Title 3 of the U.S. code covering the election of the president

[Walt Starr]

TITLE 3 THE PRESIDENT

Chapter 1. Presidential Elections and Vacancies

§ 1. The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

Failure to make choice on prescribed day

§ 2. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

So why is anybody making an issue of this? We're already covered for just such a possibility and the New York 9/11 primary is the model for how to cover it!

[daveskilt]

1. so say an attack in florida postpones the election there

then jeb gets to decide who to apoint as electors. that is a bit of an issue for me.

[Walt Starr]

3. Nope, the state legislature determines when and how

so long as they make the December deadline for the electors to cast their ballots.

And the local authority should simply hold the election on a different day.

[xray s]

4. I don't read it that way

It looks to me that sect.2 requires an election to be held first. The state legislature can't choose electors in leiu of an election. They can only do so if the results of the election are not decided by a prescribed date after the election. That is what we were facing in Florida in 2000.

[fairfaxvadem]

7. Yes, there has to be an election...

It's only if the outcome is not able to be determined that you go to the infamous Plan B.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but elections are driven by the states, not the federal government so this whole thing of postponing elections by federal fiat is a bunch of hooey.

And hey, if they feel they can find a way to suspend elections, then they can find a way to make sure all Americans vote in exactly the same manner, during the same hours of the day, etc.

And hey, while they're at it, they can decide that we should vote on a Saturday and not on a Tuesday...

[Freya]

53. No

There does not technically have to be an election for the president. This actually was the way it was envisioned when the constitution was written. (which is why we have the elctoral college)

It is up to each state (or the national congress as per Article 4 of the constitution) to decide when, how, and where. This is why Title 3 USC exists, because congress derives its authority to create this section of Title 3 USC from Article 4 of the constitution. If congress so desired they could repeal this and write something else.

A state legislature - if it wanted to and was not overruled by the national congress - could decide that electors would be chosen by a flip of a coin.

Likewise - they do not have to have an election to choose those electors. Remember - when you go to vote you are NOT voting for the president - you are voting for ELECTORS that in turn will vote for whoever the majority (except in 2 or so states) desired. Over time, however, every state has decided they want to hold a popular vote and choose the electors that way. (this is also how gore won the popular vote but lost in the electoral college)

Still, the legislatures could alter that method and decide electors with out an election.

Regardless - the constitution states that either the state legislatures or the national congress shall decide the time, places, and manner of elections. NO OTHER BODY has authority to do so. If congress or a state legislature were to delay the election, manner of choosing electors, etc that would be legal - however it would be grossly unconstitutional for a member of the executive branch to assume such authority.

[Walt Starr]

57. You're absolutely correct

The State Legislature could decide the electors will be chosen by the results of a potato sack race, and there's not thing one the public could do about it except vote the idiots out.

Please note, this does not require a terrorist attack to happen, either!

[shoelace414]

5. that was a plan

if the recount continued and gave it to Gore.

have the state just name their own delegates to the electoral college and all vote for voldemort.

[Seabiscuit]

6. Read Title 3, Section 2 again...

It says:

"§ 2. Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct."

Jeb Bush is Governor of Florida. He doesn't get to appoint any electors. The Florida *legislature* *direct*s the appointment.

[hrhdeb]

2. Someone should tell dubya's peeps.

http://www.votewhileyoustillcan.com

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. It is a simple case of hysteria.

I'm not saying not to be vigilant, I'm not saying to be complacent, I'm just saying that there is no reason to get hysterical about the issue at this point.

[Walt Starr]

10. I emailed the applicable code to Judy woodruff

We'll see if she clarifies the issue with the applicbale code.

My guess is she continues to push the hysteria because it's good for ratings.

[midwayer]

9. Walt Starr

You seem like the man that might be able to address this:

Can you please?

"To put this in some context, the president now has the absolute authority, under the expansion of the War Powers Act of 1947 therein contained in the USA Patriot Act. This expansion of these powers means, in this case, that once the president declares a State of National Emergency, which he did on September 14, 2001, three days after the 9-11 incident, that effectively authorizes the president to do a variety of things—postpone elections, cancel elections, impose a state of martial law, order the arrest of any legislative or judicial members of government, etc. Those powers had always existed. However the president couldn’t act without the consent of Congress. He couldn’t assume these imperial powers without a super-majority vote in Congress and without a majority opinion from the Supreme Court.

