Bush just stuck it to Kerry pretty good today....

[kentuck]

Sorry to report. He said Kerry voted against the $87 billion for the troops and then bragged about it. I tell you this shit is going to start to stick. Somebody better respond....and a campaign letter just won't cut it, in my opinion.

[Dookus]

1. we're DOOOOOOMED!!!!

[MallRat]

2. Would any rational person believe that Kerry BRAGGED about this?

It's desperate, and it's going to backfire.

[derby378]

3. He's only saying that...

...because Kerry is starting to beat Bush in the polls.

[K-W]

4. Its a good rhetorical point for them

but dont panic. Kerry wont be perfect, some criticisms will stick to some extent. Kerry needs to be aggressive and forceful on the issue of commander and chief. It is Bush's only leg to stand on. Kerry needs to convince people that he is a military man who knows when to stand up and fight.

[kentuck]

5. I will predict that within a week or two....

Bush will be ahead in most of the major polls...?

[mstrsplinter326]

6. The story is a lot more complex than that.

I've read elsewhere that the bill in question was full of riders and clauses that actually made conditions worse for the troops.

Moreover bush has cut benefits to the national guard, cut troop pay and cut money for veterans healthcare. And brags about being out to lunch for the first 6 months of his presidency.

Since nothing BushCo says is credable, I would say he has no power to stick it anyone.

[rinsd]

11. It is more complex.....

BUsh has simplified but the fact of the matter is people will only "hear" that Kerry voted for the war then sought to deny it funding. It reinforces the wishywashy meme.

Kentuck is rightfully worried about its impact not agreeing with the charge.

[sallyseven]

20. He would have voted for it if the money came

out of the sweet deal that bushead gave his corporate whores. this is public knowledge. Kerry will have to make sure everyone hears it again.

[kentuck]

12. Average voters don't know any of that...

They hear repetition and after a while, they start to believe it.... They don't rationalize about riders and clauses, unfortunately.

[sangh0]

35. Bush* isn't the only one who gets to repeat themselves

You can be sure that Kerry and Edwards will be making their case over and over again.

[merh]

41. Wasn't there a problem with the funding for the $87 Million

and didn't McCain (I know everybody hates him) vote against it too?

The problem was that there were no funding measures and the tax cuts were not altered to tax those who could afford the taxes. McCain complained about tax cuts for the rich while trying to fund the additional costs of the war without any provisions for the funding. That is when the repuke leaders were heard to say McCain who?

[cidliz2004]

58. The point is IS that too much DOES stick

While Bush gets away with statements at dinners something like " ....calling the rich people/millionaires his base... (from Michael Moore movie) WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE USE THAT STATEMENT????? and simply say "Yes, GW does mean what he says ..about some things."

The Dems need to get a little stronger in their rhetoric or they are toast. That is why we went to Iraq, that is why Al Gore didn't get in the White House. The Democrats have no courage!

[mstrsplinter326]

63. Stronger Rhetoric? I agree, but...

I would like them to start backing up the weak things they are saying now.

Then they can move on to some stronger rhetoric.

They've really jaded and disenfranchised me, and I know I am not the only one.

[denverbill]

7. Bush sent them there poorly equipped. With no body armor.

To fight an unnecessary, ungodly expensive, and seemingly never-ending war. And he has the audicity to Kerry doesn't support the troops?

[progressivebydesign]

28. Can Kerry lift the phrase: "SHOW ME THE MONEY!".

He needs to incorporate some type of response to that utter bullshit attack... as in.. WHERE exactly IS all that money you took from the taxpayers?? Where is that unaccounted for money? Why have you only spent 2% of the money? Where's THE MONEY GEORGE? Show me the money!!

[Redleg]

49. That, my friend, is the real story!

Why did the (mis)administration send the troops to war poorly armed and equipped?

[quaoar]

8. Bush has gone off the deep end

Maybe he's fallen off the wagon.

[bossfish]

9. In what forum did Bush "stick it" to Kerry?

And how much of the "$87 billion" was going to 'the troops' anyway?

