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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:11 PM
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republican boycott email I got...
Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 09:13 PM by Lerkfish
from my cousin, whom I love a lot! d'oh!

here is what they forwarded to me:

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Dear Friends,

At a so-called "star-studded" gala at Radio City Music Hall yesterday (Thursday, July 8), the John Kerry presidential campaign was treated to nine million dollars in new campaign funds, given by some of the "VIP's" among the Hollywood and music industry crowd. This big fund-raising effort was not of the ordinary variety, however.  It included some very nasty and venomous and downright erroneous attacks on our President.  The purpose of this e-mail is to inform you of these goings-on and to suggest some action on your part, if you support our gallant President.

"This guy's as bright as an egg timer," actor Chevy Chase quipped, ridiculing President Bush for his southern drawl and his tendency to sometimes misuse the English language.  Referring to presidential hobbies, Chase noted, "Clinton plays the sax, John Kerry plays the guitar, and President Bush is a liar," he said matter-of-factly, drawing laughs and cheers from the Hollywood crowd.

Actress Meryl Streep welcomed the new team of Kerry and Edwards by referring to them as "President Kerry and Vice President Edwards."  Disrespectful and presumptuous, don't you think?

Actress Jessica Lange labeled the Bush administration, "a self-serving regime of deceit, hypocrisy and belligerence."  Belligerence against evil tyrants and terrorists, yes.  Correct, Ms. Lange, but not in the way you think.

Comedienne Whoopi Goldberg greeted Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, and told the couple that Hollywood would do whatever it took to get them into the White House.  Well, my hope and prayer is that the rest of the country, all the sane portions, will greatly disappoint Ms. Goldberg.

Singer John Mellencamp sang a song he had written for the occasion that called President Bush "a cheap thug" and "a liar."  All one has to do in order to discount this idiotic drivel is to call to mind some of Mr. Mellencamp himself's stunts and troubles with the law in the past.

Other noted Hollywood and/or musical celebrities in attendance, who gave money to the Kerry campaign and took pot-shots at President Bush include Paul Newman, Bette Midler, James Taylor, Elton John, Sarah Jessica Parker, Jon Bon Jovi, Michael Moore, John Leguizamo, John Fogerty, Mary J. Blige.  Incidentally, Paul Newman, formerly a favorite of many sane-thinking movie-goers, referred to the Bush administration's policies as "criminal."  Whatever respect I once had for Mr. Newman has certainly evaporated.

So what was John Kerry's reaction to these hate-filled attacks against America's courageous Commander-in-chief?  Well, you may be surprised.  He said these Hollywood celebrities and singers represented the "heart and soul of America."  Yes, he said it.  If that's true, friends, America is in great trouble.  I can think of, oh, say about 300 million other folks who I would  consider as the "heart and soul of America" before I'd think of this crowd.  Further, John Kerry observed, "We need somebody in the White House who shares the real values of the American people."  Oh, I see.  The Hollywood crowd and the music industry has the "real values" of the American people at heart?  That's a surprise to me and probably to you as well.  It's actually another load of bologna from Mr. Kerry which we are seeing with more and more regularity.  (Note: each of the actors/actresses or musicians named have contributed! to th! e situation in our nation today where vulgar and profane speech and actions are becoming more and more acceptable. Thank you, Hollywood).  Real values?

No, I say the "real" American values belong to George W. Bush, who is not afraid to mention the name of Jesus Christ in public.  I say these real values belong to a President who is not afraid to confront the enemies of the cross, both inside and outside of our borders.  I say the real values have been in the White House for three and a half years now (unlike the eight years before that) and that we need to keep those same values there by re-electing President Bush.

Won't you join me in determining never again to buy or go to see a Meryl Streep movie or a Paul Newman movie or a Chevy Chase movie or a Jessica Lange movie again?  Won't you join me in refusing to purchase anymore music of Elton John or James Taylor or John Mellencamp or Bette Midler, etc.?

