Saw Farenheit last night

[SHRED]

I knew 90% of those facts covered due to my research on the web.

The impact it had on me was pretty strong.
The RWingers scream about bias but I guess they didn't see it yet. The slant did come in his side comments but so what. The mainstream media is way biased the other way or else everyone would've already known about this stuff!

The points driven home nicely were:

Bush and Saudi connection going way back and up to the present.
Bush ordering a bin Laden family airlift, without questioning, on 9-13-01. Moore's point about if Clinton had airlifted Timothy McViegh's family, following Oklahoma bombing and what would have been the RWinger's reaction.
The Bush family frendship with the brutal Prince Bandar.
James Baker defending the Saudi's against the 9/11 families lawsuit.
Saudi "investment" in this country; over 800 billion dollars.
Majority of hijackers were Saudi.
Pipeline across Afghanistan and the Unocal/Kharzi connection.
The constant control, through fear, this administration inflicts on us.
The shear horror that death and maiming brings to victims and families on both sides.
The hopelessness of the situation as expressed by the troops.
Just how fucking arrogant Bu$h really is.

[Deja Q]

1. Wasn't the Saudi investment over $1 trillion?

Moore said that in "Dude, Where's My Country"... (if not "Stupid White Men", it's all good...)

Either way, if the Saudis pull out (their next regime probably will), we're toast.

[SHRED]

3. Could be

I am pretty sure he said 868 billion in the movie but what's a couple of hundred mil between friends(Bush/Bandar) ...eh?

[Misunderestimator]

7. can't recall the $ figure, but I do recall that it represents 7% of US

economy.... pretty scary. 7 Percent

[noahmijo]

23. Our GDP is about 11 trillion so 1 trillion is about 8-9%

[merh]

29. Wasn't the $ 1 trillion the amount of money in banks in USA.

The effects of the withdrawal of their money was the question Moore asked in the film. (in addition to the $800 plus million investments)

[Prodemsouth]

2. Damn! You are going to make me spend money- now i want to see it

again!

[Florida_Geek]

4. I saw it yesterday too

I can not see it in small town Loisiana I am working in, but the :( :( part was I was at a theater near an Air Force base for the 2:00pm showing and there were only around 6 people there. :(

[against all enemies]

5. How about - the lack of investigative or responsible reporting by our

"news" media?

[SHRED]

8. Mainstream media news is...

to busy not wanting to offend the power structure and thus running the risk being ostracized from the exclusive interviews that help with their ratings which in turn boost their profits.
In a nutshell.

[against all enemies]

10. Not to mention

favorable actions from FCC and conglomeration. But the reporters themselves should be repulsed.

[SHRED]

11. FCC Chairman

Michael Powell..Powell...hummm...where have I heard that name before?

[merh]

30. Don't you know hid dad is proud! (and stupid and weak) n/t

[0007]

24. That was the most powerful in my opinion.

[AnnInLa]

6. Yesterday, in Lafayette, LA

Had been trying to talk my son and his friends (late 20's) into seeing F9/11, but they resisted me. Wanted to vote for whomever is "for guns"...that is as deep as their thinking goes, they are regular Joe 6-packs. So, yesterday, they decided to see the movie and invited me along (I had already seen it once). They joked about not wanting to give their money to that clown, Michael Moore, but I told them that MM was a pretty cool fellow, just email him, and he'd probably refund their money. After the movie, they just sat in the theater, stunned. I have never seen young men so quiet/numb as on the ride home. As they dropped me off at home, my son whispered in my ear, "You were right, I'm voting for Kerry." One of his friends told me, "No, I don't want my money back, it was worth it." The other friend phoned me later and asked how and where he could research some of the movie's points on the internet. I continue to be amazed about MM's brilliance and the effects of this one movie. God bless MM.

[SHRED]

9. Nice

Great story.
Thanks!!!

[leesa]

22. Nice story. It continues to amaze me that gun-lovers don't realize

that the risk of having their guns taken away by Republican fascists is much greater than any other political group. What do they think the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act is for anyway??

[AnnInLa]

31. P Act to Joe 6-Pack?

When I tried to talk to them about the Patriot Act...they said, we aren't terrorists, so why should we worry about Big Brother? I sure get tired of trying to explain to people (especially my sons) with this mind-set.

[SHRED]

32. Yep

This is the same rational the German people had towards the German SS in WWII.

[NeoConsSuck]

12. I saw it last night also..

it hit home something my dear departed mother always said: Whenever you hear a politican use the phrase, "Protecting America's vital interests", always ask yourself, What corporate names are behind these vital interests *this* time? The corporate names change on every war, but the phrase remains the same.

Looking at the meeting of the corporate heads salivating over how much money could be made in Iraq made me understand this war a bit more. The lower and middle class sacrified their children so these corporate pigs could feast at the trough.

The Iraq war was a war of economics. The free market system was not allowed to compete in Iraq, and the capitalists can't allow that to happen. In Iraq or Venezuela. The Iraq government took in all the money from the oil proceeds, and provided it's citizens with free health care and free education. Know what country had the highest rate of PHD's per population? Iraq.

[leesa]

25. Don't you think politicians should have to wear patches of the corporation

who own them on their suits so we know who their Sugar Daddy's are? Like the sports car drivers. Bush would have to wear a burka covered with oil spots.