[trof]

10. John Kerry Hates America: Here's Proof

Found this in a blog a while back:

John Kerry Hates America: Here's Proof

June 4 2004
Counterbias.com
by MAN COULTER
T R U E P A T R I O T

The liberal media has adopted the position that John Kerry is somehow just as American as George W. Bush is.

How absolutely outlandish. How incredibly liberally disgusting.

How dare the Liberal Media even attempt to put the two in the same comparison bracket when it comes to judging their patriotism? Our President, the Great President Bush, stands on a whole other level when it comes to loving the United States, freedom, democracy, soaring eagles, Christianity, patriotism, and not killing babies.

John Kerry, on the other hand, is not fond of America.

In fact, John Kerry is more French than he is American. Sadly, his Jack Chirack-like nature is the least of his worries.

Most Americans don't know Kerry's true colors yet. The RNC is doing a fabulous job of portraying Kerry in the worst light possible. The Liberal Media's light, of course. Now, I, Man Coulter, will present you with the truth about why John Kerry hates America--and people like you and your loved ones.

he is 85% genetically French. If a human being could be genetically analyzed, it is my strong belief that it would show Kerry as 85% Frenchman--and only 25% American.
he is a Democrat. As has been proven multiple times in the past, Democrats, by definition, hate America, freedom, and democracy. Kerry, being a Democrat, officially and undeniably hates these things as well.
he is a baby-killing Communist, sources say.
he wants to defeat America's greatest leader in history, and our most fabulous patriot ever, George W. Bush. How disrespectful and America-hating!
Zell Miller, a Democrat, doesn't like him! If a Democrat doesn't like Kerry, nobody does (well, maybe the Communist Party--Go Komrade Kerry!)
he has a long face, which always seems to demonstrate how down he is on America.
he wants to increase your taxes--he has voted for tax increases 35 000 times (yes, thirty-five thousand times!), according to our liberal estimates.
he is rich, so he is an elitist, and the liberal media will suck his toes no matter what he does, as he is one of them. Expect him to be treated with kid gloves, which signifies a threat to democracy.
George W. Bush doesn't love baby-killing!
George W. Bush isn't a Communist!
George W. Bush wants to fight TERRA whereas Kerry wants to fight freedom, capitalism and democracy!
Please, please, I beg of you: for the love of God and America, vote Bush! Only Bush loves America. Kerry hates it!

I've offered you the facts. Now digest them--and poop out a vote for Dubya!



Manny Coulter, who has a sister named Ann, loves America. He claims to have written for The Washington Times and the New York Post, and says he is a fair-and-balanced political analyst on Fox News . Actually, he's not a real person (but for the sake of loving America, just agree that he indeed is and be done with it).

[Malva Zebrina]

13. what is needed is an immediate rebuttal

and I mean immediate and I mean loud and I mean with vigor and bold conviction.

Where is it?

I am tired of the game being played by the Kerry campaign.

Surelyk, there is a very forceful answer to this accusation that could knock Bush to his cowardly knees.


Where is it?

[kentuck]

14. And Kerry doesn't necessarily have to be the one to say it...

Anybody scheduled to be on the evening talkshows could make the points...Hey! Maybe they will?? :)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. Somebody talk to Mary Beth Cahill.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1984677&mesg_id=1984677

[Leilani]

60. Richard Holbrooke was on Hardball tonite

to explain Kerry s votes on the war & money to the troops.

He was decimated by Matthews; he tried nuanced doublespeak, & it does not work.

[Booster]

38. You're absolutely right....

If Kerry doesn't stand up and say BULLSHIT, then it will look like it's true and he's avoiding the statement. This tactic worked very well for Bush Sr when he pulled out the Willie Horton bullshit. Kerry better stay on top of lies from Bush and expose them immediately, that is if they are lies.

[Qutzupalotl]

39. "Bush doesn't support the troops."

"He lied to them about the reasons for war, then put them in harm's way without body armor. He extended their tours of duty, then cut healthcare for veterans. He provoked the enemy while our troops were on the ground, saying, 'Bring it on.' He made the decision to ignore the Geneva convention, putting our troops at greater risk. He is unfit to be commander-in-chief. He has failed our country and our soldiers, utterly. George W. Bush should resign immediately, if he has a conscience at all."