Yes, I know that these folks (like everyone else in America too) have the right to say and think whatever they feel in a free society and in the land of liberty (as long as it doesn't cross the line into the traitorous, which some may have).  But, it's also true that you and I also have the right to buy whatever music and whatever motion pictures we choose to buy.  So let's agree to not choose anything by this crowd, in order to let them know what we think of their liberal and cowardly and sick politics. 

And let's give a big thumb's down to Mr. Kerry and his idea of "real values."  The real values of America do not reside in Hollywood or in the music industry.  Those are the values of the ruler of this world (2 Cor. 4:4).  The real values of America are to be found in the Word of God.

Please forward this to others.  Let's get the word out.
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and this is what I sent back, along with a picture of Kerry rally.

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You probably don't realize that I attended the Kerry-Edwards Rally in Dayton. It was a thrilling rally!
I was going to vote for Kerry before attending, but afterwords, was a lot more thrilled with my choice.
I would go more into why I think Kerry is the best and only candidate who can finally start to redeem this country from the absolute ruin the present administration has visited on it, but I don't think emailing people out of the blue with your own personal political beliefs is very effective, or welcome.
I DO thank you for this email, though, as it reminds me I need to start watching more Meryl Streep and Paul Newman movies, and listening to John Mellencamp.

tell you what, in the future, I won't send you any more pro-Kerry propaganda, if you won't send me any more anti-Kerry propaganda....deal?
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(btw: how do you make quote blocks here?)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:17 PM
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1. yup, all those artists are on the weekend video list
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:24 PM
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2. Always loved Mellencamp
The problem with these freeper types is they can't separate politics from entertainment. By god, I love Bruce Willis movies! I know what his politics are, and I don't care. Still like his movies.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:24 PM
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3. Good luck I sent one to my cousin in
Hawaii before the war started after he sent me several pro war messages. Finally I snapped and told him that I was a liberal with a say no to war with Iraq sign in my front yard. That we hadn't exhausted all other options like inspectors etc. Even told him I was more patriotic than him because I didn't believe in spilling our children's blood unless we had exhausted all other options. Never heard from him again. Honestly I couldn't care less.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:29 PM
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4. But I LIKE getting Republican propaganda!
Then I get to "reply to all" with a link from Snopes!

And the person who sent it gets to be like "doh!"
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Good idea. Kind of sorry I don't get them anymore now.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:30 PM
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5. Yeah like that's gonna work.
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wyethwire Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:43 PM
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7. how did your friend respond?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. well, he's my cousin..
and haven't heard back yet.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:51 PM
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8. Amazing the amount of right wing email propaganda that circulates.
I dont get it.

But I thank you for the list of people in Hollywood to support. ;)

I like your reply as well.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:01 PM
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9. Whoever wrote this probably has no Mellencamp CDs, anyway.
Fuck 'em all if they think their little "boycott" will scare anyone into submission.

I listened to Bon Jovi's "Slippery when wet" CD today. It kicks ass, pure and simple. I'm glad he's on our side.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I'm Glad Michael Stipe is on our side.
John Bon Jovi?... Hey, man, to each his own. But every vote counts.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:51 PM
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15. Stipe is a big Dem contributor
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Yeah, He's Been an Activist for years.
They're linking to a voter registration site right now over at R.E.M. hq.
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Kid_A Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. R.E.M. is one of the best political bands in the world
"TV tells a million lies, the paper's terrified to report anything that isn't handed on a presidential spoon, I'm just profoundly frustrated by all this, so fuck you, man." - Ignoreland, Bush I-era

"Shit so thick you could stir it with a stick, free teflon whitewashed presidency, we're sick of being jerked around, wear that on your sleeve. / The lights went out, the oil went dry, we blamed it on the other guy. Sure, all men are created equal. Where's the church? Where's the steeple?" - Bad Day, Reagan-era
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Actually, "Bad Day"
had fairly different words when it was originally written around the time of Lifes Rich Pageant. So the re-worked version they released last year (which rocked, and was one of the best, as well as, unfortunately, one of the only protest songs to get any airplay during that time) was fairly well specifically aimed at the Bush admin. and the current situation. That line about "we blamed it on the other guy" I've always taken to be pretty specific to the manufactured "energy crisis" BS we had here on the west coast.

