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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:24 PM
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The Push
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 12:29 PM by WilliamPitt
“Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens.”

- William H. Beveridge, 1944

The conventional wisdom in liberal/progressive circles claims there is unity in the ranks. The simple awe and horror created by the policies and practices of the Bush administration has created a situation where the normally fractious base of the Democratic Party has put aside its typical internecine warfare, and rallies now under the flag of ‘Anyone But Bush.’ The cats, in other words, are herding themselves.

Is this enough to ensure that Bush will be defeated in November? The numbers, along with some factors beyond anyone’s control, do not support the conventional wisdom.

Harken back to 2000 and consider the spread. Bush got 50,456,002 votes, or 47.8% of the popular total. Gore got 50,999,897 votes, or 48.3% of the popular total. The separation between them was 543,895 votes, a difference of 0.5% percent. The narrowness between these numbers was, of course, augmented by the extracurriculars in Florida, where the difference between the two candidates came to 537 questionable votes and a few Supreme Court Justices. Even without Florida, the separation between the two candidates was paper-thin. It is safe to assume the populace is as evenly divided in 2004.

Toss onto the pile another safe assumption: The same 100 million Americans too lazy, disaffected or straight-up disgusted with politics to vote in 2000 will fail again in 2004 to summon the strength to raise their hands. Hauling a segment of this group into play will be a wash in the end; every person who decides that 9/11, the Iraq war or some other factor requires them to vote will be subsumed by another voter who buys into the canard that there is no difference between the candidates, and so voting is a waste of time.

Ergo, unless Bush or Kerry are caught in flagrante delicto with Osama bin Laden or the ghost of Josef Stalin, the election in November will be razor-close. At this point, the additional factors come into play.

The first and foremost wild card in the 2004 election is, of course, the national mainstream news media. The release and subsequent wild success of Michael Moore's documentary 'Fahrenheit 911' has caused the news media to bunker itself behind walls of self-righteous self-protection. Moore exposed the degree to which our journalistic institutions hauled water for Bush's fraudulent push for war in Iraq. The news media did this while simultaneously broadbanding terror fears to the populace, a sustained bombardment that served the propaganda purposes of the Bush administration.

Moore has revealed them, shamed them, and their reaction has been predictable. Rather than cop to the fact that they blew it, the national news media now defends and props Bush as a means of defending and propping their own clobbered credibility. If Bush loses, they lose, and so every moment from now to November will bring a chorus of praise for Bush and a rain of jeering for Kerry. Spend an hour watching CNN and see the truth of this for yourself. This will have a significant effect on the race.

The second wild card in the equation is the counting of the votes themselves. Thanks to the passage of the Help America Vote Act, more than 100,000 electronic voting machines will be used by voters all across the country in November. Because these machines provide no paper ballot to verify the vote, because the makers of these machines have refused to allow anyone to make sure the software involved won’t decide 2 + 2 = 5, or maybe 3, or 0, and because many of the executives involved in the manufacture of these machines are a who’s who list of conservative activists, it is not at all certain that We The People will have final say in the election.

Consider Ohio, widely considered to be the most important state in the upcoming election. Wade O’Dell is chief executive of Diebold, Inc., the most prominent company manufacturing these electronic voting machines. O’Dell is also one of George W. Bush’s most effective fundraisers, a member of Bush’s elite ‘Rangers and Pioneers’ cash-collectors. In a fundraising letter written in August 2002, O’Dell wrote, “I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.” This could be passed off as the words of a political loyalist, but once you factor in O’Dell’s position as manufacturer of the voting machines themselves, the context becomes far more disturbing.

"We have a train wreck that's definitely going to happen," says Bev Harris, author of ‘Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century,’ who has been at the forefront of the fight against these questionable, unverified voting machines. "We have conflict of interest, we've taken the checks and balances away, and we know the votes are already being miscounted fairly frequently. This is going to be huge."

The other wild card is, of course, Osama bin Laden and the possibility of a large explosion. The American people are not like the Spanish, who threw Aznar out on his ear some months ago because he took his nation to war against the will of 80% of the electorate. The meme in the media says the terrorists won that election, but this is false. Aznar lost because he threw his people into the meat-grinder against their will, and he was punished for it.

