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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:10 PM
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Why Bush will lose in November
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:29 PM by Mortos
I have been thinking about this a lot lately. What has changed since the last election. How will the majority of people vote and why? I have come to the conclusion that Bush will lose in November and here is why: The 2000 elections were not the most exciting in recent memory; no incumbent, two unexciting candidates, a bored electorate, good economy, a generally peaceful world. The people of this country were lulled into apathy. The end result- 48% to Gore, 48% to Bush and 4% to all other candidates.

The bases did what bases do and each diligently supported their respective candidates. The swing voters swayed to and fro and finally split about equally between Bush and Gore. 100 million people didn't even bother to show up at the polls. Minority voters were wooed and soccer moms were courted but no one really inspired the fire or political adrenalin of past elections.

What has changed since then? We are caught in an unending war on terror, deficit spending has exploded, we have an incumbent who has split the country apart politically, racially, sexually, religiously and culturally. 850+ U.S. troops have been killed and over 5000 wounded in a conflict that has been proven time and time again to have been waged on false pretenses. America's standing in the world community has never been lower. The economy does appear to be on the upswing but it is not reflected in job growth and a net loss of jobs appears to be likely for the first time in any administration since the great depression. Gas prices, drug prices, college tuitions, health care costs, and insurance are all rapidly out pacing inflation washing away the small refund the majority of Americans received.

The Democratic base is as motivated and fired up as I have ever seen. John Kerry is raking in never before seen sums of campaign contributions (most from first time individual donors). Bush's base is still strong and he is, likewise, raking in the dough. Money is about a wash in this contest. Hundreds of millions will be spent making this the costliest election in the history of mankind.

For the first time, Liberals (or Progressives if you prefer) are receiving a small amount of representation on the radio, in books and (thank you Michael Moore) on the big screen. The incredible success of most of these ventures proves there is an engaged audience eager for the message. Yes, they are preaching to the choir but what a big loud enthusiastic choir it has turned out to be.

The third party as represented by Ralph Nader (Independent Candidate) and to a smaller extent Michael Badnarik (Libertarian Candidate) is polling horribly and is having trouble raising anywhere near the money the two big parties are raking in. Most of the supporters of third parties saw in the 2000 election the results of supporting an unelectable candidate. Vote your conscience and you may get the greater of two evils, making the lesser seem much preferable. Most main third party voters more closely relate to the Democratic Party platforms than the Republican (especially this one). The two main third party candidates have expressed their support for Kerry over Bush. This election will result in the smallest support for third party candidates in the last 5 elections and I wouldn't be surprised if some third party candidates chucked their support to Kerry at the last minute. Kerry gains disenfranchised third party voters, Bush does not.

Bush has lost the confidence of a few within his own party. The rising deficits, his immigration proposal, unchecked government spending, the Patriot act and other real or perceived sleights have done irreparable damage to the true conservatives in the Republican party. I have heard anecdotal stories and testimonials from many who, although they would never vote for a liberal Democrat, can not bring themselves to vote for a Republican who has betrayed their core beliefs. They would rather stay home or leave that part of the ballot blank. There is no counter equivalent loss in support for Kerry.

The homophobic red herring of the anti-gay amendment to the Constitution has sheared away the support of Bush within the gay community. Reportedly Bush had a million gay supporters in the last election. Kerry will undoubtedly pick up most of that segment of the voting public and probably many more new voters with whom this is a core issue. Bush keeps his religious base but loses much more.

Scandal upon scandal are reaching their conclusions or seeing the first light of day after this administration has stonewalled and thwarted the investigative process. The Plame outing, secret energy meetings, inter-administration memos, Halliburton overcharges, Medigate, violation of civil rights, torture. The American public and, more importantly, the American media are finally holding this administration to account (not to the level of extramarital sex but hey it's a start). Many more damaging and possibly devastating revelations will come out between now and November in spite of best efforts of the Republican controlled Congress. To even some of the most stubborn Bush supporters this much smoke indicates a fire. Bush loses support. Kerry either gains or stays even.

From the stories of disenfranchised African-American voters in Florida to Bush's no-show and outright snub of the NAACP, African-American support for this President, though never high, has eroded to an almost non-existent level. There is also active voter registration and recruitment by Democratically supported organizations to motivate and activate this under-represented segment of America. Bush loses whatever small amount of support he had within this community and Kerry keeps the traditional support and possibly gains new voters.

The military has been pushed to the breaking point by a poorly planned and unnecessary Iraq war. The families and the soldiers who have served have been lied to repeatedly by the defense department about the amount of time they would spend on combat deployments. The morale of the military is sinking rapidly. Stop loss orders and activation of the Individual Ready Reserve have further eroded the confidence and support of the military for Bush. The Non-Commissioned Officer Corps is in danger of being destroyed by those career NCO's who are choosing to retire or just leave the military rather than be overused and abused. While he will still have support withing the military community (which has traditionally been more conservative)there will be a backlash from tens of thousands of service men and women and their family members who have been seriously hurt by the direct actions of President Bush and his Neo-Con administration. Bush loses a significant amount of support from the military. Kerry receives the protest vote or stays even.

In conclusion, Bush has acted like he has a mandate from the people when over 50% did not support him to begin with. He has completely alienated Democrats, Moderates, members of his own party and base, homosexuals, African-Americans, the military, third party voters and the all important swing voters. Kerry gains the support of most of the above groups and at the very worst does not get the votes that Bush loses.

