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Unperson 309 (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:11 AM Original message |
Rethinking The NRA |
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amber dog democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. I like the NRA |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. OK, Point/Couterpoint: |
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amber dog democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Well, it does not mean I agree with them |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
75. Sorry about mis-spelling |
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foolmeonce (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
291. son of a school teacher and professional bench-rest shooter |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. I basically agree with you.... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
202. Sometimes, rabid, foaming at the mouth advocates are required. |
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tommilator (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. yes... many apologies |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. GASP! I never dreamed I would say that . . . |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Do a bit of... |
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Frodo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. UNTIL you can tell the difference between a rifle and a shotgun....... |
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freedomonk (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
121. huh ?.. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. I think Frodo meant that the poster should get familiar with... |
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FatSlob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
188. Go to the gungeon, the Justice/Public Safety forum. |
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brokensymmetry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
5. Welcome! |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
6. As bad as it is, I don't think we are close enough yet |
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billybob537 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. What army |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. If you wait until then.. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. No thank you |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. And I have a philospohical objection.... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Well than we are all men of honor |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
203. Heh...you said: "What could be better?" |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #203 |
268. OK |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #268 |
272. I just want to save you from being a hypocrite. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #272 |
273. I have a personal responsibility to be willing to kill? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #273 |
274. You have a personal responsibility to take care of yourself... |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 12:50 PM Response to Reply #203 |
275. You're a better man than I. |
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Unperson 309 (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. I Don't WANT To be A Lunatic! |
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Lazpash (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
277. I hope there is never a NEED |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. It hasn't happened, you say???? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
222. This is the kind of thing you'd stop with lawsuits, not guns. /nt |
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Lazpash (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #222 |
278. Yeah, that worked really well for our Jewish bretheren... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #278 |
282. To what do you refer? /nt |
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billybob537 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. Gun control |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
9. ok, here ya go. |
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Fish08 (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Sounds like fear mongering from a different perspective |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Good take. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
66. Sadly, sometimes you need one in your own home. I am lucky... |
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hansolsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Facist, corrupt dictators sitting in Washington like unarmed citizens |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
34. That explains why the neocons are hugely pro-gun. Oh, wait . . . |
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hansolsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. 90% of NRA members are pro gun because they are hunters first |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Your side controls the politics for the time being. |
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hansolsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
78. Well, I didn't mean to close off debate just because Kerry is on my side |
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Lazpash (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
279. Don't confuse him with the facts! |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #279 |
283. Typing the word "facts" isn't the same as providing actual facts. |
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Tannhauser (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
102. please don't stoop to name calling |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
204. Yup, we sure as shit pacified Iraq in record time.... |
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Rick in Maryland (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
14. Gun ownership is a privilege, not a right. When the 2nd Amendment speaks |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. You're wrong. Reasons why: |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Every court decision on the Second says "collective right" |
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Rick in Maryland (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. No court has ever ruled that the 2nd Amendment was an individual right |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. You and Mr. Benchly are wrong |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Nope... |
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Rick in Maryland (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. No, the Fifth can't |
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Rick in Maryland (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. .... but the Supreme Court already has ruled that the 2nd Amendment |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. There's a fine hair to split |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court has SAID, |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. And what the Supreme Court ruled was: "Reversed and remanded. " |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:58 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. Keep clutching at straws. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #103 |
162. Wrong again. The Supreme Court did NOT rule that the second... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. Nothing but straws, and pathetic straws at that. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Why would the NRA want to win, ever? What would be the... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #165 |
173. Here's your tinfoil hat. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. We need a cynical hat. :) n/t |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #163 |
185. Still wrong. Miller does not say that. Miller says only that... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #185 |
190. So many words. No point at all. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:20 PM Response to Reply #190 |
261. You are still wrong. Where in US v. Miller did it say that ... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #261 |
263. So many (more) words. (Still) no point at all. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #263 |
287. Why can't you find a citation from US v. Miller to back that up? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #287 |
293. What, quote every single court decision that mentions the 2nd Amendment? |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #293 |
296. Ridiculous is your assertion that |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #296 |
