird]

24. Today's Washington Post has a damning article re. Wilson

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role

Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.

It doesn't address the crime, only attempts to totally discredit Wilson.

[Tellurian]

31. Yep, and the WP article more than reinforces this scenario that Wilson..

was to be Bush's fall guy...

Thank you, arbustochupa for your input on thread #4..concurring with me.

Our observations of Bush yesterday noting the peculiar, almost maniacal look on his face, doing his best to convince people, "He HAD to do what he did going to Iraq. And isn't it a "good thing," we're safe now from that dictator?"


reprinted from thread #4:

The target all along was Wilson. Plame was destined to be the bait. The simple fact of the matter is Bush was going to take them both "out", no matter what.

If Wilson had kept quiet and not said anything about the LIE, he would have been the scapegoat for the lie in the end. (Hold this thought)

Digressing for a moment..

I couldn't believe what I was hearing today. The media is still pushing Bush's Lie blaming bad intelligence as justification for the War. I'm not sure where Bush campaigned today. Wherever it was, he was still repeating the Lie. Contorting his face begging the audience to believe what he was telling them...

"THERE *WERE* WMD in IRAQ!"

WE, (not I) went to War with Iraq based on good/bad intelligence. (he likes using words and definitions to confuse..(ex..based on good intelligence one day.. the intelligence was bad the next day)

Now, forget that Wilson ever called Bush out.

If Wilson had *not* spoken up and revealed Bush's LIE in the SOTU Address, but instead had gone along with Bush and remained silent.

His silence would have been his undoing.

Wilson had been earmarked as Bush's exit strategy 4 yrs ago. I'll say it again in case you missed it the first time...

WILSON was what we would call in a Republican kind of way, BUSH'S EXIT STRATEGY from Iraq..a psychological exit strategy if you will.

About now,Bush would have said..Wilson betrayed our country. He was formerly the Ambassador to Iraq, a trusted diplomat. His wife a top secret CIA agent and lauded him to the hilt as trusted American. However, in short order his tone would change...to calling Wilson a betrayer of his country, a *TRAITOR*. Bush's speech would have directed anyone's anger over the War directly at Wilson. By the time Bush got through with his press briefing, Wilson would have replaced him, as the most hated man in the world.

Bush, (as he is still doing today,) is blaming bad CIA intelligence.

Watching Bush speak today, there was something missing from his spiel. Something that just rang hollow..The speech was the same ole..

I noticed he was practically turning himself inside out literally, laying over the top of the podium trying to convince his audience he was telling the Truth...what I saw lacking from his speech that would have been the lock on his speech... is PROOF!

What better PROOF could he have had if he could've pointed to Joe Wilson? And the big Plus, Joe's wife had been outed as a CIA operative. (Outing Valerie had been planned all along. The only question was when?..)

The *twofer* strikes again..Two birds with one stone.

Bush would have produced, as evidence *against* Wilson, his original report stating there were NO sales of yellow cake to Iraq. Against a document most likely forged (supposedly from Wilson) the report he used as the centerpiece for the SOTU Address, stating there was good
reason to believe yellow cake *was sold* to Iraq. (If those 16 words had gone openly Undisputed by Wilson. Bush had successfully set the TRAP..

I don't know if anyone remembers Clinton saying, Bush has no exit strategy to get out of Iraq. He said it several times months after the war began..The truth is Bush didn't want or need one. He had Wilson. The trap was set...now to reveal him as a full fledged Traitor.

Today as Bush was giving his speech he would have been pointing to Wilson as the Traitor responsible for the BAD intelligence that forced him to attack Iraq. And absolved himself completely of being responsible for the death and destruction that has followed because of the war.

(if you know anything about the story of Benedict Arnold) read the link if you don't.

By now, Wilson would be on the front pages of every newspaper in the World as the biggest Traitor to this country since the conspiracist, traitor, Benedict Arnold. And we'd all be starting threads waiting for news of a trial date. Bush didn't need or want and exit strategy for Iraq...We wanted and needed (and still needs)a fall guy to blame for the War.

The reason for the level of difficulty in putting this puzzle together is because the assumptions are wrong. Wilson changed the dynamics of the puzzle by going public..Bush never counted on Wilson writing a book either as testament to his Truth.

What if Wilson never said a word after the State of the Union Address? What if he never corrected the 16 words used to reinforce Bush's desperation to go to War? (silence is compliance)

When you revert back to the way the Bush familia planned this in the first place, then it all makes sense... The original vendetta against Wilson goes back before the 00'election. The key to this whole affair (to me) was when Wilson refused to donate to BushII's campaign...

That was when they were sure Wilson could no longer be trusted and declared him a traitor (to their camp) Wilson stated he was supporting Gore in 00 for president.. The Bushes are a vindictive bunch so they crafted a plan to make him pay, pay dearly for Wilson's betrayal by using him as the excuse for the mistake of the preemptive strike on Iraq.

They made sure to present the right opportunity to Plame, like bait on a hook, they'd slip Wilson's head into the noose.

Perfect...now Bush is off the hook!

(at least this is my take on it..)

[Tellurian]

283. Here is the pic of Bush I was referring to in my post..

This was Bush, laying all over the podium, hammering his point home to the audience..

[coeur_de_lion]

33. I didn't get this from the panel's report, did anybody else?

snip
"The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address. Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said."

"The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional."
snip

This is how they are going to try and discredit Plame and Wilson. AND, this is how they are going to say that outing Plame was not really a crime, because it was not their intention to expose her, it was only their intention to refute Wilson's claim. Now they are saying that Wilson's report did nothing to refute their supposition that Iraq tried to by yellowcake uranium. They are still insisting that Iraq did try to develop WMD.

[Tellurian]

35. We have to look at who asked Wilson to go to Niger..and more in that

direction. Now that we're pretty sure where this thing is going.
Because now, their goal is to drag Wilson back into the fray because that was the plan all along.

I can continue with this later...errands, drat!

You're on it arbustochupa...stick with it..

I'll ck in later..

We've got to SAVE Joe and Valerie...

[shraby]

175. One account says the CIA sent

Wilson to check on the yellowcake and one says the administration and one says Cheney. Take yer pick.

[spotbird]

36. That may be a lame sort of defense

but it is a long shot, it doesn't avoid the indictment.

This is how they are going to try and discredit Plame and Wilson. AND, this is how they are going to say that outing Plame was not really a crime, because it was not their intention to expose her, it was only their intention to refute Wilson's claim.

If the only way they could discredit Wilson was to out Plame there was still the leak of highly classified information by someone with a duty to remain silent on the matter. They can defend them self with this sorry excuse, but if there is a real jury it won't fly.

All of this is moot anyway since there will be immediate pardons if there are indictments.

[coeur_de_lion]

38. I hope you are right about some things, and wrong about others

"They can defend them self with this sorry excuse, but if there is a real jury it won't fly."

Hope this is true. Like, "nice try, W."

". . . there will be immediate pardons if there are indictments."

I'm not knowledgeable enough to say that this will or won't happen, but I certainly hope this is not the case.

Care to comment, H2O?

[H2O Man]

45. Very interesting....

We are again looking at a growing conflict, and seeing the potential for a constitutional crisis that threatens the fabric of our national government. At risk of boring people with a constant repetition: our democracy depends upon a healthy separation & balance of powers. What are we seeing right now -- today -- happening in each of the three powers?

The executive branch has taken on a revolutionary form of powers, which is scarey in ANY context. But when it has a corrupt foundation, with no respect for the rule of law, no sense of honor for the separate powers (the congress and the courts), no regard for the Constitution, no consideration of the horror that their policies creates for human beings such as the families of the dead US soldiers or the innocent victims of this immoral war in Iraq ..... where will they stop?

We need people to become organized to not only vote bush out of office in November, but to replace the spineless whores in the congress that are allowing this to happen. We need to make sure that the courts are not filled by people who have no sense of decency,and no respect for the law.

Not "if" -- but WHEN this administration reacts to having its back up against the wall .... how far will they go? And who will dare to struggle against the beast? Good questions ..... and while none of us have the answers for sure ..... but from early on .... on the first page of this discussion .... I said that I believe we are going into a constitutional crisis ..... and that we might see the door closed on the form of government that the "founding fathers" envisioned.

[coeur_de_lion]

53. Good God. n/t

[frank frankly]

56. they won't stop until they are stopped. and our media are high schoolers.

I just read Suskind's book. It reads like a slow unfolding nightmare. Honestly. A nightmare.

It is easy and, I believe, appropriate to compare Cheney to Sauron or Hitler or whatever creature fits your particular imagination. He is a man with no heart and he is dying. He wants to take us all with him. Cheney is completely in charge, although he lets Bush think he is in charge.

Back to things relevant to this thread's topic. It has seemed for a long time now that when we hear about the Office of Special Plans on the TV news, then BushCo is done. I think we may be nearing that point.

By laying the illegal invasion and occupation on the CIA, by sending out Republican Senators to slap the CIA, by unleashing RW Radio against the CIA, by who knows what other acts, it is clear that BushCo has declared war on the CIA. Will the CIA take it?

Maybe it would be helpful to examine what is the CIA?

[frank frankly]

57. article almost mentioning OSP in today's NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/politics/10ASSE.html?...

July 10, 2004
NEWS ANALYSIS
Senate Report Does Little to Still Debate on C.I.A.'s Prewar Data
By DAVID JOHNSTON

WASHINGTON, July 9 — Although the Senate Intelligence Committee found no evidence that the Bush administration had tried to coerce the C.I.A. to produce exaggerated prewar warnings about Iraq's weapons programs, its findings did little to still the furious debate about whether the White House and the Pentagon tried to influence the agency's conclusions.

The White House took comfort in the committee's report on Friday, but it was clear from the arguments still raging across Washington that the administration's dealings with the Central Intelligence Agency will remain a politically volatile issue through the election campaign.

<snip>

Democrats also noted that the formation of a special intelligence unit at the Pentagon by the Bush administration to review ties between Iraq and terror groups served notice on the C.I.A. that powerful corners of the administration were ready to challenge agency assessments. Frequent visits to the agency by Vice President Dick Cheney, they said, also were a form of pressure, a view the Senate committee rejected.

[Occulus]

71. From the reading I've done

both here and elsewhere, I've come away with two very simple rules for any sitting President:

1. Thou shalt not screw with the CIA.
2. Thou shalt not break rule #1.

The CIA knows, beyond a doubt, where all the bodies are buried- figuratively as well as literally. Given Poppy's CIA connections, you'd think Junior would have picked up on that at some point.

Maybe he skipped class that day.

[Pallas180]

147. Rockefeller as much as said", there was an illegal spy agency set up"

he didn;t name it, but he said it.

[johnfunk]

239. It was the Office of Special Plans

... or, as liberal wags in the Beltway xcall it, "Feith-based Intelligence."

[Occulus]

70. Do you see any sort of

revocation of the Constitution in the near or semi-near future, H2O?

I was going to PM you that question late last night, but now you've gone and brought it up for me :)

Is the nightmare about to become reality, do you think?

[H2O Man]

90. I thought that the 2000 election was as

vicious of an attack on the Constitution of the United States as anything in our nation's history. Think about it: in the year 2000, thousands of people in Florida could be disenfranchised for one reason -- they were black. And black folks from Florida are known to vote for democratic candidates.

If el Sadr or any other of the super demonic enemies who hate us 'cause we love freedom had denied thousands of republican voters their rights, why the people in the senate would be doing cartwheels in the streets, demanding action. Look at Michael Moore's movie .... look at the most respected of the black leaders in the House asking for their help.... and those senators sitting mute as a bump on a log. Good Lord that upsets me. Do you remember in his classic book "Nigger," when Dick Gregory spoke about (pg 205) "So it's coming down to this. You have to commit. You're going through the same thing today that the folks went through when the Lord was crucified.

'Who else is with Christ?' the Romans asked.

And everybody just stood there. And prayed silently. And then went back and said:'I prayed.'

No, sister, I didn't even see your lips moving."

That's what came to my mind when I saw that scene in that movie. Those people in the senate denied the Constitution, and betrayed those thousands of black voters.

And as Vince Bugliosi pointed out, the Supreme Court disenfranchised all of those people who did vote for Gore .... and that was the majority of voters in this country who participated on election night.

So if they can steal the right to vote from 50,000 black voters, and the senate lacks the spine to stick up for them, you can be damned sure the Supreme Court will steal from 50,000,000 Americans without conscience. And it happened.

And that means that -- at very best -- we can reclaim democracy, we can resuscitate the Constitution, and we can demand that the separation and balance of powers work. But we can be sure that those who have stolen our most valuable national treasures will put up a fight.

[KoKo]

192. They will lie, cheat, steal and murder to win an election, now. We can

see evidence of this. They impeached a President after that, there was no stopping them.

We just didn't know during the recount that our Government was as sick as it was. Most of us who really cared were glued to our TV screens day after day, thinking at each step Gore and the Constitution and our Court system would prevail. We were believers in America of Laws and Justice.

Even those of us who were familiar with "the hunting of the President-Clinton" still thought that our Laws would hold, that "honor among politicians would overcome the situation--a "gentlemen's agreement, if you will."

We rejoiced when the Florida Supreme Court allowed the recount to go forward but then...as we watched it all implode when Baker (the Bush Godfather) took it with Ted Olson to the Supremes...we started to worry and when the Sumpremes voted to stop the recount we didn't know what the hell to do! It was close to Christmas, most of us were trying to deal with family things while we watched all this unfold...we believed until the very end...and then there was nothing we could do after the Supreme Court acted.

We didn't know that we should take to the streets. We thought goodness and honor would prevail. I can't blame any of us for not knowing what to do. We just didn't know what we were up against.

Now, even when we know and take to the streets the police are there and our rights are being taken away in favor of those who are silent.

My personal example was this week protesting Bush when he came to a fund raiser in Raleigh, NC. Those of us who were protestors were kept behind a barricade. Those who supported Bush were free to stand where they wanted. This is what's happening. I wonder if we had taken to the streets in Florida if we could have countered the "paid operatives" there. Maybe we could...maybe they already were in power, we just didn't know it. :shrug:

[Pallas180]

195. KoKo, so well put. And exactly the situation at the time. But

we know better now. And we should start to organize and be ready
to be in the streets, if what we think is going to happen is going to
happen.

"We didn't know that we should take to the streets. We thought goodness and honor would prevail. I can't blame any of us for not knowing what to do. We just didn't know what we were up against."

[Occulus]

247. Add to all that

the fact that, basically, our executive, legislative, and judicial bodies are all controlled by one party, and I think I have the answer to my question.

I've always thought that having one single party in control of all branches was a recipie for disaster, be it either the Dems or the Pubs. I'm sadly being proven more and more correct each day.

example: note the the second half of the report, the part discussing the ways the Bush* admin used the CIA intel in its rush to war, is apparently going to be delayed until after November.

Telling. Very telling.

[Pallas180]

148. KGNFALLY - it has been being revoked piece by piece, "1st

Amendment Zones"...when you want to have a rally, police set up
areas where you are allowed to walk and talk....step out of the
"area" and you are going to get pepper sprayed, hit , or rubber bulleted.

It happened here in Florida.

And it was set up for that in Savannah.

[Occulus]

250. How many people

are typically held in these pens?

What would happen if they all went collectively (in)sane and stormed the gates of such pens?

[Jazzgirl]

89. H2O Man, I have been following much of these threads.

I am so afraid you are correct about the potential constitutional crisis we're facing. These guys are scary and need to go down but at least they need to go! There is no telling what they'll do if they think they're threatened. I know a lot of people who are afraid of that.

These threads have been so interesting. I will be following them (and saving them as well) to see how it all comes out.

Jazzgirl

[Pallas180]

149. Jazzgirl sweety, "See how it all comes out?" Youre living here,

what are you going to do as it happens?

what are you doing now as it happens?

What are you going to do as the police state becomes reality piece by piece?

what will you do about no more voting?

think now what you will do....it is happening now.

[Pallas180]

194. H20, forget about the courts, Rethugs have gotten 160 Federal

Judge openings filled with conservative right wing hanging judges who
will not interpret the law , but set precedent in law, changing our
rules.

The dems were only able to hold out the worst, and then dimson made
appointments on vacation , bypassing the dems, of a couple of the worst.

[lanparty]

117. PLEASE, PLEASE issue pardons before the election ...

That will sink Bush for certain.

I don't think we'll see indictments though. I think the carefully planned this "special prosecutor". He is NOT indpendent. He role is to conduct an investigation that appears to be legitamite.

[shraby]

127. If you've read the earlier threads,

we've come to the conclusion that the prosecutor (Fitzgerald) is on the up and up and going for blood.

[hedda_foil]

37. BINGO!

Tellurian, your second "Wilson" document seems to have surfaced right here.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts.

I'm getting a strong vibe from today's thread that Wilson and Plame were being set up as the next Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Again, two birds with one stone. Get rid of Plame's apparent evidence of nuclear treason and blame Wilson and Plame for everything.

BTW, does anyone else think that the IAEA-linked senior diplomatic source (for the US company implicated in nuclear proliferation) is El Baradei himself?

These two points are guesswork, of course, but they may be reasonable hypotheses to prove/disprove as we continue our analysis.

[Tellurian]

73. You are absolutely right, hedda_foil..

In order to find a provable motive necessary for Wilson's defense, the time line has to rotate backwards. We have to know who contacted Wilson to suggest he go to Niger. That is the starting point, imo, and work backwards from there. I haven't seen a name mentioned anywhere as contacting Wilson, just an administration official. If someone can provide that bit of information...whoa!

I don't see a Constitutional crisis looming in the distance, but I do see a Rosenburg case scenario developing, as you suggested...

I agree, the somewhat conflicting prospectives put out by the WP are odd. It seems to me they are floating a broad spectrum analysis to:

....expand the playing field, now that Bush has a private attorney on the payroll. Attorneys like to focus a case within time-lines. So, that is what the WP job is right now. Broadening the playing field to give Bush and his team of attorneys wiggle room.

....ramping up the accusations against Wilson and Val and creating an aura of uncertainty surrounding their credibility..

I hope Joe is on this right away. The Bush defense team have had several weeks to weave a web of defense. Joe needs to get ahead of the curve and counter their attack points right away...or, hope for another fireball to hit with another scandal to buy some time.

[starroute]

81. Talking Points Memo on why Wilson was sent to Niger

This was posted just over a year ago:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_07_06.php#000999

The most interesting bit of reporting I've seen today on the White House's concession about the fraudulence of the Niger-uranium documents comes at the tail end of a wire story from Reuters ...

A U.S. intelligence official said Wilson was sent to investigate the Niger reports by mid-level CIA officers, not by top-level Bush administration officials. There is no record of his report being flagged to top level officials, the intelligence official said.

The message here seems pretty clear: Joseph who? Wilson, this 'intelligence official' is saying, is some small-time operator who got sent to Niger by some mid-level functionaries at the CIA. All the people who counted had no idea he'd even gone on his trip. And they certainly didn't know about his vaunted report.

Now, I wouldn't be being very straight with you if I didn't start by saying that I don't find this claim particularly credible. But could this be true?


Josh Marshall goes on to say that Wilson was sent out by the CIA because of a request from the vice-president's office that doubts about the Niger uranium claims be looked into. And he suggests that the administration was hearing from several sources that the story was weak and really wanted something to back it up.


On edit: An interesting tidbit from a slightly later TPM of last September:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_09_28.php#001985

Another point. {Cliff} May hits again on the theme that Wilson is some sort of Bush-Bashing fanatic who can't be trusted. To this I would only ask, if Wilson is such a left-wing freak, why does the president's father think so highly of him?

I'd really, *really* love to know what Bush Sr.'s role is in all of this.

[Tellurian]

84. starroute...yes, now we're going in the right direction...Cheney's office.

