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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:13 PM
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Could al Qaeda determine the outcome of the election?....
If al Qaedas' main struggle with us focuses on Iraq and the current mess continues or worsens, I think BushCo will be out come November....

But if al Qaeda strikes us hard with a major attack in the US, then voters will likely rally around BushCo and we will loose....

Either way, al Qaeda may have alot to say about our next President....
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:15 PM
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1. no
i think f 9/11 is the death nail for the bush admin
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:16 PM
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2. They did in...
...Spain.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:18 PM
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3. Spain's president was already toast
when the trains got bombed. 90 per cent of the people were against sending soldiers to Iraq. I would guess a high percentage of them would have voted for the opposition who had promised to pull them out of Iraq and bring them home.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:21 PM
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5. Spain's president was already toast
Spain's president was already toast

True true... but you saw how they played it up.... the idea that people were swayed by the bombing... they had made up their minds when the protests were raging.... IMHO.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:41 PM
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15. What "toasted" the President of Spain was
that he had had attributed those train bombings to the Basque separatist terrorists (aka: "Freedom Fighters"). The Spanish people, having gone through a lengthy and murderous civil war as well as it's despotic ~30 year aftermath, are pretty well immune to such bullshit. They voted accordingly.

pnorman
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:37 PM
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12. THEY DID NOT
the people booted out the prez in Spain because he lied to them. Its OUR administration who keeps spinning that terrorists determined the outcome of that election....Spainish media doesn't. That's the new mantra here now....the message being if we oust Dubya the terrorists win.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:21 PM
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4. No.
Bush is toast either way.

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The bigger worry is that digital voting machines will be used to steal the next election, not vague terror threats.

Do not be distracted.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:26 PM
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6. I'm not so sure....
....if we get attacked big-time, the Repub-Media-Machine will try to make it unthinkable and unpatriotic to even consider removing BushCo in a time of crisis....
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:34 PM
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10. It will prove Bush failed to make us safer
& that he should be defeated for yet another reason.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:41 PM
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16. Yep.....
.....ANOTHER reason.....and still the race today is a dead-heat.....
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:27 PM
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7. No.
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s8hanse1 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:29 PM
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8. Nope
I can't imagine which way the election would go if they did. Just because an attack occurs near election times, doesn't necessarily give the power to BushCo. People may act with outrage toward BushCo for not preventing further attacks. Lord knows I would.

They may try to mess with elections, but who knows whether or not they would be able to actually determine the outcome.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:35 PM
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11. Ok.....
....let's say a BIG attack occurs.....how would Kerry handle it?....America will be thinking life and death, not election.....
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:52 PM
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18. How would Kerry handle it?
By calling Baker and Haig and making a deal to call the dogs off. That's what his lodge brother Gee Dubious would do as well.

As for the life and death argument. 9/11 simply made me angry. My immediate thought that day was "what have the bastards done now?" and my thoughts didn't go overseas looking for a bastard. This subjugation of my country by corporate interests however is making me desperate and "desperate men do desperate deeds." I don't believe that I'm alone here. If these fascists manufacture a crises that screws with the presidential election AGAIN we as a nation will be in the streets.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:30 PM
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9. Only if bush* has gotten enough of them registered to vote
:evilgrin:

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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 10:03 PM
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20. LOL
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:39 PM
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13. Who the hell is Al Kyda?
Sounds like a manufactured name from a B grade movie. Does he ride a camel? Does he save damsels or rape them. Excuse the ignorance, just asking a question.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:40 PM
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14. who needs al Qaeda?
the bushgang are just using the mention of the name "al Qaeda" to influence the campaign.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 09:52 PM
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17. I'm the one voting and NOT what any spin will try to disenfranchise me
not then, not now, not EVER. I am a proud US voter and not just another sucker. TOGETHER, we will surely prevail with THAT message and not the crawford-cow-pie meme!

On balance, even under the repugs' best spin machines, Dimson & Co. will be OUT with/ or without an al Qaeda attack -- it's the repugs's turn to suffer from the standard double-bind effect: DAMNED if they do, and DAMNED if they don't. I think they are far more likely to adopt the ol' "thwarted" the possible attack scam -- LIHOP 2.1 or MIHOP 2.1 or, the newest LIPHOPTT 1.0 (Let It Partially Happen On Purpose Then Thwart)
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 10:01 PM
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19. They certainly will not "determine the outcome"
Edited on Sun Jul-11-04 10:02 PM by gristy
That's just ridiculous. At most, they might indirectly have a minor effect on the percentages Bush and Kerry each receive.
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