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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:59 PM
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Marine featured on poster is killed
Since this poor fellow was killed in a humvee accident while in Iraq, will he be counted as a war casualty according to the way our DOD keeps the stats?

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Marine featured on poster is killed

KEVIN MANNING/P-DStaff Sgt. Trevor Spink of Farmington, Mo., was on his third tour of duty in Iraq when he was killed Saturday in a Humvee accident. His half brother Lucas Kozloski said the family was notified Sunday morning by two Marine Corps officers who came to their door.

http://www.stltoday.com/

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:15 PM
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1. Bummer.
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:18 PM by TacticalPeak


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:21 PM
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5. Does he fall in the DOD's figures relative to deaths
associated with the "war" or will his death not be counted as it was a humvee accident? Does anyone know?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:17 AM
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16. HOW DARE YOU!
I got ripped a new one last week for even suggesting that we don't properly count the military dead, right here on DU. Some of the rudest comments directed at me, merely for suggesting such a thing, despite the fact that I even offered the newspaper sources for my claim. I guess DUers are in a more benevolent mood for this thread.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:15 PM
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2. ,,
:cry:
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:17 PM
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3. Bring 'em on.
There's a lot more where he came from.

-Gorge W Bush.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:19 PM
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4. What are these people dying for?
This makes me so angry.

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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 01:06 AM
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11. jam more cash in designer halliburton jean pockets...
for the Chosen Few.

I'm almost past angry, tho. Time to put emotions aside and look at the beast straight on. survival.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:14 AM
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15. Dying for nothing.
They were left in Iraq, to die for nothing.
In the meantime, Bush and his little friends are using your tax monies to kill them. Using your tax monies to run around to 5000 a plate dinners and lie. Using your tax monies to murder our soldiers who are in a war based on lie after lie after lie.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:21 PM
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6. What is it with all the "humvee accidents?" Does the army not teach them
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:43 PM by Hardhead
How to drive? It's insane how many people are described as dying in "humvee accidents." What the fuck exactly is a "humvee accident?" It sounds like bullshit from the get-go.

This sounds like an unimaginative update of the tired old bit about people who died "falling out of jeeps" in wars past. It's a blanket phrase used to describe any number of potentially embarrassing deaths.

Edit: I had to make another thread about all that.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:28 PM
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7. sounds like they got shot at, Humvee rolled, thus a (whitewashed) accident
I think this is how they justify non-combat deaths.

Anyone notice how downplayed the deaths are becoming???
"Four marines were killed in Iraq today - ho hum!"

Our media sucks. Our gov't sucks. They are bastards, all.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:37 PM
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8. this isn't a *real* death
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:39 PM by jukes
for DOD stats. illness, injury, accidental, bar fight: don't exist. combat deaths are only those directly connected to hostile action: shot, bayoneted, shrapnel, blowed up, burnt up, trenching tool or sharp stick only. i'm pretty sure they don't count friendly fire or self-inflicted, either.

there are many more lives ended or totally destroyed than they admit to.

EDIT: hmmm....wonder how they list fragged officers? :evilgrin:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:41 PM
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9. I didn't think this was a "war" death - are they covering up
deaths now - another thread referenced an airman killed in a vehicle accident in Iraq.

Keep the numbers low, just say they drowned in the bath tub or something....

:cry:
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greblc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:52 PM
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10. SEMPER FI
"We have been told that, like a chain,we are as weak as the weakest link. This is but half the truth, for we are also as strong as the strongest link. To measure a life by its smallest deed is to reckon the power of the ocean by the frailty of it's foam."

I don't know why so many are wounded and dying for this war.

It's terribly sad.

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 01:56 AM
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12. Very sad.. Looked like a nice kid.
.. and sad to hear people talk about how we're "helping" people in Iraq, and how Bush stood up and did something over there. How sad to be so delusional about that war... The aunt's comment that she "didn't know what would happen if we weren't there". Well, I can tell you what would have happened. Her nephew would still be alive, as would the other 1,000 soldiers, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. And the UN would have been able to work with Saddam to secure any threat, if there was one, to America. But sadly, young men and women will still go off to fight in Iraq, cheered on by patriotic, yet misinformed and often uneducated family and friends.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:11 AM
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14. Yes it is sad, we caused the destruction and devastion and now
we pretend to be the saviors, helping them recover from our bombs and attacks. What a glorious invading country we are! (not!)

Think of the evil child that trips the boy on crutches only to rush to help him up to receive the praise of the elders. How kind it is to help someone that you harmed.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:23 AM
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13. Weird
I went through Farmington about 6 times a couple weeks going to S-F Scout Ranch.

Seems odd to read about someone from there dying.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:50 AM
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17. "It's not the same as when it's one of your own."
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 08:52 AM by Straight Shooter
Spink, 36, a Marine staff sergeant, who grew up in nearby Farmington, Mo., about 70 miles south of St. Louis, died Saturday in a Humvee accident, a casualty in the war in Iraq.

"When it hits one of your home boys, it really hits you," said Jerry Turk, the post's quartermaster. "You see it on the news and everything, but it's not the same as when it's one of your own."


And that just about sums it up in America: War is a rah-rah video game until the dead soldier becomes real because he or she is from your hometown.

:mad:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:01 AM
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18. You are so right --
Most people have to wait to be victims before they can have compassion for and empathic to other victims. So said, but that is our society.
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