Is this True about Kerry and spending?

[Elbowroom]

By Don Lambro
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



Sen. John Kerry's campaign proposals would result in $226 billion in higher spending in the first year of his presidency, including an additional $115 billion in social welfare, foreign aid, and environmental and energy costs, according to a study of his budgetary recommendations.

The study by the National Taxpayers Union Foundation (NTUF), which will be released later this week, finds that Mr. Kerry's budget proposals, which he says would slash the deficit in half over four years, would increase spending well beyond his estimates.

"Despite Kerry's attempts to outflank Bush on the deficit issue and portray himself as the more fiscally responsible candidate, the data behind Kerry's rhetoric tell a different story," said Drew Johnson, the study's author.

"Enactment of Kerry's 'revised' spending agenda in its entirety would still mean higher taxes, a larger national debt or likely both," he said.

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[Jim Sagle]

1. If it's from the WashTimes, probably not.

[displacedtexan]

2. The Washington Times and factual reporting on budget numbers?

Get real!

Edited: Not slamming you; slamming the Washington Times!

[OneBlueSky]

3. laughable . . .

the right starts talking about spending, when BushCo has run up over a half trillion dollar deficit this year alone . . .

[prolesunited]

4. First, you can't

post the full text of an article because it violates copyright. Post a few paragraphs, followed by the link.

Second, why would you even consider the Washington Times a real news source. They are about as credible as Fox news.

On edit, the National Taxpayers Union is listed as a RW organization by People for the American Way.

Right-wing foundations that help fund NTUF include: Scaife, John M. Olin and JM Foundations.
High-profile Staffers:
Grover Norquist was NTU’s Executive Director before being tapped by the Reagan White House to head Americans for Tax Reform.
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10235

Nuff said. Are you that naive or did you simply get lost on your way to your favorite site?

[Elbowroom]

9. you see...

I saw this at another forum...i copied and pasted it from there. Sorry

[prolesunited]

10. Well, I hope you

post these responses back at the other forum.

[theivoryqueen]

12. purrfect response

[htuttle]

16. LOL! Another RW talking point please!

PULL!



BLAM!

[jobycom]

5. Man, I could make up worse figures for Bush if I wanted. In fact

Remember the 2000 debates, when Gore told Bush that if he followed his plans he would send the country back into deficit if there was a downturn in the economy, and Bush said he wouldn't? Who was write?

Posting the Washington Times in a serious discussion of politics? You should be ashamed! When have they ever told the truth about anything? Do you believe Reverend Moon is the son of God, and that Jesus failed? If not, why believe anything else the WT prints? If so, more power to you, I guess.

Go home, shower, then come on back and start over. We'll let you off the hook this once. :-)

[leftofthedial]

6. no

it's Karl Rove's spin published in the Moonie neocon rag.

[Killarney]

7. No, it's wrong. Reason why.

The writer assumes that Kerry would automatically put through his campaign proposals from day 1. The article says, "Sen. John Kerry's campaign proposals would result in $226 billion in higher spending in the first year of his presidency."

Firstoff, he's not going to push through all his proposals in his first year.

Secondly, all of his proposals aren't going to get passed through Congress. Not even in four years. No way, no how.

Also (I haven't read the article, just what you posted here) but you may also want to check to see if they took into account the corporate loopholes that Kerry is going to close (which would mean more revenue from corporate taxes).

[redqueen]

8. Check the source of the claims:

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3147

Right Wing Organizations

For over 20 years, People For the American Way Foundation (PFAWF) has countered the Right Wing’s efforts to roll back, or stop, social justice progress and to reshape government and society to its liking. Our research center monitors the power of right-wing groups, documenting their connections, funding, and reporting on their political influence.

Right-wing organizations come in all shapes and sizes, from think tanks to legal groups, local and national lobbying organizations, foundations and media forums. At any given moment, the Right is at work in our public school systems, courthouses, in Congress and state assemblies. At the same time, right-wing groups are reaching huge audiences through media outlets they own or influence—promoting regressive policies that seek to drive wedges between and among Americans.