309. The precedent means what it means. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
209. Huh? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #209 |
224. What was the real-world result of this "finding of fact"? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #224 |
233. the finding of fact never happened. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #233 |
240. Then it doesn't matter, does it? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #240 |
250. Deleted message |
library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. A finding of fact that didn't happen does not create a binding precedent. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #252 |
255. Really? So if SCOTUS says something.... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #255 |
264. What SCOTUS said was that the Second Amendment didn't apply to Miller. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #264 |
271. Deleted message |
library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #271 |
284. Good. When you've got no actual response, try a sneer. That'll work. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #264 |
288. Site please. Where does the Spreme Court say that? n/t |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #288 |
294. I gave you the cite in #293 above. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:10 PM Response to Reply #294 |
298. The quote I'm asking for is YOUR fantasy quote where the Miller |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #298 |
310. You're being deliberately obtuse. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:04 PM Response to Reply #310 |
314. Of course no evidence was presented |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
208. Deleted message |
hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
186. Was Mr. MIller a member of any militia? Did the Supreme Court |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
207. Put up or shut up. Cite, please. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #207 |
217. You obviously already know the cite. You just don't like it. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #217 |
226. you're adding syllables to words in Miller.... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #226 |
230. Except that Miller doesn't actually say any of that. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #230 |
238. read the holding of Miller. NOWHERE..... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #238 |
242. Exactly. It says nothing about those things. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #242 |
249. What the holding of Miller says.... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #249 |
253. No, it doesn't. It says that the Second Amendment was not relevant to |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #253 |
256. Fine. In that case, it'll be easy for you to prove. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #256 |
265. You've seen this before. You're being disingenous and you KNOW it. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #265 |
270. oh horsecrap. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #270 |
285. Language! |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #285 |
289. What's "FANTASY " is YOUR claim that the Supreme Court |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #289 |
295. For all of your long-winded rhetoric, |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #295 |
297. For all of your sophistry, you can not locate where the Miller ... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:53 PM Response to Reply #297 |
311. It's not spin, it's fact. Every case that cites Miller agrees. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
206. Wrong. Read Emerson. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #206 |
218. Emerson ruled that the Second Amendment did not apply to the case in hand. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #218 |
227. But it DID find that the Second Amendment enumerates... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #227 |
231. Not in the decision. The decision was that the Second Amendment |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #231 |
235. You're really starting to bore me.... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #235 |
239. Sorry you don't like the facts. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #239 |
241. because I A) don't have standing.... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #241 |
245. You don't have to be the appellant, just the attorney. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. ever hear of the term "ambulance chasing"? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
205. Hmmmm...."right"...."people"....."shall not be infringed"..... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #205 |
219. "Well-regulated militia" . . . |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #219 |
229. Au, contraire...you can't pick and choose how a single word is used... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #229 |
232. No, this is DoNotRefill's opinion. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #232 |
234. Really? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Really. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #229 |
331. I like the way the judge in the Emerson case put it. He said... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #331 |
334. There's nothing like that in Emerson. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #334 |
336. Reread the full decision. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #336 |
337. Reread? (nt) |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #336 |
342. Nice suggestion - easier for you than actually finding a quote, I guess. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #342 |
344. Try here |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #344 |
347. And look what I found there. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #347 |
348. Keep reading. It gets interesting. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #348 |
350. Say what you're going to say or drop it, please. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #350 |
351. I think you would benefit from reading the full decision and... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #351 |
353. But since I've already done that, kindly put up or shut up. /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #353 |
356. If you say you have, you have. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #356 |
360. So you've got nothing. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #360 |
364. There is plenty there but you are going to have to read. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #351 |
354. He's just "selectively ignoring" all of the |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #354 |
357. Pobrecito. Sorry I hurt your feelings. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #357 |
359. My feelings are fine. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #359 |
361. Quotation marks, not commas. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #361 |
365. I don't see how |
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Lazpash (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
280. That is faulty "logic"... |
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cheezus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
18. Okay, you try to fight off the US military. Go ahead. |
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VTMechEngr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. I doubt the Military would fully obey to murder Americans. |
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voice of reason (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
74. true dat |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
95. Maybe not military |
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neverborn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
181. A nuke? Are you joking? |
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mrfrapp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
19. Michael Moore |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
23. Well the NRA IS right wing, racist AND dishonest... |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Blatantly untrue |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Yes, but if you read ALL of US v Emerson, |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Too TOO funny... |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. NRA, ACLU any organization fighting for people's rights |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. I agree wholeheartedly (at least with the first part) |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:38 AM Response to Reply #57 |
93. The ACLU is an honest broker. The NRA is a dishonest front. |