American citizens, hypnotized by a media that knows war and fear keeps people glued to the TV, and therefore buttress revenue by watching commercials, are far easier to incite into a lemming-like charge off the nearest cliff. Should there be another attack near the election, Americans will be bombarded with the refrain, “Do you want the terrorists to decide the election?” The implication will, of course, be that a vote against Bush is a vote for Osama. If the timing of such an attack falls close to November, a state of emergency declaration could well put off the election entirely. The chairman of a new federal voting commission appointed by Bush, DeForest Soaries, is already in the process of developing scenarios for such an occurrence.

When confronted by problems that cannot be immediately fixed - media bias, a broken election system, and the guy we once wanted dead or alive - the only solution is to focus upon the problems which can be fixed. Even without these wild cards, the election will be close. In such a narrow race, every vote and voter group counts enormously. Today, few groups have more power to throw the race one way or another than what could be deemed the ‘Anti-War Left.’

There is no single description to encompass this voter bloc. They are the people who were against the Iraq invasion from day one, the people who know the ‘War on Terra’ is an advertisement for incalculable profiteering by corporations in the business of war. They are the people who see the corporate supremacy in America as a cancer affecting the air, water, soil and soul of the nation and the world entire.

They are also the most undependable voter bloc in the country. They are nobody’s base, because they hold principle above all else when it comes to politics. They will not cast a ballot for someone who has acted against the principles which are at the core of that anti-war sentiment. If a candidate appears to have gone against those principles, that bloc will bolt. In many respects, this is what politics in America should be about. Pragmatism should take a back seat to virtue, and people should be encouraged to vote their hearts instead of their fears and prejudices.

Unfortunately, in this corrupted age, voting on the basis of principle alone allows the unprincipled to win the day. Voting with a strict moral code solely in mind allows those without morals to kick down the door and pillage at will. When confronted by problems that cannot be immediately fixed, the only solution is to focus upon the problems which can be fixed. In the matter of the ‘Anti-War Left,’ the problem which must be fixed is this: The idea that American elections are not about morals, or ethics, or principles, but power, must be seated firmly in the mind of any and all who see the country charging towards dissolution.

It comes down to power. Not who is good, or bad, or evil, or right, or wrong, or who fits a particular code of principled leadership. ‘Who rules?’ is the only question that matters today. If you doubt this, if the very idea sends you surging into a rage, consider the reality.

We are currently ruled by a group of people who saw nothing wrong with using September 11 against the American people to start a for-profit war. They saw nothing wrong with destroying a deep-cover CIA agent according to the “Kill one, warn one thousand” rule they needed to enforce to keep any other analysts who might blow the whistle in line. They authorize the use of brutal torture against innocent civilians.

They fire out frighteningly nebulous terror warnings to distract Americans from stories that do not help them politically; a day after Kerry announced Edwards as his VP pick, for one example, Tom Ridge charged out before the cameras to shout yet another scary screed with no basis in fact. When Ashcroft came under fire for his handling of the Jose Padilla case, he told the people of Ohio that their malls were going to get bombed. Yes, Ohio again.

These people are absolutely counting on a segment of the Left electorate to go sideways in November, to stand on their principles and vote third party or not at all. It is a central part of the game plan, one that has proven its effectiveness time and again. Water is wet, the sky is blue, up is above you, and the Left cannot put forth a cohesive front in any national election. There are axioms, and there are axioms.