[kentuck]

42. Excellent !

:) Perhaps a little strong for JK ?

[genius]

15. The $87 billion went to Haliburton. Kerry wins this point.

[readmylips]

16. Kerry better kick bush's ass and quick...

and getting tired of the 'flip flap' slogan which Kerry has not addressed yet. Now every body is using it. I'm tired of the bush ad saying that Kerry did not vote for the Laci Peterson ammendment. I've never head of the Laci Peterson ammendment. Kerry has not fixed this either. Kerry needs to stay up to date and attack bush back on these specific ads, even if he only says a one liner on the trail.

[Trajan]

17. Didnt Carville institute a 'Truth Squad' approach to quick response ?

Where is Kerry's 'Truth Squad' ? ...

[redqueen]

34. I called them about that yesterday

The person who answered referred me to the D-Bunker page that Mary Beth Cahill's letter is on.

:shrug:

[trof]

18. More Bush Distortions of Kerry Defense Record

Latest barrage of ads repeats misleading claims that Kerry "repeatedly opposed" mainstream weapons.

The ads -- many targeted to specific states -- repeat the claim that Kerry opposed a list of mainstream weapons including Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Apache helicopters, and also repeat the claim that he voted against body armor for frontline troops in Iraq. In fact, Kerry voted against a few large Pentagon money bills, of which Bradleys, Apaches and body armor were small parts, but not against those items specifically.


Analysis:http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

[nomaco-10]

21. bush* said.....

both Kerry and Edwards voted for the war then refused to vote for the funds that would support our troops.

The support our troops in harms way meme. It seemed very effective and got quite a response from the crowd. Not good.

[Bandit]

22. It was a damned good campaign letter and Bush* was preaching to the

choir. He won't be able to sell his bullshit to normal sane people. When Bush* gives a speech how many Independents or Democrats do you think are in the crowd? They are all off in 1st Ammendment Zones.

[kentuck]

23. He cannot simply respond to Bush's charges...

That would be permitting Bush to put him on the defensive. He needs to make points of his own. Such as: " I have tried to make this a positive campaign about the issues but my opponent is intent on personal attacks with his campaign ads. I regret that he has chosen that course. The American people deserve better. However, I would say to Mr Bush that people that talk the talk should be able to walk the walk and so far, we have not seen that. We have enough problems with the economy and the war in Iraq without resorting to such negative and silly attacks. I would suggest to Mr Bush that he cease and desist as of today with the personal stuff and start talking real issues with the American people.."

[MrBenchley]

24. So the guy who hung our troops out to dry in Iraq

and said "Bring em on" said that?

[Solly Mack]

25. My husband and I get this question a lot from other soldiers

and we tell them:

Kerry didn't vote to give Bush unlimited say over Congress appropriated funds. If people will recall, Bush didn't want to offer up a detailed plan listing where the money would go..mainly because Bush Inc refused to give an accurate accounting of the cost because they had always lowballed the figure. Bush wanted the money without debate and without fuss and without showing the need in writing.

Kerry was not the person who sent you to war without equipment:
The smart thing would have been to fully eqip the soldiers BEFORE sending them into combat. The honest thing would not to have invaded Iraq at all..

Kerry voted against Halliburton getting the money...and Halliburton got it anyway and the soldiers are still WITHOUT needed equipment.

[progressivebydesign]

26. Please include in your answer..

.. that only 2% of the money has been spent.. AND millions are totally unaccounted for!!! Where's the money?

[Solly Mack]

29. I do..sorry...guess I should have said that

[Malva Zebrina]

33. well that is all well and good but

what about those who did NOT vote for it? Like Kucinich, who has been proven to be right about the entire affair? Is he garbage? Is he a nut for voting against it? Is Barabara Lee a nut for being the only brave one whith any sense of morals and ethics a nut for voting aginst it?