Do notice how they are trying to trivialize Wilson and the significance of his trip to Niger...Yes, it all fits. And Cheney is where Plame comes in...Cheney got a whiff his beloved Hallibuton was under scrutiny maybe by Plame and/or her contacts...This is where the 'two birds with one stone comes in'...

Blame Joe Wilson for bad intel and brand him a traitor and out his wife at the same time..Unfortunately, everyone forgot about the consequences for outing a CIA agent...I don't think it's ever been done before...Theoretically, they slipped up on a big, bad, banana peel..Otherwise, their plans would have gone smoothly without a hitch and they'd be home free..

The graph from your link is pointing the way to the setup:

"Josh Marshall goes on to say that Wilson was sent out by the CIA because of a request from the vice-president's office that the claims be looked into. And he suggests that the administration was hearing from several sources that the story was weak and really wanted something to back it up."

thanks, starroute...

[starroute]

145. More on what became of Wilson's Niger uranium info

http://www.africanconflict.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=665

This is an article which quotes from a New York Times piece of a year ago by Nicholas D. Kristof. Here is part of that quote:

"Officials now say that the CIA inexplicably did not report back to the White House with {Wilson's} findings and reasoning, or with an assessment of its own that the information was false. I hear something different. My understanding is that while George Tenet, the CIA director, may not have told Bush that the Niger documents were forged, lower CIA officials did tell both the vice president's office and National Security Council staff members. Moreover, I hear from another source that the CIA's operations side and its counterterrorism center undertook their own investigations of the documents, poking around in Italy and Africa, and also concluded that they were false - a judgment that filtered to the top of the CIA.

"Meanwhile, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, independently came to the exact same conclusion about those documents, according to Greg Thielmann, a former official there. Thielmann said he was 'quite confident' that the conclusion had been passed up to the top of the State Department.

" 'It was well known throughout the intelligence community that it was a forgery,' said Melvin Goodman, a former CIA analyst."

[Pallas180]

150. Of course, El Baradei himself Hedda. Exactly what I got immediately - you

can't fool intuitive women :)

it was obvious to me as to you.

[Pallas180]

140. That's ridiculous. Tenet took the 16 words out of the speech

in October, and there is testimony someone, no one knows who of course, put the 16 words back in for his State of the Union speech.

I listened to the testimony before Congress.

Is that in the Intel report just released?

It can;t be.

Is that the Washington Post report?

<"The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.>

[TacticalPeek]

214. Some of these jokers will be explaining the fine points of "intent"

over morning mush in a federal pen.

[librechik]

230. be careful--that article was penned by Steno Sue

so keep in mind it's 100% Cheney spin that she's quoting.

[salin]

42. HELP please

I have just come off one of the busiest three weeks of my life ... have barely gotten to the news (let alone DU) - after following all of these stories closely for what feels like years... I have no clue what is going on- and only have a few minutes to try to catch up.

Is something about to happen (or has it happened) which has spurred these threads/conversations?

Can anyone recap any major developments in the past couple of weeks? I would be greatly appreciative - and will save the other threads and try to read them late tonight - but would really love a quick summary per events if things have happened (have indictments been handed down? are they about to be handed down?)

Help! Thanks!

[spotbird]

52. Nothing new has happened.

These threads are mostly about putting the pieces of the * administration's motives for outing Plame together. There is hopeful speculation that indictments are pending based on the behavior of the actors, but nothing concrete.

The best news today, as far as I can tell, is that the Washington Post ran a piece trashing Wilson. It looks like they are going to try hard to distract from the real issue of the crime. That may mean somethings up, or it may not.

[salin]

54. ah... thanks

felt like I had missed something big... Like the time I had been working at a camp for part of the summer... and suddenly heard (way after the fact) that there had been a coup in Iran and the Shah had been deposed. But I was a kid then, and just found that I didn't know a bit odd. Now I am a news hound who is displaced from my addiction... thanks.

[Pallas180]

241. SALIN, couple of years ago we did 100's of posts on CARLYLE -can

you find those threads? do you remember the title? I'm pretty sure
it was in 2003.

If you can find it maybe Beam Me Up can squish it . As this point
since all fingers point to Carlyle having taken over the country and
the world with their NEW WORLD ORDER, that thread could be very important.

[calimary]

161. Besides the point that I've seen raised here (on DU) before - about Susan

Schmidt, the writer of that WaPo report. I personally have not tracked as many of her stories and their underlying agendas or biases, but others here have mentioned that Susan Schmidt is not what you'd call an unbiased writer. Apparently others here have noticed that many of her articles are written in a pro-bush slant. Similar to what folks around here point out about the NYTimes' Adam Nagourney. Most of what he writes will slant something unfavorably about the Democrats. Like, for example, when bush is slumping in the polls, he's bound to come out with a couple of sentences in or near the lead that question why Kerry's not doing better (or some other form of republi-CON talking point). Susan Schmidt apparently operates along the same lines.

[tblue37]

229. Josh Marshall calls Susan Schmidt a "Mikey"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com

Susan Schmidt is known, happily among DC Republicans and not so happily among DC Democrats, as what you might call the "Mikey" (a la Life Cereal fame) of the DC press corps, especially when the cereal is coming from Republican staffers.

He pretty effectively debunks her "analysis" in The Washington Post.

[iconoclastic cat]

48. Kick

Verrrrrry iiiiiinteresting....

[KoKo]

59. Please check out these two versions of Plame in Senate Intell Report!

Here are two (seemingly to me, anyway) different reports of the conclusions about Wilson/Plame/Yellow cake from the Washington Post.

Note that Sue Schmidt gets her own article but is listed as a "contributor" to the other article by Dana Priest and Walter Pincus.

I think this is very important but now sure what to pull out of it. I know Schmit's report is pure disinformation but why would WaPo put two seemingly different views of a Senate Report out on the same day? :shrug: Isn't it a little obvious that they are "playing both sides?"
Unfortunately you have to read both articles in WaPo to get what I'm talking about, because I gave snips.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role

By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A09

Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.

SNIP

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.

Plame's role could be significant in an ongoing investigation into whether a crime was committed when her name and employment were disclosed to reporters last summer.

Administration officials told columnist Robert D. Novak then that Wilson, a partisan critic of Bush's foreign policy, was sent to Niger at the suggestion of Plame, who worked in the nonproliferation unit at CIA. The disclosure of Plame's identity, which was classified, led to an investigation into who leaked her name.

The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.

(Much more of this Spin to trash Joe Wilson)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-20...


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(This article is in the same edition of WaPo and it lists "Steno Sue" as one of the contributors, but seems to contradict what "Steno" wrote in her article in the same paper! )
washingtonpost.com

Panel Condemns Iraq Prewar Intelligence
Senate Report Faults 2002 Estimate Sent To Hill, Accuses the CIA of 'Group-Think'

By Dana Priest and Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A01

Staff writers Barton Gellman, R. Jeffrey Smith, Dan Eggen, Susan Schmidt and Walter Pincus, and research editor Margot Williams contributed to this report.

© 2004 The Washington Post Company
The committee also concluded that the CIA overstated what it knew about Iraq's attempts to procure uranium in the African nation of Niger, and that it delayed for months examining documents that would prove to be forgeries, resulting in reports to policymakers that were "inconsistent and at times contradictory." No one at the CIA told the National Security Council of concerns about the credibility of the Niger intelligence as President Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech was drafted, contrary to officials' previous assertions, the report said.

In evaluating the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, the committee blamed intelligence leaders who "did not encourage analysts to challenge their assumptions, fully consider alternative arguments, accurately characterize the intelligence reporting, or counsel analysts who lost their objectivity."

Senate aides, who conducted hundreds of interviews with intelligence officials throughout the government as well as with United Nations weapons inspectors and others, said they found no evidence that junior or senior officials knowingly distorted or withheld information to make a particular case. Nor did they find evidence of undue political pressure by policymakers. But they did conclude that contradictory information was often ignored or dismissed.

[Pallas180]

154. Rethugs covering up for NSC-Condoleeza who innocently said

no one told me, nothing was sent to my office, but there was
testimony and some memo/document that Wilson's report was sent to
her office, and she said she never saw it, neve read it, and her
aide hadn't read it either.

Now, are my ears and eyes deceiving me? Doesn't anybody else remember
that in her testimony ?

[frank frankly]

61. Atrios' post on the story and a good comments thread on the haloscan.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

US Joins Axis of Evil

Posted by pie
Say it isn't so


VIENNA, Austria - An investigation of the black market supplying nations wanting nuclear arms has spread to more than 20 firms — some of them North American — the chief of the U.N. atomic agency told The Associated Press Friday. A senior diplomat identified one of the firms as U.S. based.

...

The diplomat said at least one of them was in the United States. He declined to elaborate, saying the agency "was not yet at the bottom of that story." But he said what is known about that company sheds new light on the activities of the network, known up to now for primarily supplying technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran as part of the process allowing them to make enriched uranium that can be used either to generate electricity or make weapons.


What will we tell the children? (Okay, which company is it?)

[shraby]

66. If I remember right, the Italians

notified the administration that the Nigerian documents were a forgery...but I don't remember in what time frame.

[shraby]

68. Democrats want uranium claim probed

This from a July 9, 2003 article:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democrats are calling for an investigation into President Bush's assertion in his State of the Union address that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Africa -- a claim the White House has since admitted was erroneous.

An administration official said Bush would not have included the reference in his speech January 28 had his advisers known it was false.

But other U.S. officials said the White House had a report from a former U.S. ambassador a year before the speech that the intelligence was bogus.

Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, said the latest White House statements "only reinforce the importance of an inquiry into why the information about the bogus uranium sales didn't reach the policymakers during 2002.

(more)

<http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/sprj.irq.bush.sotu/>

[shraby]

69. Who forged the uranium documents that bamboozled the U.S.?

A chronology. From July 14,2003
Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet took a bullet for the president last week, accepting responsibility for the now-discredited "16 words" in Bush's January State of the Union address about Iraq's efforts to purchase uranium in Africa.

"These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," Tenet said in a statement Friday.

Tenet's gallantry, however, does little to answer the question first raised in early March when inspectors at the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency judged fake a mysterious set of documents Bush had relied on to buttress his claim about Iraq's nuclear ambitions. Press speculation has fingered Iraqi dissidents as the group who had the most to gain in alleging Saddam's uranium shopping spree. The paper trail behind the documents has led to: a "con man" out to make money; Italian intelligence; and "the French." Some publications even suggest the United States, Britain, or other interested powers forged the uranium letters.

(more)
<http://slate.msn.com/id/2085616>

[shraby]

75. Year 2002 Bush statements

Bush administration officials lead increasingly strong verbal and diplomatic attacks on Iraq, claiming that they have evidence Iraq is intimately tied into terrorist activities, Iraq is "weeks or months" away from developing nuclear weapons that can strike the continental US, and Iraq has "large, threatening" stores of biological and chemical weapons. None of the claims can be verified; much of the evidence presented by the administration was proven to be false and/or falsified. (Example: the Bush administration alleged that Iraq was attempting to purchase material from Niger that would allow them to build a nuclear weapon. In the words of the New York Times, the documentation provided by Bush officials were "clumsy forgeries." By February, the CIA and State Department are informed by their own investigators that the documents are worthless; nevertheless, Bush officials continue to present the documentation to the world as "proof" that Iraq was building a nuclear weapon.) Patrick Lang, a former head of Middle Eastern affairs in the Defense Intelligence Agency, has said that when experts wrote reports that were skeptical about Iraq's W.M.D., "they were encouraged to think it over again." Two senators involved in the investigation of the evidence state specifically that "evidence was manipulated" by the administration to give a false impression of Iraq's nonexistent "nuclear weapons program." (Truthout, FactMonster, New York Times/Global Policy Forum)

(more, much more)
<http://www.iraqtimeline.com/2002.html>

[Tellurian]

82. The movie Control Room concurs with the Senators assessments...

IOW...The Bush Adminstration...<gasp> "LIED" and misled the public.

[Tellurian]

79. I have a link to the documents if you want to go hunting, shraby

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4166.htm

[calimary]

162. Who forged 'em? Mike Ruppert at From the Wilderness hypothesizes

that it was a sting operation by some CIA people, aimed at getting back at bush for blaming them for nearly everything.

I think the article is called "Coup d'Etat."

[Tellurian]

78. Good play...they have to keep hammering that point home...

Good, Joe has the Demos helping fight this fight.

he has to know, he only has one bite at the apple on this one..
otherwise, he is lost...

[Jose Diablo]

234. Who forged them...

Scraby's question:

"Who forged the uranium documents that bamboozled the U.S.?"

Can be answered when the notes from Cheney's energy meetings in Feb '01 are made public.

[Pallas180]

156. Halliburton, who else?

:kick:

[hedda_foil]

87. Another dot to connect

Sybell Edmonds was a guest on This is Hell this morning. Among the new (to me at least) points of interest that she dropped were:

1. When she speaks of "semi-legit organizations" that Ashcroft is covering up she is not necessarily speaking of foreign governments or even charitable organizations. She specifically said that businesses are included ... with the clear implication that she was talking about at least one BIG company.

2. She dropped the word "nuclear" in discussing the kind of activities she had found out about which the administration is covering up. As far as I know, her previous statements had included drugs, weapons and megabucks, but she hasn't mentioned nuclear components before.

3. She said that the following government departments are implicated:
- Justice
- FBI
- State

4. She stated that MANY top members of this administration will eventually be charged and convicted, some for the crime, some for the coverup. In the context which she spoke, there was the clear implication that she was speaking of cabinet members, at the least.

This fits in with the theory of the Plame Case that we're building.

Edited to add a clarification.

[Tellurian]

88. Excellent...HF.. Good Catch!

A prosecutor has to subpeona Edmonds and demand the court lift the gag order placed on her by the JD...and use the same reason as they do to sequester evidence...An issue of National Security is at stake.

It sounds like she's heading towards Halliburton..
That lady better have good security.
Her life isn't worth a plugged nickel if they can get at her.

Wilson, better see to that..

it would be in his best interests.

[shraby]

91. Josh Marshall today

Susan Schmidt is known, happily among DC Republicans and not so happily among DC Democrats, as what you might call the "Mikey" (a la Life Cereal fame) of the DC press corps, especially when the cereal is coming from Republican staffers.

This morning she has an article on the Senate intel report and Joe Wilson, specifically focusing on the relevance of Wilson's reporting on Niger (the report says analysts did not see Wilson's findings as weakening claims that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium from Niger) and his wife's role in recommending him for the assignment.

We'll discuss the broader issues of Plame's role in Wilson's assignment and the underlying question of the alleged Iraq-Niger negotiations. A clearer-eyed take on Wilson and report can be found here in this story by Knight Ridder. But for now a few points on Schmidt's treatment.

In her fourth paragraph Schmidt writes that "contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."

(more)

<http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/>

He's got her tagged.

[coeur_de_lion]

93. Excellent. n/t

[johnfunk]

106. Josh Marshall drops the big one on Steno Sue...

I dare someone to post his points, one by one, over in FReeperville. Their little heads will explode!!

[Beetwasher]

138. Holy Shit! He Whole Article is RIDDLED W/ Bullshit!

How can the Post print such fucking garbage?! I shouldn't be shocked, yet I am...Disgraceful!

[calimary]

164. Aha! Susan Schmidt - outed.

[qanda]

95. I have a question that may seem out of place here

I have spent the entire day reading through all of the previous posts and I must say that I am impressed with the people who are involved in posting to these threads.

I do have one question about something that I haven't seen covered as much and that is our financial situation. The money to cover the deficit is borrowed from foreign nations and doesn't that put our country in a dangerous position should a crisis occur in our leadership? I don't know if this means anything, but it would be nice if some of the very bright people on this board would comment.

[H2O Man]

99. Good question ....

I think that Michael Moore hinted at this when he talked about how the Saudis have such a vested interest in our economy. Thanks, bush & friends, for selling us out.

[tableturner]

131. Outing Plame WAS their intention....

".....this is how they are going to say that outing Plame was not really a crime, because it was not their intention to expose her, it was only their intention to refute Wilson's claim."

The perpetrators whose names have been tossed around were at a level to have known of her covert nature. Thus, if they knew that, then it WAS their intention to expose her as a covert operative, even IF they did so by using that exposure as a means to discredit Wilson. They may not have outed her to destroy her mission (I'm going along with their story for now), but in an effort to discredit her husband, they still knowingly outed her, and they knowingly outed her as a covert CIA operative.

So no matter whether purposely outing a covert operative is done in an effort to a)hurt the agent; b)hurt the country; c)hurt her husband; d)hurt another country; e)hurt a business; no matter WHAT the desired end result, even if it is done in an effort to get a free piece of candy, they are STILL KNOWINGLY outing a covert agent.

So it would not be against the law to purposely expose that a person is a covert CIA agent if the reason for the purposeful exposure were to hurt her husband and not the country? Wrong! The only way such actions could avoid being illegal were if they did not know she was covert, they in effect thought that it was not a secret that she worked for the CIA, and thus they unintentionally outed her as a covert agent, NOT KNOWING SHE WAS COVERT. They may have done it not in an effort to hurt the country, but they DID do it with the knowledge that it still would, in a de facto manner, hurt the country, a loss lamentably necessary (in their minds, at least) to get the job done. Why is that not illegal?

If they knew she was covert and exposed her (and Novak's own words in the article show that, as should the rank of the perpetrators), no matter what the reason, they are guilty of a crime.

[H2O Man]

155. From Dean's review of Wilson's book:

"Two days after Wilson's Op-Ed article, a friend of his had a chance encounter with journalist Robert Novak on the street in Washington. Wilson's friend asked Novak what he thought of the uranium controversy and Wilson. Novak responded to this total stranger,'Wilson's an {expletive deleted}. The CIA sent him. His wife Valerie works for the CIA. She's a weapons of mass destruction specialist. She sent him.' Upon learning of Novak's gossip, Wilson tried to stop Novak from spreading it. But on Monday, July 14, 2003, Novak's column contained the leak revealing Valerie Plame's covert CIA identity (sourced to two senior administration officials). It was an obvious effort to discredit Wilson's report, and, Wilson believes, a you-hurt-us-we-will-hurt-you warning to others."

Note: Novak told a total stranger that Plame was a WMD "specialist."

[kohodog]

104. "There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in"

__Leonard Cohen.

I'm listening to to the song (Anthem) while reading this and getting goose bumps!

"While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud,
But they've summoned ,they've summoned up a thunder cloud,
The're going to hear from me..."

I think we're on to a crack in their game and it's about to be exposed.

[demgrrrll]

108. Josh Marshall just posted something new on this issue

<http://talkingpointsmemo.com/> Interesting how they walled off investigating how and when the document was forged and started the timeline from when the document was received.

[Rose Siding]

110. And the promise of more...

he ends with...

"Britain is a more complicated case that we'll address later."

[starroute]

109. The other bogus Iraqi intelligence documents

I just found this Wayne Madsen piece from last fall. I hadn't previously been aware of the story at all. Is anyone else familiar with it? Is it related to the continuing British claim to have other evidence of Iraq seeking uranium in Africa? (DRC is Democratic Republic of the Congo.)

http://www.inshuti.org/madsen3.htm

... the same Office of Special Plans elements within the Pentagon and their State Department allies attempted to produce another set of false documents, according to well-placed US intelligence sources speaking on the condition of anonymity. In July 2002, documents on CIA letterhead were "discovered" in a Nairobi hotel room. They described attempts by Mai Mai guerrillas in Bukavu in the DRC to negotiate the sale of uranium to Saddam Hussein's government. The discovery of the documents in Nairobi came after Wilson, CIA weapons of mass destruction experts -- including Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame Wilson -- and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research concluded that there was no evidence to support the allegation that Iraq was shopping for nuclear materials in Africa -- a charge later leveled by President Bush in his January 2003 State of the Union address.

