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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 05:49 PM
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Is Bush extending an open invitation for terrorists to attack us?
Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 06:03 PM by Tatiana
I watched part of his speech today. While I do tend to think part of the psy-ops the White House is conducting on the unsuspecting American public includes using scare tactics to get Bush elected, I'm starting to suspect that these speeches are another more long-winded version of "Bring Em On."

(Taken from)President Bush Discusses Progress in the War on Terror
Remarks by the President on the War on Terror
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Oak Ridge, Tennessee

11:18 A.M. EDT

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/07/20040712-5.html

<snipped>

America's determination to actively oppose the threats of our time was formed and fixed on September the 11th, 2001. On that day we saw the cruelty of the terrorists, and we glimpsed the future they intend for us. They intend to strike the United States to the limits of their power. They seek weapons of mass destruction to kill Americans on an even greater scale. And this danger is increased when outlaw regimes build or acquire weapons of mass destruction and maintain ties to terrorist groups.

This is our danger, but not our fate. America has the resources and the strength and the resolve to overcome this threat. We are waging a broad and unrelenting war against terror, and an active campaign against proliferation. We refuse to live in fear. We are making steady progress.

To protect our people, we're staying on the offensive against threats within our own country. We are using the Patriot Act to track terrorist activity and to break up terror cells. Intelligence and law enforcement officials are sharing information as never before. We've transformed the mission of the FBI to focus on preventing terrorism. Every element of our homeland security plan is critical, because the terrorists are ruthless and resourceful -- and we know they're preparing to attack us again. It's not possible to guarantee perfect security in our vast, free nation. But I can assure our fellow Americans, many fine professionals in intelligence and national security and homeland security and law enforcement are working around the clock doing everything they can to protect the country. And we're grateful to them all. (Applause.)

To overcome the dangers of our time, America is also taking a new approach in the world. We're determined to challenge new threats, not ignore them, or simply wait for future tragedy. We're helping to build a hopeful future in hopeless places, instead of allowing troubled regions to remain in despair and explode in violence. Our goal is a lasting, democratic peace, in which free nations are free from the threat of sudden terror. Our strategy for peace has three commitments: First, we are defending the peace by taking the fight to the enemy. We will confront them overseas so we do not have to confront them here at home. (Applause.) We are destroying the leadership of terrorist networks in sudden raids, disrupting their planning and financing, and keeping them on the run. Month by month, we are shrinking the space in which they can freely operate, by denying them territory and the support of governments.

Second, we're protecting the peace by working with friends and allies and international institutions to isolate and confront terrorists and outlaw regimes. America is leading a broad coalition of nations to disrupt proliferation. We're working with the United Nations, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and other international organizations to take action in our common security. The global threat of terrorism requires a global response. To be effective, that global response requires leadership -- and America will lead. (Applause.)

Third, we are extending the peace by supporting the rise of democracy, and the hope and progress that democracy brings, as the alternative to hatred and terror in the broader Middle East. In democratic and successful societies, men and women do not swear allegiance to malcontents and murderers; they turn their hearts and labor to building better lives. And democratic governments do not shelter terrorist camps or attack their neighbors. When justice and democracy advance, so does the hope of lasting peace.

We have followed this strategy -- defending the peace, protecting the peace and extending the peace -- for nearly three years. We have been focused and patient, firm and consistent. And the results are all now clear to see.

Three years ago, the nation of Afghanistan was the home base of al Qaeda, a country ruled by the Taliban, one of the most backward and brutal regimes of modern history. Schooling was denied girls. Women were whipped in the streets and executed in a sports stadium. Millions lived in fear. With protection from the Taliban, al Qaeda and its associates trained, indoctrinated, and sent forth thousands of killers to set up terror cells in dozens of countries, including our own.

Today, Afghanistan is a world away from the nightmare of the Taliban. That country has a good and just President. Boys and girls are being educated. Many refugees have returned home to rebuild their country, and a presidential election is scheduled for this fall. The terror camps are closed and the Afghan government is helping us to hunt the Taliban and terrorists in remote regions. Today, because we acted to liberate Afghanistan, a threat has been removed, and the American people are safer. (Applause.)

