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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:31 AM
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latest right-wing email bullshit: not on snopes yet
Has anyone seen this shit yet? I'm so disappointed. I just got this bullshit from my nephew who recently joined the navy. He mass emailed it to all of his navy buddies and included me. I can't find anything on snopes and I want to refute it point by point with specifics but it would take me hours. You people are the best at this stuff and I'm asking for help. I will put something together and reply all when I get it all done.

Here it is:

This would seem not really all that relevant to  us today until you get to #14. Then, chills go down the spine.

 

Dear Mr. Ex-President Clinton:

 

          I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for Clinton-Gore." So, I sat down and reflected on that, and since you are now supporting Mr. Kerry, I am sending my "Thank you" for what you have specifically done:

 

1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?

 

2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

 

3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job are OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.

 

4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

 

5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent,  Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

 

6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.

 

7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonments from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.

 

8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.

 

9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars--- I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a better deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollar than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you, your family and your cronies logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration.

 

10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.

 

11. Thanks also for removing the White House silverware. I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends."

 

12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out.

     I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China,

silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel. Thank you!

 

13. And, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay?

 

14. The last and most important point - thank you for forcingIsraelto let Mohammed Atta go free.  Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus in Israelin 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of theOsloagreement with the Palestinians in 1993,Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners". However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually thanked theUSby flying an airplane into Tower One of theWorldTradeCenter. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in theUSfrom all later reports.

     Why shouldn't Americans know the real truth?

 

God blessAmericaand THANK YOU (once again) for spending my taxes so wisely and frugally.

 

SINCERELY,

 

AUSCitizen

 

 

 

PS. Please pass along a special thank you to Al Gore for "inventing" the Internet, without which I would not be able to send this wonderful, factual e-mail.

 

 

 

AND THE REST OF THE STORY:

Hillary Rodham Clinton, as a New York State Senator, now comes under the "Congressional Retirement and Staffing Plan," which means that even if she never gets reelected, she STILL receives her Congressional salary until she dies. (Would it not be nice if all

Americans were pension eligible after only 4 years?)

          If Bill outlives her, he then inherits HER salary until HE dies. He is already getting his Presidential salary until he dies. If Hillary outlives Bill, she also gets HIS salary until she  dies. Guess who pays for that?

          WE DO!

 

          What a guy!!

 
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Seemann For Congress Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:37 AM
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1. Seen it before
Just by skipping to the end, I spotted an easy mistake.

Hillary is not a "New York State Senator". She's a United States Senator.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:41 AM
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2. Atta is debunked on Snopes separately.
Plus the White House china / Air Force One damage claims were completely bogus. Ari Fleischer never did provide any evidence to back up those smears.

The rest is hooey. ONE administration official under Clinton was convicted. Mike Espy, I think? For accepting a bribe of football tickets or some such.

138 convictions, resignations, or indictments of Reagan officials though. Eat that.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:48 AM
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5. Espy plead guilty to a misdemeanor
That is all.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:04 AM
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9. Espy was acquitted. McDougall did jail time, for contempt
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 10:06 AM by merh
for not answering the court's questions.

On edit -- Espy's major felony charges were dismissed - thus the misdemeanor pleal
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:38 AM
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16. white house vandalization
Was proven false by those radical America haters at the General Accounting Office... of course, you can never take the word of an accountant, as they are all closet communists & socialists.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:46 AM
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3. Not all but some
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 09:51 AM by underpants
I don't know where they got that convictions number from...oh wait look at this wack jobs list-notice that no one IN the administration plead guilty or was convicted. ON EDIT-Mike Espy lead guilty to a misdemeanor.
http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/figures.html#Algore

bartcop has a great list of convictions Clinton and Reagan
http://www.bartcop.com/convictions.htm

Other

Bill didn't introduce us to the women named (Dolly Kyle Browning?) the REPUBLICANS did! "What will we tell the children?" I don't know YOU brought it up!

8. Uh that was Clinton's military that invaded Iraq (prepared for that). Clinton greatly upgraded the military hardwear during his terms in office-missiles/bombs that were 30% accurate during Gulf1 were 70% accurate in Kosovo and supposedly 80% accurate in Iraq (that still isn't accurate enough especially when the leaders pick the wrong spots to bomb.