The "discovery" of the CIA documents -- clearly forgeries like the Niger documents -- were leaked to the press, including Le Soir in Belgium. Their leak was followed by the release of a British government dossier describing Iraq's attempts to obtain uranium in Africa. The DRC government later produced photocopies of original false Bukavu documents -- on which the bogus CIA documents were based -- offering Iraq (or any other high bidder) 9 kilograms of "superior quality" uranium from Mai Mai units in the eastern DRC. U.S. intelligence sources maintain that the Nairobi and Bukavu documents were crude forgeries produced after then-Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Walter Kansteiner III met with Rwandan President Paul Kagame in Kigali on January 15, 2002. The plan was to blame the DRC for providing uranium to Iraq in an attempt to destabilize Kabila and justify the continued presence of Rwandan troops in eastern DRC. Iraq's complicity in obtaining uranium in DRC would then be bolstered by the Niger "evidence" lending credence to Saddam's nuclear "ambitions."

[Tellurian]

119. Good Find...starroute

"The "discovery" of the CIA documents -- clearly forgeries like the Niger documents -- were leaked to the press, including Le Soir in Belgium. Their leak was followed by the release of a British government dossier describing Iraq's attempts to obtain uranium in Africa. The DRC government later produced photocopies of original false Bukavu documents -- on which the bogus CIA documents were based -- offering Iraq (or any other high bidder) 9 kilograms of "superior quality" uranium from Mai Mai units in the eastern DRC.

U.S. intelligence sources maintain that the Nairobi and Bukavu documents were crude forgeries produced after then-Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Walter Kansteiner III met with Rwandan President Paul Kagame in Kigali on January 15, 2002. The plan was to blame the DRC for providing uranium to Iraq in an attempt to destabilize Kabila and justify the continued presence of Rwandan troops in eastern DRC. Iraq's complicity in obtaining uranium in DRC would then be bolstered by the Niger "evidence" lending credence to Saddam's nuclear "ambitions."

This is exactly the direction Wilson has to go to show the "motive"(of the Bush Gang) to prove his points of conspiracy.. I'm afraid, Joe is in for the long haul. There are short cuts...but I'll leave that up to him.

[Pallas180]

112. EVERYBODY- GO READ POST # 111 this whole thing is worst than you can imag

ine.

[shraby]

132. The Senate Report (New York Times)

A much different view of the report.

In a season when candor and leadership are in short supply, the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on the prewar assessment of Iraqi weapons is a welcome demonstration of both. It is also disturbing, and not just because of what it says about the atrocious state of American intelligence. The report is a condemnation of how this administration has squandered the public trust it may sorely need for a real threat to national security.

The report was heavily censored by the administration and is too narrowly focused on the bungling of just the Central Intelligence Agency. But what comes through is thoroughly damning. Put simply, the Bush administration's intelligence analysts cooked the books to give Congress and the public the impression that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and was developing nuclear arms, that he was plotting to give such weapons to terrorists, and that he was an imminent threat.

These assertions formed the basis of Mr. Bush's justifications for war. But the report said that they were wrong and were not a true picture of the intelligence, and that the intelligence itself was not worth much. The freshest information from human sources was more than four years old. The committee said the analysts who had produced that false apocalyptic vision had fallen into a "collective groupthink" in which evidence was hammered into a preconceived pattern. Their bosses did not intervene.

The report reaffirmed a finding by another panel investigating intelligence failures before the 9/11 attacks in saying that there was no "established formal relationship" between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. It also said there was no evidence that Iraq had been complicit in any attack by Osama bin Laden, or that Saddam Hussein had ever tried to use Al Qaeda for an attack. Although the report said the C.I.A.'s conclusions had been "widely disseminated" in the government, Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have repeatedly talked of an Iraq-Qaeda link.

(more)

<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/opinion/10SAT1.html?th>

[Pallas180]

158. NYT trying to redeem itself. Was it on page 125?? nt/

:kick:

[Wilber_Stool]

137. I'm sorry I'm so dim

Does this mean that there are no good guys?

[shraby]

142. Everything is so screwed up,

we have to believe there are some cowboys in white hats.

[shraby]

144. Methinks the fat lady is about to start

her aria in a few days.

[Wilber_Stool]

146. That's not the answer I wanted. n/t

[Pallas180]

165. Bush1 & BakerIII, sold nerve gas to Iraq & 1 yr later was used on US sold

it was used on US soldiers in the Gulf War. The gas was of a type that
"dissolved" gas masks and was long acting. Gulf War Syndrome which
the govt. said was all in the soldiers' minds. Their children were
born with birth defects which was the intent of the gas/chemical.It was and is a long death. 7000 Gulf war vets are dead from the chemical 10 years after the Gulf war

Let me make it clear.

Bush and Baker sold this biological warfare gas to Saddam's half brother and an Iraqui agent about a year before Bush made Gulf War 1 on Saddam.

Bush and Baker made profits off this biochemical warfare agent used against our children/soldiers. Cheney was Secretary of Defense at the time.

The agent set up manufacturing this gas in Boca Raton Florida and in Libya. Reports were made of this illegal gas manufacturing and exporting. The CIA and FBI told the people making the reports to shut up.

These activities of Bush 1 and Baker have been covered up by Sonny Boy with a National Secuirty directive, sealed records.

Funny thing. Once you get something on the internet, it's hard to get off from the thousands of places it goes to.

Bush 1 under Reagan and Meese and himself also distributed a spy program called Promis (which is the famous program stolen from Inslaw) to 80 countries, not all of who were friendlies, banks, intel agencies around the world, including Sauds, Saddam, and possibly Bin Laden, which is why we can't find him.

This program allows you to launder money through banks without leaving tracks, affect markets, gather names of zillions of protestors in a databank, figure out what you'll do next, and where you are, and where you're going,apparently there is nothing the program can't do.

Go to post #111 for info, links,and nightmares.

The leaders of this country have conspired without conscience to assist in killing their own soldiers and citizens.

Why are they still walking around?

[shraby]

172. Why would they want to use it on our

own soldiers?

[Pallas180]

197. Shraby, they didn't care who it was used on, they were out for

the buck ---on the other hand would you tell me pappy didn't know he
was going to attack Saddam in a year's time?

And if he didn't know why was the FBI and CIA protecting this Iraqi's Barouti factory in Boca Raton?

And then sealed the records, after signing an order that Pappy couldn't be sued, just as junior has done, the pharmaceutical companies supplying the small pox shots and malaria stuff, can't be
sued . Republican Congress passed that.

If I'm not mistaken I traced the manufacturer of one of the shots, to
a company connected to Carlyle...one company in London, and one in the
states.

Profiteering anyone. What a great racket. Create the war to make your profits on. And if your president of the United States that's easy to do.

Why doesn't Junior go to meet the coffins as Clinton did? does he know
those soldiers are carrying some kind of chemical contamination he doesn't want to be near? Just supposition.

What a plick, I would dearly like God to take him off the face of the
earth, in the most unpleasant way. Where's Moses and his magic staff when you need him ?

Tch. not nice, but truthful

[shraby]

218. I guess it's just hard for me

to imagine pure greed over and above anything else. May their souls come back to live out their karma in cave man days.

[H2O Man]

157. Is it just me?

Or is this a popular thread?

[shraby]

160. It sure grew fast!

Must not be just you H20

[H2O Man]

166. This has been a large

number of posts today. Very impressive.

[Pallas180]

169. H20. Besides being impressed with the mental agility of us plebian souls,

do you have any idea of what could possibly be done to wake up the
rest of the American countryside to these abuses? to the crisis we are
in and facing?

Do you have any ideas,suggestions of what each of us individually or
jointly who are seeing this can do to stop these activities of these
rats?

[H2O Man]

180. Interesting question, Pallas180......

It's especially interesting to me because I was thinking that would be a perfect topic for Sunday. I've already noted that I am an admirer of the US Constitution. I am in awe of the power of the Bill of Rights. I think these are our most powerful weapons.

I've also said that I think it would be great to get a series of letters-to-the-editor on the central topics we discuss on here. If each of us target our local newspaper(s), that's a start.

There are a few other ideas that may be of interest to people on here. What do other people think? I like to do things that are likely to show a result at some level. Just one example would be to have as many DUers as possible write a short message to Time magazine, requesting they expand upon the information from Klein. If they got 100 notes from across the country with a consistent message, they might well respond.

I will be back on this site in the early morning. I'll be hoping that some of you folks will have some suggestions. I am convinced that in a "non-paranoid" way, we have documented something that should be of interest to the general public. Our sense of timing will likely be a plus. With the shit hitting the fan in regard to Wilson etc, I still think we're going to have a good time on Wednesday!

[calimary]

202. Absolutely correct, H2O, If they think we don't care, they won't, either.

In the hopefully immortal words of a fellow DUer:

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING...make a phone call or send a paper letter. E-mails are quick and cheap and don't carry the weight of a phone call or a PAPER LETTER. Paul Begala says a hundred paper letters would change the direction of a news program. – DUer grasswire, 5/20/04

And don't forget this resource:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1956556#1956858

This is also available in the Activism/Events forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x8816

[shraby]

173. Probably cause it's Saturday.

[coeur_de_lion]

196. nah h2o, it's just you . . . NOT.

This issue has galvanized this board like no other I've seen. I've been a "lurker" from time to time here, and only posted here fairly recently.

This particular issue is drawing the attention of a lot of people who are frustrated, scared, and fed up with *, and see the Plame indictments as a way to bring down the administration.

My own personal view is that * & Co. did so many godawful things, but this may be the one time they really screwed up, badly enough to take out a lot of important * cohorts out altogether and dare I say it? * and Cheney in one swell foop.

Plus, we have a direction in which to point our outrage. My outrage is fresher than most folks here, and I kinda like that. I've not been up on the minute details of the evils of * since 2000. But I've been paying attention enough to know that this country is in grave danger if we don't find a way to remove all of the most important players in this administration. Can Fitzgerald accomplish this with his GJ investigation? That is what we all hope. And so we dig and dig to find more reasons and more explanations. You've been an invaluable part of that process, and I thank you, honestly, from the bottom of my heart.

I feel very privileged to be in on the machinations of this thread on DU. It gives me so much hope to see so many wonderful minds concentrated on one issue. I'm a novice, but I'm learning and I so love to learn -- especially when it comes to this type of thinking.

It is so fabulous, no? Fun, intriguing, thought-provoking, and shocking. I'm addicted.

[PfcHammer]

167. Plame threads in PDF format

These files are unformatted, text only:

244152 Jul 10 17:08 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments01f.pdf
356349 Jul 10 17:08 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments02f.pdf
165400 Jul 10 17:04 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments03f.pdf
214088 Jul 10 17:04 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments04f.pdf

These are faithful representations of what you see on the screen. Threading, internal & external links are intact.

1679955 Jul 10 20:28 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments01t.pdf
1639402 Jul 10 20:53 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments02t.pdf
1316929 Jul 10 20:52 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments03t.pdf
1372833 Jul 10 20:26 http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments04t.pdf

[Pallas180]

184. That's so nice of you KleverKittie. Maybe I can look at it all in a week

but, wow, I've had enough of the mafia in US govt tonite.

[truth2power]

170. More on Wackenhut, Barbouti, etc.

Another source.

"Between 1987 and '89, three companies in the United States received investments from an Iraqi architect named Ihsan Barbouti."

"As reported on ABC's "Nightline" last year, the three companies in which Barbouti invested were TK-7 of Oklahoma City, which makes a fuel additive; Pipeline Recovery Systems of Dallas, which makes an anti-corrosive chemical that preserves pipes; and Product Ingredient Technoiogy of Boca Raton, which makes food flavorings. None of these companies was looking to do business with Iraq; Barbouti sought them out. Why was he interested? Because TK-7 had formulas that could extend the range of jet aircraft and liquid-fueled missiles such as the SCUD; because Pipeline Recovery knows how to coat pipes to make them usable in nuclear reactors and chemical-weapons plants; and because one of the by-products in making cherry flavoring is ferric ferrocyanide, a chemical that's used to manufacture hydrogen cyanide, which can penetrate gas masks and protective clothing. Hydrogen cyanide was used by Saddam Hussein against the Kurds in the Iran-Iraq war. "

Assisting Barbouti with these investments was New Orleans exporter Don Seaton, business associate of Richard Secord, the right-wing U.S. Army general turned war profiteer who was so deeply enmeshed in the Iran-contra affair. It was Secord who connected Barbouti with Wackenhut"

"Charles Hayes, who describes himself as "a CIA asset " says Wackenhut was helping Barbouti ship chemicals to Iraq, "Supplying Iraq was originally a good idea," he maintains, "but then it got out of hand. Wackenhut was just in it for the money.""



http://www.totse.com/en/politics/central_intelligence_agency/wack_1.html

This is a long article. I think there's some additional info in addition to what's already been posted here.

[starroute]

171. International arms dealers -- a bit off-topic but fascinating stuff

I went looking for information on that second fake set of African uranium documents, and one link led to another, and before I knew it, I found myself in this May's archive of a blog called The Yorkshire Ranter, which appears to have something of an obsession with an international arms dealer called Viktor Bout.

http://yorkshire-ranter.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_yorkshire-ranter_archive.html

"This leaves me utterly shocked. According to the Financial Times, (thanks to My Way of Thinking) the British Government is supporting efforts by the United States to prevent the international arms dealer and aerial smuggler Viktor Bout's assets being frozen. Now this is insane. Not just immoral, but insane. Mr. Bout is a former KGB agent with a record like looking into the abyss - and thinking it isn't that deep. His activities basically include operating a network of freight aircraft to run weapons to anybody who will pay, and back loading whatever resources they can offer. He is currently the subject of a UN travel ban due to his activities running diamonds out of and guns into the Congo and Angola. To give an idea of the scale, he was at one point in the Angolan civil war running a Boeing 707 into Unita territory to deliver guns and fuel, coming back with diamonds."

And it reports, several entries, later:

"New developments on the story that the international gun runner Viktor Bout has been taken off a UN sanctions list apparently at the behest of the US, despite his links with the Taliban and (allegedly) Osama bin Laden. My Way of Thinking, who seems to have been the first blogger to pick up on the story, reports that the UK has reversed its position on the issue and is now backing the proposal to freeze Bout's assets, US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage being quoted as saying that "he deserves to be on an asset freeze list and anything else you can do to him". But the story thickens. Le Monde reported the day before (really the same day because it is an evening paper) that a Bout airline operating under the name "British Gulf" was transporting goods for the US forces in Iraq, with the strong suggestion that his removal from the blacklist was a quid pro quo."


The blog links to further information on Bout and his associates. Here's one of those links (warning -- pdf):

http://www.jamestown.org/images/pdf/ter_002_006.pdf

"A former Soviet air force officer and notorious illegal arms trafficker, Victor Bout runs most of his business operations from the United Arab Emirates (UAE), operating between forty and sixty aircraft (including the largest Antonov cargo fleet in the world) and employing 300. One of Bout’s airfreight companies airlifted Rabinovych’s weaponry from the UAE. Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed bin Saqr al Nayhan, former UAE Ambassador to the United States and a member of the UAE ruling family, remains a close business associate of Bout.

"Bout’s links to the Taliban go back to the mid 1990s, when a transport plane intended for the Northern Alliance government of Burhanuddin Rabbani landed in Taliban-controlled territory. Bout immediately began selling Rabinovych’s arms to the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and continued right up to 9/11. British intelligence (MI6/SIS) had been monitoring Bout since 1999. A British official said, 'The evidence assembled is persuasive. He has a go-anywhere, supply-anything outfit that fuels war and terrorism.' "


Here's another:

http://www.niza.nl/uk/campaigns/diamonds/docs/sierra_leone/2-5.htm

"An airline named Santa Cruz Imperial/Flying Dolphin, based in the United Arab Emirates, has used the Liberian registry for its aircraft, apparently unbeknownst to Liberian authorities until 1998. It also used the Swaziland registry until the Government of Swaziland de-registered them in 1999. A total of 43 aircraft were de-registered, operated by the following companies: Air Cess, Air Pass, Southern Cross Airlines, Flying Dolphin and Southern Gateway Corporation. According to the Government of Swaziland, 'while the names may be different, some of these companies are one and the same and did not operate from Swaziland.' When it discovered that some of the aircraft were still operating, the government of Swaziland sent information to the Civil Aviation Authorities in the UAE where some of the aircraft were based, in part because of airworthiness concerns, and in part because it believed that the operators may have been involved in arms trafficking. Flying Dolphin is owned by Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed bin Saqr al Nayhan, a business associate of Victor Bout.

"Victor Bout is a well-known supplier of embargoed non-state actors - in Angola, the Democratic Republic of Congo and elsewhere. Viktor Vasilevich Butt, know more commonly as Victor Bout, is often referred to in law enforcement circles as 'Victor B' because he uses at least five aliases and different versions of his last name. He was born in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, had air force training in Russia, and reportedly worked as a KGB officer shortly before the end of the Cold War. He then went into private business, setting up airline companies throughout Eastern Europe. Today Victor Bout oversees a complex network of over 50 planes, tens of airline companies, cargo charter companies and freight-forwarding companies, many of which are involved in shipping illicit cargo. Bout himself lives in the United Arab Emirates."


And here's something on another associate of Bout's, Russian-Israeli Mafiya figure Leonid Minim:

http://www.niza.nl/uk/campaigns/diamonds/docs/sierra_leone/2-4.htm

"The weapons in question, however, were not retained in Burkina Faso. They were temporarily off-loaded in Ouagadougou and some were trucked to Bobo Dioulasso. The bulk of them were then trans-shipped within a matter of days to Liberia.

"Most were flown aboard a BAC-111 owned by an Israeli businessman of Ukrainian origin, Leonid Minin. The aircraft bore the Cayman registration VP-CLM and was operated by a company named LIMAD, registered in Monaco. Minin was, and may remain, a business partner and confidant of Liberian President Charles Taylor. He is identified in the police records of several countries and has a history of involvement in criminal activities ranging from east European organised crime, trafficking in stolen works of art, illegal possession of fire arms, arms trafficking and money laundering. Minin uses several aliases. He has been refused entry into many countries, including Ukraine, and travels with many different passports. Minin offered the aircraft mentioned above for sale to Charles Taylor as a Presidential jet, and for a period between 1998 and 1999, it was used for this purpose. It was also used to transport arms."


I'm still lost in a maze of links and further links and trying to sort it all out. But the general feeling I've been getting for some time is that most of Africa these days is in a state of total social breakdown, where almost anything is for sale. I don't know whether the fake uranium documents were attributed to Niger merely to give the story a sense of verisimilitude, or whether there is some deeper connection to pursue. But I strongly sense that this entire out-of-control African situation is going to become enormously important in the very near future.

[kohodog]

176. Off Topic? I think not.

This is the stuff (maybe not these guys) that Plame was investigating. And Bushco by taking her out has made the world a much more dangerous place. But I'm still not convinced they wanted her out, that they are complicit in trafficing WMD. While some in high places may be involved in something like this, I find it hard to believe the neocons would support this. They seem to have a different agenda of power and pre-emption, so why would they engage in this? And they already control enough destructive material to destroy the earth many times over.
Am I making any sense? All the info today is beginning to overwhelm my mind, and it's hard to put all the disparate parts together.

[shraby]

177. I know what you mean kohodog

it's hard to get the mind around it all. There are some nasty characters loose in the world that make bin Laden look like a pansy.

[Beam Me Up]

187. Right you are, shraby, and some of them have their arms

(pun intended) so far up the pResidential puppets arse their fingers are wagging his tongue. Bush is an idiot -- in any case, without subtlety of thought -- and all the more useful for that.