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gatlingforme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
99. You summed up my perspective quite nicely. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
25. I think this comment of yours says it all -- |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I thought it was against the rules to speak calmy and sensibly ... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
115. People in the country own guns |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
27. You're going to stand against the US military with your gun(s)? |
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Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Great reply, but what do you think the Iraqis are doing? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. So Iraq is your model? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
210. heh... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #210 |
220. Man oh man. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #220 |
223. Well, it depends. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #223 |
228. Does the military seem to be leaving Iraq? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #228 |
243. and why will we have a regime change here? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #243 |
248. The economy, civil liberties, the Supreme Court, the environment, |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #248 |
251. So you're saying that those issues..... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. Once again, your opinion. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
118. Great idea! A lot better |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #118 |
134. Most of the supporters of this cockamamie idea |
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Lazpash (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #134 |
281. I'm not a "gun enthusiast" ... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #281 |
286. Okay, now please wipe the spittle off your monitor screen. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
211. Heh... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #211 |
266. And then there are the Mad Max wannabees |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #266 |
330. I see a lot of them during my morning commute. :) n/t |
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Frangible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
35. I still don't like the NRA... |
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hozedork (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
38. The NRA loves Republicans |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Interesting... |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Question on the 60 day limit |
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taxidriver (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
43. "The hidden 5,000 lb elephant in the room " is the reason for my arsenal. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
46. I loathe the NRA |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. A lot of NRA members loathe the NRA also, but it is the... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:47 AM Response to Reply #46 |
94. There is more than plenty of good rational for regluation of guns. |
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ronabop (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:39 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. ITYM rationale |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
212. your argument works just as well... |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
48. I support gun control |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. They have this thing called NICS now. |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I haven't heard of it. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Sure. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
52. Sorry, I don't think this arguement is valid. |
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Frangible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. No, it doesn't. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. The text of the second amendment |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I ask this with all due respect, but do you know what positions... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Do I spend a lot of time reading NRA positions? |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Were they ever arguing that machine guns not be regulated? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Fighting in the streets does not sound like much fun to me also... |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
84. If "arms " includes nuclear weapons, does each State ... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. Scan the Congressional Record for the NRA and some of its... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Too Too Funny... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. Who said anything about elected officials? n/t |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:34 AM Response to Reply #80 |
97. So then you mean the NRA's own band of numbskulls |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:58 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. To my knowledge the have never given any serious... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. So then what is the congressional crap you want us to look at |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. See post #58 |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Post # 58 says precisely nothing.... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. If you can't understand post #58, you wouldn't know how to... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:21 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. I can understand post #58...it's contentless pap |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. It just says to search for the keywords I suggested. What you... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. And it's won't be worth reading, judging from past experience... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. It would be an awful lot to post, but thanks for keeping the thread... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Always happy to show how dishonest the arguments for "gun rights" are.... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Then please show them. This should be interesting. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #126 |
142. Gee, jay...if they were honest |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #142 |
155. You will have to show them since you are the only one that... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
176. Contentless post #58 |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #176 |
182. Line #176 = Null |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
59. You are absolutely right - I have been intending to join |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
63. The Supreme Court... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. And the 5th District decision in Emerson, |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'm a member and have been for over ten years.... |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
79. Here's a better idea-- organize a left-leaning version of the NRA |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
81. NRA = National Republican Rifle Association |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. That's a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:16 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. John Kerry will be called a gun grabber, just wait |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Kerry has only himself to blame. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
106. Yet another ringing endorsement of our nominee |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. The post is true. Kerry has chosen to stick with the Anti-2nd... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:22 AM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Amazing isn't it.... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Who is bashing John F. Kennedy? Or LBJ? Or Edwards? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:26 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Jinkies, which prominent Democrat running for President |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Kerry, obviously. n/t |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #106 |
123. Endorsements have to be earned. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
138. Yeah, how utterly unreasonable to expect to read positive stuff |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. It's very simple. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #139 |
