Democratic Underground in the Wall Street Journal

[diamond14]

this lead-in post went to the WSJ (verbatim)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1974581


Monday, July 12, 2004
9th article...called "Great Moments in Democracy"....written for the Wall Street Journal here on DU...
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005343

[bryant69]

1. Does anybody else have the wierdest sense of Deja Vu?

It's probably just me.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[prolesunited]

3. Yes, but the poster in question

has not been banned nor run out of DU on a rail yet. Thus, it must be necessary to try again.

One of the threads I started regarding the Iraq invasion was trashed in Andrew Sullivan's blog (what a weird claim to fame :P ). Should I be banned as a freeper infiltrator?

[diamond14]

5. doubt that YOUR thread started out by TRASHING Move-On,

trashing Democrats, trashing Kerry, and (lead in for the Wall Street Journal on their weekly theme) trashing the FRENCH....with the added sentence at the end suggesting that Kerry's campaign was running a voter registration operation in VIOLATION of Federal Law (for clarification: Kerry's campaign IS NOT and HAS NEVER run voter registration drives).....


further info on the FRENCH man is in the thread...where the REAL reason that the guy hung up is clarified....he was intimidated illegally by the caller, in violation of Florida Election Law, which is cited futher down EXACTLY what the law says....

so in summary, here's the technique:

1. use Voter Registration drive to derail Kerry campaign and Move-on (this is an OLD campaign trick, and works real effectively when you endanger the whole effort by using their ORGANIZATION to commit campaign felonies)....

2. post that on DU...and trash Kerry, trash Democrats, trash Move-On and trash the FRENCH (which is the give-away for the WSJ set-up)...

3. discourage all Kerry/Move-on volunteers from ever stepping up, by telling them what a failed and degrading effort that it is to volunteer....

4. step back from the damage, and CLAIMED "oh dear, how would I have known...I'm just an ignorant person, I know nothing"...be certain to KICK everyone, especially the messenger, and NEVER NEVER admit that your post was WRONG....even after the fodder appears in the WSJ for everyone to see...must keep up a rovian technique...change the subject, attack others credibility, pretend that you know nothing, shoot the messenger...the techniques are described in David Brock's book and were way too effective here, where DUers should recognize it right away, and dissociate IMMEDIATELY....

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. Since you've brought up this previously locked subject

what Federal Law was it suggested would be broken?

The Florida law that was quoted says:
"(8) A person providing voter registration services for a voter registration agency may not:

(a) Seek to influence an applicant's political preference or party registration;

(b) Display any political preference or party allegiance;"

but it defines a voter registration agency as:
"(36) "Voter registration agency" means any office that provides public assistance, any office that serves persons with disabilities, any center for independent living, or any public library."

So why is it illegal for the MoveOn PAC to identify itself as against Bush?

[diamond14]

7. You'll find the entire discussion about Voter Registation on this

WSJ-DU thread (link below)....IMO, you haven't yet followed up on your homework from that thread: CALL THE KERRY CAMPAIGN, before more is derailed...AND you are not quoting the discussion thread, rather picking pieces out of posts about voter registration laws in Virginia, California, Connecticut, Nevada, and FLORIDA...which were all covered in the discussion....the WSJ writer on DU actually was CALLING FLORIDA....

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here's the post that you refer to:

Argumentus (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-12-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #71

78. FLORIDA law:


Title IX, Chap. 98, Section 8(a)(b):

(8) A person providing voter registration services for a voter registration agency may not:

(a) Seek to influence an applicant's political preference or party registration;

(b) Display any political preference or party allegiance;

PACs can conduct voter registration drives, as long as when actually registering voters they remain non-partisan. Saying "I'm for Kerry" or "I want to beat Bush" is definitely displaying preference.


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this lead-in post went to the WSJ (verbatim)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Monday, July 12, 2004
9th article...called "Great Moments in Democracy"....written for the Wall Street Journal here on DU...
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005343

(the thread was locked at my request....IMO, especially the admitted intimidation of a Florida voter, the rumors spread about Florida workers paid to take time off for elections, and degrading comments about Kerry, Move-on, Democrats, volunteers, the FRENCH...and more warranted that action)....

[JHB]

2. Tonight on "It's the Mind..."

Tonight on "It's the Mind..."

Tonight on "It's the Mind..."

Tonight on "It's the Mind..."

Tonight on "It's the Mind..."

Tonight on "It's the Mind..."

:hurts:

[StClone]

4. "Left-wing hate site"call from Right-wing stupidity

Read this bit of stupidity from WSJ Opinion Page linked above:

The Pelican Brief

"Biologists Wonder, Where Are the Pelicans?" reads the ABCNews.com headline on an Associated Press dispatch. The repetitive subhead: "Where Are the Pelicans? Everybody Has a Theory, but No One Really Knows."

If these biologists would spend less time biologizing and more time surfing the Internet, they would know the answer. The pelicans are on the road in Arizona. "Some Pelicans Mistaking Asphalt for Lakes," according to an ABCNews.com headline that predated the biologist story by three days. The subhead: "Endangered Pelicans Mistaking Arizona Asphalt for Lakes, Creeks; More Than 30 Have Crashed."


Do these idiots know that the first species they refer to as disappearing from a major North American breeding site (possible impact on the species population) is the American White Pelican and the second were the Brown Pelicans mistakenly landing on the pavement? One has nothing to do with the other!

If this is the level of accuracy of their opinion on any subject then it is probably off on many other levels. Worth reading? You bet right after Batboy articles.

Oh and "biologizing" is not a word and if this is humor it is in the unfunny type of Rush humor.

[prolesunited]

8. OK, so what's your point?

You've made everyone aware. Clearly, the admins know about it. What do you want to happen now?

[diamond14]

9. seeking ways to stop the technique....

and would especially welcome YOUR suggestions....

this is the SECOND time that I've seen it here...and the SUCCESS of this technique feeding the WSJ will certainly guarantee that it will occur again soon.....

it's very IMPORTANT for DUers to understand VOTER REGISTRATION drives....this area is often used to derail campaigns...and there is a LOT that we can do to stop that, especially be GETTING THE TRUTH out on DU about VOTER REGISTRATION....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....let everyone know that the KERRY CAMPAIGN DOES NOT AND NEVER HAS RUN VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVES....

http://www.JohnKerry.com

[Moderator]

10. Locking

this is a continuation of a previous disagreement.