When President GORE called for the resignation of most of the cabinet FOR NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS, he was not just being hyperbolic. The current occupants of the executive branch of the United States of America ARE A THREAT to every man, woman and child not only in this nation but the world. --And I'm not being hyperbolic, either.

BMU

Edit: typo

[shraby]

188. It's not hard to figure out who in

congress are on the payroll too. Jeebus! It's not just a matter of matching ideologues..it goes far beyond that.

[Pallas180]

190. BEAM, you're right. I couldn't find Pres Gore's last speech, do you

have a link?

Maybe we could get hold of him...we need leadership.

He should have been out there callling us to meet him and stop the
theft of the White House in the first place!

Then all of this crap never would have happened.

Maybe Clinton should have called Martial Law and had a nice quiet talk
with the Supremes telling them it wasn't their right to interfere with
the vote.

Maybe as President he could have ordered all the votes counted

But he didn't do it.

and Maybe, shoulda, coulda, woulda - they got the jump on us.

[Beam Me Up]

255. Yes, I have a link. And THOUGHTS about what you've said

Maybe we could get hold of him...we need leadership.

I've never perceived Al Gore, who I believe to be the rightful but uninstalled President of the United States, as a "hot head." I don't believe he would call for the resignation of senior members of the Bush/Cheney cabinet for National Security reasons if he didn't have back-up in the Intel and Military communities. In other words, what I'm telling you is, I believe we DO have leadership already. But, due to the NATURE of the situation, this leadership can not declare itself too openly. Yet, nevertheless, "for those who have ears" it is clearly there.

He should have been out there callling us to meet him and stop the theft of the White House in the first place!
Then all of this crap never would have happened.

I agree that the Democrats "could have" fought harder and that they at least appeared to make some mistakes in regards to the recount in Fla. However, I don't have sufficient intelligence regarding all the variables in this matter to know for sure. Beyond that, there may also be other things in play that prevented Gore et al from pressing the 2000 situation. It was, after all, a coup d'tat. They knew it even more than most of us knew it, of that I'm sure.

Now, whether or not "all of this crap never would have happened," that seems reasonable to assume but I'm not so sure. It may be that in the history of human civilization, things need to happen a certain way in order to develop the appropriate mythology for how the past is to be understood by the future. For example, how would our country -- our perception of ourselves as a nation -- be different if there had been little or no resistance from Britan after the signing of the Declaration of Independence? The "War for Independence" the "American Revolution" -- these are actually not things in the past, but part of what is still going on today.

Maybe Clinton should have called Martial Law and had a nice quiet talk with the Supremes telling them it wasn't their right to interfere with the vote. Maybe as President he could have ordered all the votes counted But he didn't do it. and Maybe, shoulda, coulda, woulda - they got the jump on us.

And, maybe that would have fomented a Constitutional Crisis unlike anything seen before. And remember, the vote between Gore/Bush WAS very close -- which means that as a nation we were very divided. Moreover, the networks were NOT (and for the most part are still not) cooperating with the Democratic perspective. I just don't think what you are suggesting could have worked.

Now, I believe, as H20man has said, I believe we ARE headed for a Constitutional Crisis. The future -- the outcome -- of all this is not known. We are in uncharted waters, historically. It IS a dangerous time for us all.

HOW can WE pull together to help guarantee that our Nation, our Constitution, survive the collision that is DIRECTLY AHEAD OF US? We need to give this some serious thought, my friends.

Here is a relevant excerpt from Gore's speech:

EXCERPT:
I am keenly aware that we have seven months and twenty five days remaining in this president's current term of office and that represents a time of dangerous vulnerability for our country because of the demonstrated incompetence and recklessness of the current administration.

It is therefore essential that even as we focus on the fateful choice, the voters must make this November that we simultaneously search for ways to sharply reduce the extraordinary danger that we face with the current leadership team in place. It is for that reason that I am calling today for Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Dick Cheney who are most responsible for creating the catastrophe that we are facing in Iraq.

We desperately need a national security team with at least minimal competence because the current team is making things worse with each passing day. They are endangering the lives of our soldiers, and sharply increasing the danger faced by American citizens everywhere in the world, including here at home. They are enraging hundreds of millions of people and embittering an entire generation of anti-Americans whose rage is already near the boiling point.

We simply cannot afford to further increase the risk to our country with more blunders by this team. Donald Rumsfeld, as the chief architect of the war plan, should resign today. His deputies Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and his intelligence chief Stephen Cambone should also resign. The nation is especially at risk every single day that Rumsfeld remains as Secretary of Defense.

Condoleeza Rice, who has badly mishandled the coordination of national security policy, should also resign immediately.

George Tenet should also resign.
/EXCERPT

Transcript: http://www.california-recall.com/articles/article-120461085734136.html

[Pallas180]

301. thanks BEAM ME UP. but I understood there was a more recent

speech, within the last couple of weeks.

I would dearly love President Gore to have a copy of these threads too. It surely would bolster him.

"Now, I believe, as H20man has said, I believe we ARE headed for a Constitutional Crisis. The future -- the outcome -- of all this is not known. We are in uncharted waters, historically. It IS a dangerous time for us all."

Yes, I sincerely believe we are facing a war here of whether we will
succumb to Fascism and Police State or whether there will be enough people , ordinary people to resist and demand the re-instatement of
the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a real Congress, and a normal
Presidency.

There are those who think there will never be an election for President again. Many as a matter of fact. We know it, but the leadership is needed to tell us what to do besides getting out in the
streets. Which is about all we can do. Boycott economically and sit in the streets.

This could evolve into another civil war. Very seriously. The next
8 years will tell whether it will or will not be civil war.

But we need to organize.Into what? How? When? Where?

"HOW can WE pull together to help guarantee that our Nation, our Constitution, survive the collision that is DIRECTLY AHEAD OF US? We need to give this some serious thought, my friends."


Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.

[demgrrrll]

178. My mind is overwhelmed too! After Ashcroft received a briefing on

the major players in this mess he was forced to recuse himself. He had access to the Rove FBI interview and Libby's notes. Libby leads to Cheney.
I would be thrilled if those three men were indicted.
From what I have read Fitzgerald must indict or not indict. He does
not have the leeway that Starr had as an "independent" prosecutor to publish volumes of ridiculous crap.

[Pallas180]

182. KOHO - think again- several of them tried to profit from war and

a hullabaloo was raised. The biggest profiteers from this war
without question is the Cheney and Dimson family investments,
reconstruction, oil, munitions.

They've made a fortune. And I'm sure bigger bonuses for darth vader
who previously forgot he was still getting deferred payments from
Halliburtion. The profiteering bonus will just be another deferred
payment...or perhaps go straight into his swiss secret numbered bank
account.


Don;t find it hard to believe that your current and past governments
have been arms dealers and killers and crooks. That's what they are.

Did you find Iran-Contra hard to believe? That was Cheney.

Did you know that Rumsfeld was with Searle (I think that's the one)after his stint in Reagan/Bush (Ford?) government.
Pharmaceuticals, the one who makes Aspartame for coca cola and all the othe sugar substitutes (not saccharin). The FDA wouldn't pass it
because tests showed it creates brain tumors in rats. Rumsfeld, ever
concerned for the welfare of his fellow human beings, contacted "top officials" in govt. and got it passed. What the pluck does he care about your kids' brains.

[Pallas180]

183. These guys make the mafia look like pikers in comparison.

As a matter of fact, everytime there is a republican president in,
we either have a Zig Heil or a Mafia concern in office, and that's
not an exaggeration

Nixon was a Zig Heil + a million dollar slush fund in his safe.

Reagan - drugs and guns - and killings

Bush - the biggest of the crooks and armament dealers and profiteers

Bush jr. - capo junior - zig heil once again

[kohodog]

185. It's hard for me to imagine people that fucked up in the head, that's all.

I know this group has the experience. I believe they're all about Empire and keeping power for themselves. They will not go quietly into the night which is why they must be exposed and charged with war crimes. But we need to organize and reclaim the constitution and our democracy.

[shraby]

186. Maybe the Plame thing will shine some

light on some of the evildoers in the white house..it's a start. In fact, with some luck it will have longer legs than we can hope for.

[Pallas180]

189. Yup. I'm with you KoHO. We need to organize.

The march for women came up with 1 million people. We need 10 times that. And it can all be done by internet

In case we are cut off from the net, we have to all agree on a meeeting place to begin with. and a date to meet, which would be
1) a week?, 10 days? two weeks? Second Sunday? or something like that
after they

1) declare martial law or 2) steal the election or 3)postpone the election indefinitely

If you see what I'm looking at is kind of every eventuality to be prepared for. But if it isn;'t a show of millions, it won't do any good. Enough people to block up a city so that it can't help be noticed. If it's large enough in one city, it will spread to other cities.

We need to contact the people who put on that march and all the others

All the Black Churches...they're ususally very organized and can pass
the word quickly.

Synagogues (forget the fundamentalilsts churches)

Labor Unions

and there are some organizations in DC that have e mailing lists.

The idea is to have it organized, planned and ready to go in case it's needed in addition to whatever H20's mail campaign will be.

What do you think?

[kohodog]

193. What are you doing tomorrow?!!!

I really don't want to wait until November. But first we should show up in millions for the RNC. I've predicted that there will be some violence prior to The main protest to scare people away, not to mention terror alerts. They raised the level before the Feb. 2003 protests. If they steal the election we should have a general strike. If they declare martial law we get our guns ready. (I'm getting mine at WallMart...it'll be the only thing I ever buy there).

Look at what a small number of insurgents have done in Iraq.

Hopefully it won't come to that, but if it does the true patriots will win.

[coeur_de_lion]

201. Pallas, as always, I like your style

I don't know if anybody is still up. I agree that we need to organize, I'm not into weapons (per kohodog), but I think that we need to (in unison) write to the media and ask that they keep up the pressure on the administration, and keep hammering at * admin.

Calimary posted a very good "media contact" list and I think we should use it.

I think we need to also target our senators, encourage them to keep saying the (few) things they have been saying about the * administration screwing up Iraq, and breaking the law re: Plame. And tell them that we consider it their duty to help us expose this crime.

I think John Kerry has been playing it safe, waiting for something to break. We need to let him know that we want this issue to get more attention from him. We want Kerry to start speaking out more, or send one of his attack dogs (Clark?) after * and start bringing this issue up as often as possible.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Let's start squeaking like hell.

[calimary]

204. Resubmitted here - post 202.

"Let's start squeaking like hell."

I LIKE that!

And that's EXACTLY what we have to do. Remember Paul Begala's 100-letters endorsement. Can't stress that enough!

[Pallas180]

208. Calimary, no I dont know about Paul Begalas 100 letters, pls tell.

:kick:

[calimary]

212. It's a favorite quote of mine by now - here:

"IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING...make a phone call or send a paper letter. E-mails are quick and cheap and don't carry the weight of a phone call or a PAPER LETTER. Paul Begala says a hundred paper letters would change the direction of a news program." – DUer grasswire, 5/20/04

This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO true.

Don't want to bore you with the long story of my own experience about this, but the Cliff Notes version is - ONE listener mention of me, by name, in a listeners' survey called the "ARB Talkback" (one of the Arbitron ratings services) saved my job at that radio station for about a year - at a time when the old regime I was part of was getting fired by the new regime. ONE letter.

It's because programmers, researchers, pollsters, pundits and the like operate on the assumption that one letter reflects the same sentiments of many more people who were either too busy, too apathetic, too forgetful, too unmotivated, or too discouraged (assumed it wouldn't make any difference) to write in, themselves. Depending on the size of the market, that could be one letter representing a few dozen - all the way up to thousands or tens of thousands in a major market. Who knows WHAT the ratio is on a national or international network? But that ratio is for real. Otherwise - why would any radio station bother with a request line? The input from listener requests has a direct impact on the playlist, what's a hit, what's not a hit, and what's purchased or not purchased.

[kohodog]

205. arbustochupa, I'm not really into weapons either...

but it's getting late and I added that for color!

More importantly, and to bring things back to the task at hand we need to pull out the salient facts from these threads and boil them down to a coherent case that we can bring to our legislators and media. There have many great points made and numerous facts leading to unresolved questions have been brought to light. The right questions might pique the interest of a good reporter.

I agree with you, it's time to start squeaking!

[coeur_de_lion]

267. boiling down the threads . . .

Is going to be a tough job. Lots of material to sort through.

We should probably just come up with a letter that everyone can write, which keeps it short & sweet so they will actually read it. We can all send our own versions of the letter, change bits here and there, but it needs to be a one-page letter. IMHO.

[Pallas180]

207. ((Arbust)) we'll figure it out with all of us contributing to the

cause.

We do have a cause now. Interesting. Before we have watched in distress while this Hitler wannabe destroys our social structure.

On this thread we've come together to plan, to take an action.

Encourage the dem senators, lambast the rethugs for desttoying the fabric of the constitution and our social structure. And especially
throw a lot of letters and emails at Hastert and Frist. Unfortunately
it has to be quick. They;re going on vacation.

The media keep up the pressure? Ha. The only ones who have openly flouted the admininstration are Olberman and Dobbs. The rest are
sheep.

We need to en masse write the republicans and demand impeachment of
dimson and the entire cabinet for high crimes, misdemeanors and treason!

Now that would be a good letter, Arby..what do you say?

[coeur_de_lion]

268. oh yeah baby!

But we need to make it a succinct summary of the facts, with a request that the mainstream media cover it in more depth than they have been, and for our senators, that they keep this issue at the forefront and take the * admin. to task for what they've done.

What is a nice way to tell our senators to get a backbone?

[Pallas180]

203. KOHO, did you see my thread on "Martial Law In America?"

take a look at that before you decide to go to the RNC...

I don;t want to give them an excuse to call martial law.
I'm of the same mind, however,
whatever protests, have to be peaceful, or we give them the excuse.

We can think about non peaceful if they martial law, or cancel election.


You make me smile. I have my dad's 65 year old 22 long rifle in the
closet issued to him in WW2 for civil defense.

I doubt if it would be safe to shoot anymore :)

And Koho, I don;t think Walmart sells guns anymore :)

but the idea of the general strike on a stolen election is good.

I watched what the Kosovo people did. They just stood out there in front of his palace (Milosevic) until he gave up. Nobody went to work,
nobody bought things.....maybe we better read up on Martin Luther King's financial boycott.

[kohodog]

210. I did and also,

I was with my 12yo daughter at the NYC march just prior to the war. We hung out for a while in Union Square, talking to people and watching the people march by. We rejoined and got to Washington Square Park a little after 4:00pm, when the permit expired. We turned the corner at the edge of the park and we were suddenly face to face with probably 100 riot gear clad police hurrying to clear the streets. This started to some back and forth that eventually led to a few arrests.

Along the route there were a number of plain clothes with video cameras taping the protesters. Not the same as G8, but still a bit chilling. And these "Free speech" zones make me nuts.

[Pallas180]

215. Taping the protesters. ? But it's worst now, they have it down pat

bringing in contractors, and police, corrections officer....much
much heavier.

Ithink everyone should get a photocopy of the Bill of Rights ad Constitution and waive it in their face.

Of course the Patriot Act nullifies the Constitution

then maybe we should write the republicans we want themto resign
or be tried for high crimes against the constitution .

Old Senator Byrd knew and knows. Maybe we should have someone call his office and ask him if we can impeach congress for passing the
Patriot Act. I'm serious. They might tell us what we can do.

[calimary]

217. A good reason to take one of those little disposable cameras

with you, the next time you attend a protes. If they're gonna take your picture, take THEIRS, too. No reason why us Good Guys can't document this stuff.

[Jose Diablo]

240. During the RNC in NYC

the subway is our friend. Organize and coordinate outside the 'zone of control' then board the subway system and emerge at points outside the 'free-speech' zones to display the previously concealed anti-Bu$h/Cheney messages.

The subway system has cross-overs to make blocking access nearly impossible. The subway also has multipathing routes inside the city. All that is needed is a coordinated schedule of when to emerge and path information to each group as to which trains to take at what time to arrive where wanted.

The anti-freespeech forces will be overwhelmed if enough protesters emerge simultaneously. Barricades only work on surface roads. Go 'under' the barricades to anyplace needed, when needed.

Transportation is 1/2 the solution, communication is needed to stay flexible to the inevitable response. Sprinkled within each group needs communicators. Another topic, but don't depend on cellphones exclusively, the cell network can be shutdown, plan on it and have alternatives available. Coin stations maybe?

Bu$h plans on free-speech zones to contain his opposition. Deny him this advantage.

[Pallas180]

243. Jelly Bean, welcome, nice to have yr input.Subways maybe closed

had you heard that?

[kohodog]

249. Only a few stops right near MSG...

And only for certain periods of time. If they shut down transportation the economic impact will be huge.

But the main protest is still being negotiated for Central Park, or a march down the wqest side.

[kohodog]

248. A million protesters can't be penned

They found that out in Feb 2003 when the crowds literally flooded 3rd ave. Nothing moved, not busses, not popo, cabs, nada. But eventually they started holding back groups well away from the action.

So your subway idea is good. But human waves might work too!

So come on everyone! Join us!

[Pallas180]

260. Why KOHO - protest RNC Convention? Would it be better

to save up all those people for a march on Washington DC ???

People often can;t afford to make such a trip twice.

What do you think?

[kohodog]

266. So many opportunities, so little time.

I'm not sure if anything is planned for Washington (unless there's funny business with the election).

There were some great editorials pre-war about the other major super power being the people of the world. Remember the turn out all over the world and how it felt to be part of a growing sense that we, the people (of the world) are all in this together?

I think it is important that we stand together (peacefully) and show the whole world that a great number of us feel that our leaders don't stand for us and they are not acting in our name. A million plus in one location on one day standing against the Republican agenda will make such a statement.

Surely there are enough of us in and around NYC to make it happen.

[starroute]

181. More on the Viktor Bout affair from The Yorkshire Ranter

http://yorkshire-ranter.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_yorkshire-ranter_archive.html#108868790667161931

The Financial Times reports that US counter-terrorist efforts in West Africa are being strengthened after increased scrutiny of the former Liberian dictator Charles Taylor's alleged links with Hezbollah and al-Qa'ida. Reportedly, more staff have been assigned to help in financial investigations there, and a further legal attache (a FBI representative) is to be appointed. The September 11th commission surprised various people when it decided that al-Qa'ida did not finance itself through the illicit diamond trade, especially, it seems, the FBI itself and the Congressional committee that watches it:

A Federal Bureau of Investigation team this year found "pretty definite" evidence of a link between al-Qaeda operatives and the smuggling of Sierra Leonean diamonds, according to the head of the House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees the FBI. In an interview, Frank Wolf, chairman of the House commerce-justice-state and the judiciary appropriations subcommittee, expressed surprise at the September 11 committee's scepticism about the tie and said he would check that it had access to FBI reports on the issue.

<snip>

This may yet reveal important facts on the Viktor Bout scandal, as reported here back in May. To recap, it emerged that the well-known arms trafficker had been working for the US in some connection with Iraq, as well as his more usual clients (Charles Taylor, UNITA, various Congolese factions, Rwanda, the Taliban). The big question was the why, of course, which remains mysterious. The new development is the suggestion that Charles Taylor, whose regime in Liberia was pretty much dependent on the Bout organisation to export diamonds and timber and import armaments for its numerous wars, had links with the US of a nature that could have led to a blind eye being turned to terrorist-related activities there.

"Alex Yearsley, of London-based Global Witness, alleges that the CIA and FBI long had tried to publicly minimize links between conflict diamonds and Islamic militant groups, including al-Qaida. The U.S. security agents feared exposure of their own longtime links with Charles Taylor, the ousted Liberian leader who played a main role in West Africa's insurgencies and blood diamond trade, Yearsley said. Taylor received CIA payments until January 2001, Yearsley claimed in a telephone interview."