These "nuts" who did vote against it, have been proven to be the real heroes in this entire affair, and it does not a bit of good to denigrate them or to try to spin the votes of the others who DID vote to give Bush, the maniac and the stupid, a blank check to do what he would and kill so many thousands of civilians in the process.

OK--they voted to do give complete authority to a maniac, who did not even win an election. They voted to hand it to him, to invade, ruthlessly, with a blind and stupid trust in an accountability from a cheat, who stole an election and who was hell bent upon destroying every treaty we have embarked upon--yup, they simply handed it to him and then made fancy speeches on the floor of the Senate, making a case they knew had to be a lie. I believe that because I watched them all, one by one, take the podium and condemn Iraq to the slaughter trying desperately to spin it, their greed and their complicity in coveting the spoils, to the people of America. Some of us were aghast--they surely did not have the information that we had. How come?

It was shameful.

[redqueen]

37. Ouch! n/t

[Solly Mack]

40. Whoa Nelly. That's called displaced anger

You don't have to like Kerry to be honest about how he voted. Kerry wasn't my first choice and he's still not someone I get excited about. But I see no reason to allow republican lies to go unchallenged.


I haven't called anyone a nut. Nor have I denigrated (Kucinich/Lee) them in any way. I can only assume you must be responding to someone else. Because you can't quote me anywhere ever calling them nuts. I challenge you to try.

You're preaching to the choir here. I never supported the invasion of Iraq. Nor for that matter the invasion of Afghanistan.

And if you read my post, you had to note the "honest thing to do...was... NOT to have invaded Iraq"

I tell soldiers the same thing...that Iraq was a lie. I also don't buy that people were fooled by Bush or that they didn't know Bush was a liar.

You're attacking the wrong person. A simple search of DU archives will bear that fact out.

[Malva Zebrina]

45. Oh very bad of me to express my opinion

I apologize profusely(NOT) for seeing things the way I do. I see it as a truth.

I have not said you called anyone a nut. I am pointing out the knee jerk defense of the Kerry vote(and the Edwards vote)
denigrates the votes of those who had some integrity and some sense of the right thing to do.



See?

you cannot defend a Kerry vote for the slaughter, without tacitly denigrating the votes of those who voted against the slaughter, like Kucinich.

One was right and the other was wrong.

you make the decision. I have seen it clearly and believe Kerry anbd Edwards were wrong to vote for it,

I also believe that the did it purposefully and indeed coveted the same thing Bush did.

The entire thing was a game as far as those playing the game. And now , both of them, are painted into a corner and cannot address this most serious issue as far as the American people are concerned,m in their campaign, as a most egregious crime on the part of Bush, because both voted FOR it. They are essentially clamped and gagged because of it.

[Solly Mack]

47. Oh spare me the bullshit. You're angry about the whole mess. I am too

you did more than simply speak your opinion..you attacked me..and wrongly I might add.


I answer soldiers questions...that's not a bad thing to do you know. I also tell them why the invasion was wrong and how I don't agree with Kerry on his IWR vote. In fact, I'm downright critical of everyone who voted for the IWR.

And I have NEVER defended Kerrys vote for the IWR ...which is the actual vote for slaughter.... and never would.

[Malva Zebrina]

51. Excuse me? I attacked you?

No, I disagreed with your claims. That is NOT an attack on you personally.

We post our views and if they are challenged by others then we can defend those views. If someone presents a different opinion without engaging in ad hominem and sticking to the issue then that is not to interpreted as attacking someone personally. OK?

You actually have been the one to instigate a personal attack. I posted a view that disagreed with your view.

[Solly Mack]

52. You did not disagree with my claims. Not once

No where did you refute them..ergo..you did not disagree with them. You might have taken exception to my answering questions of soldiers...but you never once disagreed with them or refuted them.



What you did do was use my post to convey your anger. I understand your anger. I supported Kucinich(not that that is any of your fucking business) and I am not happy with Kerry. But when a soldier ask me a question, I try and answer it honestly. They didn't ask "why did kerry vote for the IWR".... they asked "why did Kerry vote against the military?" but I tell them no one should have voted for the invasion of Iraq and I also explain how the 87 billion dollar vote actually went down. I wish all the democrats had voted against the IWR. It would have been the honest thing to have done. I praised both Kucinich and Lee.