Although it says something sad that they could take this song from 20 years ago, and, with only some minor reworking, make it fit the crap-hole situation we find ourselves in now.

I've been a fan since Reckoning was "the new album". So, over 20 years. They're brilliant. I can't wait for the next one.

I actually printed up a bumper sticker for myself around the time of the Iraq invasion that had the statue of liberty, and said "Jefferson, I think we're lost"

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:16 PM
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10. Point By Point Rebuttal
You were, I think, maybe too kind to these chowderheads.

The purpose of this e-mail is to inform you of these goings-on and to suggest some action on your part, if you support our gallant President.

  • Gallant President? What is he, F*cking King Arthur? More like King Addled. Excuse me while I :puke: on my shoes.


  • "This guy's as bright as an egg timer," actor Chevy Chase quipped, ridiculing President Bush for his southern drawl and his tendency to sometimes misuse the English language. Referring to presidential hobbies, Chase noted, "Clinton plays the sax, John Kerry plays the guitar, and President Bush is a liar," he said matter-of-factly, drawing laughs and cheers from the Hollywood crowd.

  • Yes, that is offensive. To egg timers. Beyond that, though, I see nothing factually incorrect in that paragraph.


  • Actress Meryl Streep welcomed the new team of Kerry and Edwards by referring to them as "President Kerry and Vice President Edwards." Disrespectful and presumptuous, don't you think?


  • Well, it's true that Kerry hasn't been elected President. But, then, neither has George Bush. At least no one has died because of Kerry being addressed by that title.


  • Comedienne Whoopi Goldberg greeted Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, and told the couple that Hollywood would do whatever it took to get them into the White House. Well, my hope and prayer is that the rest of the country, all the sane portions, will greatly disappoint Ms. Goldberg.

  • Are you making a point, here, or just flatulating with your keyboard?


  • Singer John Mellencamp sang a song he had written for the occasion that called President Bush "a cheap thug" and "a liar." All one has to do in order to discount this idiotic drivel is to call to mind some of Mr. Mellencamp himself's stunts and troubles with the law in the past.

  • Sure 'Nuff, Jethro. We could also discount aforementioned liar and cheap thug's idiotic drivel by recalling some of the stunts and troubles with the law he, as well as his vice president, have had. However, I think his idiotic drivel pretty much discounts itself.


  • It's actually another load of bologna from Mr. Kerry which we are seeing with more and more regularity. (Note: each of the actors/actresses or musicians named have contributed! to th! e situation in our nation today where vulgar and profane speech and actions are becoming more and more acceptable. Thank you, Hollywood). Real values?

  • "Vulgar and Profane Speech?" Why don't you take it up with Dick "Go Fuck Yourself" Cheney.


  • No, I say the "real" American values belong to George W. Bush, who is not afraid to mention the name of Jesus Christ in public. I say these real values belong to a President who is not afraid to confront the enemies of the cross, both inside and outside of our borders. I say the real values have been in the White House for three and a half years now (unlike the eight years before that) and that we need to keep those same values there by re-electing President Bush.

  • Enemies of the cross? Hmmm. Guess all that talk about pluralism and inclusiveness and big-tent nonsense within the GOP was all lies and hogwash. It's really about a theocratic, fundamentalist, white christian agenda, isn't it? Somebody call Ben Stein.


  • Yes, I know that these folks (like everyone else in America too) have the right to say and think whatever they feel in a free society and in the land of liberty (as long as it doesn't cross the line into the traitorous, which some may have).

