WTF? Cliff May says Joe Wilson's been lying... Victor Camber agrees!?

[Flubadubya]

Just on CNN with Andersen Cooper. Cliff May says that Wilson has been lying about the Niger incident and he is discredited. Camber just said something like, "Well, he's not the only one who's been lying (referring to * of course). But he did not refute May.

Conclusion: Joe Wilson's story is unravelling.

SAY IT ISN'T SO, JOE! :cry:

[AngryAmish]

1. No way

This is just a typical RW CNN smear. Joe Wilson will be remembered as the greatest American diplomat ever, especially if he helps to bring down Bush.

[Ruffhowse]

2. I am confused-in what way has he supposedly been lying?

Who's Cliff May and why should we believe him?

[papau]

14. Cliff May quoted a Wash Post story that was "corrected" yesterday

But why should Cliff May change his story.

And Even Fox notes that letters sent by Wilson's wife just noted that Wilson had done the same task in 1998 and knew the players - and that Wilson is correct when he says that they did not order/request that he be sent,

Although Fox Folks go on to say that it sounded pretty close to a request and that the staff report indicated that.

[Flubadubya]

15. Unfortunately, the overall effect...

of this interchange was to leave the typical, hapless viewer believing that the Joe Wilson story was "all washed up". It really left the impression that Wilson's story was all a lie and he had no credibility whatsoever. Really not good for our cause.

[papau]

17. True - Fox's Mort KonRack' on Brit Hume said truth but hid it in other

words to imply Wilson lied.

But why are we surprised?

NBC Today show today was evil in Katie's interview with Edwards - not letting him get full point across as she tried to air all of Rove's talking points - even a 20 second clip of Bush lying on 87 billion vote for Iraq had no time to explain that Bush was a liar in so many ways in that statement.

US Media is not on the Dem side.

[liveoaktx]

21. Here's the link to the correction

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45430-2004Jul12.html

A July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.

[trumad]

3. You're crying because of something you heard on CNN?

oooooooeeeeeevaaaaaaaaaaa!

[lottie244]

4. It ain't so. When liars accuse someone of lying....who do you believe?

This is the spin story to distract attention away from the shoe that is about to drop on the Wilson affair.

[GR]

5. Camber Is One Of The P*ssy Dems Who Appear On Talk Shows...

Peter Fenn is another one...they're "fools" in the vernacular of Arianna Huffington.

[Flubadubya]

13. Camber doesn't often agree with May, really.

Camber is not the most eloquent voice for the left, but he typically holds his ground fairly well against May and at times is actually forceful when he believes something strongly.

Today he just sort of went along, trying to spin Bush as the "bigger" liar. I really was surprised to see him take this tack. That's why it made me wonder what was really going on.

[Justice]

6. Hmm. Why would republicans come out today and say Wilson is

lying? If Fitzgerald is going to indict people, don't you think saying Wilson was lying will look pretty lame? I am missing something here, and am becoming concerned about what Fitzgerald will say.

[Ninga]

9. Please go to the Daily Howler.

Read it and weep.

www.dailyhowler.com

[stickdog]

26. Weep about what. THE CRIME IS TREASON.

No, Wilson can't prove a negative. No one can. How could anyone prove conclusively that Iraq did not want to buy uranium in all of Africa? (Furthermore, is it now OK to claim something just because nobody can prove it's not true?)

The crime is still treason, and whether or not Joe Wilson exaggerated his ability to prove a negative has no bearing on the crime.

[Ruffhowse]

7. Why should we believe Camber?

[rooboy]

8. Oh Please. Cliff May not only drinks kool aid, he knows the recipe. n/t

[NewYorkerfromMass]

11. LOL! But seriously: Wilson is working for Kerry

ergo he is a liar in some people's little tiny minds.

[spanone]

10. Cliff May can Kiss MY Ass. Pompous Prick that he is.

This is all about the shit coming down. This administration cannot defend itself so it attempts to destroy their enemies by lying about them.

[bushisanidiot]

12. They Outed Plame for a REASON. When the GOP get's caught

with it's pants down they point and say "liar" because they have NO way to defend their argument.

If Wilson was lying, the CIA and AWOL could have proven that he was lying, but instead, they chose to out Plame in retaliation.

[stickdog]

23. Exactly. If Wilson was a liar, why the cover up? Why the retribution? Why

not just say he was a liar from the start? Why take the hit?

[H2O Man]

16. That was strange....

The White House is saying that Wilson has said his wife played no role at all in his going to Niger. Judge for yourself: "Quite apart from the matter of her employment, the assertion that Valerie had played any substantive role in the decision to ask me to go to Niger is false on the face of it."

The Senate report released a note by Valerie that notes Joseph Wilson had significant contacts in Niger. It would be nice if it were put in context. Plame had been asked to pass a message to Wilson to see if he would be able to meet with CI to discuss a possible trip to Niger.

There is a significant difference between "no role" and "no substantive role."

[papau]

18. Exactly - and no one is calling the media on this.

:-(

Wilson's "no substantive role" is not a lie - but the media sets up a misquote "no role" and then calls him a liar

[stickdog]

24. Regardless, it's a red herring. Whether or not Plame helped him get the

job, the crime of treason is not mitigated in the slightest.

[stellanoir]

19. Awww. . .come on guys. . .

don't panic. Wilson is an absolute Ace and by baiting him with this crap I can't wait to hear Wilson's response. It'll invariably reignite the Plame Flame on the WH. Just focus on the indisputable fact that someone in the misadministration committed TREASON by outing her and * has had to seek legal representation.

B. Weiner's on the front page today referenced the Plame affair as the "silver bullet."

[stickdog]

20. 1) What did he lie about? 2) How in the hell do these supposed lies excuse

treason?

[Terran]

22. I saw this exchange too and was puzzled.

The main point seemed to be about whether Valerie Plame was the one who had chosen Joe Wilson to go to Niger to investigate the uranium story. I mean, even if that's true, why is it significiant? Cliff May made it sound like some huge lie was involved on Wilson's part, as in, why would the admin choose a "partisan hack" to do this task (uh, Cliff, isn't Joe a republican like you??).

Notably, nothing that was said had any impact on the primary issue of the administration's treason in outing Plame. The whole 'Niger lie" issue has assumed a fairly low value in the overall scheme of things, it seems to me. But flubdubya is right: to the uninformed, the exchange planted a seed of doubt about Wilson, even if it was BS. I too cannot imagine why Camber went along with it the way he did.

[MallRat]

25. NO! NO! NO! DON'T FALL FOR THIS NULLIFICATION BULLSHIT!

They're desperately trying to spin the "Joe Wilson is a liar" angle in an effort to mitigate the damage when the indictments hit. First the FT story about the source of the forged Niger documents, then this crap that because Plame (may have) named Wilson to investigate the Niger-Iraq connection, it was somehow "OK" to compromise national security.

DON'T FALL FOR IT!

Susan Schmidt did a hatchet job on Joseph Wilson in the Washington Post last week... it was so rife with errors, the editors had to issue a correction.

Read Josh Marshall's take on the whole thing...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003143.php

-MR

[LincolnMcGrath]

27. OxyRush was on spinning this RWTP

All Day Yesterday.


Wilson is a liar, and The Senate Report proved F911 was all lies.

[UTUSN]

28. Wingnut Talking Point: "WILSON Lied, Made It All Up"

After I sent TPM's material about Steno-Sue SCHMIDT's WP article, he sent me back Nat'l Review Online thing by this Cliff MAY, which ALSO relied on Steno Sue's article.

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