So pissed, so pissed

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My local paper headline: "FALSE BASIS FOR WAR?"

It's the CIA's fault. They really suck. The official escape hatch for Junior, Potty Mouth, and their profiteering buds. Not only does an agency with thousands of members bend over in thug worship, but the entire fucking press as well...

What is it? What am I missing here? Is this a Skull and Bones thing where * says a secret word, and everyone falls in line?</rant>

[NMDemDist2]

1. worth a read, Bushit's didn't do their homework (again)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/200...

snip>>

One significant error was in allowing the key judgments in our Estimate on Iraq, that's the short summary of the Intelligence Estimate, to be published without sufficient caveats and disclaimers where our knowledge was incomplete. This is particularly unfortunate since the full text of that document, which apparently was not reviewed by all the readers, spells out the uncertainties and dissents much more fully.

snip>>

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5. Why do they just roll over

I don't care what job your doing--if you have any pride at all in the work you do that's just insulting. Tenet's spinelessness is pathetic.

[NMDemDist2]

15. it wasn't Tenet, it was the acting Director, and if you read the whole

statement at the link, he didn't exactly roll over.

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17. Link doesn't work n/t

[NMDemDist2]

35. sorry, i had cut and pasted from another post, here's the link

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/2004/pr07092004.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. IMHO, your reaction is to Tenet is not warranted by the facts.

[Poiuyt]

2. Republicans control the Intelligence Committee

Since they are in control, they can write the report however they like. Dems that were on the committee are speaking out andtelling how Bush intimidated the CIA, etc. What I haven't heard anyone mention lately is the OSP (Office of Special Plans)

[goddess40]

3. They demanded that info be gathered to support war

I think that they use threats to get what they want. They can now threaten to send these employees children and grandchildren to die and Iraq. Well, maybe not right now but after the election when they extend the draft.

[elehhhhna]

6. What about all the pressure from Fucheneyyourself?

Plus now that Tennet is out of Government, can't he spill the beans if called on (after 90 days out you can't call "Executive priv." or whatever.) Anybody want to clarify that?

[GiovanniC]

4. It's My Understanding That Another Report Will Examine

The way the Bush administration pressured the intelligence community to give them the information and conclusions they wanted to hear. That report won't come out until after November (how conveeeeenient).

However, most of the television and radio news I have heard makes it sound as though that aspect was looked at already and found invalid. For example, an NPR report: "The Senate Intelligence Committee released a report today which faulted the CIA for massive intelligence failures in the run-up to war. The report did not find that anyone in the Bush administration pressured the CIA or other intelligence agencies to get the information they wanted to hear, as some have suggested."

What the heck?

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8. Wonder if all of Cheney's trips to CIA headquarters

even made the report.

[Mari333]

7. passing the buck, its called.

I think the * administration just f*cked with the wrong agency.

[wtmusic]

9. The CIA enjoys being urinated on

apparently. Tenet has a really unusual take on what a sense of duty is.

[Mari333]

13. Tenet isnt the only person in the CIA

I am patiently waiting for the Plame indictments. I would like to think there are some really really really angry people in the CIA who are waiting for just the right moment.

[DemonFighterLives]

18. Related to the Plame affair

They had an article on C-Span this morning stating that Joseph Wilson lied about the Niger thing. I'm not sure what aspect, but maybe it was just that he was referred by his wife. But the Neocons are sure to go after him tooth and nail.

[wtmusic]

19. Funny you mention -- it was just about one year ago today

when Tenet (pathetically, spinelessly) took the blame for someone else's lies in their SOTU address:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/politics/6285104.htm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. Based on what I know about Tenet's background, I'm betting that...

...he has a plan that involves biting the bullet...for now.

Interesting to note that should he be called to testify before any future commissons, committees, and/or juries that he will no longer be bound by the so-called principle of "executive privilege". He can just spill his guts about anything he wishes to discuss. He should have quite a bit to discuss.

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28. Can Tenet claim "executive privilege"

hasn't that principle only been exploited by Presidents?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Look back to the Clinton hearings in regards to how many employees...

...of the White House, and close advisors to the President, attempted to use "executive privilege". Prior to those hearings, executive privilege was accepted as a right of the Executive Branch that extended to his closest advisors. Those hearings completely destroyed that privilege, but the NeoCons have used it successfully in fending off the requests for the notes to Cheney's "energy meetings".

If Tenet was still employed by the government and being a close advisor to FratBoy, Tenet would be "protected" from testifying against FratBoy. Tenet is no longer employed by the government, a move that allows him to say anything he wants. Remember how dismayed the NeoCons appeared when Tenet sprung his resignation?

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31. So he's a free bird after 7/11

I will reserve future judgement until he's had a chance to speak out

[Mari333]

21. ooo they must be running scared

and know something is coming..otherwise why would they be putting out all this propoganda to try and destroy Joe Wilson..
this should get interesting..
Facts win eventually, not propoganda.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. Tenet spent 26 years in the CIA and served his country well....

He was not only well-liked and well-respected with the CIA, but the same held true for his relationships outside the CIA. In fact, when he was proposed as Director of the CIA by Clinton in 1997, he was unanimously confirmed by the GOP-controlled Senate by the vote of 55-45.