Three years ago, Pakistan was one of the few countries in the world that recognized the Taliban regime. Al Qaeda was active and recruiting in Pakistan, and was not seriously opposed. Pakistan served as a transit point for al Qaeda terrorists leaving Afghanistan on missions of murder. Yet the United States was not on good terms with Pakistan's military and civilian leaders -- the very people we would need to help shut down al Qaeda operations in that part of the world.

Today, the governments of the United States and Pakistan are working closely in the fight against terror. President Musharraf is a friend of our country, who helped us capture Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the operational planner behind the September the 11th attacks. And Pakistani forces are rounding up terrorists along their nation's western border. Today, because we're working with the Pakistani leaders, Pakistan is an ally in the war on terror, and the American people are safer. (Applause.)

Three years ago, terrorists were well-established in Saudi Arabia. Inside that country, fundraisers and other facilitators gave al Qaeda financial and logistical help, with little scrutiny or opposition. Today, after the attacks in Riyadh and elsewhere, the Saudi government knows that al Qaeda is its enemy. Saudi Arabia is working hard to shut down the facilitators and financial supporters of terrorism. The government has captured or killed many first-tier leaders of the al Qaeda organization in Saudi Arabia -- including one last week. Today, because Saudi Arabia has seen the danger and has joined the war on terror, the American people are safer. (Applause.)

Three years ago, the ruler of Iraq was a sworn enemy of America, who provided safe haven for terrorists, used weapons of mass destruction, and turned his nation into a prison. Saddam Hussein was not just a dictator; he was a proven mass murderer who refused to account for weapons of mass murder. Every responsible nation recognized this threat, and knew it could not go on forever.

America must remember the lessons of September the 11th. We must confront serious dangers before they fully materialize. And so my administration looked at the intelligence on Iraq, and we saw a threat. Members of the United States Congress from both political parties looked at the same intelligence, and they saw a threat. The United Nations Security Council looked at the intelligence, and it saw a threat. The previous administration and the Congress looked at the intelligence and made regime change in Iraq the policy of our country.

In 2002, the United Nations Security Council yet again demanded a full accounting of Saddam Hussein's weapons programs. As he had for over a decade, Saddam Hussein refused to comply. In fact, according to former weapons inspector David Kay, Iraq's weapons programs were elaborately shielded by security and deception operations that continued even beyond the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom. So I had a choice to make: Either take the word of a madman, or defend America. Given that choice, I will defend America every time. (Applause.)

<snip>

Today, the dictator who caused decades of death and turmoil, who twice invaded his neighbors, who harbored terrorist leaders, who used chemical weapons on innocent men, women, and children, is finally before the bar of justice. (Applause.) Iraq, which once had the worst government in the Middle East, is now becoming an example of reform to the region. And Iraqi security forces are fighting beside coalition troops to defeat the terrorists and foreign fighters who threaten their nation and the world. Today, because America and our coalition helped to end the violent regime of Saddam Hussein, and because we're helping to raise a peaceful democracy in its place, the American people are safer. (Applause.)

Three years ago, the nation of Libya, a longtime supporter of terror, was spending millions to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons. Today, thousands of Libya's chemical munitions have been destroyed. And nuclear processing equipment that could ultimately have threatened the lives of hundreds of thousands is stored away right here in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Today, because the Libyan government saw the seriousness of the civilized world, and correctly judged its own interests, the American people are safer. (Applause.)

Three years ago, a private weapons proliferation network was doing business around the world. This network, operated by the Pakistani nuclear scientist, A. Q. Khan, was selling nuclear plans and equipment to the highest bidder, and found willing buyers in places like Libya, Iran, and North Korea. Today, the A. Q. Khan network is out of business. We have ended one of the most dangerous sources of proliferation in the world, and the American people are safer. (Applause.)