The USA Patriot Act, however, sidelines the legislative and judicial branches from their oversight role – legislative oversight or judicial review after the President declared a state of National Emergency. It gives the president the power to act by edict."

more....

Sedition & Treason in the US Imperial State


http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/Articles/Ashcroft/sedition.htm

[midwayer]

11. Are we not now in a State of National Emergency? (eom)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

12. The assertions in that paragraph are simply untrue.

All that inflammatory stuff is a complete fabrication.

[Walt Starr]

Correct, that's why Bushco* is fishing for a way to usurp

legislative and state authority for himself where elections are concerned.

They are backed in a corner and like a cornered rat, they are trying to bite!

As long as it gets out that there is coverage for a scenario where an attack occurs on election day, they will be unable to usurp this power!

[HamdenRice]

16. I'm worried we are looking for the wrong strategy

I enjoy your fact and code filled posts, but I just think that all of use are expecting something much more "spectacular" than the Bush admin really needs to pull off. It's like many DUers are preparing for a dictatorial assumption of electoral power on election day, when all the admin really needs to do is affect a few swing districts. If we gear ourselves up for something big, and all Bush does to win is postpone the voting in say Cleveland and Fort Lauderdale, we won't be able to rally the base to vote in the postponed districts.

[Walt Starr]

18. Actually, I think we could rally the base even more

and the ONLY way to stop it is to have an ACTUAL attack.

People have become NUMBED to the endless "terra 'lerts!" Simply raising the alert to orange won't keep the voters away, or if it does it will keep Dumbass*'s base away. Those who want him out will go through hell and high water to vote.

[midwayer]

14. Are you sure about that

and I will tell you why.

Al Martin is on every Friday on the Tony Trupiano Radio show pronouncing this to the whole City of Detroit and Internet listeners.

If what you are saying is correct then he needs to be debunked

Are you sure he can't overide US Code through the power of edict within the Pat Act?

[Walt Starr]

15. I can't find any case where Al Martin has actually been RIGHT!

Seriously, somebody could spend forty hours each week just debunking Al Martin. He's not a credible source for anything!

[midwayer]

29. But I can't find anything on the web

that debunks him, are you sure that is not because they can't?

[Walt Starr]

30. No, it's because why would anybody bother?

He's as big a whackjob nutcase as LaRouche!

[midwayer]

31. Why bother?

It does bother me that we may have half the City of Detroit and surrounding areas possibly believing what he is saying and we have a fair amount of DU progressives who listen to Trupiano.

AND if he is lying then he needs to be debunked.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Only a totally brainless idiot would take that guy seriously.

Lots of people make moronic statements that other morons believe. Big deal.

[midwayer]

35. I'm not so sure that you

have a very good pulse on what the average joe in this country is all about. The average joe on the street know's nothing about the Patriot Act. It doesn't seem to phase you that many American's are being fed this and ARE believing it.

It is a big deal

[midwayer]

37. And contrary

to your belief the average joe is not a moron

but you have just told me something about yourself

[Walt Starr]

40. Dude, Al Martin went on for years about UFOs!

He's the most paranoid and delusional whackjob out there!

He makes Limbaugh and the trest seem sane by comparison!

[midwayer]

42. I did not know this, thank you (eom)

[supercrash]

52. I have noticed

Alot of people bash Al Martin...then fail to mention just 1 lie he has told

dozens of posters...all failed to point out a lie..or anyreason for their attack.

Can anybody point out WHY Al is not credible ?

I have used his stock advice and made money.

[Walt Starr]

59. One name

John Titor.