11-12 White House vandalism?http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/trashingthewhitehouse.htm

The final, official report from the Government Accounting Office was released on June 11, 2002. The 220 page document says there was damage, although not as much as some of the early reports had suggested. The GAO says the damage included 62 missing computer keyboards, 26 cell phones, two cameras, ten antique doorknobs and several presidential medallions and office signs. The damage estimate was about $20,000. Clinton critics say the report proves that the departing Clinton staff members acted recklessly and disrespectfully. Clinton supporters say the report shows that the allegations of vandalism were exaggerated and that there were similar incidents when Clinton took over the White House from the staff of George Bush.

The letter also said that the condition of the White House offices was "...consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."

14.Bullshit!
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:47 AM
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4. Here's the link for the Snopes Atta piece.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:50 AM
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6. It's just a potpourri of anti-Clinton talking points
The charges of theft and vandalism are nothing more than baseless charges made by the Bushies soon after they moved in; it is never been supported by fact. One may assume that, like their case for going to war against Iraq, they are false and that those who disseminate them know that they are false.

The charges about some of Clinton's pardons as he left office raise valid points. Hopefully, those making these charges will be willing to give scrutiny to any pardons Mr. Bush gives as he goes out the door.

The points about Mr. Clinton's personal conduct and sexual mores are red herrings. He was not the only occupant of the White House to have personal failings of this nature; he is simply the only one to have Ken Starr snooping about exposing them. As for impeachment, it was only right that the Senate virtually laughed the impeachment resolution out of town by refusing to give a majority for conviction, let alone the two-thirds required for removal. The Republicans shot themselves in the foot over impeachment. Al thought the official charge was perjury, one is only being charitable to the Republicans in saying that Clinton was impeached over a blow job; he was impeached for being a Democrat. It was bald faced partisan politics carried to a level where it did not belong. The real question there is why did the GOP push impeachment when their case lacked any merit.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:59 AM
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7. The ones I can do off the top of my head.
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 10:45 AM by aden_nak
1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?

Actually, it was the media that introduced the public to these women. If the issue here is that a politician who is an adulterer is unfit to be elected, there are as many Republicans as Democrats who have commited that act.

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2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

Once again, I can assure you, Bill Clinton had NO DESIRE to have his sex life become a topic for public and "political" debate. It was a private act between two concenting adults, and it only came to light because of a $50 million investigation into Bill Clinton's personal life.

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4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

Ah yes, Impeachment. Specificly, Impeachment over a lie about a personal affair that should never have been the subject of a judicial proceding in the first place. You may thank the Republican-led congress for attempting to Impeach the President of the Unites States over a lie about a sexual affair. And would these "Wag the Dog" tactics include ending genocide in Bosnia, or launching cruise missiles at Osama bin Laden?

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7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonments from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.

By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever.

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-07-04/discussion.cgi.30.html

I will assume you also wrote a letter to Ronald Reagan in this redard.

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8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.

Clinton actually out-spent George H. W. Bush in military costs, so of course, you have also written George H. W. Bush regarding military cutbacks. By August of 2003, George W. Bush had taken 250 vacation days in 2 1/2 years. By December of 1999, Bill Clinton had taken 152 days in almost 8 years.

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10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.

"Ronald Reagan dispensed 393 pardons and 13 commutations during his tenure."

http://www127.pair.com/critical/food-23.htm

Again, I am sure that he also received a nasty letter from you.

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12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China, silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel. Thank you!

"A GAO study has confirmed there was no destruction of keyboards, no graffiti, there was no vandalism."

http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/06/02/vandal/index.html

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13. And, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay?

Not to harp on Reagan again, but he got an $8.5 million book advance. I wasn't aware that this was a crime of any kind, or even dishonorable. If the point of contention is that he was writing about criminal activity (which you have failed to name at any time), perhaps Ronald Reagan should not have accepted $8.5 million dollars because of his involvement in Iran/Contra.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:05 AM
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10. "Wag the Dog" ? Let's see Oct.23, 1983 Bombing of Marines in Beirut
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101035,00.html

Nashton, now 44, had been on the ground floor, in the northeast corner of a barracks housing members of his unit, when a truck full of explosives exploded Oct. 23, 1983, tearing open the barracks and causing the building to collapse.

Grenada invaded.............Oct.25, 1983

http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/1252/US_invades_Grenada

October 25
On this date in 1983, President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. Marines and Army Rangers to invade Grenada.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:32 PM
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25. Awesome aden_nak

I seem to have seen many many emails today from the right...and all of them serioulsy 'debunked' in under 5 seconds!

