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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:14 PM
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Was the CIA aware the Bush administration would "use" them and then
toss 'em to the wayside after it was over (or so they hoped). This article by Ray McGovern sheds alot of light on an already confusing subject, "who knew what and who looked the other way" to push foward an agenda that was long in the works. Where is the outrage in the CIA?
Up until now, we've just been given the same snippets, but now it's all starting to make much more sense.
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Corrupted Intelligence
Ray McGovern
July 12, 2004



McGovern and other veteran intelligence officers spent the weekend digesting the Senate Intelligence Committee report and ended up sick to their stomachs. Not only did the report confirm what they already knew—that the CIA skewed intelligence—but corruption ran much deeper, with analysts cooking up outright lies. In the wake of the report, McGovern worries media across the political spectrum aren't doing their job. They are buying without question the administration spin about the Senate report: that the White House led the nation to war because of bad intelligence, rather than ill-conceived policy.

Ray McGovern, a CIA analyst for 27 years, is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

In our various oral and written presentations on Iraq, my veteran intelligence officer colleagues and I took no delight in sharply criticizing what we perceived to be the corruption of intelligence analysis at CIA. Nothing would have pleased us more than to have been proven wrong. It turns out we did not know the half of it.

Several of us have just spent a painful weekend digesting the report of the Senate Intelligence Committee on prewar intelligence assessments on Iraq. The corruption is far deeper than we suspected. The only silver lining is that corrupter-in-chief George Tenet is now gone.

When the former CIA director departed, he left behind an agency on life support—an institution staffed by sycophant managers and thoroughly demoralized analysts, who are embarrassed at their own naiveté in believing that the passage carved into the marble at the entrance to CIA Headquarters—“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free”—held real meaning for their work.

more...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/corrupted_intelligence.php

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:33 PM
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1. This piece is really valuable -- I'm afraid some of us had false hope --
It sounds as if the CIA, which some of us thought an innocent scapegoat in the justification of the Iraq War, was corrupted and played along. We still don't know why they let themselves be used, whether willingly, or under threat. McGovern indicates that there are honorable professionals still at the agency. My hopes that they would/could somehow help bring Bush down are somewhat diminished.

Tenet, in my mind, was a man of mystery; I had hope that he would eventually come forward with truth damaging to the Bush cabal. McGovern, however, seems to have little respect for him, which diminishes my hopes that he will come out of all this a hero.

This is a reality check, I think -- thanks for posting.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:56 PM
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2. What a bunch of treasonus bastards in CIA
They let the country down- bigtime. Sure there are a few good patriots left in the CIA but from where I sit it looks like they are all working for someone other than the citizens of the US.

What a bunch of no-good CIA agents we have scarfing up paychecks and misusing their offices. Thank God for the whistleblowers like Edmonds and others who are fighting for the truth and for the citizens.

They let 9/11 happen, the let the pres. lie to us over and over again.... no telling what will happen next. This country IS in real danger with the *intelligence agecies* we employ. Real danger.

Beside that..... if boosh had let the UN WMD inspectors do their job in Iraq, all the intelligence about WMD we ever needed (and now know) would have ended the boosh invasion before it ever started. Aargh.
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:24 PM
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3. If there are any patriots or competent people left

in any federal agency, they are hiding it well and playing the "go along to get along" game to avoid being fired, or at least demoted and transferred to Iraq.

The problem is not with the CIA or with intelligence agencies, the problem is with our totally corrupted civil service system, which does not work as intended any more.

Originally, people were supposed to take tests to compete for jobs, and then be evaluated on the basis of their work once hired. The truth is that for many years now, political appointees have been ordering their underlings to fiddle with the test scores so that the people hired are those who are married or related to, go to the same church, or are politically sympathetic to the wingnuts now controlling the civil service system. They know how to fire people without just cause, and then spend millions of taxpayer dollars defending their illegal actions in federal court, making cases drag on until the plaintiffs are too worn down to pursue it further, or simply die.

There used to be something called the Government Accountability Project that kept track of this stuff, but there is simply too much corruption in every federal agency for anyone to keep up.

People who are tied into family and mortgage situations in a bad economy have a choice between giving the boss what he wants, or losing everything. The true patriots were the losers, so please spare some change for the next homeless person you see--it might be a disgruntled former employee.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:42 PM
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4. You are correct Senior citizen
The whole damned bunch of DC'ers are corrupt and are stealing from the citizens as much as they can without a whiff of regret.

It's just that we rely so heavily upon agencies like the CIA. And damned if they ain't failed us time and again.

Maybe Kerry can straighten some of 'em out. Reagan promised to...what a joke he was. Clinton got a little done, but the boosh boys have screwed us over, royally.

Yeah, we could lay it all at the sheeple's hooves, and we wouldn't be too far mistaken, but damn, you'd think we'd have at least a few patriots left in service to the country.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:14 PM
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5. I'm confused. When an agency names their headquarters after
your "Poppy", are they really being screwed by you, or are they taking the fall for you?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:32 PM
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6. Slam dunk
Tenet gave BushCo what they wanted then the dumped him.

My suspicion is that when Tenet was ordered to leave Chalabi alone and refused Shrub fired him on the spot. Tenet can't retaliate because the Right Wing in Congress could charge him with lying under oath and violations of the Geneva Convention which is also a violation of The Constitution.

Pavit, Deputy CIA was also fired because he was V. Plame's boss. When her husband Mr. Wilson went public with BushCo false claims of Niger yellow cake situation, BusCo was furious. Two goons in Cheney's office on the behest of Cheney or Rove outed V. Plame to at least 6 news reporters and only one, Novak printed her status.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:47 PM
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7. Tenat's "resignation" makes more sense now
but after reading, " Against All Enemies," by Clarke, I got the feeling Tenant was really one of the "good guys." Since he said Iraq was a "slam dunk" in Bob Woodward's book, it leaves the open question, "just who was he really loyal to."

I hope the lid blows soon off this corrupt bunch. All of 'em. They don't need to be on the payroll taking our money if they are gonna screw us over.
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zmdem Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:57 PM
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8. CIA has always been a whipping boy
The agency has often been blamed for political failures. Being the DCI is pretty much a damned if you/damned if you don't job. The Agency is involved in things we would not tolerate domestically, but required by the real world of international politics. Sometimes our republican ideals clash with our national security and the CIA often gets lambasted from both sides.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 01:09 AM
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11. So that makes it alright to lie to the American
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 01:14 AM by devrc243
people, not to mention all the sons, daughters, husbands, daddys, mothers, wives who have been killed in this illegal war. Somebody's ass should be on the chopping block. Looks like all along they knew George Tenant would be the "go-to" guy.

If there is even one agent with a shred of moral decency then they should come foward with what they know. Not only will it clear their conscience, but help (not fix) instill some faith in those who now doubt it's ability to work for the good of the American people.

It makes me sick to think that corruption runs so deep in the FBI and CIA.(per this article) If they can't stand on their oath to protect us then how can they look at themselves in the mirror daily.

I've always had alot of respect for our government agencies that work for the good of the American people and it saddens me when we can't even trust our own. I know there's bad apples in every group, but it's the job of the good ones left to make sure the truth is known.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 12:11 AM
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9. After watching all the horrible crap the CIA has done over the years
and that's some of the most horrible crap imaginable, done in our names--it has been so odd to hope for some 'patriots' in The Company to call Bushco. on their shit.

But I do hope.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 01:04 AM
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10. Kick.
:kick:
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