Or as Iris DeMent so memorably put it in "Wasteland of the Free":

We got preachers dealing in politics and diamond mines
and their speech is growing increasingly unkind
They say they are Christ's disciples
but they don't look like Jesus to me
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

You got it, those are the very same Liberian diamond minds that our old friend Pat Robertson was involved in. See:

http://www.hypocrites.com/article1570.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0OBW/is_2_42/ai_101797923


(Are we having fun yet?)

[shraby]

198. How many of you know that if

you click control/f you will bring up a search screen and can put in the next number on the thread and click find and it will go there.

[Pallas180]

209. Hi Shraby - pls explain that.

:hi:

[shraby]

224. Hold down your control button and

at the same time, click your "f". A little screen will pop up and you can put the number of the entry you want to go to...say its 23. Then click find on the little screen and your screen will pop to entry 23.
You can move the little screen up to the top of your computer screen so its out of the way and keep using it. I use it to pick up where I left off when I leave this thread and come back.

[Pallas180]

303. So smart. :) Thanks.

:kick:

[starroute]

211. Frank Carlucci and the assassination of Patrice Lumumba

While we're on the topic of Africa -- here's something else I found:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=882

Pacific News Service, Feb 14, 2002

"Most people would be thrilled to be a real-life character in a movie. Not Frank Carlucci. Lawyers for the former U.S. Secretary of Defense have pressured the film's distributor to remove his character's identity from the showings of 'Lumumba' on HBO this month.

"Carlucci doesn't appreciate the attention. Maybe that's understandable. In 1960, he was the second secretary in the U.S. embassy in Kinshasa, the Congo. That was the time when, according to declassified U.S. State Department cables and testimony to the Senate's Church committee on assassinations, the United States plotted with the incipient dictator Mobutu Sese Seko and the Belgians to bring down Patrice Lumumba, the popular nationalist leader who'd been chosen prime minister by a Brussels 'roundtable' of Congo leaders. Lumumba's sin was that, when neither the Americans nor the United Nations would help him against Belgian-organized plots to destabilize his government, he turned to the Russians.

<snip>

"The scene he doesn't like shows U.S. Ambassador Clare Timberlake and an American that the uncensored film identifies as Carlucci in a meeting plotting Lumumba's murder. The Carlucci character is an oily fellow who makes a clearly disingenuous comment about how the U.S. doesn't "meddle" in other countries' affairs.

<snip>

"Carlucci went on to a stellar career, including posts as ambassador to Portugal, deputy director of the CIA, assistant to the President for National Security affairs, and Secretary of Defense, the latter two positions in the Reagan administration. He is now chairman of the Carlyle Group, an investment firm."


Last year, Carlucci retired and became merely chairman emeritus of Carlyle. However, his career might be worth reviewing, especially his stint as Deputy Director of the CIA from 1978 to 1980. This was precisely the period when the CIA started getting heavily involved in Afghanistan, pumping up the opium trade there and in Pakistan, and fostering the growth of BCCI. It would be interesting to know whether Carlucci was involved in any of those operations.

[juslikagrzly]

213. My God,

this is scary! I feel like I'm reading a Robert Ludlum book. I've been reading these threads since they started (luckily coinciding with my finding DU) and every new bit of information seems to contain "Carlyle Group". Who in the HELL are these people and what do they want?

I'm just shocked and numb! This has turned my world upside down. I keep leaving the computer to resume normal life, but find myself back here over and over again. I'm sure this is partly some "newbie" thing, but damn! A large part of me does NOT want to know this stuff, but it's like driving by a car wreck---you just have to look.

The good thing is that my husband and I have been slowly becoming more radicalized, and as I pass on the info I find here (including the wonderful word document that beam_me_up posted) we are discussing actually doing something besides just shaking our heads and mumbling. The suggestions about writing letters is surely something I can do from my little corner of the world.

Ok, rant over. Thanks DU, I guess :-).

[calimary]

216. Welcome to DU!

By all means, WRITE, CALL, FAX, or EMAIL! Just don't sit there and remain silent. Or let the bad guys intimidate you. OR let them get the last word.

[juslikagrzly]

220. thanks for the welcome

and we will DO something. It's the weirdest feeling---so depressed and disgusted---yet energized. For God's sake it's 12:30 a.m. and I'm still on the computer. One thing I will start doing is speaking up when my RW relatives spew all their nonsense. We've always kept our mouths shut to avoid the potential conflict but after reading these threads I realize that that is just not going to work anymore. Why should they get a free pass from us. Next time we get some smarmy forwarded email from the relatives extolling the virtue of *, I'll let them know my opinions. So....it's a start anyway. And we've signed up to volunteer for Kerry/Edwards campaign and have begun talking with other like-minded folk in the area.

Thanks all, and you may all take credit for getting at least one democrat off her ass!

[calimary]

225. YAY! Congrats, and WUNNNNderful to have you here!

Here, you will find LOTS of solidarity, inspiration, links, even a few sample responses to those smarmy emails that may come your way. By all means, answer 'em. Debunk the baloney in them. I did that, and now, surprise! I don't get those emails anymore.

You will find resource material galore if you want to quote something, or cite some article as proof or backup to your assertions, or even if you just need contact info. And who knows - you might, just might, reach into the darkness and ignorance, and enlighten somebody.

And you will probably find Plame Thread #6 before too long... haven't these been a hoot? I'm still stuck to my computer here, too. It's nuts.

[juslikagrzly]

226. Nuts, it is

to be up this late. I'm not really adding anything to the discussion, but I'm sure soaking it in! And I must relate this story. Today my daughter (age 7) and I are in line at the store. She sees some magazine with *'s picture on it, points and says "mom, there's the bad guy". I thought I would wet my pants laughing.

Going to bed now so I have enough energy to read thread #6 tomorrow.

[Pallas180]

223. Idea. We could each photocopy 100 letter leaving name blank.

Using black pen you can;t tell the difference between computer printed
out letter and original.

100 heck.

Enough for Senate and enough for congress.

Congressman Henry Waxman's site has a list of bad things they've done.

Take your pick.

[Pallas180]

219. JUS-doubtful that there are many radicals onthis thread if any,

I'm know I'm not a radical. In younger years, I volunteered on a Congressman's election, a governor's, making phone calls, stuffing envelopes, a mayor's, volunteer poll watcher, once I even got the steps of City Hall for a rally.

The most radical thing I;ve ever done was help organize two rallies
for Bill Clinton in Wash DC park when they were trying to
impeach him. All over the internet. It's telephone and internet
work. I went to Washington DC to the rally and kind of figured that
was my last hurrah - mostly for health reasons - being out there in the cold is not a lot of fun....how smart of them to make elections in
the winter, when people don't want to stand around in the cold....but
we'll see.

This administration has no antennae for the mood of the people when they call millions of people protesting " a focus group".

I think our first step is to start writing Congress critters how dissatisfied we are with what they are doing and allowing to be done to our beloved country.

Feel free to call Frist a crook and that he should recuse himself from
voting on every medical matter since he and his family own many HMO's - and you wonder why people can;'t afford health insurance? Cause he's lining his families pockets.

Crooks and Thiefs.

Wasn't there a song by that title?

[H2O Man]

233. Carlucci took part in the operation

to kill Patrice Lumumba, and replace him with Tsombe, the who Malcolm X aptly described as the "lowest life form in all of Africa." Carlucci was an operative at the time, obviously, working under a very thin diplomatic cover.

[Pallas180]

236. Then Carlucci=CIA= Carlyle w pappy types = private CIA as Starroute

says affecting economies, essentially running the world economies with ability to affect entire economies, move large amounts of monies especially with that program Promis.

I'm a strong believer in what goes around comes around, and it is apparent these people, who now are in control of the US government have done many terrible illegal acts.

Who says it is legal to kill leaders, legalto affect economies negatively and surreptitiously for your own private financial benefit .

And if they say it is, the World has to say it is not legal, not acceptable, and those who have indulged in such actions must be arrested , tried, and jailed IMHO

[starroute]

246. The suspicious death of Dag Hammerskjold

After I posted last night about the assassination of Patrice Lumumba and headed off to bed, a wave of memory swept over me. It was September 1961, and I had just gotten home from high school when my mother met me at the elevator to tell me that Dag Hammerskjold, Secretary General of the United Nations, had been killed in a plane crash in Africa, where he was trying to bring peace to the former Belgian Congo. I was totally overwhelmed by the news and cried as though I had lost a member of my family. Prior to the assassination of John Kennedy, it was the most devastating death of a political figure I had ever experienced.

Although it wasn't clear at the time, it also marked the end of the dream of the United Nations as an effective force for world peace. In some ways, it may have been more of a turning point than the death of JFK two years later.

Thinking about this event in light of all the other significant plane crashes in the years since, I decided that in the morning I would check into whether the circumstances of Hammerskjold's death were considered suspicious. And boy, were they! Although nothing was ever proven, the one survivor said there had been a series of explosions heard onboard just before the plane went down. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/18/newsid_3790000/3790079.stm) And at least some people online are prepared to call it a deliberate assassination:

The Assassination of Lumumba and the Mysterious Death of Dag Hammarskjold
http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-congo.html

This article first describes the plans for the assassination of Lumumba in harrowing detail. (It was, unsurprisingly, all Allen Dulles's idea.) It then reviews what was known about the crash of Hammerskjold's plane at the time. And it finally brings in new evidence:

Is there any evidence of British or CIA involvement in Hammarskjold’s death? Sadly, the answer is yes. Of both. In 1997, documents uncovered by the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission indicated a conspiracy between the CIA and MI5 to remove Hammarskjold. Messages written on the letterhead of the South Africa Institute for Maritime Research (SAIMR), covering a period from July, 1960 to September 17, 1961, the date of Hammarskjold’s crash, discussed a plot to kill Hammarskjold named Operation Celeste. The messages, written by a commodore and a captain whose names were expunged by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, reference Allen Dulles. According to press reports, the most damning document refers to a meeting between CIA, SAIMR, and the British intelligence organizations of MI5 and Special Operations Executive, at which Dulles agreed that "Dag is becoming troublesome...and should be removed." Dulles, according to the documents, promised "full cooperation from his people." In another message, the captain is told, "I want his removal to be handled more efficiently than was Patrice {Lumumba}."

These documents have been dismissed as fakes -- but there is also evidence that seems to support their authenticity.


Hammerskjold's death has never been mythologized like Kennedy's was, and for people who don't remember the event, it may be hard to believe that it was an even more significant turning point. But I was there, I remember, and I want to know the truth.

[H2O Man]

253. Now you are talking....

about a turning point..... of course, as you know, very few people (in American society) know who Patrice was .... or why he was killed .... or what Tshombe represented.

Hammerskjold's murder marked the beginning of the intel agencies' willingness to kill their own people. I remember James telling me about in the mid-1960s, a French intel source telling him that it was pretty bad when CI would "kill their own citizens" .... a reference that Farmer knew had to do with Malcolm X .... remember that France refused Minister Malcolm access to French soil when they knew that there was an operation activated to kill him on that visit to France.

As I've noted before, many people believe the assassination of JFK was a coup ..... but it wasn't. It was a realignment of the system ...Kennedy's election in 1960 was actually a coup .... and men like Hammerskjold posed more of a threat to that system than did a Lumumba of a Maurice Bishop.

[starroute]

273. I'm having trouble seeing Kennedy's election as a coup

I can understand the Republican side of things. Prescott Bush recruited Nixon to run for Congress in 1946, convinced Eisenhower to run for president in 1952 and to accept Nixon as his running-mate, and then supported Nixon's presidential bid in 1960. A nice, tight little script that was interrupted only by Nixon's failure to win the 1960 election.

But, give or take a little crooked vote-counting in Chicago and elsewhere, I can't see the "coup" side of Kennedy's campaign. If there were powerful interests supporting him behind the scenes, I'm not aware of them. And despite some cosmetic improvements, US foreign policy didn't change all that much. Allen Dulles was still around, at least at first -- and even after he left, the CIA continued on its course of coups and assassinations. Averell Harriman was still there stirring the Vietnam pot in 1963. And figures like McGeorge Bundy (another Skull and Bones alumnus) were prominent and powerful.

By 1963, I was tremendously disillusioned with Kennedy for just those reasons.

So, aside from Prescott Bush's inexplicable fondness for Richard Nixon, what did Kennedy's election really derail? I just can't make this one add up.

[H2O Man]

279. I'd lean towards "delay," as opposed to your "derail"

and recommend Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty's book. There are other sources that detail the changes in the structure of the economy that might also be of interest. At the same time, I recognize that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs about that administration, and how it fit into our history. It's interesting to speculate how a bush administration would react to similar situations as say the Bay of Pigs, the missle crisis, as well as little things like the awarding of defense contracts, the Phoenix program, and a few others. I think in that context, the differences between the Kennedy school of thought and the extreme right are stark indeed. But that's just my opinion, and there's always room for other opinions.

[Pallas180]

258. STAR- the here and now. I thought Kofi Annan would fight back

and defeat dimson's moves. He hasn't and has allowed the UN to become
marginalized.

When dimson was preparing war, we wrote him and the French embassy
that under an old UN rule Dimson could be stopped and declared a criminal. Nothing.

I realize the UN has been acting in a passive aggressive way with some
results - but they should be asking for a vote on the illegality of this war and making him a war criminal.

[daria_g]

227. Bout

I did some digging a few months back through Lexis-Nexis archives on him, because I'm interested in African politics.. as are all the big oil companies.. Blogger Soj has done a lot of research so check her site if you're interested:

http://www.weblog.ro/soj?day=17&month=5&year=2004⛅
New York Times magazine article:
"Bout made his base the emirate of Sharjah, with its notorious ''airport of convenience'' for planes registered in countries like the Central African Republic and Liberia. It was here that he met (his friend/associate Richard) Chichakli, who was the founding director of Sharjah's free-trade zone. (Chichakli says he is a nephew of the former president of Syria and the son of a former Syrian under secretary of defense; he also did a stint in the U.S. Army and ''trained in aviation and intelligence,'' he told me. He agreed that he seemed overqualified for his work as a Dallas C.P.A.).
-snip-
Starting in 1995, Bout expanded his air-freight operations to Ostend, Belgium, and later to Odessa, Ukraine. Eleven years earlier, Ostend had been a transit point for weapons in the Iran-contra operation, leaving behind a comfortable precedent and logistical mechanisms for arms traffickers."

Victor Bout's American Connection
http://www.publicintegrity.org/bow/report.aspx?aid=159
Chichakli is the nephew of a former president of Syria and a veteran of the U.S. Army, a family friend of the bin Ladens who hung out with a youthful Osama and ran a free-trade zone in the United Arab Emirates. According to the United Nations, Chichakli also served as the financial overseer of arms trader Victor Bout's far-flung network of air cargo operations.
-snip-
In the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Chichakli claims he was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to assist bin Laden family members living in the United States. "FBI acted absolutely wonderfully," he said, then remarked of the bin Laden family that that's how it goes when one has friends in high places.
-snip-
Chichakli is the agent for several companies registered in Texas.
-snip
Bout also had a company, Air Cess Incorporated, in Miami, Florida.

From CNN in 2002:
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: This Russian, Victor Bout, known to U.S. intelligence for years as the world's most notorious arms trafficker, is now the subject of an international manhunt. CNN has learned that British military intelligence recently found documents and other evidence in Afghanistan that they believe proves Bout supplied arms to the Taliban and al Qaeda right up until September 11.
-snip-

STARR: Two U.S. intelligence sources tell CNN there is also circumstantial evidence that Bout has shipped weapons technology into Iraq. U.S. intelligence believes he may have supplied Baghdad with a sophisticated missile guidance set. U.S. military officials urgently want Bout in custody to ask him about any possible link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

[daria_g]

231. Air Bas

Is Bout's company, based in UAE.

Why is it on the customer list here?
http://www.desc.dla.mil/
www.desc.dla.mil/DCM/Files/Quick_Ref_Domestic_Customers.pdf

(HTML version of this PDF file, from the Google cache)
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:0TjCtkA84PUJ:www.desc.dla.mil/DCM/Files/Quick_Ref_Domestic_Customers.pdf+&hl=en

<b>Some sources on arms trading - notice all the forged documents on weapons sales? Much like.. uh.. forged documents on sales of uranium?</b>

http://www.utoronto.ca/crees/faculty/kuzio9.htm
A picture of Ukraine's illicit trade in arms can be now gleaned from millionaire gunrunner Leonid Minin, who was arrested in Italy in August 2000.
-snip-
In Minin's Milan hotel room, Italian police officers found $150,000 in cash and half a million dollars in African diamonds. There was also a cache of 1,500 documents detailing his dealings in oil, timber, gems, and guns.
-snip-
Marchuk claims that as head of the SBU he stopped the illegal trade in arms that some officers in the Ministry of Defense with Dmytro Strashynsky, whose license was revoked, had been undertaking . Strashynsky is also being held in an Italian prison.

On 4 January, the Prosecutor-General's Office launched an inquiry into the allegations. <b>Strashynsky is accused of forging end- user certificates for Nigeria, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Ecuador, and Guinea -- which provides a glimpse into the global reach of these exports.</b> The TU-controlled TV station Era alleges that documents it has received from Italy show that Marchuk persuaded Kravchuk to sell weapons to Strashynsky, that the Prohres company that had contracts with him was under the SBU's "protection," and that Marchuk supervised Strashynsky's activities in Ukraine.

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/vbout7.htm
Belgian authorities issued an international arrest warrant for Bout last week following the admission by Sunjivan Ruprah, a Kenyan diamond mine owner, that Bout was in the pockets of money launderers and diamond traders working for wanted terrorist Osama Bin Laden.

Ruprah, who is currently being held in Belgium, told UN investigators last year that Slovak Peter Jusko was "one of the main suppliers of false end-user certificates to his (Bout's) organisation". He said <b>forged end-user certificates, used to conceal the true identities of arms purchasers,</b> could be obtained from Jusko in a matter of hours for $50,000.

But Jusko, who the UN placed at the centre of an arms ring supplying African countries, told the investigation team that he knew nothing of Bout's organisation. Slovak police would not reveal the details of their investigation, other than to say it covers all possible aspects of Al-Qaida financing.

[daria_g]

232. One more thing

A peculiar detail from an interview with Bout. Is he referring to the Office of Special Plans at the Pentagon in March 2002? How did he know that it existed and what it was tasked to do? There are no articles that I can find (Lexis-Nexis) on the OSP earlier than a piece in the New Yorker by Seymour Hersh from December 2002, quoted below..

Copyright 2002 Federal News Service, Inc.
Official Kremlin Int'l News Broadcast
March 1, 2002, Friday

VIKTOR BOUT: NEXT THEY'LL SAY I WORKED WITH BIN LADEN

Q: It has been suggested that the Belgian special services are interested in you because among other things, you are thought to be a major player in the illegal markets of precious stones. Allegedly, you were paid in diamonds for carrying arms to UNITA in Angola. And because Belgium is the main client for Angolan diamond mines, its concern that may infringe on its economic interests is well-grounded.

A: Well, if I am a major player in the precious stones market, I would be known on Pelican Strasse in Antwerp. I had an office there... What does it mean to be an illegal trader? I have never dealt with diamonds. This is just a lie, another touch added to my portrait being built up by the Western media. Every day somebody adds fuel to the fire. But don't forget that the US has set up a special unit at the Pentagon whose task is to launch all sorts of cock-and-bull stories. I think this is an instance of such an operation.

--------
Seymour Hersh
MANHUNT: The Bush Administration's new strategy in the war against terrorism.
December 23, 2002

Rumsfeld, in addition to his conflicts with the military, began what amounted to a public fight with the C.I.A. this fall, over the agency's inability to document significant direct ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq. It was widely reported that Rumsfeld had set up an alternative intelligence-analysis shop under Douglas J. Feith, the Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy. Part of Feith's mission was to find evidence of a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Feith also oversees the vaguely named Office of Special Plans, which is directed by William J. Luti, and is the center of some of the most aggressive strategizing taking place in the Pentagon today.

