Where is the transcipt of Old Bush claiming to be in Vietnam

[vetwife]

I heard that on the Guy James show ..Actually heard Bush claim he was in Vietnam. Please send me the transcript of the speech as I will blast every r-winged site from here to S. E. Asia and newspaper with that one ! Infuriated me and any combat soldier resents someone saying they were there when they were not. I will personally hand that transcript out if necessary. I don't want to have to do another CD.....OOOOOH I am angry about that lie !

[AntiCoup2K4]

1. You mean Poppy? or Junior?

Poppy was probably there. Supervising the "Golden Triangle" drug smuggling operation for the CIA.

[vetwife]

2. NO..it was Junior. talking about what he learned in Vietnam about

Guirella warfare. Not about but when he was IN Vietnam.

[jimshoes]

5. No it was actually the nincompoop-n-chief

said "when I was in Viet Nam etc." describing some turdball of wisdom to an adoring audience. I do not know where it comes from though, but Guy played it a couple of times yesterday.

[Toots]

3. I think it was something Bush* said during the last campaign

Something like "Lessons I learned from Vietnam" which can be taken in different ways.

[vetwife]

4. No..he said IN VIETNAM and it was since the Iraq war.

Clear as a bell when Guy played it !

[nostamj]

8. "learned IN Vietnam"

according to the clip that Guy played yesterday.

[vetwife]

11. Right Jeff and I want that transcript...BAD !

I will put some vets on the street corner passing it out if necessary !

[nostamj]

12. why not just ask guy?

he might have the source...

[vetwife]

13. I didn't want to bother him but just sent him an email requesting

researchers tell me where I can find the transcript !
Thanks!

[displacedtexan]

6. I chatted with a VFW guy last week...

who was complaining that JK had left Vietnam early.

He had no idea that (1) that was during JK's SECOND TOUR OF DUTY or (2) that THE MORE DANGEROUS THE DUTY, THE SHORTER THE TOUR.

He's changed his mind about JK now.

(This shouldn't surprise me, though. I worked with a guy who claimed to be a 'veteran of a foreign war'-- a 'Vietnam Vet,' in fact: he was a mail clerk in New Jersey during Vietnam.)

[Narraback]

10. I believe policy was to end the tour upon earning 3 Purple....

Hearts. Kerry earned three Purple Hearts so Kerry left the War zone.

[Toots]

18. I somehow don't like the expression "earned" a purple heart

received is more to my liking. I'm just weird I guess but earning to me means putting forth some effort to obtain something. Granted effort was put forth but not to obtain a purple heart just to do the job. Who knows maybe the purple heart (I'm not referring to Kerry) was because the person totally screwed up and created the incident.

[gpandas]

29. nothing like denegrating ...

the efforts of so many veterans who were in harm's way in defense of their country.

[oneighty]

26. The world is full of fake

wannabe war heroes. They even lie and cheat their way into the VFW clubs. I am a skeptic. I say show me your DD 214, prove it. You must ask these braggarts to prove what they claim.

Records destroyed in fire? Prove it. I was on secret mission. No excuse. DD 214 will still say where one has been, not why.

SEAL friend of mine a Vietnam vet said secret SEAL missions in Vietnam is a myth.

180

[Merlin]

7. Here's the mp3 recording of it.

Unfortunately I never did learn when or where he said this.

http://www.go-titlepro.com/downloads/BushInVietnam.mp3

[Don_G]

9. If It Helps Dispel The Myths

My cousin served one tour in the Army in Vietnam, came out with a Bronze Star with clusters and a Silver Star with clusters along with a few Purple Hearts.

He couldn't get on the plane fast enough to get away from that hell hole.

[vetwife]

14. Thanks for the MP3..Just sent it to a Vet Radio Station

I want that clip played loud and clear and we need to find the transcipt from whatever idiot speech he was giving.
Trusst me..The combat vets are going to be furious. Its one thing to not finish the TAN and lie about your records..its another to lie about being in Combat. Trust me this is heavy duty !

[Malva Zebrina]

15. He just lies--that is all there is to it

does not know what is truth and what is a lie

Here is another of the great war president's lies about being in a war.