Look it up. Biggest internet hoax of all time and it was pushed forward by Martin.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

19. Read the act for yourself. No such powers are granted to the Prez

USA-PATRIOT Act: http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

[midwayer]

27. What you just posted

is dated Oct 24

Under Presidential Authority they only made ammendments

where is the rest of the document? The original that was passed Sept 14? They kinda left something out here



SEC. 106. PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY.
Section 203 of the International Emergency Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1702) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(1)--
(A) at the end of subparagraph (A) (flush to that subparagraph), by striking `; and' and inserting a comma and the following:
`by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;';
(B) in subparagraph (B)--
(i) by inserting `, block during the pendency of an investigation' after `investigate'; and
(ii) by striking `interest;' and inserting `interest by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; and';
(C) by striking `by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States`; and
(D) by inserting at the end the following:
`(C) when the United States is engaged in armed hostilities or has been attacked by a foreign country or foreign nationals, confiscate any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, of any foreign person, foreign organization, or foreign country that he determines has planned, authorized, aided, or engaged in such hostilities or attacks against the United States; and all right, title, and interest in any property so confiscated shall vest, when, as, and upon the terms directed by the President, in such agency or person as the President may designate from time to time, and upon such terms and conditions as the President may prescribe, such interest or property shall be held, used, administered, liquidated, sold, or otherwise dealt with in the interest of and for the benefit of the United States, and such designated agency or person may perform any and all acts incident to the accomplishment or furtherance of these purposes.'; and
(2) by inserting at the end the following:
`(c) CLASSIFIED INFORMATION- In any judicial review of a determination made under this section, if the determination was based on classified information (as defined in section 1(a) of the Classified Information Procedures Act) such information may be submitted to the reviewing court ex parte and in camera. This subsection does not confer or imply any right to judicial review.'.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

32. I'm sorry you are having trouble understanding it.

However, your objections to my post are not valid.

where is the rest of the document?

There is no 'rest of the document' except in your imagination.

[midwayer]

34. I see its to amend the US code

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/index.html

That would be the "rest of the documentation" and the answer to my question which you seem not able to answer

Thanks but no thanks for your enlightening answer

[Feanorcurufinwe]

44. In fact, you are wrong. There is no 'rest of the document'.

The entire USA-PATRIOT ACT: http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

Another link for the entire USA-PATRIOT ACT: http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/20011025_hr3162_usa_patriot_bill.html

Another link for the entire USA-PATRIOT ACT: http://www.aclu.org/Files/getFile.cfm?id=12250

Another link for the entire USA-PATRIOT ACT: http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/terrorism/patriotact.pdf



Yes, like most laws passed by Congress, the Act amends other portions of US Code.

[midwayer]

13. I also hear

that through the Patriot Act 1 passed Sept 14 2001 States rights go away under State of Emergency, the Feds/Homeland Security.

Please advise

Thanks

[gasperc]

23. good God, the super majority clause was sidelined by the Patriot act

shit, what hell are we in for

[Walt Starr]

26. Read teh source, Al Martin

Martin is not a credible source.

[trogdor]

17. Not only that.

Amendment XXII, section 3 of the US Constitution states that in the case where a President and Vice President are not qualified by Jan 20th (ex. a Bush v. Gore situation where key results are in dispute), Congress appoints an acting President, who serves until such time as the issue of qualification has been resolved. Thus, somebody is still in charge of the executive branch.

The scary part would be, who would the Congress pick? Bush?

[Blue Wally]

21. If we assume.......

That the same rults apply as for a Congressional vote in case no candidate gets a majority of the electoral college (which the framers of the Constitution thought would be the normal course of events).

1. The members of the House from each state vote.

2. If one candidate gets the majority of a state delegation, that state votes for the candidate.

3. If no candidate gets a majority or if the state is "hung" (i.e. splits fifty-fifty), that state cast no vote.

4. Winner is he who carries a majority of the fifty states.

5. Senate elects VP by simple vote.

[midwayer]

20. This is not just about postponing the election

This is about just HOW much power these Straussian's have already
usurped, possibly, right under the American people's noses.

I e-mailed Thom Hartmann and Guy James to see if we can get a response.

And Tony Trupiano and Al Martin need to be confronted by someone who knows as well on Friday. If he is wrong he will be debunked at some point I'm sure and he should not be stating these things to the whole City of Detroit and across the airwaves.

It's too serious.

