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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:51 PM
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Did the Binladin's fly while planes were grounded?
And did most get out without being interviewed?

A Republican neighbor tells me that one half brother was interviewed on 20/20 and said the F9/11 depiction was a lie, that's all the neighbor needed.

What did happen? I can't find anything here re the 20/20 interview.

Thanks.

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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:56 PM
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1. From michaelmoore.com
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.”

NOTE: It should be noted that even though the film does not make the allegation, strong evidence has recently come to light that at least one private plane flew to pick up Saudi nationals while private flights were still grounded. Moreover, for nearly three years, the White House has denied that this flight existed. This was reported in the June 9, 2004 St. Petersburg Times article cited below.

After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people,mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12; http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf
It should be noted that the US Customs and Border Protection documentreleased by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004 lists 162 Saudi Nationals who flew out of the country between 9/11/2001 and 9/15/2001, departing from New York’s Kennedy airport, Washington’s Dulles, and Dallas Fort Worth. http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf.
For an official list of Saudi Passport holders (names redacted) who flew out of the country between 9.11.2001 – 9.15.2001, see US Customs and Border Protection document released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004; http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf.
TheSt. Petersburg Times reported on Jun 9, 2004:
o "Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out of the country.”

o Moreover: “For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose… The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flight… The 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.

o "Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights.” Jean Heller, “TIA now verifies flight of Saudis; The government has long denied that two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to fly.” St. Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:00 PM
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5. The 9/11 Commission is a good source,
but are their any mainstream links about the flights, I'm sure Judicial Watch will be dismissed.

Did anyone see the 20/20 interview she was talking about?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:26 PM
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8. Judicial Watch shouldn't be dismissed.
They're the ones who hounded Clinton/Gore over every possible trivial issue.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:36 PM
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13. No, the document obtained by Judicial Watch was through FOIA...
...see my post #10.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:58 PM
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2. I saw Bin Laden's brother on Matt Lauer
He stated that the family did not fly out of the country until after all flights resumed in the United States. That may be true, BUT, During the period while all fights were canceled the Saudis were the only ones allowed to fly and they did. They were flown to a central location were they could all get on one plane and escape after flights resumed. Nice job MATT, you WHORE, no follow up question to ask if they flew WITHIN the country during the no fly period. American citizens could not fly but Saudis could. And there is no question concerning interviews by the FBI. No FBI agents were allowed to interview any of the Saudis.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:39 PM
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15. Bin Laden's brother was either....
....lying outright or has a bad memory. See my post #10 and click on the Judicial Watch link with a .pdf document containing the September 11th flight manifest.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 05:33 PM
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18. What day was US air space reopened to passenger flights?
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:58 PM
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3. They flew during the grounding. The Repugs are trying to muddle issue.
They were flown to several "staging points" around the country duing the flight ban. They didn't FLY OUT OF THE COUNTRY during the ban. So yes, they flew during the ban. Check the non-partisan snopes.com for more...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 01:58 PM
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4. yes they were gathered
up across the country and stayed in Kentucky(?) till the government lifted restrictions..interviewed question is posted in different threads here and websites..
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:01 PM
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6. No the planes did not fly while planes were grounded
and F911 never said that they did

What F911 said, plus numerous FBI agents was that they were not able to conduct a substantil interview of the Saudi and bin Laden families on those planes.

Here is an excerpt:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

NOTE: It should be noted that even though the film does not make the allegation, strong evidence has recently come to light that at least one private plane flew to pick up Saudi nationals while private flights were still grounded. Moreover, for nearly three years, the White House has denied that this flight existed. This was reported in the June 9, 2004 St. Petersburg Times article cited below.

---snip

Ask your republican neighbor what he thinks about a president who goes off in the middle of the war in Afganistan, and makes a pre-emptive attack against Iraq, when advisors from the previous bush administration, people in intelligence, and the pentagon told him that they were not an imminent threat to us, and that would stay focused on al queada...

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:25 PM
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7. TIA now verifies flight of Saudis
I didn't see that interview,
but here's a link to an article about how the various government agencies lied for some 3 years about no flights.

TIA now verifies flight of Saudis

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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:28 PM
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9. in F-9/11 they showed a flight manifest dated 9-13...what was that about
then? I thought it was the plane that took them all back to SA.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:32 PM
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11. I'm going to have to view that movie again,
I don't remember that scene. I will buy it on DVD, if/when it's released that way.

Maybe someone else knows.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:34 PM
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12. The TIA info is about some of the connecting flights gathering up....
...the Saudis for the flight detailed by Moore in F911.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:36 PM
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14. If you want to polish your tin foil hat Google "TIA + Saudi."
Why wouldn't it come up?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:31 PM
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10. No real serious interviews of any of the Bin Laden family members...
The plane carrying the Saudis out of the U. S. flew while planes were still grounded. Please see the following document and attached list that shows the date of their flight (this document was actually shown during F911):

<http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf>

Additionally, take a look at this article:

<http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=971322003>

Excerpt:

"Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. 'So I said: ‘Fine, let it happen.’'

He first asked the bureau to check that no-one 'inappropriate' was leaving.

'I have no idea if they did a good job,' he added.

Dale Watson, the FBI’s former head of counter-terrorism, said that, while the bureau identified the Saudis who were on the plane, 'they were not subject to serious interrogations'."
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 02:59 PM
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16. thanks..this answers my question...and how convenient bandar and shrub
have dinner on the 13th..
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 05:09 PM
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17. Here is the LINK to video of LAUER' S interview of the brother:
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 05:36 PM by LittleApple81
this past week. IT WAS SO FUNNY THAT IT WAS SAD.
This is the place for MSNBC videos.
http://msnvideo.msn.com/video/default.aspx?setcp=B&list=undefined_undefined&prepend=d0403881

In the lower portion for additional videos, Enter "Bin Laden's brother". There are two different pictures (the interview has two halves).
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