"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war."

[vetwife]

16. I tell you I will put that out loud and clear..Mari !

I listened to that clip over and over till 5 this morning. NOW I AM ON A MISSION! C-Span will hear it or Cnn if I got anything to do with it !

[vetwife]

17. And that was before Iraq or Afghanistan he made that stupid statement !

What war? Someone beat him out of his cocaine deal !

[u2spirit]

24. If the "media"did pick up on this

They'd probably just say something similar to what Cokie Roberts said after one of the Gore-Bush debates when Dimson said something that was factually wrong. "I'm sure he just mis stated himself." Barf on everyone who excuses his intentional unintentional flub ups.

[soup]

19. Scrubbed?

I heard Guy play the clip yesterday. Heard it very clearly.

Been doing some searching and the closest I can find so far is this statement made during a press conference on March 13th of 2002.

NOTE: I tried to play both the video and audio, but get strange 'update needed', 'no update available' error messages. Surprise?

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Q I wanted to ask about the second phase of the war. As a member of the Vietnam generation, do you worry as you send these military advisors all over the world, typically to chaotic places, that they may get involved in direct conflict and the situation could escalate? And are you prepared to do that?

THE PRESIDENT: Interesting question. Hutch, let me tell you something, I believe this war is more akin to World War II than it is to Vietnam. This is a war in which we fight for the liberties and freedom of our country.

Secondly, I understand there's going to be loss of life and that people are going to -- and the reason I bring that up is because for a while, at least for a period it seemed to be that the definition of success in war was nobody lost their life. Nobody grieves harder than I do when we lose a life. I feel responsible for sending the troops into harm's way. It breaks my heart when I see a mom sitting on the front row of a speech and she's weeping, openly weeping for the loss of her son. It's -- it just -- I'm not very good about concealing my emotions. But I strongly believe we're doing the right thing.

And, Hutch, the idea of denying sanctuary is vital to protect America. And we're going to be, obviously, judicious and wise about how we deploy troops. I learned some good lessons from Vietnam. First, there must be a clear mission. Secondly, the politics ought to stay out of fighting a war. There was too much politics during the Vietnam War. There was too much concern in the White House about political standing. And I've got great confidence in General Tommy Franks, and great confidence in how this war is being conducted. And I rely on Tommy, just like the Secretary of Defense relies upon Tommy and his judgment -- whether or not we ought to deploy and how we ought to deploy.

Tommy knows the lessons of Vietnam just as well as I do. Both of us -- he was a, he graduated from high school in '63, and you and I graduated in '64. We're of the same vintage. We paid attention to what was going on. And so -- I think it was '64, wasn't it?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

edit to highlight the word 'from'.

[vetwife]

20. Nope not the same speech..Thanks though

Guy found it last year but can't put his fingers on it right now.
This had to do with guirrella warfare. Listen to clip. There should be a transcript somewhere. We gotta find it and get it to THe Kerry campaign. Lets play I think I can I think I can....

[Straight Shooter]

21. "Perhaps the most important lesson that I learned in Vietnam ...

... is that you cannot con -- fight a guerrilla war with conventional forces."

That's the quote from the link. He stammered, as usual. And I think, in his head, he believes he WAS in Vietnam. That must have been one bad LSD trip, George :eyes:

[vetwife]

22. Anyone got any ideas whee we can find ths thing.

Maybe at a rally ?

[vetwife]

25. This same clip is on Bush AWOL

Different source.. Man where is that transcript !

[soup]

33. October 11, 2001 - FINALLY!!

Prime Time News Conference

3. Lessons learned in Vietnam

>snip<
Q Thank you. You've been careful to avoid saying how long the military strikes in Afghanistan might take place. But can you promise to say how long American -- can you avoid being drawn into a Vietnam-like quagmire in Afghanistan?

THE PRESIDENT: We learned some very important lessons in Vietnam. Perhaps the most important lesson that I learned is that you cannot fight a guerrilla war with conventional forces. That's why I've explained to the American people that we're engaged in a different type of war; one obviously that will use conventional forces, but one in which we've got to fight on all fronts.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011011-7.html#Vietnam

[vetwife]

23. Sent the clip to Helen Thomas and Kerry camp

I am sending to Bartcop and please everyone attach this link and send it out !