If you feel I have instigated a personal attack upon your person...the alert button is at your disposal. Use it.

I'm not the enemy but you responded as if I were

[Malva Zebrina]

53. that is totally

toro patties

I am only presenting my opinions that I think refute what you are or were saying.l

Sorry, but I do not give you that much importance as you think you deserve.

Once more

I am saying that Kerry and that Edwards painted themselves into a corner. I am saying that by defending or refusing to address it at all, their vote to give Bush , the idiot, that most of us knew and recognized was an idiot, one tacitly denigrates those who DID NOT give their vote to the idiot to invade at will any weak country he chose, according to what he wanted in all of his stupdidity.

If you cannot understand that, well there is nothing I can do about it. If you interpret that view as a personal attack on you there is also nothing I can do about it.

Your ad hominem attacks are becoming rather boring and disconcerting.

[Solly Mack]

54. lol No, you're not. You are taking exception to what I said

but you did not once refute it.

lolol And if you didn't give importance to what I said, you would have never used my post to respond to to begin with...and that you keep responding makes it plain that you do give it importance. lolol But you keep saying otherwise if you want to...

All you did was to pick a post in which to respond to voice your anger at Kerry. You were hoping to get an easy mark. You got fooled.

You're angry. I understand your anger. I'm angry for the exact same reasons. But there are 2 different issues at hand

Kerrys vote for the IWR which I find to be wrong...and you find it wrong as well. I didn't agree with his vote because Iraq didn't attack America, because Bush was not elected and because the language was too vague and wouldn't prevent Bush from abusing the power and it didn't afford an additional checks and balance with any real power to stop Bush.

and his vote on the 87 billion dollars.....now, I could rant and rave to those soldiers who ask me question or I can answer their questions honestly. I chose to answer them honestly. Despite my unhappiness with Kerry, there is still this thing called honesty.

[Malva Zebrina]

57. Do you agree with the premise that by defending this vote of Kerry

and of
Edwards, there is tacit denigration of the votes of all those who voted against it?

Inb other words--if Kerry is to be excused for his vote, does that make the vote of Kucinich stupid and uniformed? I think not and that is my point.

You cannot defend the Kerry vote , for whatever reason,--ie dumb, not aware, duped by the CIA, or whatever, and at the same time imply then that the votes of those who were OPPOSITE of that of Kerry and others, were wrong.

And that is what has happened.

IMO, those who voted against it were the heroes.

Those who voted for it were playing a game--a dangerous and selfish political game and now, they must work around that embarrassment and that causes Bush and Cheney to have the upper hand once more on this issue and effectively shuts Kerry and Edwards up about the Iraq war.

They, as you may have noticed, do not mention a single thing about he most serious undertaking any country would embark upon, and or the moral and ethical shame in, virtually, murdering ten thousand innocent people by dropping thousand pound bombs on them in the middle of the night as they slept in their beds, and calling it "shock and awe"

It SHOULD be the primary issue for any person of conscience, of the campaign. Instead, Kerry and Edwards are gagged on this issue, because of their decision to pass the ball to Bush, let him screw it up, and run with it wherever he wants.

See?

[Solly Mack]

59. I don't agree with the vote..either of them. But I will tell the truth

about both votes. I would never denigrate those who voted for the truth.I'm sorry if I was coming across like I did. I'm not defending Kerrys votes I'm just explaining (to soldiers) how that one actually played out.

I also believe those who voted against the IWR are heroes. The IWR vote is called playing politics by some but for my family, it's life or death. My husband served in Iraq. He had to go even though he hates everything about Bush and was crushed by those who voted to give Bush that much wiggle room. No one in my home thought the invasion was a good thing. It is costing innocent life every single day.

I cry when Kucinich speaks...I cry because he touches that place in my heart that says "YES!!! God Dammit!!! This stuff does matter"

I'm sorry for arguing with you, I truly am..because I read your post all the time. I read your anger and pain. I can relate to it.