Breaking this proliferation network was possible because of the outstanding work done by the CIA. Dedicated intelligence officers were tireless in obtaining vital information, sometimes at great personal risk. Our intelligence services do an essential job for America. I thank them for their dedication and hard work. (Applause.) The Senate Intelligence Committee has identified some shortcomings in our intelligence capabilities; the Committee's report will help us in the work of reform. Our nation needs more intelligence agents -- what is called human intelligence -- to cover the globe. We must have the best, cutting-edge technology to listen and look for dangers. We must have better coordination among intelligence services. I need, and the Congress needs, the best possible intelligence in order to protect the American people. We're determined to make sure we get it.

<snip>

The world changed on September the 11th, and since that day, we have changed the world. (Applause.) We are leading a steady, confident, systematic campaign against the dangers of our time. There are still terrorists who plot against us, but the ranks of their leaders are thinning, and they know what fate awaits them. There are still regimes actively supporting the terrorists, but fewer than there used to be. There are still outlaw regimes pursuing weapons of mass destruction, but the world no longer looks the other way. Today, because America has acted, and because America has led, the forces of terror and tyranny have suffered defeat after defeat, and America and the world are safer. (Applause.)

<snip>

We have duties and there will be difficulties ahead. We're working with responsible governments and international institutions to convince the leaders of North Korea and Iran that their nuclear weapons ambitions are deeply contrary to their own interests. We're helping governments fight poverty and disease, so they do not become failed states and future havens for terror. We've launched our Broader Middle East Initiative, to encourage reform and democracy throughout the region, a project that will shape the history of our times for the better. We're working to build a free and democratic Palestinian state, which lives in peace with Israel and adds to the peace of the region. We're keeping our commitments to the people of Afghanistan and Iraq, who are building the world's newest democracies. They're counting on us to help. We will not abandon them. (Applause.) Delivering these nations from tyranny has required sacrifice and loss. We will honor that sacrifice by finishing the great work we have begun. (Applause.)


<snipped>

Just reading the transcript from that speech today, several things strike me. First, I can't believe our country is buying this propaganda. And sadly, those who support Bush are. It's very simple really. In every speech, Bush makes sure to use the following words multiple times, so that the listener automatically links the terms and assumes they are related:

Saddam
September 11th
terror ("terra")
danger
threat

The question is asked many times, why do people support Bush? There are only two reasons, in my opinion: 1) They are beyond wealthy (and want to assure their status) or 2) They are stupid. Yes, I said it. These people relate to Bush's dumbness. These are the people who come out of F9-11 still supporting Bush because the display of Bush's incompetence doesn't disgust them. It pleases them. They say, "Bush is like me." These people are lazy, intellectually incurious, and don't bother to read a newspaper.

Next, Bush always pushes his theme of American "victory." We have "defeated the enemy." Have we really defeated the enemy? Of course not. If we had, we wouldn't still be in Iraq (or Afghanistan, for that matter) and our soldiers wouldn't still be dying. If we had truly defeated the terrorists, they wouldn't be planning to attack us on election day, now would they? This rhetoric almost strikes me as a taunt. No one believes America is safer. Bush contradicts himself in every speech by saying al Quaeda could attack any day, but we're safer as a result of invading Iraq. WTF? We know we're not safer. We haven't defeated the terrorists and maybe Bush's rhetoric is daring them to prove him wrong.

There were also two other interesting mentions in this speech. One was the "oustanding work done by the CIA." Huh? Weren't the CIA and White House at war? Wasn't the White House trying to blame all the intelligence failures on the CIA. Wasn't the CIA leaking classified documents damaging to the White House? Didn't the CIA possibly set the White House up by giving them bogus info? Now Bush is praising the agency and saying it does outstanding work? Yeah. I'm sure it's done some outstanding research on this administrations dirty secrets and Bush is kissing major ass in order to avoid the most damaging leak yet.

And lastly, theres the "Broader Middle East Initiative." How many Middle Eastern countries are in favor of this, I wonder?