In an election like this, with the leadership we have, the more an absolute moral code becomes involved, the easier pickings you are for the ruthless. This election is not about morals, about principles, but simply about who rules. This is how our leaders and their corporate masters think of it, and so we must. There is so much to worry about beyond control. When confronted by problems that cannot be immediately fixed, the only solution is to focus upon the problems which can be fixed. How about this for a solution: Win first. Then be good.
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:33 PM
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1. good sunday morning read
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 12:43 PM by theivoryqueen
on edit - you live in Boston -right?-, where there are plenty of well educated liberals and individualism is encouraged. Here in my small circle of Texas democrats and assorted liberals, there seems to be very little dissent regarding voting bush out, despite any differences over democratic candidates' voting records, etc. Not to say that we aren't educated or rugged individuals, but we have been under attack for so long that we are kind of stuck with each other. I hope that the rest of the nation comes together as well as we down here are doing. It really is amazing to go to the heart of the wealthiest area of town to watch F911 and see all the Lexuses and german sportsmobiles vomit out Moore fans. Quite heartening.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:34 PM
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14. IMHO the only anti-war vote there is would be a vote for Kerry/Edwards
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 01:35 PM by merh
Whether people like it or not, the Nadar bunch haven't a chance so a vote for them is a throw away vote. That is the truth and if they want to throw away their vote, then more power to them. But if they do then they better not bitch after November if * remains in power.

Anti-war is anti-Bush (I'm the war president, I have war on my mind)

For anyone to expect Kerry/Edwards to stand up and say - "if we win we pull out of Iraq immediately" is not realistic.

How can someone make the claim of what they will do in November when they have no idea how badly the clown-n-chief has cheney'd things up?
To pull out or suggest immediate pull out does leave the impression that those who died in Iraq died in vein. It leaves the impression that those who are fighting are wasting their time.

John Kerry knows the magnitude of the task he is facing and he has been there, in the soldiers' places and in our place, opposing an illegal and immoral war. He will do what is right and what is in the best interests of the soldiers and the nation. You can count on that.

It is impossible to do that until he gets behind the wheel to see how badly the administration has neglected and abused the inner workings of the engine. The shiny outside of the car and vacuumed inside is not reflective of how the automobile is truly functioning. Would you offer suggestions on how to repair it without first taking it for a test spin and/or examining the engine in detail. He can't do that till he is given the title.

He can't win the title by alienating the fence sitters and the centralist. He must campaign wisely and in moderation, which he is doing. He is allowing * to be *, which in effect is more powerful than slamming him daily and spitting hate. The positive, optimistic campaign is working and they are freeping.

Kerry/Edwards campaign is also fully aware of how the weed that would be king stole the election. They have repeatedly stated that every vote will be counted in 2004. They have a game plan to combat the illegalities, I don't know what it is, but they do and they do not intend to let the 2000 anointment happen again.

This is my Sunday rant and all of this is IMHO!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:40 PM
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2. Your popular vote totals, while accurate,...
...do not reflect the fact that most Americans did not vote at all. This election, I believe, will be different. We should not yet rest, but I doubt that it will be a close election at all.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:52 PM
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6. What about this?
"Toss onto the pile another safe assumption: The same 100 million Americans too lazy, disaffected or straight-up disgusted with politics to vote in 2000 will fail again in 2004 to summon the strength to raise their hands. Hauling a segment of this group into play will be a wash in the end; every person who decides that 9/11, the Iraq war or some other factor requires them to vote will be subsumed by another voter who buys into the canard that there is no difference between the candidates, and so voting is a waste of time."
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:59 PM
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7. not so much, this election
I live in a "party zone" in Dallas, where lots of younger, normally apathetic partyers and disaffected non-voters frequent. More and more, they are registering to vote, claiming to be disgusted with "politics as usual". These kids are early twenties, multicultural and pissed off. Last election I drove around with a car full of voter registrations and it was like pulling teeth to get younger eligible voters to sign up. This year, things have changed. This new wave of potential voters started well before F911, and the swell hasn't crested yet.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:14 PM
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10. disaffected here
As a 50+ non-voter, I was driven over the edge last March. I think I can speak for my equals that shrub has motivated the disenfranchised. There is NO way that anyone with two brain cells to rub together will support him or not vote. I haven't been a strong activist, but steering my 80+ y/o parents and friends and neighbors toward non-commercial information sources has turned most around. Living now back in the heart of the rust belt, I can say that anyone who is paying attention knows something is seriously wrong. Those I talk to that can get past the crap they get on TV or the ONLY local paper (another Scaife rag)can get their brain back in gear.
I don't say this to offer false hope only to let you know that the radical actions and arrogant attitude of this administration have pissed of and motivated more than you may think.
Remember this name! Karen Kwiatkowski
and Rand Beers
and Greg Thielmann
and Sibel Edmonds
and Richard Clark
and Paul O'Neil
and on, and on, and on...
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:40 PM
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3. No One Knows
No one really knows at this early point how the voting will go in November. The vote may not be close at all. It's possible that either candidate will win easily.

