Should Gay Republicans Be Outed?

[Yavin4]

I'm not Gay, so I don't fully understand the issue. However, I do believe that all Gay Republicans should be outed. So, what do you think?

[Justitia]

1. Santorum should be, at a minimum -eom

[foreigncorrespondent]

18. Oh my!

Does this mean we are going to begin seeing threads saying Santorum is gay now?

[Cronus Protagonist]

19. You don't think straight men think about gay people that much do you?

The only people obsessed with gay people are gay people. Everyone else rarely gives them a thought.

Choose Kerry Lose Bush - FUCK BUSH - Drop Bush Not Bombs!
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Misunderestimator]

29. Huh? Rarely gives them a thought? Then why would such a high

percentage of Americans be against gay marriage? Are you saying that we're not just 10% but more like 40-50%? Cool. /sarcasm

[Justitia]

21. Would it shock you to learn he was a self-loathing gay man?

Not me.

His homophobic obsessions are huge red flags in my book.

I think Santorum is one seriously repressed, darkly fucked up guy.

Ditto on Starr, as another poster mentioned, but I think he is a quirky bird of another flock.

[merh]

25. There is a local talking head t.v. *journalist* that

had a professor of psychiatry on his weekly talk program not too long ago. The talking head told the professor that he believed that being gay was a choice made by people and if they made the choice they should learn to live with it.

The professor was shocked, you could see the disbelief in his face - when he finally responded he told mr. t.v. that he was mistaken and that gays do not chose to be hated, harassed, socially outcasted and their rights violated.

The t.v. guy just continued to say it was a choice -- I know that that professor wanted to ask him if that was the choice he made and had he been harboring the hate for gays all of these years because of his own fears and choice. The professor didn't ask him, but he did tell the t.v. jerk that he once considered him intelligent, but his opinion had changed.

(I tried to call in, but the lines were busy - they probably would not have taken my call anyway.)

[Justitia]

30. I cannot believe they would let that idiot on TV...

...wait, yes I can, sadly.

My retort to that ridiculous "choice" suggestion is this:

"So, people can choose their sexuality huh?"
"So, that means that YOU have chosen to be hetero then?"
"So, you could really go either way, man or woman, but for now, you've picked "X"?"

"Wow, imagine your flexibility, I've only been a boy-chasing hussy since childhood.
I've never really had to make a conscious choice about who trips my trigger."

Although they are normally cretins, they usually get it.

[merh]

32. Like I said, I tried to call in. This jerk thinks he is so intelligent

and above everyone. He is revolting, but the folks here adore him.

(what ever color state is considered in the bag for * is my state :cry:)

[Skip Intro]

2. I think hypocrites should be outed

especially when they're trying to limit my freedom, my choices, my rights

[merh]

3. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones! (n/t)

[ashling]

4. I don't know about doing it just because they are Republican,

but certainly all hypocrites should be outed ... so, yeah.

[movonne]

5. I'm not sure about this...of course it would be nice just to show how

hypercritical they are. But then is it really any body's business.

[7th_Sephiroth]

6. yes

see how well they feel about the GOP when thier just another "faggot (no offense, used as a term to express the GOP mindset)" not worthy to be saved by Jesus W. Christ and will burn in hell while they piss on them

[billbuckhead]

11. Absolutely and now would be a good time to do it.

The whoring by RepuKKKEs about gay marriage is more than enough reason.

[Mad As Hell]

7. Yes.

In this case, especially Santorum.

[kayell]

8. Think about it this way

Do you have some personal kink you wouldn't like your mom to see on the front page of the morning papers?

I can understand outing people who have been directly damaging to the cause of gay-rights - ie. if Santorum is gay, I would approve of outing him.

Otherwise, I believe that people should be allowed to keep their private life private if they wish.

On the other hand, I do think that coming out is a good (even necessary) thing for people to do, both to increase visibility and acceptance of gays, and for self-respect.

[Domitan]

Should this marriage amendment be defeated

I don't think any will be outed.

[bluestateguy]

9. If they oppose gay rights, then yes

Oh, and I have my suspicions about Ken Starr too.

[Baltimoreboy]

41. The theory many subscribe to seems to be

If they oppose gay rights, they must be self hating gays.

When in reality, many of them oppose homosexuality because of religious or moral convictions. Failure to understand your enemy is a sign of future catastrophe.

[olddem43]

10. only if they're bigots -

the old time isolationist, anti-tax Republicans are tolerable and can be left alone.

[Manix]

12. ....for me only if they are publicly taking anti-gay positions.

..this is more of an attempt to expose hypocrites than gays.

[louis c]

13. I don't believe in outing gays....

However, I'm all for outing hypocrites.

[louis c]

14. *

[louis c]

15. *

[foreigncorrespondent]

16. NOPE!

Should all gay people the world over be outed?