[Pallas180]

242. Daria's post: Rumsfeld,Douglas Feith, William J. Luti=OSP

Luti is a name we dont know much about, Feith Neo-con, Rummy you know the name, but do you know more about him

google these names, especially William J. Luti. Let's find out whose
administations they have been in......If memory serves, Rummy was connected to Carlucci - but let's find out who really has taken over
our government and country.


Seymour Hersh
MANHUNT: The Bush Administration's new strategy in the war against terrorism.
December 23, 2002

Rumsfeld, in addition to his conflicts with the military, began what amounted to a public fight with the C.I.A. this fall, over the agency's inability to document significant direct ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq. It was widely reported that Rumsfeld had set up an alternative intelligence-analysis shop under Douglas J. Feith, the Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy. Part of Feith's mission was to find evidence of a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Feith also oversees the vaguely named Office of Special Plans, which is directed by William J. Luti, and is the center of some of the most aggressive strategizing taking place in the Pentagon today.

[shraby]

284. Office of special plans also includes

Abram N. Shulsky, Director
Col. William Bruner, Liaison to INC
Michael Rubin, Middle East specialist

Shulsky reported to William Luti who in turn reported to Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney.

[Pallas180]

238. COULD WE PUT ILLICIT ARMS TRADING IN SEPARATE THREAD PLS?

our major thrust here is to bring attention to the Plame investigation
and illegal doings of our own government = hopefully to help affect
a "change in regime" in our own country and with any luck have the whole nest of vipers - at least the up front ones gone - but dont forget they've been sitting quietly in govt as bureaucrats for 30 years since Nixon and affecting decisions, the House of Reps, the entire balance of government.....working to this time in history for 30 years,. They ought to be declared illegal like communists in this
country.

If we get off onto the issue of illicit arms trading, which certainly
ties into swelling their pocketbooks - we'll be taken far abroad and afield, IMHO

[starroute]

237. Possible Viktor Bout connection with Marc Rich

I found I already had this in my files. It's from the LaRouchies, whose biases are pretty obvious, but I think this piece of information is probably reliable. The word "reportedly" in the story is a considerable hedge, though. I'd like to see something more solid on it.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3001sharon_mafiya.html

January 10, 2003

EIR's ongoing investigation into the Russian Mafiya's current drive to consolidate a vise-like grip over Israel, via Sharon's re-election on Jan. 28, has found that all roads, eventually, lead to Zug, Switzerland and fugitive commodity trader Marc Rich. If the Russian Mafiya has one "Godfather," it is Rich.

<snip>

Rich, for decades, had the exclusive foreign contract to market Russian minerals and precious metals; his Soviet and Russian ties also involved massive international arms sales—some recent deals, reportedly, in partnership with Viktor Bout, the most notorious of the Russian black market gun-runners, who shares a base of operations with Rich in the tiny Arab Emirate of Sharjah, a well-known smugglers' haven, adjacent to the money-laundering capital of the Persian Gulf, Dubai. Bout has been linked to major arms sales to the Afghan Taliban, and to Liberia's Charles Taylor and the murderous Revolutionary United Front (RUF) rebels in neighboring Sierra Leone. Rich, long ago, established Liberia and Sierra Leone as two of his major African bases, dealing in "blood diamonds." Further, Bout's arms sales to the Taliban were carried out with Vadim Rabinovich, Loutchansky's Ukrainian Nordex partner!

[Wilber_Stool]

221. Found this early in June.

Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-01-04 05:08 PM
Original message
Something big coming. Something bad. Very soon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1701699

Don't know if this matters. Thats your job.

[Lestatdelc]

228. FBI...?

Ok, I know that there are times when the FBI investigates crimes overseas, specifically Jo'Oneil headed a task force form the FBI, and green-lighted by Janet Reno to investigate the Cole bombing in Yemen.

Am I reading too much into the fact the FBI has been asked by Sen. Rockefeller to investigate the source of the forged Niger documents that the Italian journalist passed on to the IAEA...?

Does this give a hint that the source might be domestic and NOT overseas, or is that wall of FBI (domestic) CIA (foreign) a misreading on my part...?

[H2O Man]

244. Good morning, Sisters and Brothers!

It is a beautiful day! Life is a miracle! I take this brief moment to express my appreciation for all of the beauty of life!

Now: What are we going to do? We have been having a wonderful discussion of the Plame investigation ..... both the "hows" and the "whys" of this very complicated conflict in American values. But Friend Pallas180 has suggested that it is high time we leave the comfort we find as mere spectators, and become active participants ....which is the very definition of democracy. Let's do it!

There has been some brief discussion on tactics .... and even "weapons," and I want to address my feelings on that: our best "weapons" are found in the Bill of Rights. Those concepts are greater and have more of the power needed to bring about positive change than anything --ANYTHING-- that the enemies of the Constitution have.

This week, my friends, the shit is going to hit the fan. Wilson is not going to sit back and allow the White House and republican senators to lie about Niger, yellow cake, and forged documents. I am confident that Wilson is going to respond (not "react") to this manipulative nonsense being peddled now ..... the information I posted last night from John dean's review of Wilson's book ... regarding Novak's conversation with a total stranger a week before he exposed Plame .... shows what a lie this all is.

I suggest that we try one tactic this week. The tactic has five closely related, almost identical parts. In fact, these five parts can be viewed as fingers on a fist .... alone, our enemy can break a single finger, but when we put them together, we have a powerful fist, thanks to that beautiful Bill of Rights!

I want everyone to be sure to read calimary's posts 202,204, &212. Then, consider writing a short letter, noting the Plame Grand Jury investigation, Klein's information per Plame being involved in a WMD sting at the time she was exposed, and the need for justice. I propose we target five sources (the "fingers"):

(1) TIME magazine, for very obvious reasons. Let them see the need to take this story farther.
(2) Keith Olberman: he had the guts to waive copies of the three White House e-mails sent to discredit Wilson when he was the guest on the showe. Keith and David Gregory know the score in ways that might surprise you. (hint)
(3)NYS Rep. Charles Rangel: this man is honest, decent, and fearless. Plus, if he's going to talk about drafting our children, he owes it to us to get to the bottom of this.
(4) WesPAC: Gen. Wesley Clark is active, and knows the threat to American democratic practices. He also has some connections to CI/MI that are important.
(5) Your local "hometown" newspapers. Do not underestimate the power of this growing conflict.

We have the people on this thread who have the talent to spread this message to the rest of DU, as well as to other related interests. If we can concentrate on this simple message this week, I am convinced we will get results. Let's do it!

[H2O Man]

251. Always remember this! (RFK quote)

One of the most inspirational quotes from the transformed Robert Kennedy came while he was in South Africa:

The black people in that country were, of course, being denied their human rights in the same manner as our brothers and sisters in Florida were in 2000. But RFK stressed that no one should be discouraged by "the belief that there is nothing one man, or one woman, can do against the enormous array of the world's ills -- against misery and ignorance, injustice and violence .... Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work, to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation.

It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centres of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

Each letter we write is one of the tiny ripples of power. Let's get to it, my friends, and let justice flow like water throught the streets of our beloved nation.

[Pallas180]

252. G'Morning H20 - We're raring & ready to go, but we need some help

many of us find it easier to follow someone's pre printed letter and
then insert some of our own words.

So, may I suggest you do a letter here, containing all the points you want to get across as you would write it.

That will be helpful to a lot of us.



Next, I have spoken with Rangel's people and Conyers and e mailed inthe past about getting impeachment. They're great guys, but blocked in by the rethugs.

I'd like to send letters to everyone on the judiciary committee including the rethugs. the need to know the natives are restless and angry out here. They are the ones with the power to investigate and impeach. So I think we should google all members of judiciary and send the same letter. What do you think?

Next - Why Klein?

Next - Ron Brownstein on Meet the Press this morning..pretty open to the truth it seems, while the other panelists were spinning. How bout him and is he with Time?

Did you know what you started, when you started?

Guess you're coming out of retirement!

Looking forward to the prototype of letter you would send :D

smiling at you big time.

[H2O Man]

254. Good suggestion ....

I will put together a basic outline. I'll have it on here in a half hour or less.

I'm in favor of everyone making suggestions who we "lobby" with letters. I think that those who want to send more letters should be encouraged to. In particular, I would say to go to progressive media and congressional sources .... while there may be some pleasure found in letting the spineless skunks in the House and Senate know that we know the real deal ..... we may find that getting a positive response from five specific sources conveys that message in a clearer manner.

If you take a minute and think over all of the things that I've quoted from Klein's 7-5 article ..... and remember that I am in full agreement with our friends who say Klein has a spotty record at times ..... it will make perfect sense why we want to lobby Time and encourage Klein to tell a bit more of what he KNOWS. (grin)

Perhaps while I work on our rough draft, one of our research staff can post the addresses of our four listed targets for our letters.

[kohodog]

256. Perhaps an editorial type piece

For DU Home page, Common Dreams, Buzzflash, etc.

If I hadn't gotten on to this thread early it would have seemed quite intimidating and I might have passed it by. A synopsis might get more folks involved. I'd do it myself if I felt i could do it justice.

email is probably fine for news organizations, but should we send letters to our reps? I don't know which has more impact or if it's a relevant question today. Personally I get to emails faster than mail.

Let's go! Who's on board?

[Pallas180]

259. KOHO-hi I dont think they read emails so I Fax & call up or do snail mai

I'm very big on faxes myself. :)

I think they just count the number of e mails and never read the substance.....what do others think?

[H2O Man]

265. I think that it's important

to send a "hard copy" of any e-mail or fax. Everyone needs to decide for themselves ..... but it's almost like voting .... leave a paper trail!

Also: remember that Chris Matthews (on 7-21-03) called Wilson and provided him with information on the efforts to destroy his family. Matthews had enough guts to say he would go "on the record." Good man to lobby.

[H2O Man]

261. Here's a suggestion ......

Dear _________;

I am writing to express my concerns about on-going efforts to discredit Ambassador Joseph Wilson. In his NYT Op-Ed article "What I Didn't Find In Africa," Wilson exposed a claim by President Bush in his 2003 State of the Union Address to be untrue. Since that time, the White House has been involved in an effort to destroy Wilson's reputation, which included exposing his wife as a CIA operative.

In John Dean's review of Wilson's book (NYT Book Review; 5-23-04; pg9) he documents that two days after the op-ed article ran, journalist Robert Novak was telling people that Wilson's wife Valerie Plame was a CIS "weapons of mass destruction specialist."

Novak exposed Plame's identity in a 7-14-03 column. He sourced his story to two "senior administration officials." These two senior White House officials had lobbied at least six journalists to expose Plame in what Dean calls a "you-hurt-us-we-will-hurt-you warning" to those tempted to expose administration "misinformation."

When Wilson appeared on MSNBC's "Countdown," host Keith Olbermann held up three identical e-mails from the White House. Olbermann explained their intent was to discredit Wilson with their "talking points."

Wilson has noted that Sandy Berger, President Clinton's national security advisor pointed out that since the Bush people never back down, the fact that they had admitted an error after the op-ed article indicated "they must have something more important to protect." (The Politics of Truth, by Wilson; pg4)

Joseph Klein's 7-5-04 article in Time (Plenty More to Swear About; pg 21) reveals that Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components" when her identity was exposed by the White House. "Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the pay-roll," an intelligence source told Klein.

There is clearly more to this story than the White House and senate republicans are willing to tell the public. What investigation by Plame needed to be derailed by the White House? I hope that national leaders and the media will focus attention on this important issue.

Sincerely,



**** What do you think?

[Pallas180]

270. Ah H20, Ever the Subtle Diplomat. A lifetime of choosing words

carefully I expect. smile.

Since I appear to be unthreatening and a petite bit of fluff, I have a
lifetime of blurting out "what's on her lung, is on her tongue".

So I would shorten things up a bit, as so:

Dear ____________


Time magazine's Joe Klein's July 5 article, page 21 revealed that Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components"" when her identity was exposed by the White House. It also said" Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge" that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent.

1) Our study group has found that Vice President Cheney since 1995 as
CEO of Halliburton was fined 1.2 milion dollars for illegal sales of
similar components to Libya. Shortly before becoming Vice President he bitterly assailed US policy against selling such components to Syrria and Iran, which apparently hurt Halliburton's bottom line.

2) Our study group has also found that there is an investigation of Vice President Cheney in other countries for illegal bribery and various other offenses connected to Halliburton as well as paying amounts to secret Swiss bank accounts

3)The Atomic Energy Commission has said a North American company is one of 20 being investigated for black market sales of WMD materials.

Our study group suspects there is more to the White House revealing
Valerie Plame's covert CIA status since the Republicans refuse to hold investigations on the matter.

Frankly, it would appear to us that Valerie Plame was stopped in her tracks and the CIA sting operation was exposed because it was coming close to discovering another violation of the laws by our own Vice President and the Hallibuton company he has awarded billions of US taxpayer dollars to in non-bid contracts.

There is a question of where the Vice President's and President's loyalty lies: to their Corporate friends and company's bottom line or
to the security of America.

In any case, the exposure of Valerie Plame by the White House was and is treasonous.

The responsibility of the Media and Congress is to expose these wrong doings, safeguard, and investigate this type of occurrence for the American people.

When will you do your duty to me, my study group, and the rest of the
American people?

Sincerely

[coeur_de_lion]

272. thanks, H2O, that is just what we need n/t

[qanda]

274. I think it sounds great

It's conversational and not too conspiratorial, so as to turn people off. Please count me in whatever efforts to get the word out.

[kohodog]

292. My attempt

Dear_________;

I am writing about the outing of CIA Agent Valerie Plame. It seems that the Grand jury Investigation has wrapped up or will soon, but little has been mentioned of late. What may have been political payback to Joe Wilson for refuting the Niger yellowcake claims in the State of the Union address could have actually made this country a great deal less safe. According to Joseph Klein (Time 7-5-04--Plenty More to Swear About), Plame may have been "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components." If this is true (or even a possibility, those responsible must be brought to justice. I submit that underground trafficking of WMD components presents a far more imminent threat to our country than Saddam Hussein did. In my mind this certainly achieves the status of "High Crimes," and I urge you to not let this issue fall by the wayside. The security of our country may have been irretrievably harmed by a few high ranking officials and they must be brought to task.

Sincerely,


Any additions, thoughts??

[Pallas180]

298. WOW KOHO, I wish I was so short winded & to the point.

Great Letter.

[H2O Man]

306. Very good!

I like it a lot!

[kohodog]

308. Edited for the NY Times:

Dear_________;

July 14th is the Anniversary of Robert Novak's column exposing Valerie Plame as a CIA agent. It seems that the Grand jury Investigation has wrapped up or will soon, but little has been mentioned of late. What may have been political payback to Joe Wilson for refuting the Niger yellowcake claims in the State of the Union address could have actually made this country a great deal less safe. According to Joseph Klein (Time 7-5-04--Plenty More to Swear About), Plame may have been "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components." If this is true, those responsible must be brought to justice, regardless of their true motives. I submit that underground trafficking of WMD components presents a far more imminent threat to our country than Saddam Hussein did. In my mind this certainly achieves the status of "High Crimes," and I urge you to not let this issue fall by the wayside. The security of our country may have been irretrievably harmed by a few high ranking officials and they must be brought to task.

Sincerely,

[Beam Me Up]

262. YES!!! This is what I wanted. COUNT ME IN!!!!

Together we can do this -- and we can work to spread the word to our own circles. I have many friends. FEW of them are interested in DU -- however, I keep them informed about what is really going on by talking with them and educating them with email.

Once we have this information, I will approach several of them in person with this information and ask them to help out with this matter.

ONE MORE THING: We MAY be able to get MoveOn.org to work in this direction. I will certainly mention this after the "OutFoxed" house party we'll be having A WEEK FROM TODAY. That will be just a few days after the 14th -- the pot will be bubblin' I bet!!

BMU

[frank frankly]

263. I'll write a letter by 5pm today. Nothing special, but my own words...

Like Malcolm said: keep it simple.

[iconoclastic cat]

257. Hello, Pallas, H2O and all: I'm going to try my hand at a letter.

Not this second, mind you, because I've only been awake for fifteen minutes.

H2O Man, I was thinking about your clarity yesterday, and I wondered if you might be the one to prod us into action, and here you are, doing just that.

When I look around at my 900 or so posts, I wonder, what have I done? I send up a signal across the ether, and wait for someone to flash a signal back. H2O Man and Pallas, however, have suggested a way to have a real effect.

Here is what I have been thinking: while the readers of this thread, myself included, know a little about these issues, we might find ourselves bogged down in days of research if we try to make sure our assertions are correct. To help in this effort, I think there should be a sub-thread in which we draft, critique and edit our letters. This way, the end results will still be original, but the essential information and message will not be lost.

I think that we do need to compile a list of objectives and topics as an aid, but we must try to be somewhat original in these letters. I have had to listen to Republicans parrot each other for so long that I have become unable to tolerate that mode of discourse. "Talking points" are not supposed to be a script, but I have noticed that every time one of these Bushco sycophants starts talking, they sound like they have everything memorized. I have been most impressed by the liberal/progressive voices, the vast majority of whom seem more like a united front than an assembly-line product.

Sasha Sokolov said in A School for Fools: "All right, but how do you begin? What words do you use? It makes no difference, use the words..." We should put down our hesitation and start typing.

(I'll try a draft in a minute, then check back. Let me know if this is a silly idea.)

[iconoclastic cat]

271. Yikes! Read this editorial in the Chicago Sun-Times!

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn11.html

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Do you remember a year ago when the Democratic National Committee was putting out press releases headlined ''President Bush Deceives The American People"?

Yawn. What's new? But last summer the Bush Lie Of The Week was all to do with Saddam trying to buy uranium from Niger. CNN and Co. replayed endlessly the critical 16 words from the president's 2003 State of the Union Address:

''The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Sixteen words that could break a presidency! Bush ''misled every one of us,'' huffed Sen. John Kerry. ''It's beginning to sound like Watergate,'' said Howard Dean. Joseph C. Wilson IV, the man the CIA sent to Africa to investigate, wrote a piece for the New York Times titled ''What I didn't find in Africa.''

Can you guess what he didn't find, dear reader? That's right, he didn't find a big package of uranium bearing the address label ''S. Hussein, Suite 27, the Saddam Hussein Centre for Armageddon Studies, Saddam Hussein Parkway, Baghdad.'' Ambassador Wilson said relax, he'd been to Niger, spent "eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people,'' and there's nothing going on.

Well, on Wednesday in London, Lord Butler will publish his report into the quality of the intelligence on which rested Britain's case for going to war with Iraq. The report is said to be critical of some of Tony Blair's claims, supportive of others. And, among the latter, he says that the statements about Iraq and Niger are justified and supported by the intelligence. In other words, the British Government did learn that Saddam Hussein did seek significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

As a gazillion e-mails a day shrieked from my in-box back then, ''BUSH LIED!!!!!!" So where exactly in that State of the Union observation is the lie?

(more)
****

Okay, now this looks like there is some sort of proof. Have the Brits been holding out on us? What is going on?

[Pallas180]

276. don't be silly. Cover-up to save Tony's arse. I like Blair but he's

been roasted and turned over to broil for hanging with dimson.
He tried to resign this week, before he would be thrown out by vote,
and was talked out of resigning.

[iconoclastic cat]

277. While I am prone to sillyness,

I am still concerned by what I read in that editorial, Pallas.

Are you saying that the report by the British will not say what Steyn claims will be said?