The Democrats haven't landed any punches. Kerry's taking a risk in assuming the vote will be a referendum on the Bush presidency. As far as I can tell, he hasn't put himself forward. He thinks that the anti-Bush vote will go to him, but it may not. The anti-Bush vote may just sit home.

I still don't know why Kerry's the nominee. What's his base?
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:42 PM
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4.  Great rant! Don't worry: some rich old news anchor will feel guilty
Like Dan Rather, maybe. One of those superrich propagandists will have a spasm of religious guilt and will give out with a pale version of a Howard Beale-I'm-Mad-As-Hell rant.....That will shame more of them into doing a better job.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:48 PM
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5. Damn right!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:59 PM
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8. I don't see the "anti-war crowd" bolting for Nader or Bush...sorry. I'm
one of them and those I've run into here in NC are defintely for Kerry/Edwards although we know both of them and in particular Edwards were very supportive of Iraq Invasion.

Maybe up in Massachusetts or else where there are "anti-Iraq Invasion" folks ready to bolt for Nader or do a "write in," but I haven't heard about it on any anti-war sites. :shrug:

I think its folks upset about lack of adherence of both parties to economic principles who will bolt. Those sick of the Corporate Corruption the spiraling debt both national and personal.
which neither party wants to address for fear of the wrath and hold backs of contributions. Those are the people who will sit home or vote third party.


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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:21 PM
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12. Just in case
you run into any "write-in-Nader" voters in NC, you might remind them that write in votes for president are not counted in NC. They are simply ignored -- a truely wasted vote.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:10 PM
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9. Your Assessment
I think your assessment fails on only one area. It presumes that in the 2000 election all factions, Republicans, Democrats, and Independents of various stripes, failed to turn out at the same rate. I would suggest the difference between then and now is that then the Republicans were out in force, with their hatred of Bill Clinton being the trigger for their patriotic rebirth. I don't think that is the case now for Bush. His most ardent supporters are still foaming at the mouth but an awful lot of his moderate to tepid supporters from 2000 simply are not on board today. Its a lot different on the Democratic side. 4 years of terror attacks by the Republicans had taken its toll on the Clinton/Gore team and going into 2000 Al Gore had not won over the party. Democrats stayed home because there was no fire under their seat, as there clearly is today, to get them out to vote.

As for the independents and undecided I pay them no mind. The independents have already made up their minds and the true undecideds will always vote against the incumbent - it was their dislike for him that caused them to be undecided in the first place.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:19 PM
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11. Not so fast, Will
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 01:23 PM by supernova
Toss onto the pile another safe assumption: The same 100 million Americans too lazy, disaffected or straight-up disgusted with politics to vote in 2000 will fail again in 2004 to summon the strength to raise their hands. Hauling a segment of this group into play will be a wash in the end; every person who decides that 9/11, the Iraq war or some other factor requires them to vote will be subsumed by another voter who buys into the canard that there is no difference between the candidates, and so voting is a waste of time.

This may be a convenient conceit for your piece, but it's not what I'm seeing. And yesterday was especially glaring.

Do you know who was in that crowd? Oh sure there were us old stalwarts: women's libbers, organized labor, various hippies, farmers, gay-rights activists, etc....

Get this: What the news reports don't tell you is there was a large contingent of young males in the 16-25 category, roughly. These are people who show up for political events only if they are extremely nerdy. Not anymore. I saw plenty of athletes and x-box types as I passed out water and sunscreen among the throngs.

And they didn't come alone. They came with a group of buddies and or they brought their girlfriends. It was very refreshing to see young people out there... interested and waiting and wondering.

I'm thinking this ticket is attracting more than the usual political crowd.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:26 PM
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13. A statistic that was thrown out at my last Democratic Club meeting
is that 35% of REGISTERED Democrats didn't vote in the last election. Most of that 35% were young people under thirty. Maybe the screw is turning now and those who were apathetic before will vote.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:39 PM
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15. Cleita, It was something
And they were glad to be there!!! They weren't goofing off, acting like young jerks can. They were attentive, respectful, and listening carefully to everything that was being said. It almost made me cry.