147. And if this were the GunsForEveryone website, that'd make perfect sense. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. It makes perfect sense. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #86 |
108. You can expect gun nuts all over the web to lie their asses off, feeb... |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
124. Assuming that's true, |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
214. Why will Kerry be called a gun grabber? Here's why: |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #214 |
236. So again, slam Kerry on DU and pretend that that's okay. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #236 |
244. How is that a slam? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #236 |
246. Yeah, I know, MrBenchley.... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #246 |
257. Oooh...what a retort from a "pro gun democrat" |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #257 |
269. I wish that were true, MrBenchley.... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:09 AM Response to Reply #269 |
324. I am sure he will try and it will be a repeat of the early 1990s. n/t |
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DNA (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
87. I have to tell you, unperson |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:55 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Right. |
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DNA (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:01 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. If you're going to argue |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. You should come down to the dungeon. |
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DNA (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:15 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Don't know what that is. |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Justice/Public Safety |
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Romulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:59 AM Response to Reply #91 |
104. that;'s because of several things: |
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Tannhauser (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #89 |
110. these stats don't tell the whole story |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
135. Illegally-obtained guns were once legally-obtained guns. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Actually, the biggest supplier of illegal guns and the cause of... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. What the hell? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. The "business" that is the illegal drug market is a super-... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. What does that have to do with guns? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Contraband = drugs, guns, etc. Do you know if you have a... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #150 |
156. So, no facts. What a surprise. /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:17 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Ooooh...I got plenty of information on my side. My suggestion to... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:55 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. So, no facts. What a surprise. /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Here is one report that has about all issues in one place. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Well, I'll say this for your site - it crashes impressively. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. What version of Acrobat are you using? I can post the HTML... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. What is it with you and facts & figures? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Well, it is a complex issue and does require a bit of study, which... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. That won't cut it. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Here are some facts and figures, just by way of a demonstration. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. I see what you are thinking about now. You are looking at... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #183 |
192. But all the guns you are talking about began in legal markets in the US. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #192 |
195. These are heavily regulated legal markets but control at... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #87 |
152. WTF? |
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Gruenemann (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
125. Your argument is based on the assumption |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #125 |
215. Uh huh...and what did Ghandi say about the British.... |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
128. You make very good points. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. "background checks, waiting periods, etc." |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Hearsay |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. I know some people like that...but then I think they may be... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Now Jay... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Considering that the final draft of the bill had the NRA's... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Hillary Clinton's health care plan |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. I think you can get to the final discussion through Thomas now. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Too too funny.... |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. That was how the bill died. n/t |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #136 |
144. Really, how desperate do you have to be |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #144 |
151. Who said they supported it? |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #151 |
158. You did. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. I left the question's answer entirely up to you, as you can see. n/t |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #133 |
143. Mostly where they tore it apart.... |
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CO Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
153. NRA = "Nuts Ruining America" |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #153 |
318. The NRA isn't a fringe group |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
157. The NRA will be raising MILLIONS for Bush |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #157 |
166. Yup, money that could be going to the Democrats if they... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #166 |
178. In other words, if Demnocrats pandered to extremists like the GOP does |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. No pandering. The "Demnocrats" would have to admit that... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #184 |
193. Tomato, tomahto. Two ways of saying exactly the same thing. /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #193 |
196. Changing to something that is proving effective is not... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #184 |
200. In other words, they'd have to lie their asses off and pander to scum |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
168. The Constitution does not give you the right to armed rebellion- |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. I think the posts that have that sort of message are those where... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. Oh, you've done it now! |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #172 |
180. Its ridiculous to speak of armed rebellion as a "last resort" |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #168 |
197. If the government knocks on your door to take you away |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #197 |
258. Thanks for the in put Reverend Koresh. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #168 |
216. ya might want to reread the Declaration of Independence.... |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #216 |
276. There ya have it |
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FatSlob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
187. I'm an NRA member. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Do you find the NRA to be full of racists? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #189 |
191. I know the howler in question. :) |
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FatSlob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #189 |
194. Don't find it to be that way at all. |
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mosin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #189 |
201. As a lifelong... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #201 |
225. Is it responsible to demand that owners not use trigger locks? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #225 |