  • Oh, admit it. You think anyone criticising Jesus H. Bush, at any time, is a "traitor", and you'd love the chance to squash dissent with a nice, shiny, leather boot of "Christian Mercy". Just roll out the boxcars and the Zyklon B and be done with it.


  • And let's give a big thumb's down to Mr. Kerry and his idea of "real values." The real values of America do not reside in Hollywood or in the music industry. Those are the values of the ruler of this world (2 Cor. 4:4). The real values of America are to be found in the Word of God.

  • Wow. Obviously, only a madman would think that re-electing the candidate supported by crazed religious fundamentalist theocrats such as the ones who wrote this message might not be the best way to protect our freedoms as a pluralistic society, and defeat other crazed religious fundamentalist theocrats who supposedly "hate freedom".


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    CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:31 PM
    Response to Reply #10
    12. honestly I just buy the music I like
    and go to movies that sound good to me. I also am a Bruce Willis fan (and even a fan of the Arnold). I wouldn't boycott an artist because of their personal beliefs, I think they have the right to their beliefs.

    So--I don't boycott those who think differently from me. I also don't buy junk I don't like (Dixie Chicks) just to show my political beliefs. I am not into their kind of music, and don't waste my money supporting it just because I admire them for speaking up. I will not buy a CD that I will not enjoy.

    Separate the art from the artists---support art you like and as far as the personal opinions--listen if you want--or ignore if you are not interested.
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    Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:38 PM
    Response to Reply #12
    13. Well, it's interesting...
    I used to spend a lot of time on an R.E.M. fan site (murmurs.com) but finally bailed after one too many heated arguments with gay-bashing fundamentalist right wingers. Believe it or not-- On an REM site! I mean, okay, sure, separate the art from the artist-- but when the artist is out there constantly stumping for causes you find personally abhorrent.. how do you do that? Well, apparently lots of people do. Personally, I don't seem to have that issue, becuase -for whatever reason- the vast majority of the artists I like seem to have very similar political and philosophical bends to myself.

    I actually bought the Dixie Chicks' CD as a show of support for 'em. Not crazy about the music, but I've heard worse.

    I like some of Bruce Willis's movies (12 Monkeys springs to mind) but in a case like that, are you supporting the actor (willis) or the director (Gilliam) or what? I probably won't be seeing anything that Mel Gibson does any time for the forseeable future, but in my opinion he's put out mostly crap, at least since the first Road Warrior and Year of Living Dangerously.

    Fortunately for me, most of my favorite actors & musicians (the smart ones, for some reason!) are all pretty passionate Democrats.
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    Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:45 PM
    Response to Reply #12
    17. I am completely opposite ...
    I used to love watching Mad Max and Total Recall and Die Hard ...

    Now; those movies get switched as fast as I can grab the remote and click ...

    Likewise: Mellencamp seems to have more POP in his themes now that I recognize his brotherhood with me and mine: ....

    The Marketplace is a jungle: act with care ....
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    LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:27 PM
    Response to Reply #12
    22. I agree
    I like some actors who have repugnant personal beliefs. When choosing music/art/literature etc. I go for the talent. Only if the person is truly disgusting to me (Drew Carey) that no matter how talented he she may be, I won't have anything to do with them. I won't bash them though. Not worth my time and effort.

    The opposite is true also. Just because someone may share my point of view politically doesn't mean I suddenly think they are the greatest thing ever.
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    trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:04 PM
    Response to Reply #10
    27. Gee, I thought they used vulgar and profane language AT THE EVENT.
    That's IT? They were present at a Kerry campaign event, so we get to talk about every R-rated film they ever made? Come on, now.

    Let's talk about Mel Gibson's contributions to "the situation in our nation today."
    Let's talk about Ahnold's contributions to "the situation in our nation today.
    Let's talk about Kid Rock's "contributions to "the situation in our nation today."
    How about Britney spears' "contributions to "the situation in our nation today."
    How about Toby Keith's "contributions to "the situation in our nation today."