These often single-issue groups have the ability to create multi-issue networks that can respond on a wide range of issues. People For the American Way Foundation’s library has files on over 800 groups and almost 300 individuals documenting their activities and providing information about their efforts to reshape society. This section presents a small portion of that information.
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I checked the list, and sure enough! There they are:

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10235

National Taxpayers Union
108 North Alfred St.
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
www.ntu.org


NTU’s Principal Activities:

NTU’s main focus is lobbying Congress. NTU bills its congressional scorecards as “the only scorecard that grades representatives on every roll call vote affecting fiscal policy, including taxes and regulation.” NTU also gives “Taxpayers’ Friend Awards” to the highest scoring legislators. Like most lobbying groups, NTU sends alerts about pending legislation to be used by activists, testifies before Congress, and provides policy papers for its legislative allies.

NTUF was founded in 1977 and “is the charitable, research, and educational affiliate of NTU.”

National Taxpayers Union Campaign Fund (NTUCF) was created by NTU in 1994 and “makes endorsements of candidates, distributes information to voters on the tax records -- good and bad -- of officeseekers, and which conducts its own self-directed “independent expenditure” campaigns in certain political contests.”


History and Background:

NTU lists the following among its accomplishments: “Dozens of successful state and local tax limitation movements -- activists have defeated 90% of the 50 major tax increases that appeared on state ballots over the past five years;” “Bringing the Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution within one vote of passing the Congress;” and “Landmark "Taxpayer Bill of Rights" laws that help to safeguard against IRS abuses.”

Right-wing foundations that help fund NTUF include: Scaife, John M. Olin and JM Foundations.


High-profile Staffers:

Grover Norquist was NTU’s Executive Director before being tapped by the Reagan White House to head Americans for Tax Reform.


High Profile Board Members:

David M. Stanley, Chairman of the Board

Steve Forbes, two-time candidate for GOP presidential nomination

J. Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio Secretary of State

J. Patrick Rooney, a right-wing funder


Quotes
Quotes about NTU:

“My Administration came to Washington to achieve many of the goals shared by the National Taxpayers Union – Reduction of income tax rates, control of government spending…NTU’s support for the across-the-board tax rate reduction and income tax indexing helped pave the way for Congressional adoption during the first years of this Administration.”- Former President Ronald Reagan

“The National Taxpayers Union…is the Grand-daddy of the tax revolt organizations.”
-San Francisco Chronicle

“After Howard Jarvis’ victory on California’s landmark Proposition 13 tax-limitation referendum in 1978, the NTU helped to convert the victory into national momentum for the Reagan agenda.”
-Human Events magazine

Quotes from NTU:

“If we don’t seize on this revolutionary moment to rein in taxes and rein in entitlements, we could be looking at a government headed for financial oblivion…and a populace that is so over-taxed and so desperate that we could be talking about real revolutions.”
- David Keating in 1995

[11 Bravo]

11. The Moonie Times is to journalism, as

Josef Mengele was to medicine. A perversion, pure and simple.

[blm]

13. Don LAMBRO??? RevMoon's righthand man along with Bill Gertz.

You have GOT to be kidding if you believe ANYTHING he writes.

[Moderator]

14. Elbowroom

Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source
and provide a link to
the source.


Thank you.

DU Moderator

[Democat]

15. Why post this garbage here?

:(

[Elbowroom]

18. for you to refute it

brotha

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. Thanks for posting this impartial information from the Mooney Times!!!....

Wow! My eyes have been opened to the wild spending proposed by that liberal John Kerry.

(sarcasm off)

[Nevernose]

19. Might be true

I'm willing to accept the possibility, even if it is the Washingont Time.

Does it mention how much of that spending increase will be paid for by the repeal of the tax-cuts for the wealthy 1%? Did I miss that, or was it in there?