306. who is demanding that gun owners NOT use trigger locks? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #189 |
305. is any group free of racists? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
198. The NRA is one of the most counter-productive, un-American |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. I thought they are a small fringe group... n/t |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
213. You are not alone. The Busheviks have made MILLIONS of anti-gun folks |
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Zen (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
221. I know my opinion will be lost in this long thread - but I bought a gun |
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stavka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #221 |
259. Good for you - |
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taxidriver (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #259 |
260. interesting how all of the people who are flaming this guy probably |
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Zen (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #259 |
262. Either my Aspergers Syndrome makes it hard for me to understand the |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
267. The US Military is powerful enough for global conquest. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #267 |
290. I think you are over-generalizing. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 05:28 AM Response to Reply #290 |
292. It is true that I could be guilty |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #292 |
299. I have been doing some work on this Olson guy |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #299 |
378. Norm is also a fundamentalist preacher. |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #290 |
307. The Black Panthers were a militia group.... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #307 |
313. The Black Panthers were not a militia group. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #313 |
317. I found something about a Black Panther Militia. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:19 AM Response to Reply #317 |
329. But this is not the original Black Panthers group at all. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
300. I agree with you! |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 08:38 AM Response to Reply #300 |
301. If not the NRA, who? Certainly you are not relying on the ACLU to |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #301 |
302. Are you saying that the NRA is the enemy of the gov't? |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #301 |
303. I couldn't support the NRA |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #303 |
304. They put the right to own ANY type of gun ahead of every |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #304 |
308. imagine that....God Damn the AARP for not supporting Head Start... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #304 |
312. So halleluiah and praise the Lord for Republican organizations. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 10:14 PM Response to Reply #312 |
316. The NRA is not a Republican organization. They will support... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:05 AM Response to Reply #316 |
323. They aren't exactly sympathetic to the dems. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #323 |
325. Nope, they have not had much of a reason to support us in... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #316 |
326. They give millions to Republicans, zippo to Democrats. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #326 |
327. I respect your opinion but neither of us wrote the manual for... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:04 PM Response to Reply #300 |
315. Throughout history, the populace has been able to arm itself |
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UNIXcock (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
319. I am but a humble vote, however ... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #319 |
321. Defend it from who? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
320. I am pro-gun, and anti-NRA |
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DaveSZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:00 AM Response to Reply #320 |
322. We'll see how much the NRA is worth if they endorse Bush again |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #322 |
328. "Liberals should own guns or else . . ." |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
332. I guess the sides will be even when the US military attacks the home grown |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #332 |
333. It is doubtful that they would have to do it themselves. The... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #333 |
335. Then what's the problem? |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #335 |
338. So did you ever figure out how to get guns banned |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #335 |
339. Well, I don't think they would follow orders to attack but I am... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #339 |
343. Likely to need firearms in the event of a natural disaster? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #343 |
345. You ever live through a major hurricane? You are on your... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #345 |
349. Why yes, thank you, I have. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #349 |
352. Aside from living in Orange, you were lucky that there were... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #352 |
355. Were there any? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #355 |
358. No one was stupid enough to cause much trouble. When the... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #358 |
362. So again, where's the need for the guns? /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #362 |
363. Well, guess one reason why no one caused much trouble. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #363 |
366. I think you were just keeping the elephants away. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #366 |
367. We had our share of people that would not think much of taking... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #367 |
368. So the evidence for your argument is that you think so? |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #368 |
369. There can be no evidence if nothing happened. This is the same... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #369 |
370. Elephants. /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #370 |
371. I was there; you were not. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #371 |
375. As I pointed out, I had a similar situation. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #375 |
376. Like I said, I was there. I'm a much better judge of the attitudes... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 10:43 AM Response to Reply #376 |
377. Oh, yes, the LA riots. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #377 |
379. For those that had them and were willing to display them, it did. |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #379 |
380. Urban legends. /nt |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #380 |
382. These stories were reported while the riot was in progress. If... |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #382 |
383. Cite, please, preferably not from a gun propaganda site. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #383 |
384. The video was from CNN and to my knowledge was not... |
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Alex146 (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
340. if I can say 'fuck' |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #340 |
341. Someone made a good point somewhere around here recently. |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #341 |
346. I do wonder if they will endorse him. He hasn't really done... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 07:36 AM Response to Reply #346 |
372. Do you think that they are waiting on the result of the AWB? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:14 AM Response to Reply #372 |
373. Consider that their rancid "radio news" is slandering Kerry now |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #372 |
374. I think they made a statement to that effect, but I may be wrong. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
381. It's official |
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JayS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #381 |
385. Let's get it to 999 + 1. I want to see if 1000 posts can be displayed. |
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386. It can and it has. |
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