Unlike last time, there was a real feeling that this election *matters*. The future is at stake. The people in the crowd understood that totally. They got it.

And when John Kerry was gracious enough to ask "Do you mind if I borrow John Edwards for four years?" the crowd chanted back "EIGHT! EIGHT! EIGHT! EIGHT!" Then Kerry said "How 'bout 16?" Then a roar really went up!" :D
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 04:25 PM
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16. .
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 05:08 PM
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17. The BIG question is, will there BE an election?
A real election where the votes we cast actually count. And if not, what then shall we do?

:kick:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 06:29 PM
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18. I just wrote something very similar
But, as usual, you wrote it more eloquently. I am so glad you are out there, speaking with the passion of Patrick Henry and with the skill of so many great writers.

On a second note, one part of your article saddened me. It rings true but is so very sad. I've felt so very happy about the impact that Michael Moore might have on the election but I neglected to look at the likely media backlash. Damn, damn, damn.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 06:55 PM
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19. I don't get this.
"..voting on the basis of principle alone allows the unprincipled to win the day."

So then how should one vote to elect the principled? Unprincipled? This sounds like doublespeak, to me.

Does Kerry have principles or not? I'm pretty sure he does. He just needs to have the courage to act on them.

We'll see what happens when he wins. I understand your point, and this is Kerry's shot to prove it, once and for all.

If he doesn't come through for us, though, no one in the "anti-war" left (which I'm not part of- I'm not a pacifist) will be voting Democrat ever again. They're putting real trust in him, and I can see the results going either way. I can see Kerry becoming one of the best presidents we've ever had, perhaps even THE best, or I can see him cowing to those with no interest in what's best for America, out of fear.

Let's just hope that, given this power, Kerry will make just use of it.
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 07:23 PM
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20. As an anti-war radical
Should Kerry fall flat on his face, or in other words, botch the job of showing real principled leadership, that would in no way predict whether or not I ever voted for a Democrat again.

Perhaps that would just be an opportunity to vote for a real leader of vision and hope, like Kucinich, in 2008.

Seriously, these are critical times, and America and the world needs some responsible and principled leadership out of Washington DC.

Kerry and Edwards may have an awesome opportunity ahead to make real and meaningful change. Are they up to the challenge?

Obviously, more so than the neofascists who threaten to proliferate their regimes of death and destruction, lies and deception, hate and malicious malfeasance, with the assistance of charlatans like Nader and big corporate media and their pseudo journalists.

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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 08:00 PM
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21. Excellent read, Will, but you missed a biggie... (long - yawn alert)
....there is one more wildcard that should be mentioned:

Cheney's health is paramount. A disabling or fatal episode with his heart anytime in the next few months would resound like possibly only a major terror attack could. His connections to just about everything going on in the executive branch would not be readily maintained. Probably he alone knows a fair amount of his game plan. If he conks, the Repuglicans would very likely find themselves in serious disarray within a very short period of time.

There simply is no one on the right with both his knowledge of what's going on in the White House and his power base. Cheney suffered a heart attack shortly after the election, presumably due to the stress the election exerted on him. Cheney was nowhere near as hated then as he is now, and no matter how thick the skin on that elephant, enough poison barbs could bring him down.

From a ticket standpoint, this could work to the Repuglicans' advantage if - and only if - it were to occur before the Repuglican convention. It would be interesting to see who would replace Cheney on the ticket. John McCain, for example, would very likely stay out of the jostling, for two obvious reasons: he dislikes Bush, and he very likely would want to keep his hands clean. Most of the other possibilities lack the real power base to make the ticket workable, or are unelectable. From a power perspective, the most suitable choice would seem to be Bill Frist, or possibly Tom DeLay. DeLay has serious dirty laundry issues that have not gone away and Frist is neither as well known nor as strong in leadership within the party as DeLay is. From a popular perspective, the most feasible and winnable choices are obviously John McCain and Colin Powell, but neither would be likely to moor themselves to the Bush garbage scow. Frist is not a particularly likable man and Tom DeLay is even less so, plus DeLay has the added disadvantage of resembling an acne-ravaged toad. Therefore, a post-September removal of Cheney from this plane of existence would wreak real havoc within the Repuglican leadership due to the limited time available to find a replacement and bring him up to speed with the campaign. Pre-September, the odds are far greater that a candidate would be found, given convention week.