If you want all gay republicans outed, then we have to agree to out all gay democrats as well.

Things like this can and will come back to bite the left in the bum.

Coming out is a very big thing. It can be hard. You do fear your family will turn on you. You do fear you will lose friends. And it is all because of how society sees us that some will choose to remain in the closet.

If being gay wasn't such a big negative deal to a lot of straight folk, then we wouldn't have the desire to remain in the closet.

I'm sorry, but outing people is just wrong. It also has a negative impact on the LGBT community. Take Rosie ODonnells outing as an example. A lot of queer people I know (and believe me I know plenty), have lost a great dealof respect for her, because she didn't come out on her own. Do you want the same thing to happen to gay democrats? Or would you much prefer to keep the gay vote safe with in the democratic party?

You begin outing people, you begin alienating the gay people with in the party, then all you manage to do is drive people away.

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Can't agree with you.

The only thing that makes being gay different from any other minority (other than the fact that most of us come from parents of a different sexual orientation) is the fact that we can pass.

It doesn't mean we should allow it if someone abuses us in that passing.

[Cornus]

17. No one should be outed

But....if their hypocrisy is showing, then IMHO they deserve to be outed. And I hope that those who have the info will OUT them.

[goclark]

22. Hypocrisy should be challenged

I get so angry when I see these congress members speaking as if they are saints! They are not saints. If 50 % of the people that get married, get divorced, something is wrong with marriage.

Those that speak the loudest about their Perfect Marriages should know that we know 1/2 of them are lying.

I loved it when they outed Newt and that other one from the Impeachment Case. We almost lost a wonderful President(Clinton) because of those so called saints. When their glass houses are showing they should not throw stones.

[union_maid]

23. Not ALL gay Republicans

If there's solid evidence that a Republican who is pushing an anti-gay agenda or using the "values" euphemism for pushing conservative social values or religion on others then I say they're asking to be outed. If they're minding their own business, then they should be left alone in their dark closets.

[mondo joe]

24. Out Every Last One of Them

There is nothing sacred about sexual orientation. We'd expect news of a marriage, divorce, abortion, affair, membership in a group, connection to a contributor and so on.

I'll say it again: THERE IS NOTHING SACRED ABOUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

[Tellurian]

26. I agree, more to expose their hypocrisy than their sexual orientation..

They are public figures who's vote affect our lives and livelihoods..

Out them All!

[IronLionZion]

27. Rick Perry, George W. Bush, and Rick Santorum first

and watch how fast their base turns on them.

[Justitia]

34. nah, I think Bush is asexual

He doesn't have enough sexuality to be homo OR hetero.

Santorum - why is the man this obsessively fixated? Deep, dark demons must bedevil Rick.

And Rick Goodhair Perry? Like a protestor's sign I saw at the TX Gov's mansion:

"It's OK to be gay, Guv!" :evilgrin:

[Joanne98]

28. Yes

I know it's a big deal for the gay community but this is an emergency. The RW is pulling a coup. The faithful have taken over the GOP and they want to put all gays to death. If outing helps save us from this evil then DO IT.

[bleowheels]

31. Without a doubt!

Wouldn't it be a hoot if all the major networks had a primetime special (hosted by Diane Sawyer or Barbara Walters-of course) and outed all of the closet gay conservatives.

[jumptheshadow]

33. Private people should not be outed

However gay politicians who make political hay with hypocritical statements and congressional treachery should have their personal lives, with pictures, splashed all over every tabloid in the supermarket.

[Brian Morans]

35. Outrage - a gay activist group in UK

Went around doing that to British Cons in the 90's. Of course there's a lot of material to work with in the old boy network there. It worked. I think it is even more necessary here. These people justify all of their hatred of others on their supposedly superior morality. That must be exposed for the lie it is. I wish there was some way we could get prostitutes to out them at the GOP convention; apparently it's the biggest event of the year in any callgirl's calendar.

[mitchum]

36. Yes

[Kenneth ken]

37. as asked? no

Any politician, political intern, or other gay person actively trying in whatever capacity to enact and/or extend discrimination against gays should be outed.

That is different from private citizens who are gay and for whatever reason are registered and vote Republican, even though it assists in continuing their being discriminated against. I would call this passive self-discrimination-enforcement. It might be stupid, but it doesn't rise to the level of hypocrisy of the first case.

[shraby]

39. Let's put it this way.....

If you knew a KKK person, should you tell people that he is a KKK member? They are hate mongers and injure people mentally and physically. Not much difference from what Republicans are doing to a group of citizens right now. They aren't personally injuring gays physically but are injuring them mentally and setting the tone for gays to be physically injured by the people who hate gays.

[Kenneth ken]

44. skipped past the subject didn't you?

if you read my response, the subject line said "as asked"
The question asked was should Gay Republicans be outed.

You ask a completely different question, which in my opinion is not related to the original. I'm not interested in highkacking the original thread, so I will decline to comment on the KKK.

