Wingnut Talking Point: Joe WILSON "Made It ALL Up, LIED"

[UTUSN]

My local radio wingnut talkshow host is pushing these:

1) WILSON MADE IT ALL UP and

2)



He's using the Congressional Intelligence Cmte's report that sez that WILSON's wife DID recommend him for the job AND that his intel did NOT result in a change of policy.

My points: 1) Yellowcake was NOT sold to Iraq. 2) CHEENEE *did* break the law outing a CIA agent.


????Where did WILSON *LIE*????????

[DAGDA56]

1. Shemp Hannity said the same thing this afternoon...

...said "Wilson lied" without elaborating, and then took a break...I was able to push the button before the first three words of the Viagra commercial got out.

[LittleApple81]

3. It was something that appeared this weekend somewhere..

I forget where. Ah... I remember... It was Steno Sue? Or Steno Pat? from Washington Post.

[Justitia]

2. I read this same BS on a local wingnut forum today.

The RW Blastfax sure does make the rounds doesn't it?

I smell the stench of desperation.

[tridim]

6. It goes hand in hand with the CIA Intelligence report

Apparently the report completely lets Bush off the hook and Wilson should now be considered a traitor because the Whitehouse outed his wife. Yea, that's the ticket!

[merh]

17. No, its their standard disinformation campaign to discredit people

involved in matters that are about to slap them upside the head.

They are afraid of the Fitzgerald investigation and possible indictments so they have feed their little chirpies the misinformation lines to diffuse the news of the investigation and/or indictments.

This is the way they work, discredit, attack and lower the credibility of a source or party involved.

(Most notorious example - hate France - freedom Fries - France wants to indict Cheney and they want him bad -- and have wanted him for a couple of years)

[Joanne98]

4. No good deed goes unpunished

This world is so evil. I HATE bi-partisian commissions. They're all crooks.

[LittleApple81]

5. Josh Marshal had something about this in TPM

snip... (from July 10, 2004 article)

I'll dispense with the literary prologue and get right to the point.

Susan Schmidt is known, happily among DC Republicans and not so happily among DC Democrats, as what you might call the "Mikey" (a la Life Cereal fame) of the DC press corps, especially when the cereal is coming from Republican staffers.

This morning she has an article on the Senate intel report and Joe Wilson, specifically focusing on the relevance of Wilson's reporting on Niger (the report says analysts did not see Wilson's findings as weakening claims that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium from Niger) and his wife's role in recommending him for the assignment.

We'll discuss the broader issues of Plame's role in Wilson's assignment and the underlying question of the alleged Iraq-Niger negotiations. A clearer-eyed take on Wilson and report can be found here in this story by Knight Ridder. But for now a few points on Schmidt's treatment.
more at link..

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[UTUSN]

20. Thanks for That Previous Link n/t

[Octafish]

7. They lie. It's their only defense.

And by lying, they confuse a few and buy time.

It's like Blofeld in the Bond movies.



"Prepare the bathysub."

They need the time to make their getaway.

If Wilson really did make all that stuff up, how come George Bush Sr. thanked him for his bravery before the Gulf War. Wilson was the last American ambassador to face Saddam before the spaghetti hit the fan. Wilson was no chicken then. And he's no chicken -- or liar -- now.

The radio turd is right: There are liars, thieves and murderers in government. They occupy the White House.

[UTUSN]

9. My Further Tongue-lashing of the Wingnut

Your attack on Joe WILSON.

You kept slandering, saying that WILSON LIED and MADE IT ALL UP.

There was NO yellow cake sold to Iraq, O.K.?

Iraq was NOT making NU-KU-LAR weapons, O.K.?

CHEENEE and Shrub LIED about the "mushroom cloud", O.K.?

They BROKE THE LAW in outing Valerie PLAME, O.K.?

Why don't you take the blinders off (I ask again and again)?

[DAGDA56]

10. Shemp Hannity also made the point, quickly in passing, that...

..."everybody in town knew Valerie Plame was CIA" expect that to be the followup talking point...in other words: Outed? how can you out something that's already out there? Move on, there's nothing to see here...

[Octafish]

11. NICE!

Very well stated, UTUSN!
There's no comeback to the Truth.

[UTUSN]

12. He Never Responds to Unrespondables

only to tangents.

[alcuno]

8. Wilson was the THIRD US official to check out the yellowcake story.

A fact that's often conveniently left out. I believe that the others were the ambassador there and a US General.

[demgrrrll]

13. Take a look at the latest talkingpointsmemo He really hits the nail

on the head. It's irrelevant. They outed a CIA agent. If they are so sure that it isn't a problem why not come forward and clear the air?
<http://talkingpointsmemo.com/>

[UTUSN]

14. Thanks, I Needed That. It's on the Way to the Wingnut n/t

[UTUSN]

16. The Highlights Only Work If Copied from a Website

*******QUOTE*******

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

There's been a rush of egregious commentary about the Niger uranium story in the last couple days. And one point we hear again and again is that if Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, played a role in recommending him for the trip to Niger, as the SSCI report clearly states, then this wholly changes the legal and political implications of the administration officials' decision to reveal her identity in the press.

As I pointed out a couple days ago, legally it is clearly irrelevant. Political impact is of course both subjective and unpredictable. So, though we might all venture opinions, there's very little way to know.

But, really, why argue?

If there's no legal case and no political problem, why don't the senior administration officials who leaked her identity just come forward?

If their rationale is a good one and they face no legal jeopardy, what's the problem?

It seems like a great opportunity to clear the air, settle the story, ascertain the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Doing so will save much of the money being spent on the investigation Mr. Fitzgerald is running. They can save themselves a lot of attorneys' fees. And they can have a free opportunity to explain the rationale behind their decision and why they believed it was the right thing to do in the context.

I can only assume by their silence that they're rather less confident about the quality of their explanation and the degree of their legal jeopardy than their many voluble defenders in the conservative press.

-- Josh Marshall
********UNQUOTE*******

[SayitAintSo]

15. This is good ... this will just stir the whole issue back up again...

Wilson lost out on some of his needed media blitz for his book as he was preempted by some other overwhelming media event at the time his book came out .... can't remember what the event was (Reagan? Berg?).... anyway SOMETHING swallowed the news cycles for him. I think he can play this right to get some more press coverage - Let's hope.

[DemBones DemBones]

18. Someone called in to C-SPAN's "Washington Journal"

spouting this nonsense weeks ago. She claimed Wilson outed his own wife in order to get attention. She sounded unstable to me --- so her idea probably appealed to some wingnut listener who passed the idea on.

[UTUSN]

19. The Wingnut's Reply to TPM

----- Original Message -----

Ypou need to take this up with the Washington Post reporter who first wrote the story. she is the one who points out the discrepancy in what he said and what the Committee says about it.

*********UNQUOTE********



& my inimitable, scintillating response:


Funny how you and your wingnut guest were all hot to discredit the "investigation" as NO investigation when it dealt with certain sections, but you are 100% parroting with the sections you like.

As for taking it up with whomever, YOU were the one spreading YOUR slant. Did the WP writer ("reporters" are hard to find) use the phrase "made it all up"?

[Dr Fate]

21. Response: Let's put them both on TV and "under oath" and find out.

...that is what we used to do when there were questions about whether Clinton lied.