I can't find the transcript and when I go back to who had it orginally, can't find them either !

[Mika]

27. I supplied that clip to the Guy James Show

I can't remember the source.

You can hear it here.


http://ourownmedia.com/copper/BushInVietnam.mp3
or
http://cronus.com/images/Bush_lying_about_Vietnam.mp3

[shraby]

28. Is this what you're thinking about?

Bush on lessons learned:
"I learned some good lessons from Vietnam. First, there must be a clear mission. Secondly, the politics ought to stay out of fighting a war. There was too much politics during the Vietnam War."
Associated Press, March 2002

[TryingToWarnYou]

30. Without knowing where exactly the .mp3 came from...

Its hard to determine its pedigree and its an easy task to string together two separate comments to make it sound like something else.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:nT-5y0bf1_kJ:www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/11/gen.bush.transcript/+Bush+%22guerrilla+war+with+conventional+forces%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en

Check out the above link.

And this one too.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Gg_5o7gepIIJ:www.state.gov/coalition/cr/rm/2001/5335.htm+Bush+%22guerrilla+war+with+conventional+forces%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en

If you listen to the recording, its exactly the same wording with "in Vietnam" inserted in a different place. The fact that nobody here seems to be able to come up with the actual source leads me to believe that this recording was manipulated.

The text: " We learned some very important lessons in Vietnam. Perhaps the most important lesson that I learned is that you cannot fight a guerrilla war with conventional forces. That's why I've explained to the American people that we're engaged in a different type of war; one obviously that will use conventional forces, but one in which we've got to fight on all fronts."

[doni_georgia]

31. Here you go - that one and one more

George W. Bush on sacrifice:
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I
had a choice, I'd rather go to war."
Houston Chronicle, January 2002


Bush on lessons learned:
"I learned some good lessons from Vietnam. First, there must be a clear mission. Secondly, the politics ought to stay out of fighting a war. There was too much politics during the Vietnam War."
Associated Press, March 2002
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/01/ma_217_01.html

[kispoko]

32. yeah....

i was just about to include that first quotation of doni's about bush saying he'd "been to war."

i believe he said that to (wv) congressman nick rahall, whom i believe has twins as well (how it came up).


but yeah, the prick actually said he'd been to war..... even if it was a lame attempt at bein' funny, as usual, ya just don't up and say shit like that. parts in jokes like that are supposed to be funny because of embellishing TRUTHS, not fabricated bullshit stories.

[Merlin]

34. We need to be careful about this.

e need to be careful about this.

I remember when I first saw a link to this clip posted, maybe 8 months ago in GD. There was no reference to when or where he said it, and no transcript and no link. As I recall, the thread got moved to the basement for no apparent reason.

I've always speculated that this may have been a clip artfully edited to make Shruby say this.

Seems that if he really said it, it would have been picked up as one hell of a gaff.

If we can find a transcript with these words in it, Bushy is in deep doodoo.



http://www.go-titlepro.com/downloads/BushInVietnam.mp3

[vetwife]

35. True Merlin..that is why I am hunting the transcript. I back up

everything. So I can't be discredited . The oct 11th is close but not the same thing in the clip.....

[mainer]

36. To be perfectly fair about this

we know what an imprecise speaker he is. When he says "The one thing I learned in Vietnam," it doesn't mean he actually thinks he was IN Vietnam. It could be his faulty semantics tripping him up again, and he actually meant "the one thing I learned FROM Vietnam."

This doesn't strike me as big enough for us to make a stink about.

[vetwife]

37. Well Helen Thomas thought it might be.....

This does something to veterans....I hate to disagree but this is what I do. He will anger the combat vets who are undecided ! Ask any combat vet about such a statment. Misspeaking we know..but Bush would have crossed the line on that one if it can be proven.

[Merlin]

38. You are absolutely right.

I'm glad you're trying to run this down. Man, if it were true and we could back it up... Holy Moses!!!