One thing I've realized with Bush... he hides his evilness in plain sight. I think we could learn a lot just from listening to the man's words.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 05:56 PM
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1. What terrorists?
hmmmm......
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 05:58 PM
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2. Bring it On II
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:02 PM
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5. Exactly. Remember what happened when he first said it.
A bloodbath is what happened. Only a catastrophic event such as Sept. 11th could have kept this buffoon in power and given him the support he had after that awful attack. I don't think it's that farfetched to think he wants another catastrophe to keep his grip on power.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:01 PM
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3. RSVP, Dress: Casual, BYOBombs
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:01 PM
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4. How to win.
>>I was part of his speech today. While I do tend to think part of the psy-ops the White House is conducting on the unsuspecting American public includes using scare tactics to get Bush elected, I'm starting to suspect that these speeches are another more long-winded version of "Bring Em On."<<

I have noticed something interesting about our Military Industrial Complex that keeps us poor, unemployed and in harms way. I noticed that America cannot exist without enemies, otherwise its main export product... "war" cannot be exported "legally". Gorbachev once stated that "there is no military solution to terrorism".

If you want to get the mosquitos out of the swamp... don't kill mosquitos... drain the swamp... or you will be there for a long long time... possibly forever.

More than one thinking person can see this self evident point.
http://www.chicagopeacenow.org/wws-political.html
There are no illusions that there can be a purely military solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Here is a FYI: http://www.digitalnpq.org/archive/2003_winter/gorbachev.html
Some have said that Putin must negotiate only with Aslan Maskhadov (the Chechen president), who was expected to meet Russia halfway. But there is a big problem with him now: There is written evidence that he gave the command to raise the level of terrorism so as to put pressure on Russia. Rather than moving toward compromise, external forces seem to be pushing him the other way. Reportedly, $100 million has been raised in the Arab countries to support (Islamic) Chechen rebels so they can keep the conflict in an acute and violent phase.
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jackofhearts Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:03 PM
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6. The answer...absolutely
I have recently been thinking the same thing. How can a responsible person actually get up on the podium time after time refer to the possiblity of attack and death and disabling elections etc. Seriously people...is this the work of a truly thoughtful person? Is this the work of someone who is truly concerned about American democracy?

He wants an attack. He wants a reason to postpone elections. He wants a reason to impose marshall law. The nazis want fear and chaos...this is their only hope at this point.

I can only hope their actions result in a major backlash of mass protest. When it becomes no longer possible to deny what is happening (such as when another election "irregularity" occurs) the nation may very well revolt.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:56 PM
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11. And They Are Doing Their Best To Let It Happen . . .
LOU DOBBS TONIGHT
June 15, 2004

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/15/ldt.00.html

. . .

LISA SYLVESTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Customs and border protection agents' hands are tied because their job no longer includes enforcement. Instead, they have to man their posts for eight to 10 hours a day to serve as a deterrent. It's part of a bureaucratic decision that critics say is jeopardizing national security.

T.J. BONNER, NATIONAL BORDER CONTROL COUNCIL: Even if they see people walking directly in front of them or right off to their side, that they are to do nothing but report it to someone else, and, in most cases, there is no one else to report it to. So these people simply evade apprehension.

. . .

T. J. BONNER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: Good to be here.

DOBBS: Your statements, other testimony before the Homeland Security Committee today frankly were chilling and should be, in my judgment at least, deeply concerning to every American.

How in the world two and half years, more than two and half years after September 11 have we gotten into this situation at our borders?

BONNER: I'm not sure who to point fingers at, but we certainly are in a mess. Morale is at an all-time low and agents are just waiting for other agencies, state and local, to get some money so they start hiring again. When that happens, there will be a mass exodus of border patrol agents.

DOBBS: A mass exodus, at the same time as Lisa Sylvester reported tonight, border patrol agents are basically forced to step aside under current policy, and are not even apprehending illegal aliens as they cross the border.
Is that correct?