I know some people cast aspersions on both Kucinich and Lee..and all others who voted as those two did...but I'm not one of those people and I don't want anyone thinking just because I tell the soldiers how that one played out that I am implying anything negative about those who stood against this whole mess. I am not.

The other day when the democratic platform news came out that there couldn't be a statement saying Iraq was a mistake...I was crushed. Someone needs to say it was a mistake. Someone needs to say they are sorry people died for a lie. That people were maimed for a lie. That a country sits in ruin for a lie.

again, my apologies..I felt I was under attack and responded accordingly. I am so sorry.

[Merlin]

27. You're absolutely right. I expected a lot more from the John-John Duo

Bush and Cheyney have been bashing them with some pretty tough charges for a week now. And we hear not one single, solitary tough line in response.

And where the hell is Edwards? He's supposed to be the attack dog. Sorry, that's the VP candidate's role. Somebody's got to take Bush/Cheyney down a few pegs.

This is not a good sign.

[trof]

30. did ANYBODY read post 18?

jeez
it's all there at the link

[BrotherBuzz]

36. Did you see this letter?

To: Ken Mehlman
Campaign Manager
BUSH-CHENEY '04, Inc.
July 13, 2004

Dear Ken:

Over the past several months, allies of the President have questioned John Kerry's patriotism while your staff has criticized his service in Vietnam. Republicans and their allies have gone so far as to launch attacks against his wife and your campaign has run $80 million in negative ads that have been called baseless, misleading and unfair by several independent observers.

Considering that the President has failed to even come close to keeping his promise to change the tone in Washington, we find your outrage over and paparazzi-like obsession with a fund-raising event to be misplaced. The fact is that the nation has a greater interest in seeing several documents made public relating to the President's performance in office and personal veracity that the White House has steadfastly refused to release. As such, we will not consider your request until the Bush campaign and White House make public the documents/materials listed below:

>> Military records: Any copies of the President's military records that would actually prove he fulfilled the terms of his military service. For that matter, it would be comforting to the American people if the campaign or the White House could produce more than just a single person to verify that the President was in Alabama when said he was there. Many Americans find it odd that only one person out of an entire squadron can recall seeing Mr. Bush.


>> Halliburton: All correspondence between the Defense Department and the White House regarding the no-bid contracts that have gone to the Vice-President's former company. Some material has already been made public. Why not take a campaign issue off the table by making all of these materials public so the voters can see how Halliburton has benefited from Mr. Cheney serving as Vice-President?


>> The Cheney Energy Task Force: For an Administration that claims to hate lawsuits, it's ironic that the Bush White House is taking up the Courts' time to keep the fact that Ken Lay and Enron wrote its energy policy in secret behind closed doors. Please release the documents so that the country can learn what lobbyists and special interests wrote the White House energy policy.


>> Medicare Bill: Please release all White House correspondence between the pharmaceutical industry and the Administration regarding the Medicare Bill, which gave billions to some of the President's biggest donors. In addition, please provide all written materials that directed the Medicare actuary to withhold information from Congress about the actual cost of the bill.


>> Prison Abuse Documents: A few weeks ago, the White House released a selected number of documents regarding the White House's involvement in laying the legal foundation for the interrogation methods that were used in Iraq. Please release the remaining documents.


We also wanted to wish you a happy anniversary. As we are sure you and the attorneys representing the President, Vice-President and other White House officials are aware, today marks one year since Administration sources leaked the identity of a covert CIA agent to Bob Novak in an effort to retaliate against a critic of the Administration.

In light of the fact that the Administration began gutting the laws protecting the nation's forests yesterday, we hope you will accept the paper on which this letter is written as an anniversary gift. (The one year anniversary is known as the "paper anniversary.")


Sincerely,

Mary Beth Cahill
Kerry-Edwards Campaign Manager

[Hoping4Change]

31. Kerry wanted the tax cuts for the wealthiest to be cut back to pay

for the $87 billion as opposed to increasing the deficit. THe repukes didn't budge and went adead with the tax cuts. Kerry's position was that every American should be making sacrifices.