Thanks!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:00 AM
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8. When will they be done attacking Clinton? Ever? - n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:06 AM
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11. Navy men sure have changed!
Besides the (debunked) Atta story & the (debunked) White House theft/damage story, we've got pardons (compare with the Bush Sr's pardon's & compare with the upcoming Bush Jr pardons) & time on Air Force 1 (how many campaign trips?)

What's left over? Consensual sex! (Which we can thank Clinton's enemies for uncovering.)

Glad to see today's sailors are all for celibacy.
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LoverOfLiberty Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:15 AM
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12. Congressional Retirement
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 10:15 AM by LoverOfLiberty
debunked by Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp

Gee, there is almost nothing left to debunk!
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timdoodle Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:18 AM
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13. Congressional Retirement Pay
Members of Congress do not get that package. That is a bunch of crap. Having worked on the Hill for three years and receiving tons of letters griping about retirement pay, I can tell you that members receive a weighted scale retirement that they pay into, and it never reaches full pay for life...
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:34 AM
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14. let's see...
if that's the worst you can come up with on the Clintons, I think we can all live with some minor hanky panky as opposed to our country and our military and our vets getting screwed. This hanky panky never personally impacted me or anybody else I know.

On the other hand:

Detail out the job market that he can expect to return to if he's planning to get out of the military soon. Hopefully he's learned a skill in the military and not just a non-transferable combat Mos. If he's sacrificed for our country and was in a combat MOS, he's really screwed -- no one's hiring these days without on-the-job experience.
There are no jobs for gunners. If the President doesn't know how to generate jobs, I suggest you fire him and get someone who can. As the economy started sliding in the Great Depression, Herbert Hoover at least tried to give people jobs by starting a project to improve the road system. His wife ran relief out of the White House.


He knows how overloaded the military is and that its not getting any better. In fact, one of the generals privately has said, that Rumsfeld & co. know that they are breaking the military and that THEY DONT CARE! Also, JCS Shinseki told Rumsfeld that they needed 250K troops to hold Iraq and because Rumsfeld didn't listen to him (and fired him) that's why you are working all these crazy hours under such pressure.

Let's not even get started on the war profiteering by Bush's & Cheney's buddies at Haliburton, etc. Why are there so many Indians and Pakistanis being hired at these companies and not Iraqis? Doesn't that give you a clue as to how an insurgency could get to be so popular? With the billions of dollars spent in Iraq, they could only manage to hire 15-20K Iraqis. If we hired the Iraqis and mopped up some of the unemployment rate (now running at about 50%) there would be a whole lot of people a whole lot less unhappy. Shoot, if we spent put them all on welfare they wouldn't be as mad. One of things the jihadis are doing is handing out welfare.

VA benefits have been slashed. In fact, if he did manage to learn a skill in the military and gets a job in that field in the civilian world, he can not collect overtime for work done beyond 40 hour work week. He can thank Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor for that rule change.

VA health care has been slashed especially in rural areas. If he lives out that a way hope he doesn't mind waiting a long time for his appointments and not getting the services he and his dependents need. It's kind of a pisser looking at the older vets and realized that they had all this money available for their needs and that you aren't going to get it. Our government after World War II could not thank the vets enough and civilians sacrificed their tax breaks to make sure that they took care of them (in fact, they had a year off after they got home with pay). You aint gonna get anything like that in your lifetime. In fact, you will be getting less than Vietnam vets or Gulf War I vets, courtesy of this administration.

How hard does he have to be hit over the head with a baseball bat by this administration?


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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:36 AM
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15. as for the values issues...
i don't know but I've seen one too many preachers carry on about values and restoring morality while trying to pick my pocket.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:39 AM
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17. Different Atta, and that is on snopes. Silly email, not worthy of
much of your time. :hi:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:41 AM
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18. use of Air Force 1
I believe *'s use of Air Force 1 has dwarfed Clinton's use... you can also add in that Bush has spent more time on vacation in 3 years than Clinton did in 8.

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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:44 AM
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19. So many lies, so little time.
Why bother with such a cockamamie piece of crap?

Only the lunatic fringe believe such tripe.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:45 AM
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20. Rebuttal: "I didn't know Bill Clinton was running for President in '04!"
Their obsession with Clinton knows no bounds.