Tenet comes from an old-school sense of loyalty to both the people that worked for him and the people, however screwed-up, for whom he worked. And that sense of loyalty demands that he fall on his sword to protect the country, not necessarily the people at the top.

We haven't heard the last of Tenet or of the rank-and-file CIA. The last two presidents to attempt to buck the CIA never finished their terms in office. They were JFK and Nixon.

JFK fired Dulles and his top two aides following the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and a strong faction of the CIA blamed JFK for that disaster and his reluctance to ramp up efforts in Southeast Asia. JFK had also turned down the request of the Joint Chiefs to enact the highly classified program known as Operation Northwoods...a plan to use U. S. operatives to conduct terror ops on U. S. cities and to blame it on Cuba.

Nixon tried to use the CIA to fend off the Watergate investigators by sending word to the CIA Director that the CIA wouldn't want all of that Bay of Pigs information to get out. As Haldeman later stated in his book, that was clearly a threat to reveal the CIA's role in the assassination of JFK. Nixon, after all, had been in Dallas in the four days leading up to November 22, 1963, and was actually flying out of Dallas as the shots were being fired in Dealey Plaza.

[treepig]

32. wouldn't unanimous confirmation needed a 100-0 vote?

but 55-45 is pretty close i suppose.

maybe diebold did the counting.

[calico1]

11. I agree and I also don't think

that most swing voters are going to buy this. Its like Ken Lay saying "its no my fault. I didn't know anything. Its all Andy Fastau's fault!" Yeah right. People know that the head of any organization is the one who should take ultimate responsibility. That's why they are in charge. Bush touts his great leadership skills. Well, how does a good leader pass the buck and not take any blame for anything? The only people who will suck this up are his holy roller base who are a bunch of vegetables anyway, and the rich people who know its BS but who's self interest comes before the interests of the country. I don't think most of the rest of the swing voters will buy this argument that you can be a great leader but not know what the hell is going on.

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14. I sure as hell hope you're right

what disturbs me is the press buying into the story, no questions asked. Doesn't bode well for swaying public opinion.

[JHBowden]

10. The CIA pushed Bush into a war he didn't want.

Riiiiiight.

[neuvocat]

12. False CIA intel that Bush acted on.

eom

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. What "false CIA intel"? In the classified version of the NIE, the CIA...

...clearly spelled out what they did not know and what they could not confirm about the Iraqi WMDs. The UNCLASSIFIED version contained nothing of the reservations in the classified version. The CIA officials indicated to the commission that they did not know how that language was altered. We also know that the OSP had the last look at the NIE before it was processed and passed on to the top NeoCons.

Tenet strongly recommended that FratBoy not mention Iraqi WMDs in his State of the Union Address, but he did anyway. Tenet also strongly recommended that Powell not mention Iraqi WMDs in his speech to the UN, but he did anyway.

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

[neuvocat]

20. I need to elaborate.

I should have said that if people want to accept the claim that the CIA intel was false then they would have to accept that Bush was irresponsible enough to act on it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. Okay...I get it now.

[hiphopnation]

23. Will this work for them?

After all it wasn't the CIA that pushed us into war. It does piss me off, though. :grr:

[bvar22]

27. Both Rice and Powell....

...are on record and video tape before 911 stating that Saddam was effectively contained, that he has been unable to develop WMD, and posed NO THREAT to the USA or his neighbors (See MM's F911.) This info MUST HAVE COME from a CIA assessment.

Where is this assessment?

What happened after 911 to immediately change Rice's and Powell's position on Iraq?

The clip of Rice's and Powell's pre911 NO THREAT ASSESSMENT needs to be hammered into the public awareness!

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29. good pt

that's a factoid which people should have ready for all occasions.

[Th1onein]

33. But but but.......Cheney was OVER THERE EVERY DAY to see that they DID do

their work! And, mind you, usually the White House doesn't visit the CIA every day. That is, unless they are putting pressure on them to cook up some intel to support a war they've already made up their minds they're going to wage!

[TexasSissy]

34. I agree. Whitewash by the Repubs on the Committee.

[against all enemies]

36. Richard Clarke Said it best. Bush told him -

IRAQ, give me intelligence that suggests IRAQ. on 9/12/01

[neebob]

37. Coulda sworn I saw Jay Rockefeller on C-span yesterday

talking about how all the stuff about the Bush Administration pressuring the CIA to justify the invasion and the environment they created got relegated to the second half of the report, or perhaps some second phase of the investigation. It sounded like there had been a battle and the Dems had to cave in order to move on.

[Ripley]

38. It's all about Personal Responsibility you remember...

Have you ever seen an administration point the finger away from their inner-circle PNACers as often as these guys? Everything is either the CIA's fault, the Democrats fault or if all else fails, Bill Clinton's fault.

Wasn't there a President named George W once who was admired for saying "I cannot tell a lie?"

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39. Yes...the original Dubya!

rolling over in his grave...

[HFishbine]

40. Could be good for Edwards

"For more than 20 years, Saddam has obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every possible means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he has used them in the past, and that he is doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability. We must not allow him to get nuclear weapons."