BONNER: That's correct. And it's just amazing. And it's a major source of frustration and demoralization. Agents are forced to sit eight to 10 hours a day in one spot in order not to move from that spot, even if aliens are crossing within yards of them. It's really mind boggling, Lou.

DOBBS: Who made that decision, who issued that order?

BONNER: This comes straight from the top and nobody has signed an order to that effect, but those are the standing orders out there in the field, and if agents violate them, they are subject to discipline.

DOBBS: And what -- you said morale is low -- what in the world are border communities -- how are they responding to these orders and to basically a sweep of the hand by the border patrol inviting illegal aliens in?

BONNER: It's not just the border communities, Lou, it's every part of America, because illegals don't camp out right at the border after they make an entry. They are heading to the heartland of America, to take jobs away from American citizens.

DOBBS: And we have at this point simply a procedure whereby border patrol agents are not effectively in any way guarding our borders. Illegal aliens once apprehended are said -- are given an -- or issued an order to appear before a hearing, but in point of fact, no one is following up to make certain that occurs, and in fact it doesn't.

Is that right?

BONNER: Probably, 90 to 95 percent of the people who are issued to show cause to appear, abscond, they never show up. And we don't even require a bona fide address. We have no way to verify it in the first place, but we don't even require it.

DOBBS: And the reaction of the committee, is there a dawning taking place anywhere in Washington?

BONNER: I haven't seen it yet, Lou. I don't know what to say. I don't know what it's going to take to wake these people up. To wake up, not just the Congress, but to wake up America, as to what's going on. Because this is not just an issue of economics of people coming across to take jobs, mixed in with that could well be a number of terrorists. So it's clearly a matter of homeland security.

DOBBS: T.J. Bonner, we thank you for being with us here tonight.

. . .
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SConrad Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:09 PM
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7. Not sure what party you are with
Our candidate, John Kerry, supports the liberation of Iraq so why are you bad mouthing it? Go to the Kerry site. In his Washington Post Op ed he said:

"Our military performed brilliantly in the war's first mission: ending the regime of Saddam Hussein. And all Americans share President Bush's desire for Iraqis to live with the blessings of democracy and security."

Now maybe you had hoped that one of the anti-war candidates would get the nomination, but they did not.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:14 PM
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8. "Liberation of Iraq?" Not sure what party YOU are with.
Not making any accusations or anything, but that is a classic right-wing phrase. Of course, I'm sure you're with "us" and "our" candidate John Kerry, who has basically said the pResident LIED to him and the American people regarding his motives for the war in Iraq.

Fact: Iraq is not "liberated," it is OCCUPIED. I'm with the only party that will stop the downward spiral we are embarking upon at the moment. That would be the Democrats, in case you wondered.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:15 PM
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9. I could have sworn
I could have sworn I just heard junior say in a speech that America and the World are safer now.

These so called WH psy-ops are compartmentalizing people's minds in an unhealthy way. Are we safer, or are at the beginning of an escalating war against dangerous terrorist powers???

Only Tom Ridge knows for sure!

Hey, I'm in the mood for one of those orange alerts again. Aren't you? You know. Just for the hell of it?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 06:20 PM
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10. very few people support the bushgang
we get a distorted picture of reality from our corporations. Their news, like their human and environemental policies, are exteremely exploitative and serve only the bottom line. Truth, honor, or justicenever even figure into the equation.

I think the bushgang ARE the terrorists, or at least they are all collaborating. The bushgang are ABSOLUTELY hopeful that terrorists will attack again.

Their reality mirage apparatus is breaking down as is their belief that the American people are wholly ignorant sheep. They NEED al Qaeda. Badly.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 07:03 PM
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12. Yes Bu$h is signalling for a attack.
The news projection of a terrorist attack to postpone the election is signalling the clandestine operatives to go ahead.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 07:06 PM
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13. Of course he wants an attack.
It will then give him the authority to take the last bit of democracy we have left and install his own totalitarian government. I honestly never thought I would see the day that this would happen in America, but it's unfolding before our eyes.

We can't sit back let it happen, or there won't be any going back for a long time.
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