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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:46 AM
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Chicago Sun-Times goes after Plame/Wilson in defense of Novak
Report blows couple's cover story

A year ago our Robert Novak wrote a column about how the CIA came to pick a partisan critic of President Bush to go to Niger to look into a report that Iraq had sought uranium there. Novak reported that Joseph Wilson was picked after his wife, a CIA employee, recommended him.


The subsequent controversy wasn't over a CIA employee trying to influence public policy debate but over Novak revealing an allegedly undercover agent. Wilson declared she had nothing to do with his selection. Now the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on the CIA confirms that Novak's report was right: Wilson was recommended for the job by his wife, Valerie Plame. What's more, it says she told him his mission was to investigate "this crazy report." That sounds suspiciously like his verdict was a foregone conclusion before Wilson ever left for Niger.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/commentary/cst-edt-edits13.html
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:51 AM
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1. allegedly undercover agent????
Fucking idiots...
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:51 AM
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2. Sounds like Rove
has given the whores their talking points in advance of the indictments.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:52 AM
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3. when will we see justice on this?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:57 AM
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4. I wonder
how many fax machines KKKarl has worn out sending e-mails to his favorites?
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cardlaw Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:20 AM
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15. You can send
emails on fax machines now? Damn. :)
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MadAsHell Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:29 AM
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16. As a matter of fact you can ...
a school nearby, has a non-computer guy (read as luddite) as the school board president. E-mails sent to him are routed through a software package and "printed" to his fax machine.
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cardlaw Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:18 AM
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19. That's receiving email.
Can he send emails too?
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MadAsHell Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:29 PM
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22. HP has a high end all-in-one machine that will
scan, package and e-mail in a Microsoft domain. It must use exchange server. It is not exactly a fax machine, but it does send and recieve faxs (faxes, faxi, faxen, or whatever ... english drives me crazy sometimes).
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:59 PM
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26. "I" before "E " except after "C". Receive not recieve.
:evilgrin:
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cardlaw Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:34 PM
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28. Wow.
Color me impressed.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:12 AM
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18. D'oh.................
Careless, careless, careless.......

sorry 'bout that.
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nixonwasbetterthanW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:58 AM
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5. Chicago Sun-Times: It's okay to out a CIA agent

MEMO

TO: All Sun-Times reporters & columnists

FROM: S-T management

RE: In some cases, it's ok to "out"


If you suspect any source has lied to or misled you, or even if you suspect that someone who's not a source has done so, please feel free to publicly reveal the covert espionage status of close kin of that source, even if it means that the person who gave you such information committed a felony and the publication of the information would compromise U.S. intelligence-gathering.

Thank you. Have a good day!

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:01 AM
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6. "...an allegedly undercover agent."
This sounds suspiciously like an out-right attempt to distort the truth. There is no serious debate that Plame was a CI operative with the highest level of "deep cover" that any person can have. From Joseph Klein (Time, 7-5, pg 21) we know that she was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components," and that "Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll..."

From Wilson's book (pg 452) we know that on 3-8-03, there was a high-level meeting in VP cheney's office, reputedly attended by cheney, libby, newt gingrich, & other senior republicans, to produce a work-up on Wilson to discredit him .... four months before his NYT op-ed exposed president bush's 16-word lie.

From John Dean's 5-23-04 NYT Book review (pg 9) of Wilson's book, we learn that on the day following Wilson's op-ed piece, Robert Novak told a COMPLETE STRANGER ON A PUBLIC STREET that "Wilson's a ****. The CIA sent him. His wife, Valerie, works for the CIA. She's a weapons of mass destruction specialist."

Anyone who is interested in a letter-writing campaign to expose the white house lies and crimes, please go to the Plame Indictment thread #6 in GD.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:06 AM
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7. Wasn't it the Chicago Sun Times
that was LYING about their circulation? And is in big trouble now?
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:09 AM
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8. Yep.
Don't forget, the Sun-Times is still owned by Hollinger/Conrad Black. I'm not sure who writes these editorials, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a Black/Radler appointee.
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nixonwasbetterthanW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:16 AM
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13. Sun-Times has a nexus with disreputable "journalists"

Here's a refresher for those of you who've forgotten George F. "Take it somewhere else, Buster" Will's special relationship w/Conrad Black:

<http://www.fair.org/activism/will-disclosure.html>
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:36 PM
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23. yes, and they just got nailed, along with Newsday, and Oy
by whatever group oversees newspaper circulation

they can't even SAY what their circulation is for a year

they're WORSE, by far, than the Tribune, which has many capable reporters, doing a more than fairly good job reporting the truth

some exceptions, like Jeff Zeleny, who sucks at Cheney's teat on AF2, but most of the others do a decent job
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:10 AM
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9. There's been a particular stench of desperation about the Sun-Times lately
Their terror-fueling banner headlines have sunk back down to the level of bloodthirsty provocation they sported back when we started bombing Afghanistan.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:10 AM
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10. she was asking for it
Novak did what needed to be done, and he felt better after doing it.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:12 AM
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11. I'm confused
The Senate Report lends credence to the Iraq/Niger Yellow cake story? I thought the documents used by the British were forged, etc etc. I must have missed something.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:14 AM
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12. They WERE forged, but that doesn't mean it wasn't really happening
or, um, something. :crazy:
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:20 AM
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14. Apparently
They're angry because Joe Wilson was a "partisan" against Bush, and his wife "got him the job" and told him to disprove Bush's "batshit rantings" (okay, not a real quote).

And so Joe Wilson went, and he DID disprove the claims the administration was making.

But that's no reason not to out his wife. She got him the job. An anti-Bush partisan.

That would be like if Bush and Cheney had decided to put Ken Lay on a top secret energy commission, if Bush and Cheney were deep-cover CIA operatives whose very lives, and the lives of others, would be in danger if their identities were exposed.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:55 AM
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20. They found where they had searched e-bay for it.
<sarcasm off>
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:39 PM
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24. see JM Marshall for the deconstruction of the WPost story
by Susan Schmidt that started all this

they had to correct the MAJOR point in the story, about which country might have been trying to get the U.

schmidt said IraQ, and the report said IraN

ring a bell from 2000 and the Love Canal story?
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:06 PM
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27. You'll have to search but here is what I caught on another thread about
that. Or maybe it was www.talkingpointsmemo.com?

Apparently there was more info than just the forged report suggesting that even though Iraq had much yellowcake they apparetnly felt like tipping their hand by attempting to purchase more from some squatters running a defunct mine that did not have the capability to refine the raw material into the yellowcake that was being sought. Furthermore the French followed a lead about a purchase but could not find consummation of the deal, leaving them as an independent verifier of Iraq's INTENT to purchase said unnecessary yellowcake. What tipped them off you say? Why the aforementioned forged documents! NOW THAT'S PROOF!!


Pheh.

fob

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:34 AM
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17. The muddying of the waters continues
When will Wilson speak up about this crap?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:59 AM
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21. Notice No One would put their name to that piece of Treason
WHO WROTE THAT ?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:51 PM
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25. Its an editorial so its never bylined. . .most papers do it that way
:kick:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:05 AM
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29. Kick
:kick:
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:19 AM
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30. Chicago Scum-Times: apologists for treason
That bastard Novak, whose leak sabotaged OUR national security, can't be frog-marched fast enough to make me happy.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:32 AM
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31. Treason is not mitigated by red herrings.
Wilson could be a lying sack of shit (of course, he isn't), but outing his wife is still treason.
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