The implications of a Cheney departure upon the White House itself would be absolutely devastating. Cheney's actions have been the foundation of the stonewalling and intimidation tactics employed by the Bus administration. No one else, as I have observed, maintains his type of power base. The entire White House staff would likely be far more vulnerable to the consequences of their damnable actions, and leaks and whistleblowers would likely be far more common than now. Attempts to push any harder to maintain the status quo post Cheney would almost certainly backfire. I do not believe that Bush is sufficiently strong on his own as a personality or as a leader to achieve this; neither is anyone else in his inner circle. In short, the power vacuum that would be created in this event is too great for any extant Repuglican leader to fill with any degree of effectiveness, and would likely lead to a fragmentation of this administration.

Of course, there are two scenarios which would render this entire situation moot; these are, of course, the possibility that the election could be postponed, and the possibility that the election could be hijacked via fraud. I personally do not consider these to be as serious of threats as some on this board believe, but I certainly understand and to some extent share their concern. My main reason for doubting a postponement of the election is simply that the most recent precedent occurred in 1944, when America was in the midst of a bloody two-front war. The election nonetheless took place. Ironically, that war was also precipitated in a premeditated, surprise attack on Americans and occurred in roughly the same type of time frame as 9/11. For those who might counter that America's homeland is itself vulnerable now in this war, I would counter first that we have always been this vulnerable but unwilling to face that fact, and second, that even as late as 1944, if my memory of history serves, Germany was still attempting to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile (I believe that was the core aim of the V-3 project). The situation is not truly as different from 1944 as we might like to believe, with one glaring exception: the current war in which we are embroiled is clearly not with the enemies responsible for the attack of 9/11.
If this precendent is not sufficient, consider 1864, which was a true emergency situation for what was left of the Union. The remaining Union states had actually been invaded by what had essentially declared itself a foreign army. Nevertheless, the election took place, and there was a far greater reason to suspend it then than now. I believe that postponing the election would cost the Repuglican leadership more political capital than they have remaining. At that point, a Pandora's box opens and there are any number of possible outcomes, virtually none of which are likely to favor the current administration except one: the final emasculation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the installation on a one-party dictatorship. I do not believe the American people, or the military, would stand for that. At any rate, that scenario is certainly on the fringes of the far-fetched.

As for election fraud, I am even less convinced that this will occur in large measure. I am aware that only a limited number of conspirators would be needed to make this happen. The problem, however, is with the conspiracy itself. Conspiracies tend to grow, and moreover, they usually leave a paper trail, whether by incompetence in maintaining secrecy or through a deliberate attempt by one or more individuals within the conspiratorial group to make for themselves a sort of legal parachute, through which those individuals can distance themselves from the inevitable crash in which virtually all conspiracies eventually end. The number of people needed to flog, clog and hog enough voting machines to make this happen seems to me to be greater than the critical mass at which the secret would be impossible to conceal. Aside from Florida - which is openly (and, to my perception, shamelessly) operating with deliberate intent to deliver the state to George Bush, by whatever means necessary - I suspect that any fraud would likely be localized and would probably wash out at the electoral college level. Florida was a rare case, and even the shenanigans and contortions to which the election officials in that state resorted still yielded only a razor-thin margin. While the populace is still very divided, I do not expect the margin to be quite as close. Even Reagan didn't poll but about 56% of the voting public in 1984, yet he won reelection overwhelmingly. It is clear that the populace wants a change; I expect that there will be one.

Thanks for hanging in to the end, readers, and thanks to Will for making me think this much!

Mac in Ga
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:39 PM
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23. Great post
You're right. I forgot all about Cheney.

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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 08:20 PM
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22. Good read, William
Anybody ever tell you that you should be a writer? ;)
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