    Need I go on?
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    POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:52 PM
    Response to Original message
    18. I also get Viagra and Male Enhancement emails
    And I think of them about the same way as this kind of rubbish.
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    Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:52 AM
    Response to Original message
    19. update: two responses from his kids (my second cousins)
    when I replied I replied all to several, including his two kids. Their reactions couldn't have been more disparate:

    ----
    Thank you for sending this response back to my Dad. I have also requested he take me off his political email list. His response was to send them more frequently, with lead-ins of how
    important his message is. Maybe, if more people will respond as you and I have, this nonsense will stop. The attached picture was a nice touch, by the way.
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    and...

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    Lighten up! Vote for whomever you want. And allow others to be passionate about the candidate(s) of their choice(s)!

    In the meantime, we'll remember you, and others like you, in our prayers. I pray that God touches your mind and heart with His truth and edmonition.

    You should be cautious and careful about your support of Kerry; he's nothing more than a self-serving, wealthy man with loads of money to buy whomever /
    whatever he wants. God help us all.
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    I'm a little concerned that I need God's truth and "edmonition". I think it means I now have to move to Canada, but I'm not sure. :)

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    ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:21 PM
    Response to Reply #19
    21. Lighten up??
    I HATE when someone tells me to LIGHTEN UP when I speak my mind.
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    Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:34 PM
    Response to Reply #19
    23. Let me be passionate but you lighten up
    :shrug: They can never see their own hypocrisy even when it is staring them in the face.
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    robbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:37 PM
    Response to Reply #19
    24. Oh that is rich!
    Kerry is a "self-serving, wealthy man with loads of money to buy whomever whatever he wants."????

    God, how deluded are these poor fools?
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    Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:07 PM
    Response to Reply #19
    31. Lighten up!
    I pray that soon, one of our pods will eat your brain, as well.

    No offense to your relatives, or their "Ed-Monitions", intended..



    "Wil-burrrrrrr!"
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    ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:03 PM
    Response to Original message
    20. You ROCK!!!!
    I'll do the same thing if I get that crap!

    Most of my friends/relatives no better than send stuff like that to me. But one of my cousins doesn't get the message sometimes.
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    Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:59 PM
    Response to Original message
    26. "Enemies of the Cross"
    :puke:

    As if a boycott of individual actors would change ANY of these actors' opinions? Utter crap.

    Good response btw :thumbsup:
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    tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:10 PM
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    28. I wonder how many of these people would choke over the 'have and
    have mores, some people call you the elite, I call you my base" clip shown in F-9/11 of Dimson* during his fundraiser. I've been REALLY hoping that someone, somewhere gets this clip and turns it into a campaign ad.

    I think that this would wake up even the most braindead Dimson* dimwits.

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    tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:19 PM
    Response to Original message
    29. It's just bugs the #^%* out of me, when...
    ...someone ignorantly uses a bible scripture in the completely wrong context, just to make themselves look like they are holier than thou.

    Email him this, and tell him here, he obviously has not read the actual scripture he was quoting. Second Corinthians chapter 4 is all about turning your life over to Jesus, and ministering in his service, after being given a second chance at life. It does not mean pushing American conservative values down everyones throat. What he is doing actually, is going directly against verse 2 of the very scripture he is quoting!

    2 Corinthians 4

    1 Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy shown us, we are not discouraged.

    2 Rather, we have renounced shameful, hidden things; not acting deceitfully or falsifying the word of God, but by the open declaration of the truth we commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.

    3 And even though our gospel is veiled, it is veiled for those who are perishing,

    4 in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that they may not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your slaves for the sake of Jesus.
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    Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:27 PM
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    30. Puglies sure do know how to whine
    Of course, the self-righteous are always very good at that sort of thing.
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