Bush is going to lose this election, not because of anything Kerry has done or will do, but because of all of the damage and conflict, pain and betrayal Bush has caused during his term. When it comes right down to it the election is not Kerry versus Bush, it is Bush versus himself and in that contest Bush loses either way.
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:12 PM
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1. This is a repost
of something I wrote this morning and put in the editorials forum. It is also featured on the home page. Someone suggested I repost it in this forum because it is more active. I hope you enjoy it.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:21 PM
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5. Thank You
Great minds and all of that. I agree with each point.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:16 PM
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2. I hope you're right but we cannot depend on it -
we need to keep working hard until election day.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:20 PM
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3. the last one wasn't real, so why torture yourselves....
the next one ain't gonna happen as well.

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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:21 PM
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4. I Needed that, Thanks, but remember who and what we are dealing with
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:27 PM by Prodemsouth
people so determined to hold on to power that they are trying to justify canceling elections. If they have the gall balls to do that we have got a big monster to destroy. I hope your assessment is correct. If these were normal times, any arguement with your outlook would be considered absurd. However these are not normal times and we are not dealing with normal people.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:25 PM
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6. All they gotta do is keep it close

and then BBV and other shenanigans will allow them to steal it for
a second time in a row.

If the electoral polling numbers are correct, it will be very
close, and that's all they need.

We have yet to see the "October surprise" and the repug
convention bounce. Plus most of the main stream media is still
towing the talking points line. F9/11 and the 100 M it's going
to do, the selection of Edwards, the Dem convention bounce are all
going to fade by late August.

There is still a lot of work to do. And it will be close. We need
a 10 point margin in almost every state the Kerry wins (which needs
to total more than the magic 270 important votes).

5 points will allow for BBV theft.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:42 PM
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12. I don't buy into the spin
that the election will be close. That just makes it more likely they'll try to rig it again. I don't see chimpy holding onto any voters except the hard core neocons/konservative fundies. And a significant number of them may stay home.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:53 PM
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13. So that means that EVERY poll taken in the battleground

states is tilted? I buy into the fact that Fox and MSGOP and
maybe even CNN would skew the numbers, but every poll? There are
lots of folks that think * is doing a "good job" on terra and a
very high percentage think that "Saddam and Bin Laden were in
cahoots" and "they hate us for our freedoms" and "Kerry is just
too far left" and all of the other repug attack machine lies...
told over and over again. Even if F9/11 does $200M domestic, and
no one sees it twice, that's only 25 million voters. And the true
number is more like 6 or 8 million viewers. That's not enough.

I hope you are right. I hope Kerry/Edwards win in a landslide, and
take the Senate and the House back too. But I'm not going to hold
my breath. We still need to work really hard, convince the base
to vote, to ignore Nader (never mind the issues around him) and
try to convince fence sitters and the mildly conservative that
Bush is too far right and lies and is corrupt and whatever else it
takes to either cause them to stay home or vote Kerry.

And donate more money.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:25 PM
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7. What you are saying makes a lot of sense
What bothers me is when I keep hearing "Bush and Kerry are neck and neck". Are Americans that stupid to continue to vote for Bush?
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:27 PM
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8. I f you listen to conservative talk radio
you will soon find out there is an endless supply of stupid Americans and many of them are politically fired up. But I still believe in a place called Hope.
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Crazy8s Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:34 PM
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9. Great Post!
Wonderfully thought out and well written. You are a masterful writer, Mortos! So right--Bush* has behaved as if he had a 'mandate' from the people, when in reality he usurped the election. The disenfranchised have not forgotten, and with his assaults on our constitutional rights becoming ever more obvious, his illegal war failing, and his many dirty deeds coming to light, many who made the mistake of voting for him (or a third party) are beginning to turn away. The joy and optimism of the Kerry/Edwards ticket can't help but attract those disillusioned voters!
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:34 PM
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10. Kick
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:37 PM
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11. Nice analysis,
:toast:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:56 PM
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14. nice job, mortos ... very comprehensive ...
i might have added a few more points to the analysis ...

1. there is a real possibility that if bush gets another 4 years, we could be looking at a re-instatement of the draft ... i think the American people are sick of bush's military adventures ...

2. here's the main reason i think bush will lose: i think he's increasingly seen as someone who hasn't told the truth to the American people ...

3. the close ties republicans have had with large, corrupt corporations like Enron, Halliburton, etc ... free market capitalism is one thing; cheating is something else again ...

the one area your analysis didn't explore was the electoral vote ... all of the points you raised are extremely well thought through ... but the electoral vote is still close enough to be scary ...
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:03 PM
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15. You Forgot One Thing...
bush didn't win... he cheated. I think "Stupid White Men" did a great job of explaining this.

I do agree with your views and reasoning though... but I don't trust this administration at all... they repulse every fiber in my body.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:08 AM
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16. Hi Jokinomx!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:20 AM
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17. Pheeew ! ....What you said Mortos !
Lots of input there !....kudos
What's really good & interesting is that this election may even get a nod from the "non-voter" crowd...
If it all goes down in flames (dear God , not literally) and Shrubby wins...well it's been a hellava ride !
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:29 AM
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18. Not even 40% of the people....
Assuming Bush got 48% of the vote in 2000 remeber that is 48% of the people who voted. Assuming that those who did not vote didn;t support any candidate we can guess that Bush's "mandate" was really around 17% of the actual overal voting populice.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:30 AM
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19. Because he is a "Natural Born Loser"!
Payback!
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:37 AM
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20. You're wrong about one thing.
"Bush's base is still strong ..."

Conservatives are livid with him for things like amnesty for illegals (I call it that because he insists it isn't) and failure to veto even one spending bill. He bloated the debt and his tax cuts weren't big enough for them.

I predict that the Libertarian Party will get more votes than they ever have, and it will cost Bush the election. Thank God.
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