Feel free to start a thread of your onw on that subject if you desire. I may reply there.

[walldude]

38. If they are making anti-gay statements or laws

yet gay themselves then it's open season on hypocrites and they should be outed. Other than that it's a gay persons business whether they want to be "out" or not.

As far as gay being a choice thats a load of shit. I'll give you two reasons. The first is I have a 10 year old son who I'm sure is gay. Has been since he was born. Poor little guy is pretty confused at times but we are doing out best to make a home where he can be comfortable being himself. The second is if being gay was a choice why would anyone choose it? Lets see I can be heterosexual and left alone or I can be gay and stalked, made fun of, called names, blamed for societys downfall, and picked on and beaten by the most un-enlightened people on the planet. Hmmm... sounds great, sign me up...

[DemBones DemBones]

40. People who say one thing and do another should be outed.

Newt Gingrich's adultery and Bob Barr's adultery should have been page one in every newspaper and the top story on tv news. Those bozos were fooling around on their wives (with secretaries or aides who eventually became their NEXT wives) while they were pontificating about Bill Clinton's immorality.

Hypocrisy should be the criterion for revealing people's secret lives.

[gator_in_Ontario]

42. "Outing" is so

delicate. Don't even go there

[theriverburns]

43. All Republicans should be outed.

No?

[TriMetFan]

45. Out them all.

If they are willing to make laws that can hurt my family, then I say out every single one of them. Like I had said in another post: My kids are more important then some Political Gay Republicans private life. Out every single one.
:mad: as hell in Portland Or.

[zmdem]

46. No, privacy should not be an isssue of party

Democrat, Republican or otherwise.

Sexual matters are private and should remain so, barring rape, pedophilia, etc. What adults do in the privacy of their homes should remain private, as long as laws are not violated.

[roguevalley]

47. Consider this: the issue is marriage. Mostly. :) The maritial affairs and

status as well as orientation of ALL members of congress should be published, like the right wing do with their little church check lists of conservative questions. It should be sent everywhere.

The issue at hand is the 'preservation' of marriage and we are assuming that they, because they are manufacturing a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment -something so severe that it trumps all law for all time- then their bonifides should be checked out and put out for people to know. It would help people either agree or not, since there will then be put out into the states as a referendum so to speak, for a 2/3 majority of states ratifying it.

How can we buy a car if we can't trust or know the skill/qualifications of the mechanics?

Divorces, shack ups, affairs, orientation, they are all fair game because they are seeking to impose on WE THE PEOPLE an amendment that will cause grief from sea to sea. What are their qualifications to do this and why should we trust them? If they want hetero marriage the only kind allowed, then they better be married happily to WIFE NUMBER ONE and have no divorces, shack ups, affairs or hidden kinks that will show their EXPERTISE to impose such a moral judgment on the country to be faulty or hypocritical.

Outing the f**kers that are hiding something is justice, it isn't anything less.

[TriMetFan]

48. I Agree with you 100%.

[zmdem]

49. Forget about the amendment

Ain't gonna happen. The Republicans in the senate can't even get 67 votes to get it off the ground.

Even politocos have some right to privacy, Republican or Democrat.

[mondo joe]

54. Why do you think being gay is just a sexual matter?

I'm gay even when I don't have sex - which is most ofthe time.

By deeming it just a "bedroom matter" you fall into the same thinking as the conservatives who say it shouldn't be discussed AT ALL.

[necso]

50. My initial reaction was yes,

out all the hypocrites (... there was a similar post some days ago).

But now I don't know. I don't think that most gay people are gay as a matter of choice. So this is different in some fundamental way from standard hypocrisy -- choosing to talk one way and choosing to act another.

Moreover, and considering the absolutely unconscionable way society has treated gay people in the past, and, indeed, continues to do so in many circumstances, I can understand why someone might wish to be discrete about it. I have seen more than one DU member agonizing over coming out --- a coming out that would have destroyed their lives --- and that I could not recommend.

So as ready as I am to fight the "neos" with any weapon at hand, maybe we ought to give this one a pass. It irks me to say so, but perhaps in this instance a little compassion and understanding should supersede our ardor for the good fight.

This does not apply, of course, to any other of the "neos".

[justjones]

51. Should Strom Thurmond have been outed as fathering a black child?

Hell, yes. Would have shown him for the hypocrit he was....I think the same goes for those hypocritical gays who support homophobic policies. Of course, JMHO.

[zmdem]

52. Not as simple as you make it out

His daughter only "outed" him after his death. Apparently she had a different opinion than you do.

In matters of sex, hypocrisy is the norm for most of us. In my America privacy is also the norm.

[mondo joe]

53. His daughter benefitted from it being closeted

This isn't a family issue - it's a matter of a free press and politics.

Strom should have been outted, and so should any gay political figure who opposes gay rights.