[Pallas180]

281. ICONO - I'm not calling you silly, I'm saying Lord Butler and

the Chicago editorial is part of the ongoing big time cover-up
back-up, attack to discredit Wilson and save Tony's and Dimson's
chestnuts -

[Pallas180]

287. ICONO-today's Guardian refuting Chicago editorial

http://www.guardian.co.uk/butler/story/0,14750,1258812,00.html






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Special report: the Butler report












In this section
Leader: Truth must not be a casualty again


Andrew Rawnsley: What Tony Blair would say to God


Butler report: gaps in our intelligence


Butler report: did our spies let us down?


Butler report: Charles Kennedy questions judgments that led to war


Spy chiefs 'withdrew' Saddam arms claim


Butler report: the dissenting voices


Butler report: the key players


Butler report: the claims and the reality


The 10 key questions Butler must answer


Leakwatch: the Butler report


Richard Norton-Taylor: A chance to name the guilty men


Butler to warn of intelligence misuse


Butler puts law chief in war spotlight


Date set for Butler WMD report


Spy chiefs 'withdrew' Saddam arms claim

Gaby Hinsliff and Antony Barnett
Sunday July 11, 2004
The Observer

Tony Blair's claim that Saddam Hussein posed a 'current and serious' threat to Britain is challenged by dramatic new allegations today that Britain's spy chiefs have retracted the intelligence on which it was based.
The supposed proof that the Iraqi dictator was still trying, even in the run-up to war, to produce chemical and biological weapons became crucial to the Prime Minister's case for urgent military action rather than waiting for inspectors to finish their task.

Yet, according to a senior intelligence source interviewed by BBC1's Panorama tonight, MI6 has since taken the rare step of withdrawing the intelligence assessment that underpinned the claim that Saddam had continued to produce WMD - an admission that it was fundamentally unreliable.

The charge leaves Blair open to serious questions over why, if the nature of the proof had changed, he did not tell the public that the evidence of WMD was crumbling beneath him.

It will increase speculation that he may be forced to disown chunks of the controversial September dossier on banned weapons when Lord Butler publishes his report this week on the handling of intelligence on Iraq.

Yesterday, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, weighed into the debate, warning that Blair would be judged before God for his actions over Iraq and suggesting he would struggle with his conscience. Asked how Blair would account for himself, Williams answered: 'At the judgment seat.' For Christians, that is the point of entry either to heaven or to hell. 'When you acknowledge that you have taken a risk which has not paid off, which has cost, and that cost does not seem be justified, that's the punishment,' he added.

_______________________________

Chicago has been the hotbed of rethuglicanism which produced Starr and impeachment efforts of Big Dawg.

[iconoclastic cat]

290. Wow, you're quick!

reading...

[Ugnmoose]

305. Blair is Bush's Mine Canary

The main difference between Great Britain and the U.S. is that the British media and most politicos are hitting hard at putting the blame for the Iraq War firmly on the shoulder of "The Poodle". This latest round is potentially devastating to Blair and his ability to stay in office. My thinking is it is only a matter of time that the screws are tightened so much that he will have to resign or face a vote of no-confidence. Once this happens Bush will no longer be abled to save any face whatsoever, given that these two are so closely bound at the hip. I would like to think that implicating Bush in the Plame outing could be the first step towards putting the wheels in motion. Anyway, I suspect things are going to get very interesting as these events unfold and start to tie together.

[iconoclastic cat]

288. Will this attack be effective?

Also, is this the big event that you, H2O Man and others have been discussing? If it is, I don't see how this will be worthy of celbration.

I was under the impression that the big event was the handing down of indictments, which will now be postponed (or so I understand).

Thanks for taking the time to clarify!

[Lestatdelc]

318. British White Paper CYA

This is referring the British White paper, which still has no "there" there in the foreign service export. The claims of Nigerian Uranium is still bunk. The only quantities that were alleged to be sought by Iraq in the UK White Paper turned out to be headed for France, not Iraq.

Iraq already had several hundred tones of yellow-cake in-country, and were under IAEA monitoring prior to the '98 exodus of inspectors.

The claim simply doesn't make ANY sense, since Iraq already had sufficient yellow-cake for any possible program use and we knew that LONG before these bogus claims that Iraq ought more yellow-cake. Even the CIA didn't do any real follow up on the foriegn service reports it was getitng because the CIA knew Iraq had all the yellowcake it would ever need if it ever did want to restart a program. This is why the CIA focused (although in the end was an equal spurious claim) on the Aluminum tubes for the centrifuges because the yellow-cake angle made NO sense, and provided ZERo credible indication of anything other than fabricated and exaggerated claims. Even the Senate Iraq intel commission report explains this.

This is total crappola public relations CYA.

[H2O Man]

275. I imagine we will be hearing a response from Wilson soon.

However, for those interested in the truth, read the first chapter of Wilson's book. It details his investigation in Niger. Keep in mind that the agency sent Wilson on a mission to investigate VP cheney's concerns about an unsubstantiated report that first appeared in a British white paper in September 2002, claiming that Iraq had recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Niger.

Keep in mind that this information had NOT been submitted by the State Dept to the International Atomic Energy Agency until Feb. '03, AFTER the president's State of the Union speech. On 3-7, the IAEA went on record as saying the documents were "not authentic," and on 3-8, the State Dept admitted it had been taken in by forgeries.

The State Dept already had three reports in their files from the past year, by American Ambassador Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick and 4 Star Marine Corps General Carleton Fulford, showing the documents to be fakes. Even Panorama, the Italian magazine that first "received" the documents, declined to publish them.

Wilson did a bit more than drink mint tea in Niger. He met with a series of officials and businesspeople. First, he documented that there was no official sale of yellow cake uranium to Iraq. Next, he addressed why there could not have been "an off-the-books transaction," that could possibly be untraced.

For anyone to seriously think that Niger sold Iraq 500 tons of uranium as claimed in the "document," or even 50 tons, and that thousands of barrels were secretly shipped to Iraq ..... and that Wilson is wrong in claiming it NEVER HAPPENED ..... and that this "fact" justifies the invasion of Iraq .... well, it simply begs the question: where did Saddam hide all of those barrels of yellow cake?

[Pallas180]

278. CONTACT CONGRESS & LEADERSHIP ADDRESSES:

Fax Numbers of US Congress

http://www.no-smoking.org/feb97/2-17-97-01.html


Congressional Leadership

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/leadership.cgi?site=ctc


Congressional Committees & Subcommittees

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/committee_list.cgi?site=ctc


Misc. Contact Congress

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/search.html

[iconoclastic cat]

280. Thanks!

I'm saving that on a new .html doc for my own reference.

[Pallas180]

282. CALIMARY MEDIA CONTACT LIST

Can send to all at once if you put comma after each address

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UPDATED APRIL 15, 2004 - NOTE: This is L-O-N-G!

Since I last posted this stuff as just a previous thread reference(the latter half of this), I realized I've since updated my own master list with more contributions I've come across from others here. I apologize for those I've inadvertently not credited. anarchy1999's MOST excellent compilation starts this out - many thanks for the inspiration to formally submit to the DU "library."

Because this info is so long, I will only repost if there are many choice new updates or noteworthy additions.

Please feel free to bookmark or otherwise copy, and use at your pleasure.

Air America Radio: 1 -866-303-2270
TOLL FREE Capitol Hill Switchboard - 1 (800) 839 - 5276
They'll transfer you to anybody's office in the House and/or Senate, just for the asking!


ABC News - John Cochran, Chief Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News (and ABC Radio News) - Ann Compton, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Sam Donaldson, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 22036-4407

ABC News - John Donvan, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Tamala Edwards, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Terry Moran, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Carole Simpson, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Katy Textor, 27 [e-mail]

AP - Ron Fournier, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2021 K St NW, Washington, DC 20006

AP - Jennifer Loven, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2021 K St NW, Washington, DC 20006

Bloomberg News - Richard Keil (aka "Stretch"), White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1399 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Bloomberg News - Heidi Przybyla, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1399 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Bloomberg News - Holly Rosenkrantz, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1399 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 200

Business Week - Richard S. Dunham, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1200 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005-3802

Business Week - Alexandra Starr, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn to Alexandra Starr) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1200 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005-3802

Catholic News Service - Patricia Zapor, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 3211 4th St NE, Washington, DC 20017-1100

CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) - Melissa Charbonneau, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1111 19th St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) - Paul Strand, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1111 19th St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - Rita Braver, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - Joie Chen, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News (and CBS Radio News) - Mark Knoller, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS Radio News - Peter Maer, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - John Roberts, Senior White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn John Roberts) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 524 W 57th St, New York, NY 10019-2902

CBS News - Bill Plante, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - John Schieffer, Chief Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Bob Schieffer) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - Susan Spencer, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Susan Spencer) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 524 W 57th St, New York, NY 10019

Christian Science Monitor - Linda Feldmann, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 910 16th St NW, Washington, DC 20006

Christian Science Monitor - Abraham McLaughlin, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 910 16th St NW, Washington, DC 20006

CNBC - Hampton Pearson, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Common Dreams - Russell Mokhiber [e-mail] Website: http://www.commondreams.org /

Copley News Service - George Condon, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 1100 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Diego below)

Copley News Service - Finlay Lewis, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 1100 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Diego below)

Cox Newspapers - Bob Deans, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20001 (Pres. of White House Correspondents Assn.)

Cox Newspapers - George Edmondson [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Atlanta Journal-Constitution below)

Cox Newspapers - Melanie Eversley [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Atlanta Journal-Constitution below)

Cox Newspapers - Mei-Ling Hopgood, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20001 (see Dayton Daily News below)

Cox Newspapers - Chuck Lindell, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Austin American-Statesman below)

Cox Newspapers - Larry Lipman, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Palm Beach Post below)

CNN News - Charles Bierbauer, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

CNN News - John King, Senior White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

CNN News - Suzanne Malveaux, White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

CNN Radio - Dick Uliano, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

Dow Jones News Service - Alex Keto, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Fox News - Jim Angle, Senior White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Major Garrett, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Wendell Goler, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Molly Henneberg, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Brit Hume, Chief Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - James Rosen, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Collins Spencer, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Brian Wilson, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Gannett News Service - Doug Abrahms, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Reno Gazette-Journal below)

Gannett News Service - Larry Bivins, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Nashville Tennessean below)

Gannett News Service - Faith Bremner, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Boise Idahoan Statesman below)

Gannett News Service - Pam Brogan, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - James Carroll, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Louisville Courier-Journal below)

Gannett News Service - Raju Chebium, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Greenville News below)

Gannett News Service - Dick DePledge, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Honolulu Advertiser below)

Gannett News Service - Jon Frandsen, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Maureen Groppe, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Indianapolis Star below)

Gannett News Service - John Hanchette, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Billy House, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Phoenix Arizona Republic below)

Gannett News Service - Erin Kelly, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Burlington Free Press below)

Gannett News Service - Mike Madden, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Sioux Falls Argus Leader below)

Gannett News Service - Deborah Mathis, White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Jane Norman, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Des Moines Register below)

Gannett News Service - Ana Radelat, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Jackson Clarion-Ledger below)

Gannett News Service - Susan Roth, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Katherine Scott, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Lansing State Journal and Norwich Bulletin below)

Gannett News Service - Brian Tumulty, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Carl Weiser, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Cincinnati Enquirer below)

Hearst News Service - Gary Martin, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 (see San Antonio below)

Hearst News Service - Charles Pope, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 (see Seattle below)

Hearst News Service - Stewart Powell, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

Hearst News Service - Helen Thomas, 82, White House Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

al-Jazeera - Hafez al-Mirazi

Jewish Telegraphic Agency - Sharon Samber, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Koenig's International News - Bill Koenig [e-mail] ("Christian News")

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Ruby Bailey, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Detroit Free Press below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Alan Bjerga, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Wichita Eagle below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Frank Davies, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Miami Herald below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - David Goldstein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Kansas City Star below) also [e-mail]

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Steve Goldstein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Charles Hurt, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Charlotte Observer below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Ron Hutcheson, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20045

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Tim Johnson, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Miami Herald below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Lauren Markoe, Washington Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Chris Mondics, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Philadelphia Inquirer below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Peter Nicholas, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Philadelphia Inquirer below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Jim Puzzanghera, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Jose below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Maria Recio, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Fort Worth Star-Telegram below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Matt Stearns, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Kansas City Star below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Tom Webb, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Saint Paul Pioneer Press below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Kevin Diaz, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Greg Gordon, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Rob Hotakainen, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Liz Ruskin, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Anchorage Daily News below)

McClatchy Newspapers - John Wagner, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Raleigh News & Observer below)

Media General News Service - Kevin Begos, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Winston-Salem Journal below)

Media General News Service - Keith Epstein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Tampa Tribune below)

Media General News Service - John Hall, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Media General News Service - Peter Hardin, Washington Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Richmond Times-Dispatch below)

Media General News Service - Kirsten Mitchell, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Medill News Service - Samantha Santa Maria, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1325 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Gulfport Sun Herald below)

Nation Magazine - John Nichols, Washington Correspondent (fantastic guy - why can't John be at the Press conferences?!?!) [e-mail] (attn John Nichols) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 110 Maryland Ave NE, Washington, DC 20002

NBC News - Campbell Brown, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4001 Nebraska Ave NW, Washington, DC 20016

NBC News - David Gregory, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4001 Nebraska Ave NW, Washington, DC 20016

Newhouse News Service - Bruce Alpert, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see New Orleans below)

Newhouse News Service - Jim Barnett, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Portland Oregonian below)

Newhouse News Service - Robert Cohen, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Newark Star-Ledger below)

Newhouse News Service - Terence Kivlan, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Newhouse News Service - Mark Libbon, Washington Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Syracuse Post-Standard below)

Newhouse News Service - Brett Lieberman, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Harrisburg Patriot-News below)

Newhouse News Service - Mary Orndorff, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Newhouse News Service - Scott Orr, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Newark Star-Ledger below)

Newhouse News Service - Sean Reilly, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Mobile Register below)

Newhouse News Service - Bill Walsh, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see New Orleans Times-Picayune below)

Newsday - Deborah Barfield Berry, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1730 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

Newsday - Kenneth Fireman, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1730 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

Newsweek Magazine - Martha Brant (aka "Martita"), White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Martha Brant) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1750 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/834704.asp

New Yorker Magazine - Seymour Hersch, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Seymour Hersch) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

New Yorker Magazine - Joe Klein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

New Yorker Magazine - Nicholas Lemann, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

New Yorker Magazine - Jane Mayer, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

NPR - Mary Ann Akers, Washington Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753

NPR - Pam Fessler, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753

NPR - Don Gonyea, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone] Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753 Secrecy at the White House http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20030102.atc.13.ram

NPR - Jennifer Ludden, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753

Reuters America - Steve Holland, 46, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - Lawrence McQuillan, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Lawrence McQuillan) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see USA Today)

Reuters America - Randall Mikkelsen, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - Arshad Mohammed, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - David Wiellser, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn David Wiellser) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - Patricia Wilson, White House Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Salon - Jake Tapper, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1642 R St NW, Washington, DC 20009

Scripps-Howard News Service - Tom Hargrove, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1090 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Albuquerque Tribune and Birmingham Post-Herald below)

Scripps-Howard News Service - Jennifer Sergent, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1090 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Vero Beach Press Journal below)

Scripps-Howard News Service - Bill Straub, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1090 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Stephens Media Group - Tony Batt, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 666 11th St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Las Vegas Review-Journal)

Stephens Media Group - Samantha Young, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 666 11th St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Asheboro Courier-Tribune below)

Syndicated News International - Elizabeth Rabin, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2809 Bird Ave, Miami, FL 33133

Talk Radio News Service - Ellen Ratner, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Ellen Ratner) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1030 15th St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Talk Radio News Service - Gareth Schweltzer, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Gareth Schweltzer) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2541 Mill Rd NW, Washington, DC 20007

Talk Radio News Service - Adam Sharon, White House Correspondent : [e-mail] (attn Adam Sharon) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2541 Mill Rd NW, Washington, DC 20007

Time Magazine - Jay Carney, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn to Jay Carney) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 555 12th St NW, Washington, DC 20004

Time Magazine - John Dickerson, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn to John Dickerson) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 555 12th St NW, Washington, DC 20004

Univision - Lourdes Meluza, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 444 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

UPI - Kathy Gambrell, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: World Headquarters, 1510 H Street, Washington, DC 20005

UPI - Nicholas M. Horrock, White House Editor [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: World Headquarters, 1510 H Street, Washington, DC 20005

USA Radio Network - Connie Lawn, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2290 Springlake Rd, Dallas, TX 75234

USA Today - Mimi Hall, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

USA Today - Laurence McQuillan, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Reuters)

U.S. News & World Report - Kenneth Walsh, Chief White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1050 Thomas Jefferson St, Washington, DC 20007

Village Voice - James Ridgeway, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 1312 18th St NW, Washington, DC 20036

Wall Street Journal - Jeanne Cummings, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Wall Street Journal - Greg Hitt, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

WorldNet Daily - Les Kinsolving [e-mail]

(ALL of the above from DUer anarchy1999 - 4/2004)

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MSNBC-Phone: [phone]

Opinions: mailto:[e-mail]

News: mailto:[e-mail]

Letters to the Editor: mailto:[e-mail]

MSNBC on the Internet
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CNN: (404) 827 – 1500

CNN TV: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv /

CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/dotcom /

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And don’t forget the lovely and charming Brit Hume at the Pox Network…

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NOW with Bill Moyers Contacts:
Rick Byrne Diane Domondon
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Michael Moore, [e-mail]

John Kerry, [e-mail]


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Readers' Representative Office: http://www.latimes.com/services/site/la-comment-readers...

Los Angeles Times
202 W. 1st St.
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[phone]

The Times Orange County
1375 Sunflower Avenue
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[phone]

Los Angeles Times
Valley Edition
20000 Prairie Street
Chatsworth, CA 91311
[phone]
Los Angeles Times
Ventura County Edition
93 S. Chestnut Street
Ventura, CA 93001
[phone]
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New York Times:

PAUL KRUGMAN! [e-mail]

To Write The Publisher or President: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/infoservdi...

Letters to the Editor: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/infoservdi...

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
E-mail to [e-mail] .

OP-ED/EDITORIAL
For information on Op-Ed submissions, call [phone] or send article to [e-mail] " target="_blank">[e-mail]" target="_blank">[e-mail] . To write to the editorial page editor, send to [e-mail] .

NEWS DEPARTMENT
To send comments and suggestions (about news coverage only) or to report errors that call for correction, e-mail [e-mail] or leave a message at 1-888-NYT-NEWS.
The Editors
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The Newsroom
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PUBLIC EDITOR
To reach Daniel Okrent, who represents the readers, e-mail [e-mail] or call [phone].

TO WRITE THE PUBLISHER OR PRESIDENT

Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Chairman & Publisher:
[e-mail] .

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USA Today:

Letters to the Editor: http://www.usatoday.com/marketing/feedback/feedback-onl... ...

USA TODAY / USATODAY.com
7950 Jones Branch Drive
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Washington Post:

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How do I submit a letter to the editor?: http://washingtonpost.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/washingtonpo... ... *&p_li=

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The Washington Post
1150 15th Street Northwest
Washington, DC 20071
Phone: [phone]
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More:

National Newspapers: http://newslink.org/--news.html

Television by state: http://newslink.org/stattele.html

Radio by State: http://newslink.org/statradi.html

Networks-

Radio: http://newslink.org/netr.html

Television: http://newslink.org/nett.html


(CBS) 60 Minutes:

ADDRESS:
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PHONE: [phone]

TRANSCRIPTS: 1-800-777-TEXT

VIDEOTAPES: 1-800-848-3256

CBS “60 Minutes” email info:

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286. CALIMARY 2004 UPDATED EDITORS & MEDIA LIST

UPDATED APRIL 15, 2004 - NOTE: This is L-O-N-G!