Patriots ask questions

[gasperc]

22. we can't have 50 different elections on 5 or 6 different days

I don't believe there should be a change for any reason. Every effort must be made to maintain the elections on the constitutional date to show the world that democracy can survive such an attack and is greater and more powerful than any terrorist attack. A change in the election date would be a concession to the terrorists that the people of the United States of America are a fearful, capitulating people who cower to the threat of attack or attacks themselves. All efforts must be that the elections will go as planned, that Democracy is the best way for a civilized people to be governed. We must defend this for the sake of the soldiers that have died and for those that are putting their lives on the line throughout the world today. It is for the freedom, the free will that God gave us, to choose our representatives on the day known the world over, the first Tuesday in November. Not during the civil war, WWI, WWII, Korea,Vietnam or any other such period has the vote been "postponed", nor should it now.
Without a doubt, this is a ploy by the GOP to sow the seeds of confusion, to instill fear in the weak minded and to try and buy time to twist votes in their favor after the shock has worn off. Should the date be moved then the democracy is dead. And with the court's decision on 12/12/00 it is clearly on life support.

[Cicero]

24. Ah ha... now we get to the crust of biscuit

Since we now know we already have an act of Congress defining what would be done in the event that the election may need to be delayed in any one state (or several), why now all this clamor for new rules?

Later,

[Walt Starr]

25. Clearly, Bushco* is trying to usurp that power

It currently resides in the federal and state legislative branches.

Bushco desires fullout absolute federal authority to determine if and when an election should be postponed.

Isn't it an obvious ploy?

[radfringe]

28. just my 2-cents from the tea leaves

bush* postpones the election based just on a "threat" and he's going to be packing his bags for Crawford for good

meanwhile -- scroll down to bottom right corner for FOOLED YOU ONCE toon
http://radicalfringe.freeservers.com/

[Joanne98]

36. What about the "Homeland Security Act"

And the laws for the color code. Doesn't Red mean you can't leave your house? Has anybody looked for Presidental Orders? Look how sneaky they were when they funded the mercenaries through the Interior Department. There's probably something somewhere. We just don't know where to look.

[Walt Starr]

39. Nope, the constitution superceds the Patriot Act

An Executive Order *might* be able to cancel elections. But if Bush issued such an order, we've got bigger problems than an election.

[midwayer]

41. Walt Starr

Thank you, that was the answer I was looking for, I was just looking for that answer is all.

Now was that so hard? :)

[Joanne98]

45. The RW conspiracy theory sites

used to say that Clinton wrote a presidental order about declaring Marshall Law. They used to post the number but I haven't seen it in a few years. BTW I agree about Al Martin. I wish people would quit listening to him.

[midwayer]

55. The only part I think you

may have left out is

Except when in a State of National Emergency

[Swamp Rat]

38. I say open the polls November 2nd, and don't close them until every

American has a chance to vote. It's OUR country.

[Joanne98]

43. Here's a thread about FEMA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1973615

[Joanne98]

46. Here's a website dealing with pres. orders

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/presidential-orders.cfm

Dealing with terrorism

[AntiCoup2K4]

47. First step in fighting this bullshit.

Quit living in the illusion that the Neocons and the terrorists are two separate entities. Wakeup to the reality, sickening as it may be, that the so-called pResident and the criminals surrounding him are the ones who committed the last attack, and they will be the ones committing the next one, if indeed there is one. While I can't blame anyone for wanting to deny this, there simply is no way around it, given all the facts in evidence concerning 9-11-01.

You must accept the ugly truth before it gets uglier. Then you must decide whether to fight these bastards, or accept their fascism.

Can anybody PROVE me wrong?

[Walt Starr]

48. I can't buy into MIHOP or LIHOP

I'm a Let It Happen Through Incompetence kind of guy.

[AntiCoup2K4]

54. I could buy "incompetence" if not for three things

First, and most important is the association between the Bush & Bin Laden families which goes back to the 1960's. The Hinkley family were also long time Bush associates. One of their kids turned out to be a convenient "bad guy" for Poppy, though it's arguable whether he was supposed to kill Reagan or just scare him into towing the line for the BCE. Poor old Ronnie apparently thought he was the actual President.