[pippin]

13. How about the cynical recruiting

in poor neighborhoods ? The episode of Marines recruiting in black beighborhoods was especially chilling. The fact that corporate wealth is made on the lives of poor Americans with nary a concern--they are regarded I suppose as dispensable--is an especially ugly part of American culture.

[lectrobyte]

14. I just saw it yesterday myself... even better than I expected.

Less of M.M. in it than I thought there would be, but the bits were priceless -- the Secret Service bit, the reactions from his recruiting efforts. I swear that half the theater (90% full on a Saturday afternoon in July, impressive) was crying with the mother of the soldier, and I haven't been to a movie that got a standing ovation in a long time.

[SHRED]

16. In San Diego...

where I saw it, there was mild clapping but this is rightwing/neocon territory down here.

[SHRED]

15. Also

That W spent 42% of his first 6 months, in office, vacationing.
No meetings regarding terrorism took place, before 9/11, even with Clarke's insistence. In fact Ashcroft told Clarke he didn't want to hear about it.
That the CIA report on Osama wasn't as vague as Condi Rice made it out to be.
The Taliban reps Bush/Texas visit and that rag head's comments to the woman reporter.
Only 1 member of Congress has a child serving in the armed forces.
That our Secret Service is "guarding" the Saudi embassy.
The interviews with Halliburton reps, at the convention, and their smug attitude to war profiteering.
That a GI guarding the oil fields in Iraq makes around 2000 a month and the comparable Halliburton employee receives 8 to 10 thousand dollars a month(our tax dollars at work).
The millions of tax dollars paid to Halliburton for them to contract out only thousands of dollars worth of work.

[KharmaTrain]

17. When They See The Movie, The Wingnut Spin Changes...

I was perusing a wingnut board on AOL I used to post on (I gave up on those losers after 9/11) and was amused by the change in their posts in the last couple weeks.

At first they dismissed F911 as a "librul media" invention of Moore's...based on the steady stream of lies by "UnAmerican" types. You know the tripe...

Last night I went back and there was a post by one of the Freeptards that admitted many of the facts in the movie are right, but "distorted"...admitting the movie makes Bunnypants look both stupid and really inept. Gone are the days of attempting to legitimize this oxygen thief as a real intellect and leader.

Of course the flames started thereafter as the "true believers" (hivedwellers) hit the panic button at the thought of one of their own actually thinking independently from the party line. It's amusing to read.

Looks like this movie has struck a chord in the liberatarian side of the "Conservatives" that go see this thing. They can't deny Moore's right to say what he says (or refute it) and they realize the movie's popularity must mean something (head scratching)...hopefully they won't realize it's the tide crashing in upon them until after the elections.

Cheers!

[SHRED]

18. My intent

To refute the neocons I am choosing to stick with the facts that the movie presents. Let them argue them.
I will stay away from the ideologue chatter.

[KharmaTrain]

19. More Fun That Way

They'll still lie and distort facts and throw you links to Newsmax and Drudge...but what the hell.

I long gave up posting on those sites and I rarely even engage in emails...it's what my father called "mental masterbation", but I do enjoy the hardy few who go into those snake pits and stir up the natives.

Cheers!

[BraveMan]

20. The best lies are those mixed with a measure of truth.

As in "Roger & Me" and "Bowling For Columbine", Moore has shown himself to be a master at twisting the truth to serve his purposes. I truely feel sorry for those who consider "Farenheit 9/11" a documentary . . .

Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11

[leesa]

26. Too Funny. And I'll bet you haven't seen it.

He has solid documentation on all those lies you talk about, so you better rethink your response.

[BraveMan]

27. By all means . . .

. . . please direct me to this solid documentation. I'd love to see it.

[redwitch]

33. So, BraveMan

Have you seen it?

[BraveMan]

35. I've seen exactly one movie in a theater in the last seven years

And no, Farenheit 9/11 wasn't it. I'll wait until it hits the video market, as I did for "Roger & Me" and "Bowling For Columbine".

[redwitch]

34. Where'dya go BraveMan???

If you don't show up here soon I will have to rename you ChickenShitMan. Foolish Freeper type.

[BraveMan]

36. Perhaps you can direct me to the solid documentation . . .

. . . to which the other poster alludes to.

I guess the ball is in your court now. BTW, I must leave for a family gathering presently, so I will not be able to respond to your reply (if any) until later this evening. Enjoy your day . . .

[TheFarseer]

21. I saw it last night too

theatre was 1/3 full which is very good for a 5:55 showing of a 2 week old movie. I was impressed, I thought we'd be pretty much alone.

[Auntie Bush]

28. I saw it Monday night at 5:00 and the place was packed full.

NOT one single seat left in the house! Couples had to sit separately and even the far R & L front row seats were taken. Many were turned away. Everyone burst into spontaneous applause when it was over. There was a huge waiting line for the next showing. BTW that was the first time I've ever known that theater to be full...and this is in a rich tourist Republican town. It was amazing! I didn't know we had so many Democrats around here. Dean must have gotten to a lot of them! I just hope many of the viewers were independents or on the fence. However the horrible fact is the Republicans won't see it and prefer to remain ignorant.