The more they keep running the last election (hell, actually, we're talking TWO elections ago), the less effective they'll be at winning the CURRENT ONE.

Do you see Democrats today running around like maniacs, foaming at the mouth about Richard Nixon?

Focus, focus, focus. We have it. They don't. That's why we're going to win.

-MR
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:56 AM
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22. Good one! It's what I retorted at a Dukakis yammerer the other day!
:hi:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:54 AM
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21. Another thread to bookmark
I'm sure I'll be getting this on in the mail soon. Thanks!

MzPip
:dem:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:31 PM
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23. Point by point.
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 01:04 PM by TheWraith
I think this covers them all. Let me know if you spot any trailing sentences or anything.

I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for Clinton-Gore." So, I sat down and reflected on that, and since you are now supporting Mr. Kerry, I am sending my "Thank you" for what you have specifically done:

1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?


Yes, you left out Richard Mellon Scaife, the extreme-right billionaire who payed millions of dollars to dig up false stories about Bill Clinton. He paid for the original story that resulted in the Paula Jones suit, and paid for untrue smear attacks against Clinton throughout his presidency. If you want proof, it's all documented in the book "Blinded by the Right," written by Scaife's former employee and 'bag man' David Brock.

2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

If you want to cast stones at Clinton for his personal behavior, that's your perogative, and I ain't going to stop you. But if you do, you also have to condemn Newt Gingrich and the rest of the Republican House leadership, almost all of whom were cheating on their wives while they impeached Clinton for cheating on his wife. If you stone Clinton for cheating on his wife, but give Newt and the boys a pass for cheating on their wives as well as dragging Clinton's affair into the public spotlight against his will, that is simple hypocrisy.

3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job are OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.

Whatever happened to Republicans' respect for the Rule of Law? It was a Reagan-appointed judge who ruled that there was absolutely no evidentiary grounds for the harassment lawsuit against Clinton--in other words, that it was a completely bogus frivolous lawsuit. It was another Reagan appointed judge who selected a definition that excluded non-reciprocative oral sex.

4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

Half the time the Republicans scream that Clinton did nothing to try and get Osama Bin Laden, but when he came within one hour of killing Bin Laden with a cruise missle strike, the Republicans could say nothing but "Wag the dog! Wag the dog!" And you accuse John Kerry of flip-flopping?

5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

You keep talking shit about Kennedy, and you're going to have a fight on your hands, boy. In any event, comparing Clinton to Nixon or Johnson is way the hell out of perspective. Johnson started a war, and Nixon was an insane jack-booted thug who had his hand in every nasty thing from here to Istanbul. Clinton produced peace and prosperity, reduced the size of government, earned international respect, and was beloved by hundreds of millions of Americans.

6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.

Lies piled upon lies without a shred of proof. No one fled the country, nobody pleaded the fifth. Jerry Falwell used to sell a video tape claiming that Bill Clinton killed 80 people while he was governor of Arkansas, and had raped teenage virgins on the dining room table of the governors' mansion while snorting cocaine. That's about how credible this claim about the fundraising is.

7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonments from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.


Totally and completely false. All of the investigations of Clinton and everyone connected with him resulted in only ONE felony conviction of any kind: Webster Hubbell, former Assistant Attorney General, was convicted of stealing money from Hillary Clinton and his other partners in the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas, twenty years previously. That's all. Do you know what administration did have 32 criminal convictions? The Reagan administration. 16 administration officials convicted in the HUD scandal, 14 convicted in Iran-Contra, and 2 convicted for illegal lobbying, not to mention the 7 people that Bush Senior pardoned on Christmas Eve, 1992, a group that included former Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger. If you don't believe me, look it up. It's a matter of public record.

8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.

The only reductions in the size of the military in the last 15 years were ordered by President George H. W. Bush and his Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney. Look it up.

Any scholar of foreign policy will tell you that under Clinton the U.S. was stronger and more respected than ever before. We brought peace in Northern Ireland, and nearly brought peace in Israel before Sharon lit a powder keg up for his own political gain.

And you want to talk about vacations? Clinton worked 80 hour weeks. Bush Jr. has, since the beginning of his term, spent fully 40% of his time on vacation. Four out of every ten days. I doubt most employers would take kindly to you or I deciding that we'd like a three-day weekend every week, or month-long vacations after only working a couple of months.

9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars--- I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a better deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollar than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you, your family and your cronies logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration.