So the precedent for a a family friend doing their dirty work is there. So is Osama's track record of working for Poppy (i.e. Afghanistan)

There is also the possibility that Osama really does hate the Bush family and is taking it out on America, because he believes they murdered his brother Salem. It was Salem's money (aided by James Bath) which launched Junior's first company, and like so many who have crossed the BCE's path, Salem died in a mysterious plane crash. By all accounts an excellent pilot, the eldest Bin Laden brother took an unexpected sharp turn into high voltage power lines shortly after takeoff. From Texas, of course.

The second thing is the shameless way the Fraudministration has used false terror "threats" as a tool of manipulating public fear (not to mention rewarding GOP contributors such as the owner of MANCO (the duct tape company)

I don't believe they would be crying wolf so often if they really believed there were a legitimate danger. From somebody other than them selves that is.

The inability to thwart the Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon on 9-11 was far beyond incompetence, it was willfull negiligence. Let's face it, as awful as seeing the second plane hit the WTC was, the part of that day that concerned me the most was that "they" were able to hit the fucking Pentagon. The Pentagon, which is the heart of the machine supposed to be defending this country, and yet it can't defend itself from a highjacked airplane with over an hour's notice. I'm not a fan of golf by any means, but even then I recalled the Payne Stewart tragedy and how fast the military responded to that situation - one civilian aircraft flying over a lot of empty space.

The Pentagon, even more than the WTC, was chosen as a target to perpetuate FEAR. Would an actual enemy target the Pentagon if given a chance? Of course. But the Air Force would be there to protect the building, especially with that much advance notice. No, this wasn't mere incompetence. This was an ordered "stand down". And whoever gave that order didn't do it with an Arab accent.

[AirAmFan]

49. Follow the FEAR! Might Soaries' office have a hidden agenda?

I saw "bowling for Columbine" again on cable last night. I was reminded how well Dubya and Rove have mastered psyops on the American people. IMO, the "Homeland Ballot Security" issue is just another manipulation of American fears, to distract us from organizing to defeat Republicans in November. For Karl Rove, "Homeland Ballot Security" is just another "new product".

Consider the timing for its rollout, just as Kerry is introducing his VP choice to the American people. Rove is yelling, "Hey, look over there!" And funding for this distracion and diversion is assured until Election Day, at taxpayer expense!

As long as lawyers can debate the need for new legislation until November, and Ridge, Ashcroft and Soaries are meeiting to discuss "protecting" our votes, "Homeland Ballot Security" may be serving its hidden purpose.

[sandraj]

56. Good points

This election postponement "stuff" is just more of the same from the man who frightened people into buying duct tape and plastic sheeting last year after elevating the terror alert status based on false information.

I searched the web to see if anyone has compiled a list of terror alerts since 9/11, the major news stories at the time, and alerts that simply faded away vs. those based on false info.

Nothing out there that I can find, but a terror-alert timeline would be interesting.

In the meantime I did find some good analysis of our crazy alert system from Working for Change from Feb 19, 2003.

Who you gonna call? Mythbusters
Organizers' Collaborative aims to detect and correct government-sponsored bunkum before it takes hold

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14525

(snip)

It's getting harder to sift through the chatter and take much of anything the government says about Iraq or the war on terrorism seriously, let alone believe government-issued terrorist warnings. (Let's not forget the recent FBI warning that five suspected terrorists had crossed the U.S. border from Canada. Within hours, pictures of the five blanketed the 24/7 news channels and the Internet, and even the president called on the American people to be on the lookout for the five. It took a few days, but FBI officials eventually admitted they had been snookered by an informant.) And, as is the case in most media-induced fear-fests, when the correction comes, it's too late to stem the jitters.

"What if the media were to report a false story, and then fail to correct that false story until three or four days later? What if the story were circulated in all the major papers and media web sites, and all the talk shows were buzzing about it? What if then, the story fed on itself, so that the reaction to the story became even bigger than the original story? And finally, what if, by the time the original story is corrected (on page 34 most likely, or the digital equivalent), it is dwarfed by the reaction to the original false story? So that, it was as if the correction never happened?"

(more)

[AirAmFan]

61. GREAT IDEA! Googling 'terror alert timeline' got me ZERO hits

But I found an official repository of terror alerts at http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=70&content=1415 .

