so what's the plan, stan?

[mopinko]

whether you believe that the election will be postponed or not, whether you believe that would be acceptable or not, i think the best defense is a good offense. i have heard this several times now, we need a plan. a real plan. not just "to the streets". we need a symbolic action that we all agree to take, like clanging pots and pans, or wearing white scarves, whatever.
it has to be visible, we have to be floating our own trial balloons here.
so let's go. slogans?? symbols? actions? discuss.

[AlCzervik]

1. hop on the bus gus

and get to ace hardware for pitchforks and torches. If this election were to be postponed i really think we are on our way to being a banana republic.

[mopinko]

9. ok, so if i made a button

with a pitchfork and a torch, is there a caption that would make it clear that what this means?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Wear Kerry buttons on Election Day

If for some reason the elections are not held, go to the polling place anyway, and demand a ballot.

[mopinko]

7. ttoooo late

i am talking about something that will be threat hanging in the air, well understood by all. something that starts NOW!

[NMDemDist2]

3. red shirt Fridays, start now eom

[sherrem]

5. In my very humble opinion

Red shirts on Friday are not making the kind of statement we need.

[mopinko]

10. this is a good start, tho

i think we should keep working on getting this moving. but something precisely aimed at the issue of delay of the elections is what i am trying to think about.

[Lakerstan]

34. No Red Shirts - FLAG FRIDAY!!!

Since you are asking me personally (Stan), I think we should take back the American flag from the right wing and put it out proudly in a solidarity that states we want to protect the REAL values of America, not what we have been fed by the right wing and the media. The values of Lincoln and Truman and Kennedy.

We should also fly the flag every day of the Democratic convention to show which party REALLY stands for America!

We must beat the Republicans at their own game and take back that which is rightfully ours: THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!



:bounce: :dem: :dem: :bounce:

[mopinko]

37. i love this part

"We should also fly the flag every day of the Democratic convention to show which party REALLY stands for America!
but we need something that speaks to the action that we should be taking.

[reprehensor]

4. First...

Call your Congressman and let him/her know that you want the November election to go on whether there is a terrorist act or just the threat of one.

This is unprecedented. This is a scam. This is how the Bush admin plays us all for dupes.

[AlCzervik]

6. exactly, selected idiot boy

wants to extend his unelected term. This will never fly, never. I've emailed my 2 senators already. I also plan on many ltte.

[reprehensor]

13. Let it fly!

Engage!

[mopinko]

8. please please

i don't want to discuss anything in this thread except simple, symbolic, sharp actions, and slogans. a plan that we can start touting right now. there are a gazillion threads about this, please let's get an action plan.

[tkmorris]

11. I kind of had a loose plan

I remember in November of 2000 protesting in front of the Palm Beach County Florida courthouse. I never really planned it out but I kind of figured that if this election gets stolen/cancelled/postponed that I would end up right back in front of that building, though a bit better prepared this time around. As in bring a tent, food, etc and stay for the duration. I further assume I will be arrested upon trying, but that's ok too.

[mopinko]

12. ok, good start

but what i am saying is that the left needs to make it known, starting now, what will happen exactly, and what it means.

[Pallas180]

36. Hey TKMorris- I'm in Palm Beach County too - was poll watcher

for dems. at republican area polling place -

[MidwestMomma]

14. I think if it's too dangerous to vote, then it's too dangerous to work

I know it would NEVER happen, but I think a work stoppage until elections are held would be a powerful message.

I mean think about...it would have be some pretty god-damn big threat to stop our national election. Logic dictates that if it's too dangerous to hold elections, then no employer should have the right to require their workers to leave their homes at all.

Just a thought....

[HFishbine]

15. That's superb

A nation-wide work stoppage!

[mongo]

20. That might work for the white collar class

But not for the rest of us. Too many folks waiting to get any kind of job they can. Too many people working at McD's who would be fired on the spot for not showing up for work.

[mopinko]

25. i get your point, but

are you saying that people at the bottom have no responsibility as citizens? i have a problem with any kind of infantilizing of the people who are under the thumb of anyone, be it corporation, government, or family. that's a harsh way to put it. but that kind of arguement always equates to me this way- you are down, you are powerless, you cannot fight back. let your betters fight your battles.

[T Town Jake]

39. That's spot on...

...a lot of us, myself included, have a family to feed. When the paychecks stop rolling in and there's no more groceries in the house (let alone electricity, running water, etc.) I can't very tell my kids that they're going hungry in the name of a good cause--you can't fill empty little stomachs with noble-sounding words. The best way to protest would be to write your Senator & Represenative, letters to the editor, attend mass protests when possible, etc. I, for one, don't believe it'll come to that - too much hell would be raised. Just my two cents.