I'll ignore the fact that this 'point' parses like a Rubix cube, and simply reply. That last line is completely untrue, not the least reason being the fact that George Bush has used Air Force One far more than Clinton ever did. You don't believe me, look it up. It's a simple fact.

10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.

Nobody Clinton pardoned committed another crime. Reagan and Bush Sr. both pardoned hundreds of felons, including members of their own cabinets. One of Bush Senior's pardonees, a drug runner, ended up later committing a triple murder.

11. Thanks also for removing the White House silverware. I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends."

Lies and damn lies. See below.

12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out.
I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China,
silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel. Thank you!


Complete and utter fabrications. But don't believe my word, ask the General Accounting Office, who investigated both claims and concluded that absolutely nothing had been inappropriately removed, nor any damage done, either in the White House or in AF1. The thing about all the W keys being missing is false too, in case you're wondering. The only report about the transition that was found to be true was that the sign marking the White House Communications Office was covered with a taped-on piece of paper proclaiming it to be the "White House Office of Communications and Strategery," a little joke from one staff to the next.

13. And, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay?

Despite the most exhaustive investigations in American political history, even a rabid Clinton-hater like Ken Starr was unable to produce any evidence that the Clintons had ever committed any crime. If there was any evidence of any crime, why weren't the Clintons charged? And can you begrudge them earning a little money, considering that they were millions of dollars in debt at the end of his term as a result of legal fees for defending themselves against the dozens of false and frivlous lawsuits?

14. The last and most important point - thank you for forcingIsraelto let Mohammed Atta go free. Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus in Israelin 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of theOsloagreement with the Palestinians in 1993,Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners". However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually thanked theUSby flying an airplane into Tower One of theWorldTradeCenter. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in theUSfrom all later reports.

It wasn't 'censored,' it was false. The "Mohammed Atta" that the Israelis released from prison bore absolutely no relation to the Atta who was among the hijackers. This is a well known item that's been circulated on the internet many times and debunked just as often. And, if the original author of this list had done any fact-checking instead of regurgitating urban legends and debunked right-wing spin points, they would have found that out. It's characteristic of the lack of research and actual information that went into this piece. Once again, if you don't believe me, look it up. Everything I've said is fact.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:23 PM
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24. Personal anecdote about point number 2
A friend's seven year old daughter was telling me about her boyfriend.

She was telling me about different things, then she told me that she "sucked his peepee."

I guess that I should have been shocked. In fact, I was.

This was in 1980 or 1981.

I guess that Bill Clinton must have travelled back in time.

On a more recent note, I was walking my dog down the street. There were a number of kids out playing on a tire swing (no, I am not in a very rural neighborhood, this was in front of a duplex).

Anyway, one of the kids noticed my wife and I passing by. This girl (about 6?) yelled out "Susie likes SEX!" (name changed to protect the innocent) repeatedly. "Susie" of course shouted out "SHUT UP!".

So, I guess that these kids, who probably didn't have any clue what was on TV in 1998 or 1999 learned it about Clinton there too.

Actually, I feel sorry for the fictional writer of that piece. Waiting that long to explain to his kid about the creeps in his neighborhood (or, for that matter, about the 8 year old's older sibling or friend) and not preparing him for the dangers of other freepers with candy.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:36 PM
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26. 1-5...
1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?

Yeah. You left out Howard Hunt, Gordon Liddy, Charles Colson, Ollie North, John Poindexter, Ken Lay, James Bath, to name a few.


2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

(italics added) And that's what's really chafing your shorts, isn't it? Sorry, but that's your fuckin' problem, bub. Maybe you should have gotten out more.


3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job are OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.

Well, now we have a president who has taught us that pre-emptive warfare on the basis of lies is OK, and Weapons of Mass Destruction that don't exist are still a perfectly rational excuse to kill thousands of innocent people, and that starting a totally unprovoked war qualifies, in uncompromising Orwellian fashion, as, quote, "expanding the peace". But no one splooged on a blue dress, so that's all okay.

4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

Clinton Demonstrated it? Bush is living it. Oh, except it's a real war.

5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

Or, thanks to Dubya for making Ulysses S. Grant look competent, George HW Bush look peaceable, Dwight Eisenhower look engaged, Dan Quayle look intelligent, and, um, Richard Nixon look honest.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:40 PM
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27. 6 yrs for Hillary, not 4 .. you'd they'd at least get THAT right. nt
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