On reaching this Department of Homeland Security webpage, I felt as if I'd really fallen down a rabbithole into Homeland Oz. An apparently complete list of terror alerts from March to September 2003 was mixed in with such urgent alerts as, "Snort buffer overflow vulnerability". I don't know where alerts since 9/03 are archived.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, this DHS webpage omits two alerts during the year prior to March '03, according to an AP story archived at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81333,00.html :

"Tuesday, March 18, 2003

BACKGROUND WASHINGTON Worried that war in Iraq could lead to terrorist reprisals at home, the Department of Homeland Security raised the terror alert Monday to orange, indicating a high risk of attacks, and implemented enhanced security measures nationwide.

Operation Liberty Shield" was announced just as President Bush completed his speech giving Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq.

The homeland security plan includes more Border Patrol officers, stepped-up patrols at seaports, airports and nuclear power plants, and increased safeguards over the nation's food supply. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge also called on governors to deploy National Guard troops or extra state police to protect bridges and other key infrastructures. ..

The terror alert was raised from yellow, or elevated, to orange, the second-highest level on a five-color scale. Counterterrorism officials said the decision was based on threats from Al Qaeda, Iraqi operatives and freelance terrorists.

This is the third time the administration has raised the terror alert since the system was put in place about a year ago. It is the first time the level was raised by the Homeland Security Department, which took over the color system from the Justice Department on March 1."

[Joanne98]

50. Here's more

Newsweek reports that the Department of Homeland Security is seeking legal advice about what "steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place." The inquiry is in response to a letter from DeForest B. Soaries, the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, seeking "emergency legislation from Congress empowering his agency to make such a call

This is from www.cursor.org a good website.

They are going to try something. You just wait.

[Joanne98]

51. kick

[donhakman]

58. Expecting protests they have contingency plan to arrest under code red

anyone as a terrorist.

[Walt Starr]

60. There are no provision for that under the law

not even under the Patriot Act.

[midwayer]

62. Walt

I and the rest really do appreciate your input. This is a difficult subject for the average person in America to grasp and I hope you can keep your patience with me, us as we attempt to decifer all this.

I just keep having this thought and from what we read that the State of National Emergency that we are in now changes the whole ballgame when it comes to Presidential Authority and the Constitution.

We also hear about Ashcroft peicemealing Pat 11 through and who the heck would ever know what the heck they've done uintil it's to late. This is all about usurping power

Found this may be interesting:


http://www.banned-books.com/truth-seeker/1994archive/121_5/ts215a.html
When Bill Clinton signed, without public announcement, his Executive Order, No. 12129, issued June 3, 1994, titled "National Defense Industrial Resources Preparedness," he became the tenth chief executive since Roosevelt to knowingly forsake his country for the privileges of power. Under unlawful usurpations of power, and the silent conspiracy of every Congress since March 9, 1933 to maintain that power, the misuse of emergency presidential powers continues to control the Nation.

How can we revive ourselves, absent a fall into total chaos? Isn't the answer self-directed education and an eternal vigilance?

Thirteen Citizen patriots, under the leadership of Dr. Gene Schroder, have produced a rather complete report titled War and Emergency Powers: A Special Report On The National Emergency In The United States Of America. This 153-page book contains over 100 pages of exhibits and supporting documents. You may also want to inquire about A Patriot's Chronology: War Emergency Powers and The Constitutional Crises, as published by the National League for the Separation of Church and State, a complete chronology of events leading to the overthrow of the Union and the represented, sovereign States, by our federal government. Both documents are available from The National League, P.O. Box 1257, Escondido, CA 92033.

=========================

I mean, when the average joe see's this stuff what are they supoosed to think?

[midwayer]

63. Perpetual War means to me perpetual restrictions on liberty

and perpetual usurpation of power

[midwayer]

64. Executive Orders and National Emergencies

Executive Orders and National Emergencies:
How Presidents Have Come to "Run the
Country" by Usurping Legislative Power


http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-358es.html

[Walt Starr]

65. Slight kick

:kick:

[Walt Starr]

66. Back to the top

Seems this subject comes up, has a lot of threads, and then goes away ntil the next big story about it comes out.