[mopinko]

16. now we're talking!!!

no vote- no work

[tinrobot]

18. GOOD PLAN!

No voting. No working.

Make it meme #1 in the big book of memes.

[mopinko]

24. thank you thank you

for understanding the thread.

[Pallas180]

32. Yes . Bring the country down economically if they want it that

way; no work, no economy for them to run on.

[WillyT]

26. I Posted Similar Thoughts Earlier Today:

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1970383#1971441

But I like coming up with some sort of symbol for our intentions.

We used to, when I was a teacher, wear t-shirts on Friday that read, "If you can read this, thank a teacher!"

I'm thinking about a similar one using a graphic of the Constitution.

Or maybe a clenched fist holding a punch-card ballot using the words, "From my cold dead hands" ala Chuckie Heston!

:shrug:

But the thing is to use this warning against them.

IOW - "Hey, we're just preparing for what you warned us about. So I won't be making any purchases, or travel plans, or going to work until the emergency is over. And I'll know the emergency is over when you HOLD THE ELECTION!!!"

:kick:

[mopinko]

17. come on people

:kick:

[Still_Loves_John]

19. I think you're overreacting

Dookus has a good thread on this. President Bush's term ends in January of 2005, and they can't stop that from happening just by cancelling the elections. If they are postponed, they will only be postponed for a few weeks, and that's not going to happen unless there is a MASSIVE terrorist attack, because if they did it for anything less, people would take to the streets. But to start some kind of "revolution" just because the elections are postponed, and doing so in the midst of a massive terrorist attack, would reflect very badly on us.

[mopinko]

21. nope, nope, nope

"because if they did it for anything less, people would take to the streets"
everybody keeps saying this, but what good did the protests do when they stole the election!? and i don't think a strike is the same as a revolution. but what i am trying to say is- the best defense is a good offense. people want to know exactly what we are going to do if they try. and we need to plan it, in the open, before this crap goes any farther. take the temptation to stage an attack away from them NOW. not a threat, a promise.

[Still_Loves_John]

22. Oh ok

Sorry, I misunderstood. Protests are fine; it sounded like people were talking about rioting and stuff, which just wouldn't be good. So forgive me.

[Karenina]

23. I daresay

Until Americans take back the airwaves that have been STOLEN from them, no "plan" has a chance. It would seem to me as there are MANY who are now jobless, due in no small measure to media LIES, that an action around corporate offices and outlets could be just the thing to lift spirits. DO NOT ALLOW these media traitors to do their "job"(which is now clearly defined as screwing YOU, the American citizen). Picket their offices, stations, trucks, bobble heads, NO ONE employed by these corporations should be able to arrive at their place of "business" without seeing the PRESENCE of dozen to hundred who are willing on a DAILY BASIS to call them on their LIES.

[donhakman]

29. Here are your graphics anyway

[Elidor]

27. The sad thing is, this board is not the place

To talk about any form of civil disobedience. Agent Mike and all that. Why broadcast? That's very risky. I would urge everyone to think carefully about what they discuss publicly. The walls have ears, and no mistake.

Not to imply there is anything amiss in your discussion, nor that your goals are anything less than exemplary, but it's not a discussion that needs to court trouble. I know you're just tossing out ideas here, and I am interested in them. But...loose lips and all that that entails. If there is to be a resistance movement in the US, it has to avoid telegraphing its punches. There are a number of electronic alternatives, IIRC.

What's needed is a key.

[mopinko]

28. you missed the point

this is intended to be public, and go straight to "them". not a threat, a promise. it's not about planning for what if, it's about pre-empting.

[Elidor]

30. In Your Face, eh?

There's something to be said for that.

A thought: in the event of sudden suspension of voting rights, look for Code Red. Remain indoors until Big Brother tells you you may come out again, under pain of death.

[Pallas180]

31. My idea is a 5 million person march/stand in DC - 100 muffled

drummers with the funeral march, 100 buglers playing taps for
the death of America.

In Yugoslavia they brought down Milosevic by the people not going to
work, not buying anything, just standing outside of his palace and not
moving.

5 million people in DC clogs the city, 10 million is better, and
brings the government to a stop.

AND I agree. don;t discuss any dates or times or other details online

Set up a message board and invite people you trust.

[Pallas180]

33. We;re over on Plame Indictments #6 & came to same conclusion.

Strike.

National strike which lasts as long as there is no election

[pinto]

35. I plan on going to my local polling station and vote.

If that's closed (it's a church hall) I'll go to the County Registrars office..........

[DemBones DemBones]

38. How will you vote if there's no election?

You think the oounty registrar will allow you to vote if the election is postponed?