Since I last posted this stuff as just a previous thread reference(the latter half of this), I realized I've since updated my own master list with more contributions I've come across from others here. I apologize for those I've inadvertently not credited. anarchy1999's MOST excellent compilation starts this out - many thanks for the inspiration to formally submit to the DU "library."

Because this info is so long, I will only repost if there are many choice new updates or noteworthy additions.

Please feel free to bookmark or otherwise copy, and use at your pleasure.

Air America Radio: 1 -866-303-2270
TOLL FREE Capitol Hill Switchboard - 1 (800) 839 - 5276
They'll transfer you to anybody's office in the House and/or Senate, just for the asking!


ABC News - John Cochran, Chief Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News (and ABC Radio News) - Ann Compton, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Sam Donaldson, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 22036-4407

ABC News - John Donvan, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Tamala Edwards, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Terry Moran, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Carole Simpson, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington, DC 20036

ABC News - Katy Textor, 27 [e-mail]

AP - Ron Fournier, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2021 K St NW, Washington, DC 20006

AP - Jennifer Loven, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2021 K St NW, Washington, DC 20006

Bloomberg News - Richard Keil (aka "Stretch"), White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1399 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Bloomberg News - Heidi Przybyla, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1399 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Bloomberg News - Holly Rosenkrantz, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1399 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 200

Business Week - Richard S. Dunham, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1200 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005-3802

Business Week - Alexandra Starr, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn to Alexandra Starr) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1200 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005-3802

Catholic News Service - Patricia Zapor, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 3211 4th St NE, Washington, DC 20017-1100

CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) - Melissa Charbonneau, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1111 19th St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) - Paul Strand, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1111 19th St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - Rita Braver, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - Joie Chen, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News (and CBS Radio News) - Mark Knoller, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS Radio News - Peter Maer, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - John Roberts, Senior White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn John Roberts) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 524 W 57th St, New York, NY 10019-2902

CBS News - Bill Plante, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - John Schieffer, Chief Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Bob Schieffer) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2020 M St NW, Washington, DC 20036

CBS News - Susan Spencer, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Susan Spencer) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 524 W 57th St, New York, NY 10019

Christian Science Monitor - Linda Feldmann, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 910 16th St NW, Washington, DC 20006

Christian Science Monitor - Abraham McLaughlin, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 910 16th St NW, Washington, DC 20006

CNBC - Hampton Pearson, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Common Dreams - Russell Mokhiber [e-mail] Website: http://www.commondreams.org /

Copley News Service - George Condon, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 1100 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Diego below)

Copley News Service - Finlay Lewis, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 1100 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Diego below)

Cox Newspapers - Bob Deans, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20001 (Pres. of White House Correspondents Assn.)

Cox Newspapers - George Edmondson [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Atlanta Journal-Constitution below)

Cox Newspapers - Melanie Eversley [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Atlanta Journal-Constitution below)

Cox Newspapers - Mei-Ling Hopgood, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20001 (see Dayton Daily News below)

Cox Newspapers - Chuck Lindell, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Austin American-Statesman below)

Cox Newspapers - Larry Lipman, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Palm Beach Post below)

CNN News - Charles Bierbauer, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

CNN News - John King, Senior White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

CNN News - Suzanne Malveaux, White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

CNN Radio - Dick Uliano, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 820 1st St NE, Washington, DC 20002

Dow Jones News Service - Alex Keto, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Fox News - Jim Angle, Senior White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Major Garrett, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Wendell Goler, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Molly Henneberg, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Brit Hume, Chief Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - James Rosen, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Collins Spencer, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Fox News - Brian Wilson, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

Gannett News Service - Doug Abrahms, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Reno Gazette-Journal below)

Gannett News Service - Larry Bivins, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Nashville Tennessean below)

Gannett News Service - Faith Bremner, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Boise Idahoan Statesman below)

Gannett News Service - Pam Brogan, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - James Carroll, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Louisville Courier-Journal below)

Gannett News Service - Raju Chebium, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Greenville News below)

Gannett News Service - Dick DePledge, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Honolulu Advertiser below)

Gannett News Service - Jon Frandsen, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Maureen Groppe, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Indianapolis Star below)

Gannett News Service - John Hanchette, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Billy House, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Phoenix Arizona Republic below)

Gannett News Service - Erin Kelly, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Burlington Free Press below)

Gannett News Service - Mike Madden, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Sioux Falls Argus Leader below)

Gannett News Service - Deborah Mathis, White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Jane Norman, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Des Moines Register below)

Gannett News Service - Ana Radelat, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Jackson Clarion-Ledger below)

Gannett News Service - Susan Roth, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Katherine Scott, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Lansing State Journal and Norwich Bulletin below)

Gannett News Service - Brian Tumulty, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Carl Weiser, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Cincinnati Enquirer below)

Hearst News Service - Gary Martin, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 (see San Antonio below)

Hearst News Service - Charles Pope, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 (see Seattle below)

Hearst News Service - Stewart Powell, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

Hearst News Service - Helen Thomas, 82, White House Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

al-Jazeera - Hafez al-Mirazi

Jewish Telegraphic Agency - Sharon Samber, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Koenig's International News - Bill Koenig [e-mail] ("Christian News")

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Ruby Bailey, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Detroit Free Press below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Alan Bjerga, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Wichita Eagle below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Frank Davies, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Miami Herald below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - David Goldstein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Kansas City Star below) also [e-mail]

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Steve Goldstein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Charles Hurt, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Charlotte Observer below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Ron Hutcheson, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: Washington Bureau, Washington, DC 20045

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Tim Johnson, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Miami Herald below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Lauren Markoe, Washington Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Chris Mondics, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Philadelphia Inquirer below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Peter Nicholas, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Philadelphia Inquirer below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Jim Puzzanghera, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see San Jose below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Maria Recio, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Fort Worth Star-Telegram below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Matt Stearns, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Kansas City Star below)

Knight-Ridder Newspapers - Tom Webb, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 700 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Saint Paul Pioneer Press below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Kevin Diaz, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Greg Gordon, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Rob Hotakainen, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Minneapolis Star-Tribune below)

McClatchy Newspapers - Liz Ruskin, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Anchorage Daily News below)

McClatchy Newspapers - John Wagner, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 420 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Raleigh News & Observer below)

Media General News Service - Kevin Begos, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Winston-Salem Journal below)

Media General News Service - Keith Epstein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Tampa Tribune below)

Media General News Service - John Hall, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Media General News Service - Peter Hardin, Washington Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045 (see Richmond Times-Dispatch below)

Media General News Service - Kirsten Mitchell, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1214 National Press Bldg, Washington, DC 20045

Medill News Service - Samantha Santa Maria, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1325 G St NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Gulfport Sun Herald below)

Nation Magazine - John Nichols, Washington Correspondent (fantastic guy - why can't John be at the Press conferences?!?!) [e-mail] (attn John Nichols) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 110 Maryland Ave NE, Washington, DC 20002

NBC News - Campbell Brown, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4001 Nebraska Ave NW, Washington, DC 20016

NBC News - David Gregory, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4001 Nebraska Ave NW, Washington, DC 20016

Newhouse News Service - Bruce Alpert, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see New Orleans below)

Newhouse News Service - Jim Barnett, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Portland Oregonian below)

Newhouse News Service - Robert Cohen, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Newark Star-Ledger below)

Newhouse News Service - Terence Kivlan, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Newhouse News Service - Mark Libbon, Washington Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Syracuse Post-Standard below)

Newhouse News Service - Brett Lieberman, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Harrisburg Patriot-News below)

Newhouse News Service - Mary Orndorff, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Newhouse News Service - Scott Orr, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Newark Star-Ledger below)

Newhouse News Service - Sean Reilly, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see Mobile Register below)

Newhouse News Service - Bill Walsh, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1101 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036 (see New Orleans Times-Picayune below)

Newsday - Deborah Barfield Berry, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1730 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

Newsday - Kenneth Fireman, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1730 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006

Newsweek Magazine - Martha Brant (aka "Martita"), White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Martha Brant) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1750 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/834704.asp

New Yorker Magazine - Seymour Hersch, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Seymour Hersch) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

New Yorker Magazine - Joe Klein, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

New Yorker Magazine - Nicholas Lemann, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

New Yorker Magazine - Jane Mayer, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 4 Times Sq, New York, NY 10036

NPR - Mary Ann Akers, Washington Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753

NPR - Pam Fessler, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753

NPR - Don Gonyea, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone] Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753 Secrecy at the White House http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20030102.atc.13.ram

NPR - Jennifer Ludden, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 635 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, DC 20001-3753

Reuters America - Steve Holland, 46, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - Lawrence McQuillan, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Lawrence McQuillan) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see USA Today)

Reuters America - Randall Mikkelsen, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - Arshad Mohammed, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - David Wiellser, Senior Washington Correspondent [e-mail] (attn David Wiellser) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Reuters America - Patricia Wilson, White House Correspondent : [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1333 H St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Salon - Jake Tapper, Washington Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1642 R St NW, Washington, DC 20009

Scripps-Howard News Service - Tom Hargrove, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1090 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Albuquerque Tribune and Birmingham Post-Herald below)

Scripps-Howard News Service - Jennifer Sergent, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1090 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Vero Beach Press Journal below)

Scripps-Howard News Service - Bill Straub, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1090 Vermont Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

Stephens Media Group - Tony Batt, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 666 11th St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Las Vegas Review-Journal)

Stephens Media Group - Samantha Young, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 666 11th St NW, Washington, DC 20001 (see Asheboro Courier-Tribune below)

Syndicated News International - Elizabeth Rabin, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2809 Bird Ave, Miami, FL 33133

Talk Radio News Service - Ellen Ratner, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Ellen Ratner) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1030 15th St NW, Washington, DC 20005

Talk Radio News Service - Gareth Schweltzer, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn Gareth Schweltzer) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2541 Mill Rd NW, Washington, DC 20007

Talk Radio News Service - Adam Sharon, White House Correspondent : [e-mail] (attn Adam Sharon) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2541 Mill Rd NW, Washington, DC 20007

Time Magazine - Jay Carney, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn to Jay Carney) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 555 12th St NW, Washington, DC 20004

Time Magazine - John Dickerson, White House Correspondent [e-mail] (attn to John Dickerson) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 555 12th St NW, Washington, DC 20004

Univision - Lourdes Meluza, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 444 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001

UPI - Kathy Gambrell, White House Correspondent [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: World Headquarters, 1510 H Street, Washington, DC 20005

UPI - Nicholas M. Horrock, White House Editor [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: World Headquarters, 1510 H Street, Washington, DC 20005

USA Radio Network - Connie Lawn, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 2290 Springlake Rd, Dallas, TX 75234

USA Today - Mimi Hall, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

USA Today - Laurence McQuillan, White House Reporter [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005 (see Reuters)

U.S. News & World Report - Kenneth Walsh, Chief White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1050 Thomas Jefferson St, Washington, DC 20007

Village Voice - James Ridgeway, Washington Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Address: 1312 18th St NW, Washington, DC 20036

Wall Street Journal - Jeanne Cummings, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

Wall Street Journal - Greg Hitt, White House Correspondent [e-mail] Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]; Address: 1025 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036

WorldNet Daily - Les Kinsolving [e-mail]

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289. MEDIA LIST OF INDIVIDUAL REPORTERS & PAPERS

forgive me, it's on the drudge rag site, but it's useful

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[RebelYell]

285. Outrage

These are the best threads anywhere about the state of our country.

Wondering aloud here....where is the outrage on our campuses? I'm noticing that the general age of the people willing to dissent are mostly likely the same people who dissented during 'Nam and the draft.

Why are the college kids ignoring the state of affairs today?

[Pallas180]

293. REBEL-I think there are some college aged kids and + on this thread

and I don;t believe the campuses are ignoring. Our media is
just not showing us.

and I do know that on one occasion when Cheney came to speak at
a college....those wonderful young people full of raw courage stood
up and turned their backs to him, silently, while he spoke.

On another occasion they demanded an apology for his giving a political speech bashing dems instead of a graduation speech.

I think they're there objecting, but our media is not covering it and
not publicizing the true American opinion of the cabal. If all of the
world is disgusted by him and his administration, is there any reason
to think the majority of Americans don't see the same thing or are stupider than the rest of the world?

Our misfortune is to have allowed fundamentalists to take over the
republican party and then corporations to take it over.

Mussolini said of his politics" In truth it should not be called
Fascism, it should be called Corporatism: the joining of the state with the corporations.

That is what exists in this country now.

[RebelYell]

309. Excuse my ignorance......

....I wasn't aware of those instances. Thanks, makes sense now.

[tjfreeman]

302. College kids

Been lurking here for awhile and enjoying this thread very much. To all the great posters:
:yourock:

I have some thought on the apathy of college kids (I teach at a local college):

1) no draft (as yet)
2) a college education these days only prepares kids for the marketplace, not citizenship
3) college kids (as a whole--if we are to generalize) are really no different from Americans as a people (generalizing again)--they have been blinded by the right for at least the last 25 years or so
4) no John Lennon

[RebelYell]

310. As I was saying.....

....a few days ago to my husband....."We need another John Lennon....and quick."

[HootieMcBoob]

315. the only problem with that is

that he/she wouldn't get played on the radio today. You know how it is - clearchannel etc. Nobody cares about music anymore it's all about appealing to the middle. The people who run radio stations don't know or care anything about music or anything other than money.

[Me.]

291. Perhaps Ambassador Wilson needs to be contacted!

Greetings everyone! Have been a lurker for a couple of years and am compelled by this thread to post. It occurred to me earlier, before the Sun Times post, that perhaps the Ambassador should be contacted about this thread. If only to let him know that there is support for him and, that we would all dearly love for him to watch his back. I have tried to find contact info for him but have come up short. What do you all think? And H2O Man, thank you and everyone else. You give me hope.

[Pallas180]

294. Nice Idea. I think if anyone were to contact or be able-its' H20

so what do you think H20?

I'd love to have him receive all 5 threads so that he would know
America is not as stupid as DC thinks us bumpkins are.

[Pallas180]

295. May be off for awhile folks - thunderstorms coming here.

:kick:

[Pallas180]

296. Meanwhile, MY LETTER refined, for Congress & Media

Dear ____________


Concerning Time magazine's Joe Klein's July 5 article, page 21 revealed that Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components"" when her identity was exposed by the White House. It also said" Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge" that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent.

1) Our study group has found that Vice President Cheney since 1995 as CEO of Halliburton was fined 1.2 milion dollars for illegal sales of similar components to Libya. Shortly before becoming Vice President he bitterly assailed US policy against selling such components to Syrria and Iran, which apparently hurt Halliburton's bottom line.

2) Our study group has also found that there is an investigation of Vice President Cheney in other countries for illegal bribery and various other offenses connected to Halliburton as well as paying amounts to secret Swiss bank accounts

3)The Atomic Energy Commission has said a North American company is one of 20 being investigated for black market sales of WMD materials.

Our study group suspects there is more to the White House revealing Valerie Plame's covert CIA status since the Republicans refuse to hold investigations on the matter.

Frankly, it would appear to us that possibly Valerie Plame was stopped in her tracks and the CIA sting operation was exposed because it was coming close to discovering another violation of the laws by our own Vice President and the Hallibuton company he has awarded billions of US taxpayer dollars to in non-bid contracts.

There is a question of where the Vice President's and President's loyalty lies: to their Corporate friends and company's bottom line or to the security and wellbeing of the America.n people?

In any case, the exposure of Valerie Plame by the White House was and is treasonous.

The responsibility of the Media and Congress is to expose these wrong doings, investigate and safeguard against this type of occurrence for the American people.

WHY are you not fulfilling your role to me, to my study group, and the rest of the American people in this country and WHEN will you start ?


Sincerely

[Pallas180]

299. KOHO"S EXCELLENT LETTER

Dear_________;

I am writing about the outing of CIA Agent Valerie Plame. It seems that the Grand jury Investigation has wrapped up or will soon, but little has been mentioned of late. What may have been political payback to Joe Wilson for refuting the Niger yellowcake claims in the State of the Union address could have actually made this country a great deal less safe. According to Joseph Klein (Time 7-5-04--Plenty More to Swear About), Plame may have been "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components." If this is true (or even a possibility, those responsible must be brought to justice. I submit that underground trafficking of WMD components presents a far more imminent threat to our country than Saddam Hussein did. In my mind this certainly achieves the status of "High Crimes," and I urge you to not let this issue fall by the wayside. The security of our country may have been irretrievably harmed by a few high ranking officials and they must be brought to task.

Sincerely,

[kohodog]

300. Excellent Pallas

All of our letters will be different but on the same point. I think we should try to refine our list so that we all hit the same people, excepting our congressmen. But we can all send to the same media recipients, judiciary committee members, etc. I would encourage people to send their own thoughts as opposed to signing on to a mass letter.

[H2O Man]

311. The shifting rationales for war in Iraq.....

"It is ludicrous to suggest that the president of the United States went to war on the question of whether Saddam Hussein sought uranium from Africa.This was part of a very broad case that the president laid out in the State of the Union and other places."

-- Condi Rice; Fox News Sunday; 7-13-03

[Pallas180]

304. OUR NEXT & SEPARATE LETTER HAS TO BE ABOUT THIS:

From Robert PaulsenL

written by Michael Isikoff in July 19 issue of Newsweek

Exclusive: Election Day Worries
Newsweek
July 19 issue - American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, NEWSWEEK has learned."

A set up for the end of elections and a dictatorship - endless ruling
by bushista cabal.

[H2O Man]

307. The Plame investigation

and the plans to "delay" the election are very closely related. I've noted that we are entering a phase when the foundation of democracy is being "tested." The idea of NOT having elections because the republican administration feels they would not be in "our" best interest should concern everyone with an IQ over 20.

[Pallas180]

312. H20, please e mail me on DU e mail so that I can reply. thanks

:kick:

[robertpaulsen]

313. Tenet's resignation takes effect today. When does Pavitt's?

Just wondering because it seems like a lot of the speculation over when the Plame indictments will come out is tied with the timing of Tenet's resignation taking effect. But when will Valerie Plame's boss, James Pavitt, have his resignation take effect?

[iconoclastic cat]

314. Sorta off-topic, buy a very scary post from another thread

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject From 2 yrs. ago, re: Martial Law
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1970879
1970879, From 2 yrs. ago, re: Martial Law
Posted by Scairp on Sun Jul-11-04 04:26 PM

This is WAAAAYYY scarier than postponed elections.


Foundations are in place for martial law in the US

Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua he issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis" such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a US military invasion abroad". They were never used.
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They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

Today Mr Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the US military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339...

http://members.tripod.com/~Sidlinger/ml.html

[H2O Man]

316. Over and over:

the message is clear -- we are in a struggle for the very essence of America's experiment in democracy. Do not take the Bill of Rights for granted. Like any muscle, you use it or you lose it. Have the proper respect for the US Constitution. This is the United States of America, and we should never forget that......and never let the enemies of America forget it, either.

[Pallas180]

319. They seem to think it's Nazi Germany. detention camps? I

have news for you, we seem to be under martial law around the country.

First Amendment Zones,whereever that creep appears, soldiers shooting
at citizens with damaging rubber bullets

National Guard

Patriot Act

Big Brother

Report on your neighbor

[Pallas180]

317. Thanks ICONOCLAST- That's an important find - now google

Reagan + Cheney and Reagan + Rumsfeld and I think you'll find
who was in Reagan's admiistration are the same people who are in
this administation.

Perhpas it's time for the ACLU to take Brinkerhoff's paper to the
Supreme Court.

It's not looking good for civil rights, the bill of rights, or
the Constitution.

[Moderator]

320. Locking due to length......

Please continue here:

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Thank you.

DU Moderator