I think you need to have more faith in Kerry at least until you get the facts because the attempts to smear him are only going to increase, repukes are going to twist and distort as much as possible.

[Kahuna]

32. He's been running ads forever saying the same thing....

What makes today so alarming? :shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

43. This kind of argument is always going to happen

Untill they stop adding the most vile riders and additional pork to what should be simple, one-issue bills.

[BeFree]

44. Largest foreign aid bill EVER

And it took a Liberal Senator to vote NO? Hahaha. Remember when it was the pukes who used to complain about throwing money at problems? Kerry at the time rightly thought the money would be a huge waste of taxpayer funds.

The vote Sen. Kerry made was a conservative vote, and all the yes votes were liberal big-spending votes. Poles already flipped in DC, eh?

[spanone]

46. I'm still waiting for Edwards to Cheney Cheney!

[librechik]

48. this has been debunked many times--the Pukkes want to believe lies

they don't want the truth if it disturbs their little world.

We can't fight them (though we must plug away at it)

all we can do is plan on overwhelming them at the polls. And I have my doubts about that.

ONWARD LIBERAL SOLDIERS!

[tjwash]

50. Well, I guess we just lost the fox news crowd.

And the AM radio listeners. Damn, we were so counting on their votes too...

[snippy]

55. Bush was lying. Again. Whenever his lips are moving he either is lying

or trying to read.

FIRE THE LIAR

[Pepperbelly]

56. Wouldn't hurt to go a little Harry Truman on his ass.

Bush is a punk and a coward at heart. John Kerry should take it to him for his lies and posturing. Kerry knows what Bush is ... perhaps he should use a response to Bush's distortion that outlines how regularly and poorly Bush lies.

[pathansen]

61. He wrote a check that bounced and put our troops in danger

by underfunding, not enough protection, cutting their pay and medical payments. We could not afford this war and it was all based upon lies.
We should have been focusing more on homeland security. According to Moore's movie, our homeland is not at all secure. bush has not been training anyone, they are understaffed and not even a manual for how to respond to terrorists attacks.
So I agree with Kerry, not bush.

[Leilani]

62. Kerry seems to be avoiding the war...

Kerry/ Edwards seem to be emphasizing economic issues, & talking values. But they are not attacking on the war.

With Bush, if you do not attack, you will be on the defensive.

[leesa]

64. Easy to respond to. It was going straight into the pockets of

Bush's buddies. ALL troop benefits have been cut by Bush.

[NightOwwl]

65. Here's the background on that talking point

In short, the Bushie war room gets live feeds of untelevised speeches and wait for moments that they think can be used to show him in a negative light. This isn't news to most of us, but this article in today's Times documents how they spread the info to "journalists." It will piss you off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/14/politics/campaign/14repubs.html?hp

[coda]

66. What $87 billion? We were assured that this would only cost $1.6 billion.

Then $25 billion, then $25 to $50 billion...although there was that one administration guy that said well over $150 billion....but it turns out he wasn't a team player so he had to leave. :-)

Let's hear about the things that * owns the bragging rights on.

I want to hear them brag about:

Their drunken sailor spending.

Flak jackets being on a priority level with tents.

Keeping JAGs away from Abu Ghraib so they could builds pyramids out of naked Iraqis.

Brag about the billions spent bribing the members of the Coalition of the "Willing", especially the billions that won't be billed to the Iraq War, but will be tacked on to a trade bill.

Brag about our country's staggering loss of crediblity worldwide.

Brag about a lie-filled report about how terrorism had dropped dramatically, when it fact it had gone up dramatically.

Brag about how united the country has become in the last 2 years.

Brag about outing a CIA agent for political purposes.

Brag about half-trillion deficits, a falling dollar and 40 dollar oil and their net jobs created.

Brag about lying to congress(and threatening anyone who told the truth) about the cost of the Medicare bill to get it passed.

That shipping jobs overseas is a good thing.



Brag away you P'sOS.